Many of these comparisons were hilarious, and some were disturbing like more words for Glee than the Beatles? But some comparisons weren't really that shocking since they were one mainstream pop culture thing compared to another equally mainstream pop cultured thing.
The reason The Shining has no pages for Nightmare Fuel is because Nightmare Fuel is supposed to be only for horror in things that aren't meant to be scary.
The problem here is that someone listed Pokémon under High Octane Nightmare Fuel, when it's clearly an E-rated game.
That's a bad one. Two and a half man is the ONLY TELEVISION SHOW THAT IS WATCHABLE right now. Of mice and men is an awesome book. Both of them are badass. Both Monty Python and Family guy are awesome.
Rape is love BIG TIME. It takes some special kind of balls to go ahead and rape a women. That's why badboy and rapists are super popular despite being in prison. The woman will always choose the rapist over the awkward nerd. That sucks but it is reality.
@AzureMagic I sure have. My mom set it up for me and controls it. One time a 500 lbs women tried to seduce me and my mom told me she was my special one. I bombarded her with gifts and I tried to apologize everytime I did not told her she was really sexy. I almost got killed when she sat on me at christmas.
And a 10 years old badboy stole her from me. That's why I hate them all. Man 10 years old rapist, what a world to live in.
Well, for some of those, i t's... a single work, or short series, compared to a *decades long series*, or something with a ton of medium. Not a fair comparison.
@blacktigerpaw1 For the record, the actual page for "Rape is love" is fairly adamant about rape not being love, and when a writer DOES use it, it's generally frowned upon. Of course with some of the people you see on this thing it's easy to assume it's being literal.
@niceboar Well, I wouldn't say things like The Lion King or Mass Effect are bad, but compared to some of the things that should have more words, yeah.
@Ashkihyena I wasn't even being serious but honestly, how do you expect an article on Citizen Kane, a single movie, to have more words than a series that's been running for almost a decade?
@niceboar Entire dissertations have been written on why Citizen Kane is one of the greatest movies of all time, the analysis ranges from cinematography, imagery, subtext etc.
All Tvtropes can do is say 'HURR DURR KANE IS A JERK WITH A HEART OF GOLD AMIRITE'. They're fucking retarded weeaboos with no knowledge of high art and culture.
@lmao2cats No one in their right mind would think TVtropes is for postgraduate dissertations. Or any serious analysis. It's simply not in the scope of the website, which is limited to simple lists of devices. If you want to criticize based on that, so be it, however it doesn't necessarily follow the users have no knowledge of high art and culture, although that very well may be the case.
I'd argue that Minecraft is good enough to actually deserve a higher word-count than Ico (it's basically the result of one guy being ricockulously dedicated to making video-game legoland and then making it into a survival horror), but the rest of them can just go fuck themselves. This is why no-one with half a brain goes anywhere near that site.
Wait i dont understand. This video is pointing out that is infested with information that is just popular and the fanboys want their crap to be seen by everyone or not?
Also i noticed that "Rape is that special kind of evil" has less words than the "Rape is Love" simply maybe for the sheer number of examples that the movies, literature and FAN FICTION keep doing over and over because they think they can pull it off. Unless some1 thinks different. Please enlighten me
When I was looking at "The Adventures of Tom Sawyer" on TV Tropes, I wondered why would a classic have such little description. The book was the trope namer of "Fence Painting", so it must have more tropes then that. Now I understand why :(.
Hmm, Yeah, Nostalgia Chick isn't really intellectual nirvana, but I don't really see what makes Mega64 any less frivolous, considering they are both entertainment on the internet.
I wont defend the really creepy and appalling shit that happens on TV Tropes but the Article on Useful Notes On Suicide does do a good job of being informative about suicide talking about seriously negative misconceptions media creates,how to spot potential suicides, and how to prevent it in a suprisingly deep and satisfying way,
The prevention page is shorter in comparison because it is just numbers.
However if I ever find out that Suicide as Comedy is longer they can go to hell.
@Rawksyousocks Well maybe the people just cant pull a successful way to prevent suicide and maybe by knowing that the page exist they can try to contribute with more experienced people in the field. Also if Suicide as Comedy happens to be longer then its the media that keeps doing it over and over in the same way that some asshole films womans masturbating in front of children and calls it "Its not Porn, its Art"
Agreed, they have no talent to be worth of that many tropes but when you try to compete with quality with a life time achievement, some asshole with more time in its hand will do more crap per minutes to entertain the lowest common denominator. Dont you agree Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg? (Steven was the producer of the Transformer movies so that means that he LET michael to give is crap to the world and receive fundings to do it so he is guilty too)
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
In defense of TVtropes: it puts the most documentation on media that is most relevant 2 our culture. Everything that could be said about overrated drivel written in archaic babbling like the works of Shakspeare and Mark Twain has been said.
There are too few who are wise enough to let the banal writings of insuferable know-it-alls from bygone eras be given no oportunity to waste their precious time and make way for new classics like Pokemon and Yugioh.
@tehloop Oh please, as if some crusty old guy spending half a book sitting around on boring ocean looking for a whale is a compelling plot (oooh, the big scary whale is white! How speshul, I'm soo scared).
What the hell is Wuthering Heights anyway? Is that some kind of western show that only takes place on some rotting farmhouse and the overarcing plot of the series is that some guy stole the protagonist's chickens and it takes him 100 episodes to decide to go after him?
@EponymousKid guess what, retard? thats not a top rated comment, thats a comment the puloader replied to, and I read it after posting, so shut the fuck up
I think these nothing in the fact than tv shows, videogames, fantasy books, animation or comics have lots of discussions, analysis and research about them. Lots of them are now cultural classics and are very influencial in their own medium or serve as cultural ambassadors. But i agree, it's odd to see that MegaMan or Harry Potter are saturated in tropes (even if they deserved it) when these is nothing about Shakespeare, K.Dick, Cobain, Mozart, Kurosawa, or Kubrick.
Well i guess since Digimon is a 51x20minutes series meant mainly for a young audience (who cries more easily i dare to say) when good guys die sometime and the Schindler's List a 195minutes long movie mainly for an adult and more emotionally challenged audience. I'm not diminishing the emotional power of this movie, it's indeed an powerful film about our sad recent History. But some technical parameters like these can explain why some articles have suprisingly more words than others.
Some of these comparisons are right-on, but others reveal that the maker of the vid likes some pretty low-brow media him/herself. Stephen King and Mega64 being compared favorably to the Nostalgia Critics says volumes about the creator's (poor) taste. Monty Python's Flying Circus? LOST? Fucking LOST? These are the positive examples that you don't think have gotten enough attention?
P.S. Schindler's List is overrated, exploitative oscar bait. It was produced by SPIELBERG, for christ's sake.
@dark7element We don't care about taste, here. King and Mega64 have made more works for a longer time than the Nostalgia Critic or the Nostalgia Chick.
King and Spielberg's influences are more powerful in our contemporary worldwide culture than some internet shows or toy selling cartoons. And if you can't make the difference between Lost and Pokémon in term of mysteries, hidden plot points and enigma between (the category was "Wild Mass Guessing"), you are not someone to be taken seriously.
There is another (minor) reason why people don't like to write about literature in TV Tropes: TV Trope's homebrew wiki software is downright abyssal and is not suited for literature. You can only put one quote per entry, and that quote has to be at the very end. So you cannot write a commentary, illustrate with a quotation from the book, then go on with further commentaries or more quotes. The best you can do is to put a bullet point AFTER your first entry and continue -- but that is ugly.
@fslpoon So a site based on analyzing media is terrible at covering the most important form of fictional media even in terms of the basic software design.
Okay, I take that back. I had only watched about half of it when I made that comment. The Shining having less High Octane Nightmare Fuel than Pokemon Mystery Dungeon?! (Kirby having more Nightmare Fuel is acceptable, seeing as how that's mostly for unintentionally scary things.) Lost having less wacko theories than Pokemon?! SCHINDLER'S LIST HAVING LESS SAD MOMENTS THAN DIGIMON?!?! OH FUCK THIS.
@RomZomCom I haven't seen it myself, but I would assume that a darkly humorous game about two teams of mercenaries could have a few unintentionally scary things.
That or some tropers are pussies and can't handle dark humor.
Its sad, but I suppose it's not quite as bad as wikigroaning, since many of the things that were being compared were "thing that happened in real life" and "fictional thing", the latter of which would get more tropes written about it on account of the fact that its easier to note a trope occurring in fiction than in reality, and the fact that some tropes are impossible to have occur in reality.
The Moby Dick, the Brother/Sister Incest and Everything's better with chickens entries really speak volumes of the interests and priorities of the average troper.
It's sad, the entries for actual intellectual literature on Youtube or either very short or nonexistent. If Fast Eddie wants his site taken seriously from an academical viewpoint, he needs to make sure that the site ends up being more than just a pop-culture jizz-fest.
I've never read Homestuck or MSPA or whatever but judging it purely by it's fans it's on a par with atomic weapons or ethnic cleansing in terms of being a world-shaking atrocity
@CrazyGoggs to be fair, despite what the front page says tropes are essentially cliches and there's far more negative ones then positive ones. On top of these most truly great works defy the trappings and expected plot lines, so their pages would be shorter. Especially something like Ico, as there's really not a ton to write about.
That explains why the fuck these people run around thinking they are fictional archetypes with magical powers and dumb catchphrases and will die fat and alone.
@machriderx Real Life isn't a trope, but it's considered a "work". You do know that things happen in reality, right? Bill Walton was frequently injured in his pro basketball career, thus an example of Game Breaking Injury, for instance.
@Audiohol4m33s Yeah. Inception is currently 8th on IMDB's top 250. The Dark Knight is #10. Both are apparently better than Goodfellas (15), Casablanca (17), and Rear Window (21).
And Toy Story 3 (33) is better than Apocalypse Now (36), Citizen Kane (37), and To Kill a Mockingbird (59).
@321cheeseman Fair enough. I didn't mean to imply that they aren't good.
However, Avatar is on the list, at number 169; this would mean it's better than Dog Day Afternoon (180), Gandhi (183), The Exorcist (204), and A Streetcar Named Desire (205)
Hey now, Mass Effect might actually deserve all that posting. It's no Iliad, but it is a huge series with a lot of plot... Still kind of sad to see all this, though.
But yeah, this is why Tv Tropes just confuses me at times. EVERYTHING is Nightmare Fuel, everything is a Tearjerker, and everything is a Crowning Moment of Awesome.
@YoungNastyParsee welcome to the bottom of human expression; things can only be described with hyperbole and tired, beaten to death phrasing on how Subject is the Subjectest Subject in the History of Ever. If you wish to contribute, please put on your Filking-hat and trenchcoat and write a 100-word essay on how a My Little Ponies episode was simultaneously incredibly frightening and arousing.
@WorldsFattestRobot Well there's that one where they have various transformations happening to them and that appeals to people on both sides of the oh God the cancer is inside me.
Regarding Nightmare Fuel: it's a trope for unintentionally scary stuff, not stuff that was meant to be scary in the first place. So it makes sense for The Shining to have no page.
Eh. This one wasn't as bad as the others. A lot of the words on these pages also come from people bitching about shit on the page, and people don't tend to bitch about the quality of timeless classics.
I wouldn't go as far to call that Power Rangers considering that Turboranger (Carranger was the one to get adapted to PRT) never had a Power Rangers adaptation.
And, actually, the Nightmare Fuel one for the Shining is correct. Nightmare Fuel is unintentionally horrific material. If anything, it's the trope that needs to be renamed. But the High Octane entry having less words than that for a freakin' Pokemon game is just sad. Crap like that is why I no longer use TVtropes if I can help it.
@EponymousKid Well, I like the IDEA of the Nightmare Fuel page, but I hate the execution. The name is misleading, many of the examples are overblown, and, finally, plenty of them miss the damn point completely. High Octane led me to some classic mindfuck movies like Eraserhead, so I wouldn't want to cut it out, either. If I ran tvTropes, I'd overhaul the damn things and make sure that all examples would require general consensus that they're creepy, instead of that of one paranoid preteen.
@inferno232 That actually sounds like a pretty good idea. Like, if there was a voting system or something. Okay, fair enough, it's not completely worthless.
@inferno232 The point of Nightmare Fuel is that it highlights things that children find disturbing that aren't meant to be disturbing in execution, and is fascinating from a psychological point of view. The problem is that it's policed very poorly, and would function better in a format like the new Fetish Fuel Wikia, since it really has nothing to do with one particular trope at this point. High Octane, on the other hand, definitely has some hyperbole going on.
I can almost excuse the Pokemon thing because that's a franchise that's still ongoing, has a TV show with hundreds of episodes and dozens of games to go off. There's simply a lot more content out there.
@EponymousKid true. i mean really this is a dumb bullshit episode but it really makes me wonder how people could go through all this nonsense about pokemon. i mean, i have a feeling it isn't just 13 year olds who really like pokemon that are contributing...or...?
@RomZomCom My problem is rather more equating the reach and influence of the Iliad over the last two and a half thousand years (it being a formative part of western culture and everything) to that of star wars novels and cheap anime but whatever rocks your boat I guess.
Anyway its good to know that Rom is the arbitrator of what people should and shouldn't care about so I'll take it as objectively true that Shakespeare is shit, Thanks!
Oh, wow, now you sperg out on me explaining about some novel your ass read in college (if you've placed yourself through college) about how they're somehow a better person for reading an epic that no one still cares about.
I know that every fandom has it's bad side, but honestly, the Homestuck fandom is nowhere near the level of batshit that people make it out to be.
I mean, Sonic fandom has Chris Chan for starters. The worst I've seen from Homestuck fans is pretty much just a lot of porn, and you get that with every fandom. /pointless response
This only seems frivolous unless you see the implications: people have collectively spent tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of man-hours writing and rewriting articles about children's cartoons, shitty movies, video games, and sexual perversions.
That time could have been spent working to make a contribution to society, volunteering to help the less fortunate, actually learning the skills for making a good movie or game, or even just striving not to be terrible human beings.
The Iliad is really boring though.
Fanusunay 2 days ago
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Fanusunay 2 days ago
Hey; the Lion King is a pretty cool movie. :p
FedoringAndChristian 6 days ago
Fucking uncultured cocksucking aspies.
CaliforniaTD 1 week ago
What is the song in the video called?
sonichufan91 1 week ago
Homestuck: 7446+
I have never been more ashamed to be a Homestuck fan . . .
Icerama108 3 weeks ago
@Icerama108 I think Homestuck is brilliant. The fans are what annoy me.
ShirConnery 1 week ago
@ShirConnery The fans that post over 7446 words on a half baked media review site.
Icerama108 1 week ago
@Icerama108 Exactly. The comic itself is clever, engaging, and showcases some excellent storytelling.
ShirConnery 1 week ago
13k words for nostalgia chick? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
boitahaki 3 weeks ago
Many of these comparisons were hilarious, and some were disturbing like more words for Glee than the Beatles? But some comparisons weren't really that shocking since they were one mainstream pop culture thing compared to another equally mainstream pop cultured thing.
TheRandomm4 3 weeks ago
Mario 64 music? Damn, son. You must be turning into a troper.
DrButler 3 weeks ago
The reason The Shining has no pages for Nightmare Fuel is because Nightmare Fuel is supposed to be only for horror in things that aren't meant to be scary.
The problem here is that someone listed Pokémon under High Octane Nightmare Fuel, when it's clearly an E-rated game.
FireJigglypuff2310 3 weeks ago
Also Minecraft is awesome fuck you
AzureMagic 4 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
>Monty Python page has less words. auuuuggggggghhhhhhhtttt
AzureMagic 4 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
That's a bad one. Two and a half man is the ONLY TELEVISION SHOW THAT IS WATCHABLE right now. Of mice and men is an awesome book. Both of them are badass. Both Monty Python and Family guy are awesome.
Rape is love BIG TIME. It takes some special kind of balls to go ahead and rape a women. That's why badboy and rapists are super popular despite being in prison. The woman will always choose the rapist over the awkward nerd. That sucks but it is reality.
BluBoulzor 1 month ago
@BluBoulzor Woman here: I'D RUN AWAY FROM A RAPIST AND RUN INTO THE ARMS OF THE AKWARD NERD. Do you have an account on NiceGuy.com?
AzureMagic 4 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@AzureMagic I sure have. My mom set it up for me and controls it. One time a 500 lbs women tried to seduce me and my mom told me she was my special one. I bombarded her with gifts and I tried to apologize everytime I did not told her she was really sexy. I almost got killed when she sat on me at christmas.
And a 10 years old badboy stole her from me. That's why I hate them all. Man 10 years old rapist, what a world to live in.
I'm totally serious by the way.
BluBoulzor 4 weeks ago
well to be fair ICO is complete shit
cowabungasheeit 1 month ago
@cowabungasheeit Now you're just trying to hurt me.
deafinmyrighteye 1 month ago
Well, for some of those, i t's... a single work, or short series, compared to a *decades long series*, or something with a ton of medium. Not a fair comparison.
esrz22 1 month ago
Let's be fair with most of these. The majority of the "frivolous" articles have a ton more media than those those they are being compared to.
Pokemon, for example, has over fifty games compared to the Godfather's three movies. That's not even scratching the surface of the anime.
OblivionEssence 2 months ago 2
@HipsterFilmsForever This is of interest to me.
Jacob41C 2 months ago
1:13
"Fan Boy=Don't worry, it's not always this bad."
Hmmmmm.....
JScizor 2 months ago
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
StrangePretence 2 months ago
Rape is Love...please get me a nuke so I can kill these motherfuckers who think rape is love.
blacktigerpaw1 3 months ago 8
@blacktigerpaw1 For the record, the actual page for "Rape is love" is fairly adamant about rape not being love, and when a writer DOES use it, it's generally frowned upon. Of course with some of the people you see on this thing it's easy to assume it's being literal.
dxmagma 2 months ago
@dxmagma True.
blacktigerpaw1 2 months ago
@blacktigerpaw1 Actually I think the Rape is Love page has a note where this DOES NOT HAPPEN IN RL.
AzureMagic 4 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@AzureMagic Lol, I know, but still: rape is a serious subject.
blacktigerpaw1 4 weeks ago
It's a fact bad things are easier to write about. Also ASS PIES.
niceboar 3 months ago
@niceboar Well, I wouldn't say things like The Lion King or Mass Effect are bad, but compared to some of the things that should have more words, yeah.
Ashkihyena 3 months ago
@Ashkihyena I wasn't even being serious but honestly, how do you expect an article on Citizen Kane, a single movie, to have more words than a series that's been running for almost a decade?
>This one is mostly for fun.
sums it up
niceboar 3 months ago 2
@niceboar Entire dissertations have been written on why Citizen Kane is one of the greatest movies of all time, the analysis ranges from cinematography, imagery, subtext etc.
All Tvtropes can do is say 'HURR DURR KANE IS A JERK WITH A HEART OF GOLD AMIRITE'. They're fucking retarded weeaboos with no knowledge of high art and culture.
lmao2cats 2 months ago
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niceboar 2 months ago
@lmao2cats No one in their right mind would think TVtropes is for postgraduate dissertations. Or any serious analysis. It's simply not in the scope of the website, which is limited to simple lists of devices. If you want to criticize based on that, so be it, however it doesn't necessarily follow the users have no knowledge of high art and culture, although that very well may be the case.
niceboar 2 months ago
I'd argue that Minecraft is good enough to actually deserve a higher word-count than Ico (it's basically the result of one guy being ricockulously dedicated to making video-game legoland and then making it into a survival horror), but the rest of them can just go fuck themselves. This is why no-one with half a brain goes anywhere near that site.
HypaSonicDeathMonkey 3 months ago
0:46 INTERNET SOLDIERZ REJOICE
TheMrManginelli 4 months ago
Wait i dont understand. This video is pointing out that is infested with information that is just popular and the fanboys want their crap to be seen by everyone or not?
Also i noticed that "Rape is that special kind of evil" has less words than the "Rape is Love" simply maybe for the sheer number of examples that the movies, literature and FAN FICTION keep doing over and over because they think they can pull it off. Unless some1 thinks different. Please enlighten me
EmperorOfLols 5 months ago
It's not how many words you use, it's the quality of words used.
Granted, TV tropes can't properly attempt either, but still.
jayngfet0 5 months ago
How can LOST have less wild mass guessing than... anything?
TheEranster 5 months ago 4
When I was looking at "The Adventures of Tom Sawyer" on TV Tropes, I wondered why would a classic have such little description. The book was the trope namer of "Fence Painting", so it must have more tropes then that. Now I understand why :(.
TVfan296 6 months ago
Hmm, Yeah, Nostalgia Chick isn't really intellectual nirvana, but I don't really see what makes Mega64 any less frivolous, considering they are both entertainment on the internet.
ExtrematronYT 6 months ago
I wont defend the really creepy and appalling shit that happens on TV Tropes but the Article on Useful Notes On Suicide does do a good job of being informative about suicide talking about seriously negative misconceptions media creates,how to spot potential suicides, and how to prevent it in a suprisingly deep and satisfying way,
The prevention page is shorter in comparison because it is just numbers.
However if I ever find out that Suicide as Comedy is longer they can go to hell.
Rawksyousocks 6 months ago 3
@Rawksyousocks Well maybe the people just cant pull a successful way to prevent suicide and maybe by knowing that the page exist they can try to contribute with more experienced people in the field. Also if Suicide as Comedy happens to be longer then its the media that keeps doing it over and over in the same way that some asshole films womans masturbating in front of children and calls it "Its not Porn, its Art"
EmperorOfLols 4 months ago
That guy with the glasses does not need THAT fucking many pages.
TheHawkdaddy 6 months ago 19
Agreed, they have no talent to be worth of that many tropes but when you try to compete with quality with a life time achievement, some asshole with more time in its hand will do more crap per minutes to entertain the lowest common denominator. Dont you agree Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg? (Steven was the producer of the Transformer movies so that means that he LET michael to give is crap to the world and receive fundings to do it so he is guilty too)
EmperorOfLols 4 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
In defense of TVtropes: it puts the most documentation on media that is most relevant 2 our culture. Everything that could be said about overrated drivel written in archaic babbling like the works of Shakspeare and Mark Twain has been said.
There are too few who are wise enough to let the banal writings of insuferable know-it-alls from bygone eras be given no oportunity to waste their precious time and make way for new classics like Pokemon and Yugioh.
The "classics" are dead, good riddance.
EvilCommunistMuslim5 6 months ago
@EvilCommunistMuslim5
nothing says classic like imaginary animal cruelty, card games, and the power of friendship huh you illiterate fuckface?
tehloop 6 months ago
@tehloop Oh please, as if some crusty old guy spending half a book sitting around on boring ocean looking for a whale is a compelling plot (oooh, the big scary whale is white! How speshul, I'm soo scared).
What the hell is Wuthering Heights anyway? Is that some kind of western show that only takes place on some rotting farmhouse and the overarcing plot of the series is that some guy stole the protagonist's chickens and it takes him 100 episodes to decide to go after him?
EvilCommunistMuslim5 6 months ago
@EvilCommunistMuslim5
funny, you just decribed pokemon and yu-gi-oh exactly, you brain-damaged manchild.
tehloop 6 months ago
@tehloop "TROLLING" MOTHERFUCKERS, CAN YOU SPOT IT!?
Corrector1 4 months ago
0 words for The Shining Nightmare Fuel?
FUCK YOU TVTROPES
boitahaki 7 months ago
@boitahaki Nightmare Fuel is currently called Accidental Nightmare Fuel, and that's what it's always been about.
Yeah, fuck TV Tropes for not talking about all the accidental scares in the wholesome family movie the Shining.
EponymousKid 7 months ago
@EponymousKid nice failed sarcasm there, kid, but I am not a troper faggot like yourself
boitahaki 7 months ago
@boitahaki You don't need to be a troper to understand the difference when the top rated comment is replying to a comment explaining it, genius.
EponymousKid 7 months ago
@EponymousKid guess what, retard? thats not a top rated comment, thats a comment the puloader replied to, and I read it after posting, so shut the fuck up
boitahaki 7 months ago
someone on the SomethingAwful forums went through and counted the words on all of the different Homestuck pages. You put 7446+ words
try 230,000
OurBenefactors 7 months ago 2
The wild mass guessing page for pokemon is that long? I thought the only wmg theory surrounding pokemon was the Ash coma theory.
pwninator345 7 months ago
name of the song?
Merovan 7 months ago
As a Mass Effect fanboy, even I'm fucking ashamed of the word difference between the articles on the Illiad and Mass Effect.
discopete117 7 months ago
Humans Are Good: 1075 words.
Humans Are Bastards: 23822 words.
The Troper Tales for the second one would have been hilarious to read.
MachinaeSupremacist 7 months ago 3
I think these nothing in the fact than tv shows, videogames, fantasy books, animation or comics have lots of discussions, analysis and research about them. Lots of them are now cultural classics and are very influencial in their own medium or serve as cultural ambassadors. But i agree, it's odd to see that MegaMan or Harry Potter are saturated in tropes (even if they deserved it) when these is nothing about Shakespeare, K.Dick, Cobain, Mozart, Kurosawa, or Kubrick.
ErmiteModerne 7 months ago
Well i guess since Digimon is a 51x20minutes series meant mainly for a young audience (who cries more easily i dare to say) when good guys die sometime and the Schindler's List a 195minutes long movie mainly for an adult and more emotionally challenged audience. I'm not diminishing the emotional power of this movie, it's indeed an powerful film about our sad recent History. But some technical parameters like these can explain why some articles have suprisingly more words than others.
ErmiteModerne 7 months ago
Eh. People are gonna write about what they like.
JohnMooreification 7 months ago
@romzomcom
Way to prove Goggs' point without realizing it, you stupid, shallow waste of sperm
moneymandate 8 months ago
@moneymandate cry more faggot
RomZomCom 7 months ago
By the way, there is one troper that thinks that Shakespeare's work is shit compared to Animorphs.
I wish I were kidding
moneymandate 8 months ago
Some of these comparisons are right-on, but others reveal that the maker of the vid likes some pretty low-brow media him/herself. Stephen King and Mega64 being compared favorably to the Nostalgia Critics says volumes about the creator's (poor) taste. Monty Python's Flying Circus? LOST? Fucking LOST? These are the positive examples that you don't think have gotten enough attention?
P.S. Schindler's List is overrated, exploitative oscar bait. It was produced by SPIELBERG, for christ's sake.
dark7element 8 months ago
@dark7element *bong hits*
CrackaStoleMyBoat 8 months ago
@dark7element We don't care about taste, here. King and Mega64 have made more works for a longer time than the Nostalgia Critic or the Nostalgia Chick.
King and Spielberg's influences are more powerful in our contemporary worldwide culture than some internet shows or toy selling cartoons. And if you can't make the difference between Lost and Pokémon in term of mysteries, hidden plot points and enigma between (the category was "Wild Mass Guessing"), you are not someone to be taken seriously.
ErmiteModerne 7 months ago
Okay, that was... wow.
frittatensemmel 8 months ago
There is another (minor) reason why people don't like to write about literature in TV Tropes: TV Trope's homebrew wiki software is downright abyssal and is not suited for literature. You can only put one quote per entry, and that quote has to be at the very end. So you cannot write a commentary, illustrate with a quotation from the book, then go on with further commentaries or more quotes. The best you can do is to put a bullet point AFTER your first entry and continue -- but that is ugly.
fslpoon 8 months ago
@fslpoon Well, the wiki isn't an essay, though.
EponymousKid 8 months ago
@fslpoon So a site based on analyzing media is terrible at covering the most important form of fictional media even in terms of the basic software design.
TrueEvilBob 8 months ago
@TrueEvilBob It's not based on analyzing media, it's based on codifying and categorizing it. Meaningful analysis is left to the experts.
EponymousKid 8 months ago
Okay, I take that back. I had only watched about half of it when I made that comment. The Shining having less High Octane Nightmare Fuel than Pokemon Mystery Dungeon?! (Kirby having more Nightmare Fuel is acceptable, seeing as how that's mostly for unintentionally scary things.) Lost having less wacko theories than Pokemon?! SCHINDLER'S LIST HAVING LESS SAD MOMENTS THAN DIGIMON?!?! OH FUCK THIS.
DaionusThe23rd 8 months ago in playlist this troper
@DaionusThe23rd
The Team Fortress 2 Nightmare Fuel page is sad.
RomZomCom 8 months ago
@RomZomCom I haven't seen it myself, but I would assume that a darkly humorous game about two teams of mercenaries could have a few unintentionally scary things.
That or some tropers are pussies and can't handle dark humor.
DaionusThe23rd 8 months ago
@DaionusThe23rd No, it's dumb shit like "AUSTRALIUM IS SCARY" or "Saxton Hale's abs make me wet the bed :<"
RomZomCom 8 months ago
Its sad, but I suppose it's not quite as bad as wikigroaning, since many of the things that were being compared were "thing that happened in real life" and "fictional thing", the latter of which would get more tropes written about it on account of the fact that its easier to note a trope occurring in fiction than in reality, and the fact that some tropes are impossible to have occur in reality.
DaionusThe23rd 8 months ago in playlist this troper
You know, if you assholes are really that butthurt about classic literature works having fewer examples, then ADD THEM YOURSELF.
It's a wiki, it's not hard.
IYellalot 8 months ago
Hey, this series, and this video specifically, are briefly mentioned on the ED.ch page on TV Tropes now. Uhh...Congratulations?
Protectorett 8 months ago
I'm actually glad Kesha has a higher word count than Kurt Cobain. It means people are actually moving on from his whiny drivel.
mistaTHIRTEEN 9 months ago
My heart broke in two when I saw Glee had more words than The Beatles page.
momoandmiz 9 months ago 15
@momoandmiz mine and yours,buddy. Mine and Yours...
Rawksyousocks 3 months ago
This video is a REAL punch to the gut. But one we all needed.
Rawksyousocks 3 months ago 2
at least real life is on the 'trope saturated' list
drkraid 9 months ago
The Moby Dick, the Brother/Sister Incest and Everything's better with chickens entries really speak volumes of the interests and priorities of the average troper.
nikel1989 9 months ago
... to all tropers: STOP CARING ABOUT USELESS SHIT.
koook160 9 months ago 8
@koook160 then who could we laugh at and spank with moon rocks
superhack211 9 months ago
It's sad, the entries for actual intellectual literature on Youtube or either very short or nonexistent. If Fast Eddie wants his site taken seriously from an academical viewpoint, he needs to make sure that the site ends up being more than just a pop-culture jizz-fest.
inferno232 9 months ago
@inferno232
I don't think any admins wants TV Tropes to be taken seriously from an academic viewpoint.
fslpoon 9 months ago
@fslpoon Correct. As flawed as TV Tropes is, as long as I've been there it's never tried to advertise itself as a serious site.
Not to say some people there don't treat it as such, but still.
Corrector1 4 months ago
I've never read Homestuck or MSPA or whatever but judging it purely by it's fans it's on a par with atomic weapons or ethnic cleansing in terms of being a world-shaking atrocity
OurBenefactors 9 months ago
haha oh wow youtube really fucked up for me on this
CrazyGoggs 10 months ago
@CrazyGoggs to be fair, despite what the front page says tropes are essentially cliches and there's far more negative ones then positive ones. On top of these most truly great works defy the trappings and expected plot lines, so their pages would be shorter. Especially something like Ico, as there's really not a ton to write about.
dxmagma 5 months ago
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IYellalot 10 months ago
1:15 got me.
YEAH THE HOLOCAUST WAS BAD BUT WHAT ABOUT WHEN THAT DIGIMON DIED
irondomokun 10 months ago 27
How can Real Life be a trope?
That explains why the fuck these people run around thinking they are fictional archetypes with magical powers and dumb catchphrases and will die fat and alone.
machriderx 10 months ago
Actually, they think of it as "trope saturated" which makes it even more sad.
machriderx 10 months ago
@machriderx Real Life isn't a trope, but it's considered a "work". You do know that things happen in reality, right? Bill Walton was frequently injured in his pro basketball career, thus an example of Game Breaking Injury, for instance.
EponymousKid 10 months ago
More fun:
Boku No Pico vs. Shiloh
All the pages of Dynasty Warriors vs. Romance of the Three Kingdoms
ShinyMarshtomp 10 months ago 7
At least James Bond is trope saturated, that series must be like, the antithesis of the stereotypical troper.
mannimarco3 10 months ago
why'd you compare ico and minecraft aside from them both being shitty games?
RhyoSickVidz 10 months ago
This reaaaaally gives you an impression of their priorities
Writtenjustice 10 months ago
I can think of one word why this is. Autism. That is all.
officialunofficial 10 months ago
Fuck! I was hoping to get through the video without rape or incest coming up. Obviously, this is expecting too much from tropers.
Yurochka85 10 months ago
Fuck, this one just makes me mad.
Rahheemme 10 months ago
This isn't even exclusive to TV Tropes. This is just a small sampling of what people in today's society considers to be relevant.
The classics are dead. And we have killed them.
Audiohol4m33s 10 months ago
@Audiohol4m33s Yeah. Inception is currently 8th on IMDB's top 250. The Dark Knight is #10. Both are apparently better than Goodfellas (15), Casablanca (17), and Rear Window (21).
And Toy Story 3 (33) is better than Apocalypse Now (36), Citizen Kane (37), and To Kill a Mockingbird (59).
EponymousKid 10 months ago 3
@EponymousKid
But The Dark Knight, Inception, and Toy Story 3 are all great movies. Obviously overrated, but still definitely deserving of recognition.
Now, if Transformers 2 or Avatar were way at the top, then we'd have a REAL problem.
321cheeseman 10 months ago
@321cheeseman Fair enough. I didn't mean to imply that they aren't good.
However, Avatar is on the list, at number 169; this would mean it's better than Dog Day Afternoon (180), Gandhi (183), The Exorcist (204), and A Streetcar Named Desire (205)
EponymousKid 10 months ago 5
Hey now, Mass Effect might actually deserve all that posting. It's no Iliad, but it is a huge series with a lot of plot... Still kind of sad to see all this, though.
SpecterM91 10 months ago
the rape tropes comparison really hammered it home how much overlap there is between the troper and Love-shy populations
HINT IT'S CLOSE TO 100%
Sigerick 10 months ago 4
@Sigerick What is a "Love-shy population"?
Yurochka85 10 months ago
@Yurochka85
"Love-shy population" = self-proclaimed "asexual"
fslpoon 10 months ago
The glee bit was honestly funny.
But yeah, this is why Tv Tropes just confuses me at times. EVERYTHING is Nightmare Fuel, everything is a Tearjerker, and everything is a Crowning Moment of Awesome.
YoungNastyParsee 10 months ago 2
@YoungNastyParsee welcome to the bottom of human expression; things can only be described with hyperbole and tired, beaten to death phrasing on how Subject is the Subjectest Subject in the History of Ever. If you wish to contribute, please put on your Filking-hat and trenchcoat and write a 100-word essay on how a My Little Ponies episode was simultaneously incredibly frightening and arousing.
WorldsFattestRobot 10 months ago 2
@WorldsFattestRobot Well there's that one where they have various transformations happening to them and that appeals to people on both sides of the oh God the cancer is inside me.
Delcat42 10 months ago
Regarding Nightmare Fuel: it's a trope for unintentionally scary stuff, not stuff that was meant to be scary in the first place. So it makes sense for The Shining to have no page.
zlpq51 10 months ago
@zlpq51 god i don't understand these names they make no sense god hlp djklcdskjldfsdfh
CrazyGoggs 10 months ago 17
@CrazyGoggs If it's any consolation, it recently got renamed to Accidental Nightmare Fuel to make the meaning more apparent.
EponymousKid 9 months ago
@CrazyGoggs
It's okay. That happens when they suck you into the void.
zlpq51 9 months ago
@CrazyGoggs It's been renamed Accidental Nightmare Fuel.
SevipersOnaPlane 6 months ago
@zlpq51 Why not just call it "Unintentionally Scary" or something? (I'm asking you like your some TvTropes deity)
Icerama108 5 months ago
Eh. This one wasn't as bad as the others. A lot of the words on these pages also come from people bitching about shit on the page, and people don't tend to bitch about the quality of timeless classics.
YamiAura 10 months ago 4
I wouldn't go as far to call that Power Rangers considering that Turboranger (Carranger was the one to get adapted to PRT) never had a Power Rangers adaptation.
anti4kids2000 10 months ago
Ico is not mainstream. Remember, it's still a video game. Comparing it to Minecraft doesn't seem to flow with the general pace of the video.
speyeker 10 months ago
@speyeker Same with Mega64...ah, why bother.
speyeker 10 months ago
This is something I've always subtly noticed myself, but never called attention to it. I'm glad you did.
speyeker 10 months ago
And, actually, the Nightmare Fuel one for the Shining is correct. Nightmare Fuel is unintentionally horrific material. If anything, it's the trope that needs to be renamed. But the High Octane entry having less words than that for a freakin' Pokemon game is just sad. Crap like that is why I no longer use TVtropes if I can help it.
inferno232 10 months ago
@inferno232 Especially when you consider that High Octane Nightmare Fuel is actually supposed to be about intentional horror.
I'm really hoping those pages go the way of Fetish Fuel, and soon. They add nothing to the site besides the image of tropers as cowardly babies.
EponymousKid 10 months ago
@EponymousKid Well, I like the IDEA of the Nightmare Fuel page, but I hate the execution. The name is misleading, many of the examples are overblown, and, finally, plenty of them miss the damn point completely. High Octane led me to some classic mindfuck movies like Eraserhead, so I wouldn't want to cut it out, either. If I ran tvTropes, I'd overhaul the damn things and make sure that all examples would require general consensus that they're creepy, instead of that of one paranoid preteen.
inferno232 10 months ago
@inferno232 That actually sounds like a pretty good idea. Like, if there was a voting system or something. Okay, fair enough, it's not completely worthless.
EponymousKid 10 months ago
@inferno232 The point of Nightmare Fuel is that it highlights things that children find disturbing that aren't meant to be disturbing in execution, and is fascinating from a psychological point of view. The problem is that it's policed very poorly, and would function better in a format like the new Fetish Fuel Wikia, since it really has nothing to do with one particular trope at this point. High Octane, on the other hand, definitely has some hyperbole going on.
Delcat42 10 months ago 4
The "To Kill A Mockingbird" bit is what pisses me off. That and "The Shining". Dammit, people.
inferno232 10 months ago
I can almost excuse the Pokemon thing because that's a franchise that's still ongoing, has a TV show with hundreds of episodes and dozens of games to go off. There's simply a lot more content out there.
...Christ, that Glee thing pisses me off, though.
EponymousKid 10 months ago
@EponymousKid just because it's there doesn't mean it has to be analyzed.
CrazyGoggs 10 months ago
@CrazyGoggs Hey, I said "almost."
EponymousKid 10 months ago
@EponymousKid true. i mean really this is a dumb bullshit episode but it really makes me wonder how people could go through all this nonsense about pokemon. i mean, i have a feeling it isn't just 13 year olds who really like pokemon that are contributing...or...?
CrazyGoggs 10 months ago
@CrazyGoggs Nah, this episode's alright, don't stress.
EponymousKid 10 months ago
To be fair, MSPA is a lot better than shit like Wuthering Hights.
VarDolzeberg 10 months ago
@VarDolzeberg to be fair, i actually could get through wuthering heights
CrazyGoggs 10 months ago 12
@CrazyGoggs
Okay, so you torture yourself with stupid nerd sperg pages AND stupid literature no one cares about. Are you happy with being a masochist?
RomZomCom 10 months ago
@RomZomCom okay now i liked that book because i learned never to double cross gypsies. it's a very valuable lesson
CrazyGoggs 10 months ago 5
@RomZomCom Every page on TV Tropes is a nerd circlejerk.
Also, "stupid literature no one cares about." You sir, are the reason this exists. You are scum.
noonneimportant 9 months ago
@noonneimportant
Did you just figure the "nerd circlejerk" part out?
I didn't like Wurthing Heights. Go back to raping Shakespeare, I'll be in the corner raping Nabokov okay
RomZomCom 8 months ago
@RomZomCom The Iliad and the Odyssey, Huckleberry Finn, hamlet: "stupid literature nobody cares about"
Pokemon, Sonic, Halo: Touchstones of society, to be honored with vast amounts of Bullshit all over the web.
...
Fuck you internet
malleableconcrete 9 months ago 17
@malleableconcrete
Hamlet sucks and no one cares about the Iliad. Go read Pynchon, you fark.
RomZomCom 8 months ago
@RomZomCom
"No one cares about the Iliad"
wow.
malleableconcrete 8 months ago
@malleableconcrete
>namedrop some old ass epic you've never read to try and elevator yourself above dumb no lifers
>hope it makes you look smarter than stupid tropers featured
explainthisbullshit.jpg
RomZomCom 8 months ago
@RomZomCom My problem is rather more equating the reach and influence of the Iliad over the last two and a half thousand years (it being a formative part of western culture and everything) to that of star wars novels and cheap anime but whatever rocks your boat I guess.
Anyway its good to know that Rom is the arbitrator of what people should and shouldn't care about so I'll take it as objectively true that Shakespeare is shit, Thanks!
malleableconcrete 8 months ago
@malleableconcrete
Oh, wow, now you sperg out on me explaining about some novel your ass read in college (if you've placed yourself through college) about how they're somehow a better person for reading an epic that no one still cares about.
I smell a butthurt troper.
RomZomCom 8 months ago
@RomZomCom Projecting hard and making up strawmen but okay thanks bye
malleableconcrete 8 months ago
@malleableconcrete
stop ruining my obscure epic, you're making it so mainstream
RomZomCom 8 months ago
@RomZomCom okay
malleableconcrete 8 months ago
@RomZomCom
"stupid literature no one cares about"
Die
Skinnyoompalumpa 8 months ago 2
@Skinnyoompalumpa
no
RomZomCom 8 months ago
The Homestuck page is the fucking black hole of TV Tropes.
I like Homestuck, but the fanbase gives the Sonic fanbase a run for it's money.
TextheBored 10 months ago 25
@TextheBored Same here.
inferno232 10 months ago
@TextheBored
I know that every fandom has it's bad side, but honestly, the Homestuck fandom is nowhere near the level of batshit that people make it out to be.
I mean, Sonic fandom has Chris Chan for starters. The worst I've seen from Homestuck fans is pretty much just a lot of porn, and you get that with every fandom. /pointless response
TrustabilityLost 7 months ago
This only seems frivolous unless you see the implications: people have collectively spent tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of man-hours writing and rewriting articles about children's cartoons, shitty movies, video games, and sexual perversions.
That time could have been spent working to make a contribution to society, volunteering to help the less fortunate, actually learning the skills for making a good movie or game, or even just striving not to be terrible human beings.
Lanyardish 10 months ago 11
@Lanyardish >Implying society would benefit from tropers getting involved in it.
...
Greentext doesn't work on youtube. That makes me sad.
Protectorett 10 months ago
Did I just read "Rape is Love"? What?
DayBreakization 10 months ago 2
This video implies Mass Effect is frivolous.
mannimarco3 10 months ago
Eh.
EbolaZidane 10 months ago
Oh well, first bad episode had to happen sometime I guess. Obviously new and current media will be more talked about than ancient ones.
jj655321 10 months ago