@Fuze107 That is only you connect. Chances are you might hit his elbows or front of his head. In this case, you just broke your hand and the other guy is perfectly fresh.
Its great, i use the same motorcycle analogy with my young students as well! .Great work guys.
Coach Mark- aztigermma Isn't it funny how people either get the concept of shielding (if they train) or not, and some schools still teach "traditional blocks" as the primary defense.
@VivaConrodo He said Haymakers... those are thrown to the head when the fighter is desperate (at a professional level, that is-- but haymakers are more common in street fights and amateur level fights) what a haymaker basically is is the guy swinging his arm fiercly (thats why the trajectory can be predicted)
@Svittidiu Its not hissing. Their breathing. No matter what style martial art you take, or even if you take MMA, they teach you to breath out when punch so your not tense.
@MetalheadRyan22 Yes I know they're exhaling, but that happens only when you do hard physical excersises. They don't have to do it when they're making light demonstrations like this. They sound incredibly stupid.
@Svittidiu I know what your saying. And I'm not arguing with you. I'm speaking from experience. I took isshynru Karate, I know MMA, taijustsu and brazillian Jujutsu, every style teaches you to exhale like that even in light demonstrations. Because if you don't, you tense and the accuracy, and power won't be as efficiant. If you breath while hitting or kicking, it lightens up muscles, so your not tight.
@Svittidiu Ahaha .. coming from the guy who commented i quote " But i always tought(?!) that you should keep your mouth closed to help you concentrate?" ... Probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard. GTFO
Lots of successful fighters seem to throw haymakers, it makes no sense... Well not many, Fedor is the main one though... His opponents should have watched this video.
i like fake right haymaker just to make contact to open him up and when he goes to block the right left hook right upercut left jab try it out tell me how it works :)
Unless the K1 guy is packing heat. I'm pretty sure 6 thugs with knives are obsolete to a .357 hollow point. But personally, I always carry a good knife too incase you need something with a quicker draw, since sometimes it takes a while to clear leather on someone.
if u wanna learn self defense, learn to sucker punch. 95 percent of a street fight is who starts first, if sum1 pushed ya dont push em bk n w8 for them to hit u. kick them in the balls, then straight right.
u cant say go and become good at mma as a way of self defense its pointless. it takes ages to become good at mma. learn a straight right, n get ur pychology ryt
...Or quit being a douche and pay attention so when the other guy goes for a sucker punch you can move or guard up, and simultaneously knock the shit out of him. But I guess some people are dipshits and aren't smart enough to learn as quickly as the rest of us. *shrug*
learn as quickly as u. get of ur own dick u keyboard warrior. u stick to thinking ur anderson silva. u dont kno nethign about me so stop trying to throw lame insults. uve problly never been in a fight n cant even throw a straight right u mug. y w8 till sum1 hits u first to move it and counter. its either a fight or its nt and as soon as u kno that theyre goign to attack u put and end to it and hit first. knee in the balls. its that simple.y over complicate it. ill test myself in the ring.
And you know two things about me: jack and shit. Which is exactly the same as what you know about fighting, as well as the english language. You know, jonny, I used to type shortcuts like "w8" and "sum1" but then I decided I didn't want a job mixing concrete. But tell me, how is someone supposed to defend themselves when you're the one getting sucker punched? If 95 percent of it is who starts first, then what about the guy who's just minding his own business?
well exactly we dont kno nething about each other and yet u say im stupid n lame insults. i kno more about fighting than u im sure. im a thai boxer and have had enough street fights. and i type shortcuts because im nt typing an essay, its exactly that short. thats the point is u dont need to really learn all these defenses. if ur minding ur own business ur nt gna get sucker punched are u. sum1 will push u or come up to u aggressively, barge into u etc. n then u knee em in the balls
...and I'm pretty sure the rest of us don't want to go to jail for assault and battery for throwing the first punch, that of course depending on how many people are around to witness it. but then again, i could care less.
then again pre emptive striking is legal. and if sum1 starts on u and u kick em in the balls and put them down ur on the right side of the law. im saying 95 percent of a street fight comes down to the first shot, u cant try and learn boxing or mma etc as part of self defense its nt practical, (to learn for just that reason obv it v effective) the only self defense things ive seen i completlly agree with are bas ruttens and bob sporr
@nickdorsey86 i dunno i heard by diff cops if someone comes at you in an agressive manner you don't have to wait until they try to hit you, you can strike them in a sefl defense act.
@jonny232323232323 yea ur def right with street fights u might as well throw the first punch not just square up lol... krav maga looks pretty good im gonna check it out. But yea be the guy who throws the first blow
dont waste your time bro...krav is unrealistic...you cannot truly account for all movement of a combatant unless he is on the ground...its freking impossible...
@layups I completely 100% agree with you. Technique is only one part of making a great fighter. However, a street fight is not MMA. MMA involves martial arts and athletic ability, street fights involve self defense and common sense. It's possible to survive an onslaught against Silva, Lesnar, Emelianenko, and Liddel at the same time if you are smart, quick, and truely ready to fight for your life with whatever means necessary.
@layups big country beats ppl more athletic then him. I agree conditioning and having good endurance is important but sometimes its not the only defining factor
@Radbandy I would argue that big country is a much better athlete than his appearance portrays. Roy Nelson is stronger, quicker, and has better cardio than many of his opponents along with his fighting skills.
@layups here here-in my kickboxing class-all the athletic/fit people with only 2-3 months experience can spar with senior grades and in some cases,beat them-speed and strength>technique imfao
@martjalartistvannabe -Track and field is a sport of events involving running, jumping, and throwing. It is about who has finished faster, jumped higher, thrown farther.
I meant that people should run away from a street fight. Fight for money or go to a gym if you are a badass.
BJ Penn, Lyoto Machida, Shogun rua, Fabricio Werdum, Fedor, etc don't get in street fights.
Doctor Ruth says, "violence is an expression of sexual frustration".
@layups Without meaning to be rude thats pretty obvious!The same also goes for athleticism aswell though,you can be the most gifted athlete around but if you have zero technique its going to catch up with you!Anyway a good example of someone who isnt a great 'Athlete' but yet very gifted in his field is Damien Maia.He isnt a great athlete but his knowledge of the technical details of Bjj are outstanding and have led to him being one of the BJJ practioners in the world!
@layups Well its not easy to tell what your definition of an elite athlete is?Personally my definition of a great athlete would be Anderson Silva who is very fast,very flexible and has great coordination.When Anderson fought demian the gulf in speed,etc was embarrasing!I wouldnt say Maia is particularily a great athlete he's just a guy who has studied the technique for years and has mastered it!For instance in boxing my definition of great athletes would be guys like Roy jones jr in his prime.
@BoxingBadBoy77 - Athletes are defined as 'those who partcipate in [physical] contests'.
Greatness is a concept of a state of superiority affecting a person wen 1 has a clear and perceivable advantage
Balance, coordination, speed, reflexes, strength, and stamina are aspects of athleticism
Maia is a great athlete despite his speed deficit against Silva. Not every great athlete is fast. Maia didn't even learn BJJ until he was 19. Plenty of people master BJJ but they don't have Maias physical tools
@koflan -Thanks, there are a lot of people that are just angry at themselves and the anonymity of the internet doesn't help with their social interactions.
It's easy to spout hate but hard to be constructive.
Topics like fighting brings everyone into the fold, from ignorant to the enlightened.
@layups Yes athleticism is important as well, but technique is most important. Example: A small man can move a large object further using wheels than a large man can just pushing it. Good technique can stop a fight before athleticisum becomes an issue, and plenty of elderly men have defeated much younger, more athletic opponents based on fighting skill.
@MayhemEA - I think you are confusing the terms "equipment" and "technique". Using wheels versus pushing is not a technical difference, it is an equipment difference.
@layups Perhaps I gave a poor example, but my other point was correct. Technique is what makes the largest difference in warriors, as I have seen a man defeat an opponent that had 150 pounds on him in groundfighting, where strength and size is perhaps at its most important. I do agree with you on the point that athleticism is very important in combat.
@layups Call me a pussy or girl or whatever. But if someone on the street is trying to kill me by choking me pulling out a knife, anybody can kick someone to the groin any one can gouge someone in the eye or punch someone in the throat. After these techniques are performed anybody is able to take down or throw anybody. So no you don't need to be athletic to fight. The most important trait one should have is courage and confidence. Remember "self-defense" is different from the octagon.
@layups seriously, when is the last time you saw a 200lbs+ fighter run the track or do a javelin throw. Or have you ever seen a 150 pound RUNNER get into a fight and win? didn't think so.
@MasonBaer - GOOGLE things before you write comments.
200 lb javelin thrower? Are you stupid or just ignorant? 200 lbs is small for an elite javelin thrower. Andreas Thorkildsen -6ft 3 -205lbs (recorded seasons best in 2006, 2008,2009), Tero Pitkämäki (2005 season best) 195 cm / 92 kg, Breaux Greer-6ft-3in, 230lbs (2007 seasons best).
I NEVER said that a RUNNER could get into a FIGHT and WIN.
@layups fighting is a physical skill that requires BOTH technique and athleticism. Therefore you can not win a fight purely on of athleticism
No matter how big and strong you are if you do not know how to use a technique (even something as simple as a punch) you are a useless in fight. There has to be a technique to utilize all that athleticism.
And from my experience skill beats power. Just look at all of the older UFCs. More Specifically Royce Gracie Vs. Kimo Leopoldo. It's on Youtube
@layups But if pure speed and power beat pure skill then a guy could just run really fast at his opponent and win. The reason that doesn't work is because running is not a fighting skill. No matter how fast and powerfully he runs if it is not channeled into a technique it is useless.
@beargrylls3 -My comments are referring to literally running away from street fights and the fact that many keyboard warriors neglect the athletic requirements that go into fighting.
"But if pure speed and power beat pure skill then a guy could just run really fast at his opponent and win."
I never stated that power and speed alone beat skill.
A person can run really fast and not lose is my point.
@layups well if your point is that speed and power allow you to get away then i agree. but I was responding to your original post that said "the opponent can beat you purely on athleticism" And at the end of your post you say speed kills. So what is your argument? That speed and power beat skill? or that speed and power allow you to run away?
"Athleticism" has characteristics such as flexibility, strength, endurance, energy, and explosive coordination.
Technique is only part of what one needs to be successful in athletics.
There are countless great technicians in athletics such as basketball, football, tennis, swimming, mma, etc that can't compete at a high level because of a lack of physical ability.
Armbars and kicks can be taught; speed and size cannot be taught.
@layups Hughes used superior grappling skills to defeat Gracie. Ironically the armbar he used was a Gracie technique . Edgar was indeed faster but his striking skills were clearly better. and he used his wrestling skill to avoid BJ's superior ground skills.
The punch that knocked Randy down leading to the end of the fight was not exceptionally fast or powerful, Randy just didn't avoid it. Avoiding punches is another skill that is more muscle memory and technique than athleticism.
@beargrylls3 - " Ironically the armbar he used was a Gracie technique."
The armlock from side mount that Matt Hughes attempted to submit Gracie with was not a 'Gracie technique'. Judo, jiu-jitsu, wrestling, and catch wrestling all illustrate the same move and have for many years.
"Gracie jiu jitsu" has a specific instruction format and the progressions of students.
Hughes was a disciple of Jeremy Horn, who has no BJJ black belt, and Horn was a disciple of a professional wrestler.
@layups When i said it was a Gracie technique i meant it is part of the system. Good point though. But i think you are missing my point here. I'm not saying jujitsu is the best skill or art, my point is that you can not win a fight based purely on athletic ability. Hughes used a fighting technique, not a track and field technique, or a power clean, or a sprint.
@beargrylls3 -Gracie used plenty of fighting techniques as well during his fight with Hughes but he was overpowered, old, and probably got tired.
Hughes used wrestling, weight cutting to his advantage, cardio, strength, endurance, energy, , and explosive coordination to pound out Gracie and get his TKO victory.
Hughes vs Renzo Gracie? Renzo had no chance against the better athlete.
@layups Okay so your argument has changed again. so you are saying that weight cutting, "energy", and wrestling helped him win? So size power and wrestling skill? You're point is not coherent. you went from "Pure athleticism wins fights" to "Speed and power wins fights" to "speed and power allow you to get away" to this now. And saying that his wrestling allowed him to win is in agreement with my argument. Wrestling is a skill.
@beargrylls3 -Is "Skill" the reason why Hughes beat Ricardo Almeida and Jeremy Horn at Abu Dhabi Combat Club competitions but yet lost to Jeff Monson and Tito Ortiz?
Are Monson and Tito more skilled than Hughes?
Go PLAY some sports and watch who the most successful athletes are; Maybe you'll learn something.
@layups I'm pretty sure Almeida is a great athlete. Hughes caught Almeda with a left hook then submitted him with an arm-in-guillotine. That is not endurance or power, that is timing and skill. And what are you suggesting? Tito, Hughes and Monson have spent their whole lives working on their skills. When they work power and endurance it is supplementary. If it wasn't than Olympic lifters and strongman competitors would all be MMA champions. In reality all MMA champions grew up training skills.
@beargrylls3 - A person can be 5% more effective in finishing an arm bar if they improve their grip strength and lactic acid clearance ability is my argument.
I was suggesting that Hughes could not beat Tito and Monson in ADCC grappling because their techniques are somewhat equal but their physiques are not.
Hughes dominated Almeida during ADCC and he won using the same front headlock DaveSchultz used in 84 olympics.
@layups If you had ever done an arm bar correctly you would know your hips hold the arm in place not your grip. Your grip just pulls the lower arm towards your chest, if it is set up correctly it should not take a lot of strength. If you hold the arm bar so long that your lactic acid clearance is a factor without breaking it, you are doing it wrong. And saying he used the front headlock Dave Schultz used is supporting my argument. It's a technique!
@layups I have been playing sports for 13 years. Only recently got into MMA. In my first week of training i went against a kid who was half a foot shorter than me and 50 pounds lighter. I could bench, squat, power clean twice as much as this kid and jump 10 inches higher. Did not help at all. He out grappled and out pointed me in striking. he used his understanding of position and his skills to beat me every time. Go fight somebody who has more skills than you; Maybe you'll learn something.
I've gotten my ass kicked plenty of times by guys smaller and "weaker" than me.
Im not trying to make a "blank" vs skill argument.
People should RUN AWAY from STREET FIGHTS and technique isn't everything in sports
I bet the guy who was shorter than you was also a better athlete than you. He was probably faster, more coordinated, endurance, flexibility,experience,etc.
Bench, squat, and power clean numbers have little to do with functional athletics; the vertical jump # is somewhat relative
@layups You are making a blank vs. skill statement in your first comment which you keep deviating from instead of acknowledging you are changing it. He's not faster than me, he's not more flexible than me, he was more coordinated than me in particular movements. He developed that coordination by training skills. And he never outworked me, he would beat me before endurance was a factor. Endurance, although important, is just insurance for a string of failed techniques that leave you tired.
@layups Bench and squat are very important to athletic ability. If you disagree you can take it up with the strength and conditioning coaches of Frankie Edger, Brock Lesnar, GSP, and Anderson Silva. And the power clean is probably more important. Explosive opening and closing of the hip is what makes you jump high, run fast, kick hard, and take people down. That is why Olympic athletes have some of the best high jump and sprint stats out of all athletes.
"Olympic athletes have some of the best high jump and sprint stats."
They're not powerlifters. Bench and squat deliver almost no indication of sporting ability
" All strength changes that "are supposed to influence" strength, power, and speed should be attained prior to the development of the movement patterns associated with that capacity in a sport. It should be realized that if strength training is performed at the wrong time in the annual training program it will not benefit performance."
@layups Okay, so you admit that power cleans are important. And you whoever the your quote is from is supporting my argument that strength is important to some extent. I can also get references saying that the squat is important to athletic ability in addition to all these on the bench press. I'm enjoying this argument =D, you are really making me think.
@beargrylls3 " I could bench, squat, power clean twice as much as this kid and jump 10 inches higher."
Could you please find me an article or even a reference by ANY mma/athletic trainer that implies that the standard bench press would have any positive impact on MMA performance? Who is Anderson Silva's strength and conditioning coach? Thanks
@layups "Squats, deadlifts, bench presses, power cleans; the basics, combined with some sprinting and some stretching. It may not be glamorous, but it makes you stronger and faster." This quote is from Martin Rooney, MMA strength and conditioning coach who has trained Franky Edgar. The internet article containing the quote is called “11 Myths of Warrior Training” should be the first link if you type that into Google.
@layups If you search for “TFW Body weight Challenge Champion Frankie Edgar” on youtube, you will find a video of Martin Rooney showing an athletic test with Franky Edgar. He uses the standard bench press as a strength standard.
@layups GSP’s Strength and conditioning coach, Jonathan Chaimberg, has GSP and other top UFC fighters do dumbbell bench presses. He even recommends them in his internet article “Training Athletes and the General Population” You can see GSP doing them on the youtube video “Jonathan Chaimber Training Session with GSP, Loiseau and Kang” What is interesting about this is that GSP Loiseau and Kang all have the same trainer and similar athletic abilities, but only GSP has been really successful.
@layups Anderson Silva’s strength and conditioning coach is Rogerio Camoes. In the Youtube video “UFC – All Access: Anderson Silva Part 1” You can see him having Silva doing smith machine bench presses.
@layups Hughes used his skill to make sure he was in a better position the whole fight. Positioning skills help win fights. Hughes used this strategic fact to his advantage. And if you ever have somebody teach you the guard passes he did or how he flattened him out at the end you will find they do not require speed and power if done correctly, like Hughes did them. The take downs he used do require a certain amount of power but not any more than a healthy male is capable of, if done correctly.
@beargrylls3 -All of the technique in the world will not make you flexible like BJ Penn, or fast as Anderson Silva, strong like Brock, etc.
Fighting requires a good athletic base, otherwise the opponent can just beat you on characteristics of athleticism (endurance, energy, explosive coordination, speed, power, etc).
Everyone who fights knows armbars and how to punch. You can't teach speed, size, coordination.
@layups Still misunderstanding my argument and the last statement is irrelevant. Arm bars and punches are only two techniques that deal with very specific situations in a fight. A fighter has to have a full understanding of what options he has in different positions relative to his opponent. And there are so many different ways to throw a punch or do an arm bar. And it takes skill to do them effectively. Go try an arm bar. You will find it is not easy and your vertical jump doesn't help at all.
@layups sure you need to be athletic but skill is alot more of the battle, i've seen tons of athletic ppl loose fights cuz they didnt know shit, the moves make a fight, the conditioning will keep it going.
@layups speed is alright, but what happens when your fast as lightning, but still manage to get stuck in a situation where you gotta fight, your speed alone probably won't do shit unless you can match the other person for skill, and then for conditioning, its all 3 factors that come into play, and you say speed doesn't require skill, anything does, even a fast runner can trip if they suck at running, or you can punch as fast as you want 100 times, with no skill it won't hurt or even hit, fail.
@yellowmon123 - Look up Renzo, Cesar, Rolles, etc Gracie's records and see how many times those black belts in jiu jitsu lose to a person with less than impressive grappling credentials.
Just because one fighter has a "black belt in jiu jitsu" does not mean they will "murk" their opponent.
It is impossible to make absolute statements about who beats who. Fighting is not rock, paper, scissors.
Athletic ability, energy level, and conditioning enhance one's skill set.
Yes and all of those men you mentioned became the way they are by training. If you stretch everyday, and train jiu-jitsu as long as BJ Penn, you will become as flexible as him. If you train Muay Thai as long as Anderson Silva, you will become as fast as him. If you take steroids and hit the gym as often as Brock you will also become as strong as him.
Also this video gives a novice at MMA at good fundament base at defending a knockout punch.
@19link93 -This is a great drill for working with the mitts; it is questionable whether this drill is great for 'defense'.
"If you stretch everyday, and train jiu-jitsu as long as BJ Penn, you will become as flexible as him."
At 17 BJ learned bjj from Tom Callos, in 1997 BJ started bjj training with Ralph Gracie, 2000 Penn was awarded his blackbelt by Andre Pederneiras and weeks later was the first non-Brazilian to win the blackbelt division.
@19link93 " If you train Muay Thai as long as Anderson Silva, you will become as fast as him."
That is physiologically impossible. No amount of training or supplements will change my slow twitch muscle percentage to equal that of Silva, plus everyone's body structure is unique.
I can learn the same techniques of Silva and I could be 'technically' superior to him in theory, but Anderson would still maintain his tendon amount, fast/slow twitch muscle ratio, physical advantage, etc.
Who are these two "experts"? When I search their names and "EM3" all I find is their Internet videos. No school info, no competition or MMA results for these two. These videos should be taken down before they hurt someone.
this is how you counter a hook not a haymaker....For one people who use haymakers use them in flurries so you arent even building an advantage in fact you will be dropping your guard as the second punch is comming
To counter a haymaker the easiest and most effective is to step in (covered of course) and clinch. Anderson silva abuses this all the time
That is a sport fight. There is NO danger in that. There's money involved. Not a life of death situation. You can not compare MMA to a real street fight. You CAN NOT use haymakers in flurries. How can you? They are large wind-up and launch strikes that take up a lot of power before they are launched.
your not traning to miss your training to hit any target this improves your accarcy but head gear it that bad of an idea the only thing is that nobodys not going to want you puching them in the head repeatedly
true, i hadnt though of that aspect. nonetheless, the fewer things you have to think about (where your targeting) the more instantanious your response. In saying that, different circumstances call for different responses :\ double edged blade i surpose. just something i thought id point out from experiance.
street fighting is alot different to ring fighting. i dont think alot of u actually get that. basic striking techniques count for alot more when u could be defending against 2 or 3 opponents. having trained for about 12 years now i can say pretty solidly that the only problem with this drill is that ur training to miss. to be really effective, give ur partner headgear and strike the head, not the hands.
Who said kick him in the chest then take him down with a grappling tech? That is the most unsafe, non smart advise I ever heard (well not the most but it IS up here). If its a street fight, you NEVER NEVER NEVER go to the ground. Concrete is unforgiving and the attacker may have a weapon or friends. For that matter kick him in the legs. It makes it harder for them to attack if the can not walk properly. If he's throwing a shit load of punches, how are you going to get off a kick to the chest?
uh...if they have friends you dont fight period.....thats a given...if its one on one then you can (if you need to) fight..in which going to the ground is a great way to put people out of their element. Hence why the military teaches grappling as a focus for striking.
The teach LEO's those for the purpose of getting a restraint and then handcuffing. Are you handcuffing? And the MIL for the same purpose and there's usually more than 1. It's not a street fight...once again. You are comparing LEO/MIL and then MMA with a violent street fight. And the title for the video is HOW TO COUNTER A STANDING HAYMAKER...NOT HOOK
Its irrespective of if its title...I'm saying this is not a reasonable counter to a haymaker. Even in MMA fights blows are thrown in combos (thats one of the first rules to striking...dont throw "lazy" punches...ie one punch) that haymaker is not going to be open for 3 strikes, If you block you dont set yourself up for an effective counter...you have to either dodge or deflect a blow in order to have time to effectively counter.
I agree this is no way to counter a haymaker. If you move in and not block, its a better defense. If you block you will continue to block until a mistake is made or someone gets tired. Its true an effective counter or strike is easily accessible.
whell I would say that the best way to defend when the oponent is bringing masive numbers of punches at you is a kick in the chest,and then quickly bring him down with a grapling technique
Probably, best thing to do is block and punch at the same time into the torso of the opponent. This does not give time for the opp. to attack you but yet YOU to counter and take him out. We learned to block and punch at the same time to at least shock him to set up for a counter.
If done right it works. Quinton Jackson uses it all the time. It's part of the Crazy monkey defense system. Traditional boxing and movement does not all translate well into streetfighting. Even professional boxers look and fight different in the street. In a world of 'blitzs' and sucker punches 'defaults' and defensive 'shileds' work better than parries, slips, and fancy footwork.
Every technique has a counter and leaves openings.
Ugh... Not a good defensive maneuver unless you have vast amounts of energy to burn through. If they fake you, your whole side is open to attack. Keep your arms close to you when not attacking, and keep your fists tight. When they hook, twist your body, raise the defending arm slightly, and step back. This will allow time for a counter attack while they are stepping in.
elbow is up too high baby, what if he notices that and feint high and go for a hook to the body?
098firechicken 2 weeks ago in playlist Defense - Sucker Punch
dude you suck! I would knock you the fuck out!
jgella065 1 month ago
Without gloves in a street fight those punches he is throwing will break his own hands...
reisset182 1 month ago
@reisset182 You know what else it would break...? Probably the other guys face.
Fuze107 2 weeks ago
@Fuze107 That is only you connect. Chances are you might hit his elbows or front of his head. In this case, you just broke your hand and the other guy is perfectly fresh.
reisset182 2 weeks ago
@reisset182 But thats why you change where youre throwing the punch to.
Fuze107 2 weeks ago
@Fuze107 I prefer palm strike or hammer fist: More damage to the opponent and less to yourself.
reisset182 2 weeks ago
do you even lift?
lukasWZ 2 months ago
Its great, i use the same motorcycle analogy with my young students as well! .Great work guys.
Coach Mark- aztigermma Isn't it funny how people either get the concept of shielding (if they train) or not, and some schools still teach "traditional blocks" as the primary defense.
AZTigerMMA 4 months ago
funny sounds
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oraczz 9 months ago
Being a large black British man and shouting CROSS COUNTER is completely optional.
EstanBulLoFre 9 months ago
@EstanBulLoFre
lol dudley wtf
TheGlowingKnight 6 months ago
@VivaConrodo well u block and do the same thing duuuuuuuuuuu
welcomextoxhell 11 months ago
you have got real fast hands how do u train ur speed
seank323 11 months ago
yay. Now i can try and haymaker the kid that thinks that he is all big and tough because he dropped me in a spa'r
xTvSxLaZer 11 months ago
what if he pulls a gun and shoots u in the face?
SteadyMOBBIN509 1 year ago
@SteadyMOBBIN509
I guess you would probably be dead. What if the Earth was chocolate?
LamentOfInnocence1 1 year ago
@LamentOfInnocence1 Cacao farming would take on a completely different form.
(i like the sarcasm in your comment btw)
scratch799 11 months ago
@SteadyMOBBIN509 then you won't be picking up chicks ever again
mlc2181 1 year ago
@SteadyMOBBIN509 well then i guess we would all run home and go on youtube and look up disarming vids.
guythatmadethisvideo 9 months ago
@VivaConrodo He said Haymakers... those are thrown to the head when the fighter is desperate (at a professional level, that is-- but haymakers are more common in street fights and amateur level fights) what a haymaker basically is is the guy swinging his arm fiercly (thats why the trajectory can be predicted)
tforeignguy 1 year ago
Stop that hissing, you only embarrass yourselves.
Svittidiu 1 year ago
@Svittidiu Its not hissing. Their breathing. No matter what style martial art you take, or even if you take MMA, they teach you to breath out when punch so your not tense.
MetalheadRyan22 1 year ago
@MetalheadRyan22 Yes I know they're exhaling, but that happens only when you do hard physical excersises. They don't have to do it when they're making light demonstrations like this. They sound incredibly stupid.
Svittidiu 1 year ago
@Svittidiu I know what your saying. And I'm not arguing with you. I'm speaking from experience. I took isshynru Karate, I know MMA, taijustsu and brazillian Jujutsu, every style teaches you to exhale like that even in light demonstrations. Because if you don't, you tense and the accuracy, and power won't be as efficiant. If you breath while hitting or kicking, it lightens up muscles, so your not tight.
MetalheadRyan22 1 year ago
@MetalheadRyan22 But I always tought that you should keep your mouth closed to help you concentrate?
Svittidiu 1 year ago
@Svittidiu Their mouth isn't like fully open. Just slightely to exhale.
MetalheadRyan22 1 year ago
@Svittidiu You keep it closed so you dont get your jaw snapped off your face
norsw 1 year ago
@norsw No shit, einstein.
Svittidiu 1 year ago
@Svittidiu Ahaha .. coming from the guy who commented i quote " But i always tought(?!) that you should keep your mouth closed to help you concentrate?" ... Probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard. GTFO
norsw 1 year ago
@Svittidiu
You can exhale at punching or taking blows irregardless of strength it's a good reflex to have,
IrreduciblePar4dox 1 year ago
And, what you're doing is a riposte, not a counter.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
If you change level and go to the body you don't have to take that punch on the arm at all.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
Lots of successful fighters seem to throw haymakers, it makes no sense... Well not many, Fedor is the main one though... His opponents should have watched this video.
SpyWhoLovedHimself 1 year ago
1:26 He might throw the left nuts...
usrocket 1 year ago
but... sure ok but like... if this were more than just a schoolyard scuffle...
Why would you expose your underarms and side? Isn't that part of your body something to defend closely...
Ididnotdothismyself 1 year ago
You cant see shit bcuz of captions
ImFizzzzY 1 year ago
I there are more than one attacker better don't bring this to the ground stay on your feet and finish it on your feet.
Dimy761 1 year ago
dude must have some balls if he can tee bag people in mma 1:27
TVprovider1206 1 year ago
WATCH OUT! HE'S GONNA THROW HIS LEFT NUTS!
martjalartistvannabe 1 year ago
I'm not sure if the shh shh shh shh or the punches are the better one to piss off someone
captainchris12 1 year ago
wow that dude hits hard for a skinny guy? any tips for how to increase punching power?
xx4door 1 year ago
@xx4door lol i need the same tips i bought a pair of mma gloves for punching bags and im gonna start training
iampimpn93 1 year ago
for gods sake can you guys stop saying shh?!?! it's so fucking irritating!
masterml10 1 year ago
@masterml10 lol
phipps121 1 year ago
@masterml10 shhh!
AirborneRCR 1 year ago
where's the 360 defense?
Pgkaralis 1 year ago
1 27 did he say left nuts or next?
Katana99301 2 years ago 11
@Katana99301 Ahahahahahahahaha! he said neeeaaattss
Scrazy0wnz 1 year ago
thumbs up if u take MMA :)
RIDIC241 1 year ago
Very good! I´m from Rio de janeiro ,Brasil!
fusquinha71 2 years ago
stupid degree commercial. I'm never buying your cheap product.
stillonparolee 2 years ago
i like fake right haymaker just to make contact to open him up and when he goes to block the right left hook right upercut left jab try it out tell me how it works :)
guttaman515 2 years ago
lol some unco cunt through a haymaker at me at school today and i duck and right hooked him.
bungeye09 2 years ago
Where can i learn this kind of stuff? Like what category of fighting places would this be?
obbma4ler22 2 years ago
mixed martial arts
TheRealExow2 2 years ago 5
highly recommand paul vunak's fighting system. u can search him up on youtube.
zxcvbnmbsbs 2 years ago
its not about u shorty..
DpLogan 2 years ago
try katsugo kickboxing
morogoyo 2 years ago
i thought this was a good video until half way through i noticed it was from "expert" village
sjerseyb856 2 years ago
Your stance is asking for ya head to be knocked off. Stick ya head out a bit more....
SudoJudo1 2 years ago
pro mma fighters and pro boxers
and k1 fighters
would destroy 99% of the people on this earth
theyd only lose a street fight if its against like several gang members, or if their are bats and several people and knives involved
reppin49dank 2 years ago
Unless the K1 guy is packing heat. I'm pretty sure 6 thugs with knives are obsolete to a .357 hollow point. But personally, I always carry a good knife too incase you need something with a quicker draw, since sometimes it takes a while to clear leather on someone.
nickdorsey86 2 years ago
if u wanna learn self defense, learn to sucker punch. 95 percent of a street fight is who starts first, if sum1 pushed ya dont push em bk n w8 for them to hit u. kick them in the balls, then straight right.
u cant say go and become good at mma as a way of self defense its pointless. it takes ages to become good at mma. learn a straight right, n get ur pychology ryt
jonny232323232323 2 years ago
your a srtaight up faggot hahaha.
Sendo1209 2 years ago
nope u are
jonny232323232323 2 years ago
...Or quit being a douche and pay attention so when the other guy goes for a sucker punch you can move or guard up, and simultaneously knock the shit out of him. But I guess some people are dipshits and aren't smart enough to learn as quickly as the rest of us. *shrug*
nickdorsey86 2 years ago
learn as quickly as u. get of ur own dick u keyboard warrior. u stick to thinking ur anderson silva. u dont kno nethign about me so stop trying to throw lame insults. uve problly never been in a fight n cant even throw a straight right u mug. y w8 till sum1 hits u first to move it and counter. its either a fight or its nt and as soon as u kno that theyre goign to attack u put and end to it and hit first. knee in the balls. its that simple.y over complicate it. ill test myself in the ring.
jonny232323232323 2 years ago 3
And you know two things about me: jack and shit. Which is exactly the same as what you know about fighting, as well as the english language. You know, jonny, I used to type shortcuts like "w8" and "sum1" but then I decided I didn't want a job mixing concrete. But tell me, how is someone supposed to defend themselves when you're the one getting sucker punched? If 95 percent of it is who starts first, then what about the guy who's just minding his own business?
nickdorsey86 2 years ago
well exactly we dont kno nething about each other and yet u say im stupid n lame insults. i kno more about fighting than u im sure. im a thai boxer and have had enough street fights. and i type shortcuts because im nt typing an essay, its exactly that short. thats the point is u dont need to really learn all these defenses. if ur minding ur own business ur nt gna get sucker punched are u. sum1 will push u or come up to u aggressively, barge into u etc. n then u knee em in the balls
jonny232323232323 2 years ago
...and I'm pretty sure the rest of us don't want to go to jail for assault and battery for throwing the first punch, that of course depending on how many people are around to witness it. but then again, i could care less.
nickdorsey86 2 years ago
then again pre emptive striking is legal. and if sum1 starts on u and u kick em in the balls and put them down ur on the right side of the law. im saying 95 percent of a street fight comes down to the first shot, u cant try and learn boxing or mma etc as part of self defense its nt practical, (to learn for just that reason obv it v effective) the only self defense things ive seen i completlly agree with are bas ruttens and bob sporr
jonny232323232323 2 years ago
@nickdorsey86 i dunno i heard by diff cops if someone comes at you in an agressive manner you don't have to wait until they try to hit you, you can strike them in a sefl defense act.
SteelCity1981 2 years ago
@jonny232323232323 yea ur def right with street fights u might as well throw the first punch not just square up lol... krav maga looks pretty good im gonna check it out. But yea be the guy who throws the first blow
timstramadal 2 years ago
dont waste your time bro...krav is unrealistic...you cannot truly account for all movement of a combatant unless he is on the ground...its freking impossible...
ezrahill09 2 years ago
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turbulente007 2 years ago
Track and field is the most useful technique in a street fight.
People should realize there is a lot more to MMA/fighting than just technique.
All of the technique in the world will not make you flexible like BJ Penn, or fast as Anderson Silva, strong like Brock, etc.
Fighting requires a good athletic base, otherwise the opponent can just beat you purely on athleticism.
layups 2 years ago 13
@layups I completely 100% agree with you. Technique is only one part of making a great fighter. However, a street fight is not MMA. MMA involves martial arts and athletic ability, street fights involve self defense and common sense. It's possible to survive an onslaught against Silva, Lesnar, Emelianenko, and Liddel at the same time if you are smart, quick, and truely ready to fight for your life with whatever means necessary.
newsearching 1 year ago
@layups LOL!
MrPolskaDuma 1 year ago
@layups big country beats ppl more athletic then him. I agree conditioning and having good endurance is important but sometimes its not the only defining factor
Radbandy 1 year ago
@Radbandy I would argue that big country is a much better athlete than his appearance portrays. Roy Nelson is stronger, quicker, and has better cardio than many of his opponents along with his fighting skills.
layups 1 year ago
@layups here here-in my kickboxing class-all the athletic/fit people with only 2-3 months experience can spar with senior grades and in some cases,beat them-speed and strength>technique imfao
ronki23 1 year ago
@layups true, what is track and field?
martjalartistvannabe 1 year ago
@martjalartistvannabe -Track and field is a sport of events involving running, jumping, and throwing. It is about who has finished faster, jumped higher, thrown farther.
I meant that people should run away from a street fight. Fight for money or go to a gym if you are a badass.
BJ Penn, Lyoto Machida, Shogun rua, Fabricio Werdum, Fedor, etc don't get in street fights.
Doctor Ruth says, "violence is an expression of sexual frustration".
layups 1 year ago
@layups yeah, that is the best way to get out of fights (or surviving zombie invasions)
a good way to cure violence is by even more violence, beat a guy up good, and he will never pick fights with random people again.
martjalartistvannabe 1 year ago
@layups Without meaning to be rude thats pretty obvious!The same also goes for athleticism aswell though,you can be the most gifted athlete around but if you have zero technique its going to catch up with you!Anyway a good example of someone who isnt a great 'Athlete' but yet very gifted in his field is Damien Maia.He isnt a great athlete but his knowledge of the technical details of Bjj are outstanding and have led to him being one of the BJJ practioners in the world!
BoxingBadBoy77 1 year ago
@BoxingBadBoy77 -Demian Maia has been practicing martial arts since the age of 4.
Maia is from a wealthy family and was afforded premier instruction throughout his life.
I don't know what your definition of "great athlete" is but Maia fits the bill with his elite coordination.
Maia is strong too, he threw Sonnen wit Judo and then subd him wit a triangle.
Maia was born with natural skill, received elite coaching, and became a multiple world champion; great athlete. Da proof is in the pudding.
layups 1 year ago
@layups Well its not easy to tell what your definition of an elite athlete is?Personally my definition of a great athlete would be Anderson Silva who is very fast,very flexible and has great coordination.When Anderson fought demian the gulf in speed,etc was embarrasing!I wouldnt say Maia is particularily a great athlete he's just a guy who has studied the technique for years and has mastered it!For instance in boxing my definition of great athletes would be guys like Roy jones jr in his prime.
BoxingBadBoy77 1 year ago
@BoxingBadBoy77 - Athletes are defined as 'those who partcipate in [physical] contests'.
Greatness is a concept of a state of superiority affecting a person wen 1 has a clear and perceivable advantage
Balance, coordination, speed, reflexes, strength, and stamina are aspects of athleticism
Maia is a great athlete despite his speed deficit against Silva. Not every great athlete is fast. Maia didn't even learn BJJ until he was 19. Plenty of people master BJJ but they don't have Maias physical tools
layups 1 year ago
@BoxingBadBoy77 - search youtube for 'ryo chonan vs anderson silva heel hook' to see two different styles of athleticism.
The gulf in speed was embarrassing along with the gulf in ground skills/coordination.
Q: Who is the better athlete/fighter? Tiger or monkey?
A: It depends on where they fight. The monkey won't lose if the fight takes place in the tree.
layups 1 year ago
@layups Well said, sir. You are a breath of fresh air to the generally dismal youtube community.
koflan 1 year ago
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layups 1 year ago
@koflan -Thanks, there are a lot of people that are just angry at themselves and the anonymity of the internet doesn't help with their social interactions.
It's easy to spout hate but hard to be constructive.
Topics like fighting brings everyone into the fold, from ignorant to the enlightened.
layups 1 year ago
@layups Yes athleticism is important as well, but technique is most important. Example: A small man can move a large object further using wheels than a large man can just pushing it. Good technique can stop a fight before athleticisum becomes an issue, and plenty of elderly men have defeated much younger, more athletic opponents based on fighting skill.
MayhemEA 1 year ago
@MayhemEA - I think you are confusing the terms "equipment" and "technique". Using wheels versus pushing is not a technical difference, it is an equipment difference.
layups 1 year ago
@layups Perhaps I gave a poor example, but my other point was correct. Technique is what makes the largest difference in warriors, as I have seen a man defeat an opponent that had 150 pounds on him in groundfighting, where strength and size is perhaps at its most important. I do agree with you on the point that athleticism is very important in combat.
MayhemEA 1 year ago
@layups Call me a pussy or girl or whatever. But if someone on the street is trying to kill me by choking me pulling out a knife, anybody can kick someone to the groin any one can gouge someone in the eye or punch someone in the throat. After these techniques are performed anybody is able to take down or throw anybody. So no you don't need to be athletic to fight. The most important trait one should have is courage and confidence. Remember "self-defense" is different from the octagon.
urfaceismessed 1 year ago
@urfaceismessed -ANYONE can kick someone to the groin, gouge, throat punch, etc but VERY FEW have the ability to DEFEND the techniques you mentioned.
One must have a technical or physical advantage, or both, to defend.
Offense is easy, defending is difficult.
Compensation is the most important factor.
The rabbit has no offense and very little technical skill but its speed and lack of "courage/confidence" give it a great "self-defense".
layups 1 year ago
@layups seriously, when is the last time you saw a 200lbs+ fighter run the track or do a javelin throw. Or have you ever seen a 150 pound RUNNER get into a fight and win? didn't think so.
MasonBaer 1 year ago
@MasonBaer - GOOGLE things before you write comments.
200 lb javelin thrower? Are you stupid or just ignorant? 200 lbs is small for an elite javelin thrower. Andreas Thorkildsen -6ft 3 -205lbs (recorded seasons best in 2006, 2008,2009), Tero Pitkämäki (2005 season best) 195 cm / 92 kg, Breaux Greer-6ft-3in, 230lbs (2007 seasons best).
I NEVER said that a RUNNER could get into a FIGHT and WIN.
You need to work on your reading comprehension.
The runner will not lose if they run away.
layups 1 year ago
@layups your argument is invalid
beargrylls3 1 year ago
@beargrylls3 -and your argument is?
layups 1 year ago
@layups fighting is a physical skill that requires BOTH technique and athleticism. Therefore you can not win a fight purely on of athleticism
No matter how big and strong you are if you do not know how to use a technique (even something as simple as a punch) you are a useless in fight. There has to be a technique to utilize all that athleticism.
And from my experience skill beats power. Just look at all of the older UFCs. More Specifically Royce Gracie Vs. Kimo Leopoldo. It's on Youtube
beargrylls3 1 year ago
@beargrylls3- Skill beats strength. Skill does not beat speed and power.
Power is work divided by time. Speed is distance divided by time.
Just look at the new UFC's and modern MMA and usually the smaller more skillful guy in a fight loses.
More specifically Royce Gracie vs Matt Hughes or skillful, lazy BJ Penn losing to speedy Edgar, skillful Couture losing to powerful Lesnar.
layups 1 year ago
@layups But if pure speed and power beat pure skill then a guy could just run really fast at his opponent and win. The reason that doesn't work is because running is not a fighting skill. No matter how fast and powerfully he runs if it is not channeled into a technique it is useless.
beargrylls3 1 year ago
@beargrylls3 -My comments are referring to literally running away from street fights and the fact that many keyboard warriors neglect the athletic requirements that go into fighting.
"But if pure speed and power beat pure skill then a guy could just run really fast at his opponent and win."
I never stated that power and speed alone beat skill.
A person can run really fast and not lose is my point.
Skill does not beat speed and power. Speed kills.
layups 1 year ago
@layups well if your point is that speed and power allow you to get away then i agree. but I was responding to your original post that said "the opponent can beat you purely on athleticism" And at the end of your post you say speed kills. So what is your argument? That speed and power beat skill? or that speed and power allow you to run away?
beargrylls3 1 year ago
"Athleticism" has characteristics such as flexibility, strength, endurance, energy, and explosive coordination.
Technique is only part of what one needs to be successful in athletics.
There are countless great technicians in athletics such as basketball, football, tennis, swimming, mma, etc that can't compete at a high level because of a lack of physical ability.
Armbars and kicks can be taught; speed and size cannot be taught.
layups 1 year ago
@layups Hughes used superior grappling skills to defeat Gracie. Ironically the armbar he used was a Gracie technique . Edgar was indeed faster but his striking skills were clearly better. and he used his wrestling skill to avoid BJ's superior ground skills.
The punch that knocked Randy down leading to the end of the fight was not exceptionally fast or powerful, Randy just didn't avoid it. Avoiding punches is another skill that is more muscle memory and technique than athleticism.
beargrylls3 1 year ago
@beargrylls3 - " Ironically the armbar he used was a Gracie technique."
The armlock from side mount that Matt Hughes attempted to submit Gracie with was not a 'Gracie technique'. Judo, jiu-jitsu, wrestling, and catch wrestling all illustrate the same move and have for many years.
"Gracie jiu jitsu" has a specific instruction format and the progressions of students.
Hughes was a disciple of Jeremy Horn, who has no BJJ black belt, and Horn was a disciple of a professional wrestler.
layups 1 year ago
@layups When i said it was a Gracie technique i meant it is part of the system. Good point though. But i think you are missing my point here. I'm not saying jujitsu is the best skill or art, my point is that you can not win a fight based purely on athletic ability. Hughes used a fighting technique, not a track and field technique, or a power clean, or a sprint.
beargrylls3 1 year ago
@beargrylls3 -Gracie used plenty of fighting techniques as well during his fight with Hughes but he was overpowered, old, and probably got tired.
Hughes used wrestling, weight cutting to his advantage, cardio, strength, endurance, energy, , and explosive coordination to pound out Gracie and get his TKO victory.
Hughes vs Renzo Gracie? Renzo had no chance against the better athlete.
layups 1 year ago
@layups Okay so your argument has changed again. so you are saying that weight cutting, "energy", and wrestling helped him win? So size power and wrestling skill? You're point is not coherent. you went from "Pure athleticism wins fights" to "Speed and power wins fights" to "speed and power allow you to get away" to this now. And saying that his wrestling allowed him to win is in agreement with my argument. Wrestling is a skill.
beargrylls3 1 year ago
@beargrylls3 -Is "Skill" the reason why Hughes beat Ricardo Almeida and Jeremy Horn at Abu Dhabi Combat Club competitions but yet lost to Jeff Monson and Tito Ortiz?
Are Monson and Tito more skilled than Hughes?
Go PLAY some sports and watch who the most successful athletes are; Maybe you'll learn something.
layups 1 year ago
@layups I'm pretty sure Almeida is a great athlete. Hughes caught Almeda with a left hook then submitted him with an arm-in-guillotine. That is not endurance or power, that is timing and skill. And what are you suggesting? Tito, Hughes and Monson have spent their whole lives working on their skills. When they work power and endurance it is supplementary. If it wasn't than Olympic lifters and strongman competitors would all be MMA champions. In reality all MMA champions grew up training skills.
beargrylls3 1 year ago
@beargrylls3 - A person can be 5% more effective in finishing an arm bar if they improve their grip strength and lactic acid clearance ability is my argument.
I was suggesting that Hughes could not beat Tito and Monson in ADCC grappling because their techniques are somewhat equal but their physiques are not.
Hughes dominated Almeida during ADCC and he won using the same front headlock DaveSchultz used in 84 olympics.
layups 1 year ago
@layups If you had ever done an arm bar correctly you would know your hips hold the arm in place not your grip. Your grip just pulls the lower arm towards your chest, if it is set up correctly it should not take a lot of strength. If you hold the arm bar so long that your lactic acid clearance is a factor without breaking it, you are doing it wrong. And saying he used the front headlock Dave Schultz used is supporting my argument. It's a technique!
beargrylls3 1 year ago
@layups I have been playing sports for 13 years. Only recently got into MMA. In my first week of training i went against a kid who was half a foot shorter than me and 50 pounds lighter. I could bench, squat, power clean twice as much as this kid and jump 10 inches higher. Did not help at all. He out grappled and out pointed me in striking. he used his understanding of position and his skills to beat me every time. Go fight somebody who has more skills than you; Maybe you'll learn something.
beargrylls3 1 year ago
I've gotten my ass kicked plenty of times by guys smaller and "weaker" than me.
Im not trying to make a "blank" vs skill argument.
People should RUN AWAY from STREET FIGHTS and technique isn't everything in sports
I bet the guy who was shorter than you was also a better athlete than you. He was probably faster, more coordinated, endurance, flexibility,experience,etc.
Bench, squat, and power clean numbers have little to do with functional athletics; the vertical jump # is somewhat relative
layups 1 year ago
@layups You are making a blank vs. skill statement in your first comment which you keep deviating from instead of acknowledging you are changing it. He's not faster than me, he's not more flexible than me, he was more coordinated than me in particular movements. He developed that coordination by training skills. And he never outworked me, he would beat me before endurance was a factor. Endurance, although important, is just insurance for a string of failed techniques that leave you tired.
beargrylls3 1 year ago
@layups Bench and squat are very important to athletic ability. If you disagree you can take it up with the strength and conditioning coaches of Frankie Edger, Brock Lesnar, GSP, and Anderson Silva. And the power clean is probably more important. Explosive opening and closing of the hip is what makes you jump high, run fast, kick hard, and take people down. That is why Olympic athletes have some of the best high jump and sprint stats out of all athletes.
beargrylls3 1 year ago
"Olympic athletes have some of the best high jump and sprint stats."
They're not powerlifters. Bench and squat deliver almost no indication of sporting ability
" All strength changes that "are supposed to influence" strength, power, and speed should be attained prior to the development of the movement patterns associated with that capacity in a sport. It should be realized that if strength training is performed at the wrong time in the annual training program it will not benefit performance."
layups 1 year ago
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beargrylls3 1 year ago
@layups Okay, so you admit that power cleans are important. And you whoever the your quote is from is supporting my argument that strength is important to some extent. I can also get references saying that the squat is important to athletic ability in addition to all these on the bench press. I'm enjoying this argument =D, you are really making me think.
beargrylls3 1 year ago
@beargrylls3 " I could bench, squat, power clean twice as much as this kid and jump 10 inches higher."
Could you please find me an article or even a reference by ANY mma/athletic trainer that implies that the standard bench press would have any positive impact on MMA performance? Who is Anderson Silva's strength and conditioning coach? Thanks
layups 1 year ago
@layups "Squats, deadlifts, bench presses, power cleans; the basics, combined with some sprinting and some stretching. It may not be glamorous, but it makes you stronger and faster." This quote is from Martin Rooney, MMA strength and conditioning coach who has trained Franky Edgar. The internet article containing the quote is called “11 Myths of Warrior Training” should be the first link if you type that into Google.
beargrylls3 1 year ago
@layups If you search for “TFW Body weight Challenge Champion Frankie Edgar” on youtube, you will find a video of Martin Rooney showing an athletic test with Franky Edgar. He uses the standard bench press as a strength standard.
beargrylls3 1 year ago
@layups GSP’s Strength and conditioning coach, Jonathan Chaimberg, has GSP and other top UFC fighters do dumbbell bench presses. He even recommends them in his internet article “Training Athletes and the General Population” You can see GSP doing them on the youtube video “Jonathan Chaimber Training Session with GSP, Loiseau and Kang” What is interesting about this is that GSP Loiseau and Kang all have the same trainer and similar athletic abilities, but only GSP has been really successful.
beargrylls3 1 year ago
@layups Anderson Silva’s strength and conditioning coach is Rogerio Camoes. In the Youtube video “UFC – All Access: Anderson Silva Part 1” You can see him having Silva doing smith machine bench presses.
beargrylls3 1 year ago
@layups Hughes used his skill to make sure he was in a better position the whole fight. Positioning skills help win fights. Hughes used this strategic fact to his advantage. And if you ever have somebody teach you the guard passes he did or how he flattened him out at the end you will find they do not require speed and power if done correctly, like Hughes did them. The take downs he used do require a certain amount of power but not any more than a healthy male is capable of, if done correctly.
beargrylls3 1 year ago
@beargrylls3 -All of the technique in the world will not make you flexible like BJ Penn, or fast as Anderson Silva, strong like Brock, etc.
Fighting requires a good athletic base, otherwise the opponent can just beat you on characteristics of athleticism (endurance, energy, explosive coordination, speed, power, etc).
Everyone who fights knows armbars and how to punch. You can't teach speed, size, coordination.
layups 1 year ago
@layups Still misunderstanding my argument and the last statement is irrelevant. Arm bars and punches are only two techniques that deal with very specific situations in a fight. A fighter has to have a full understanding of what options he has in different positions relative to his opponent. And there are so many different ways to throw a punch or do an arm bar. And it takes skill to do them effectively. Go try an arm bar. You will find it is not easy and your vertical jump doesn't help at all.
beargrylls3 1 year ago
@layups sure you need to be athletic but skill is alot more of the battle, i've seen tons of athletic ppl loose fights cuz they didnt know shit, the moves make a fight, the conditioning will keep it going.
matticusman 1 year ago
@matticusman -People should run away from street fights; a 100meter dash is a viable defense.
Heavyweight produces the most amount of fights where a fighter can win using athleticism and limited skill.
Who has better 'boxing skills'...Penn or Edgar...De la Hoya or Pacquiaou?
Speed kills and doesn't require skill it depends on nature and nurture.
Most elite mma fighters were also successful competitve athletes, often in a variety of sports, hence their propensity for cross/mix training.
layups 1 year ago
@layups speed is alright, but what happens when your fast as lightning, but still manage to get stuck in a situation where you gotta fight, your speed alone probably won't do shit unless you can match the other person for skill, and then for conditioning, its all 3 factors that come into play, and you say speed doesn't require skill, anything does, even a fast runner can trip if they suck at running, or you can punch as fast as you want 100 times, with no skill it won't hurt or even hit, fail.
matticusman 1 year ago
@matticusman - I have never met someone who is, "fast as lightning", but if I do I will have a better response to your comment.
Where did I write speed does not require sill? Please quote me.
"and you say speed doesn't require skill, anything does, even a fast runner can trip if they suck at running,"
SPEED is a SCALAR QUANTITY, meters per second, 4 kilometers per hour, 10 meters per second.
layups 1 year ago
@layups a black belt in jiujitsu would murk a guy way more athletic then him based solely on technique
yellowmon123 1 year ago
@yellowmon123 - Look up Renzo, Cesar, Rolles, etc Gracie's records and see how many times those black belts in jiu jitsu lose to a person with less than impressive grappling credentials.
Just because one fighter has a "black belt in jiu jitsu" does not mean they will "murk" their opponent.
It is impossible to make absolute statements about who beats who. Fighting is not rock, paper, scissors.
Athletic ability, energy level, and conditioning enhance one's skill set.
layups 1 year ago
@layups
Yes and all of those men you mentioned became the way they are by training. If you stretch everyday, and train jiu-jitsu as long as BJ Penn, you will become as flexible as him. If you train Muay Thai as long as Anderson Silva, you will become as fast as him. If you take steroids and hit the gym as often as Brock you will also become as strong as him.
Also this video gives a novice at MMA at good fundament base at defending a knockout punch.
19link93 1 year ago
@19link93 -This is a great drill for working with the mitts; it is questionable whether this drill is great for 'defense'.
"If you stretch everyday, and train jiu-jitsu as long as BJ Penn, you will become as flexible as him."
At 17 BJ learned bjj from Tom Callos, in 1997 BJ started bjj training with Ralph Gracie, 2000 Penn was awarded his blackbelt by Andre Pederneiras and weeks later was the first non-Brazilian to win the blackbelt division.
All it takes is ~4 years and I'm as good as BJ?
layups 1 year ago
@19link93 " If you train Muay Thai as long as Anderson Silva, you will become as fast as him."
That is physiologically impossible. No amount of training or supplements will change my slow twitch muscle percentage to equal that of Silva, plus everyone's body structure is unique.
I can learn the same techniques of Silva and I could be 'technically' superior to him in theory, but Anderson would still maintain his tendon amount, fast/slow twitch muscle ratio, physical advantage, etc.
layups 1 year ago
Who are these two "experts"? When I search their names and "EM3" all I find is their Internet videos. No school info, no competition or MMA results for these two. These videos should be taken down before they hurt someone.
apopofski 2 years ago
this is how you counter a hook not a haymaker....For one people who use haymakers use them in flurries so you arent even building an advantage in fact you will be dropping your guard as the second punch is comming
To counter a haymaker the easiest and most effective is to step in (covered of course) and clinch. Anderson silva abuses this all the time
boorens18 2 years ago
That is a sport fight. There is NO danger in that. There's money involved. Not a life of death situation. You can not compare MMA to a real street fight. You CAN NOT use haymakers in flurries. How can you? They are large wind-up and launch strikes that take up a lot of power before they are launched.
neilneazer 2 years ago
zo my jello, its mr. klapheke! this is won of the masters.
sammythesausage 2 years ago
your not traning to miss your training to hit any target this improves your accarcy but head gear it that bad of an idea the only thing is that nobodys not going to want you puching them in the head repeatedly
gavinC2293 2 years ago
true, i hadnt though of that aspect. nonetheless, the fewer things you have to think about (where your targeting) the more instantanious your response. In saying that, different circumstances call for different responses :\ double edged blade i surpose. just something i thought id point out from experiance.
OctoFighter 2 years ago
would wrapping a pillow around their head be more effective if he already has headgear on
victordibono 2 years ago
street fighting is alot different to ring fighting. i dont think alot of u actually get that. basic striking techniques count for alot more when u could be defending against 2 or 3 opponents. having trained for about 12 years now i can say pretty solidly that the only problem with this drill is that ur training to miss. to be really effective, give ur partner headgear and strike the head, not the hands.
OctoFighter 2 years ago
You're right but hitting the hands works on your aim the same as straight up punching the face. You are right though.
MrAltruistic84 2 years ago
wat about head under that high gaurd triangle chock on ur feet lik to see ur punchs then pal!
pigslaught666 2 years ago
i would kick to the chest and pull his arms at the same time or use a knee to the stomach
monkeyman215 2 years ago
Who said kick him in the chest then take him down with a grappling tech? That is the most unsafe, non smart advise I ever heard (well not the most but it IS up here). If its a street fight, you NEVER NEVER NEVER go to the ground. Concrete is unforgiving and the attacker may have a weapon or friends. For that matter kick him in the legs. It makes it harder for them to attack if the can not walk properly. If he's throwing a shit load of punches, how are you going to get off a kick to the chest?
neilneazer 2 years ago
Totally true.
Virility 2 years ago
thank u
neilneazer 2 years ago
Just incase you didn't say it loud enough here is some help....
NEVER EVER GO TO THE GROUND!
glass on the floor, thier friends kicking you in the head, do not attempt a rear naked choke in a crowded street on a friday night put it that way.
stay standing, control timing and distance and keep attackers in front of you!
silla860 2 years ago 2
THANK YOU!!!!!!!
neilneazer 2 years ago
i got piled like that once but my brothers a us marine and he taught me some crazy shit
kishanman1 2 years ago
uh...if they have friends you dont fight period.....thats a given...if its one on one then you can (if you need to) fight..in which going to the ground is a great way to put people out of their element. Hence why the military teaches grappling as a focus for striking.
boorens18 2 years ago
The teach LEO's those for the purpose of getting a restraint and then handcuffing. Are you handcuffing? And the MIL for the same purpose and there's usually more than 1. It's not a street fight...once again. You are comparing LEO/MIL and then MMA with a violent street fight. And the title for the video is HOW TO COUNTER A STANDING HAYMAKER...NOT HOOK
neilneazer 2 years ago
Its irrespective of if its title...I'm saying this is not a reasonable counter to a haymaker. Even in MMA fights blows are thrown in combos (thats one of the first rules to striking...dont throw "lazy" punches...ie one punch) that haymaker is not going to be open for 3 strikes, If you block you dont set yourself up for an effective counter...you have to either dodge or deflect a blow in order to have time to effectively counter.
boorens18 2 years ago
I agree this is no way to counter a haymaker. If you move in and not block, its a better defense. If you block you will continue to block until a mistake is made or someone gets tired. Its true an effective counter or strike is easily accessible.
neilneazer 2 years ago
@boorens18 u culd block and throw simultaneouslty but itll take practice to get power like that
timstramadal 2 years ago
That is not true.
what You do when you do the fist??
Streight right or left hand?
nigahiga000 2 years ago
whell I would say that the best way to defend when the oponent is bringing masive numbers of punches at you is a kick in the chest,and then quickly bring him down with a grapling technique
angelingabriel 2 years ago
Probably, best thing to do is block and punch at the same time into the torso of the opponent. This does not give time for the opp. to attack you but yet YOU to counter and take him out. We learned to block and punch at the same time to at least shock him to set up for a counter.
shinobiwarrior1 2 years ago
If done right it works. Quinton Jackson uses it all the time. It's part of the Crazy monkey defense system. Traditional boxing and movement does not all translate well into streetfighting. Even professional boxers look and fight different in the street. In a world of 'blitzs' and sucker punches 'defaults' and defensive 'shileds' work better than parries, slips, and fancy footwork.
Every technique has a counter and leaves openings.
rodlpz 2 years ago
Ugh... Not a good defensive maneuver unless you have vast amounts of energy to burn through. If they fake you, your whole side is open to attack. Keep your arms close to you when not attacking, and keep your fists tight. When they hook, twist your body, raise the defending arm slightly, and step back. This will allow time for a counter attack while they are stepping in.
Expunge6667 2 years ago
i did dis in sparrin and the force of the punch still made ma head move, leaves u open for a combo if u ask me
darerhian 2 years ago
Maybe you should just take the punch in that case.
S41ntsX3 2 years ago
at 1:07 cant you get your arm dislocated?
44Lionstar 2 years ago