That is such a vicious car! A shame the gears weren't adapted to the course! It could've gotten at least 3 more seconds if the gear register was lowered!
the wing dosent make it a racecar!......any car in its class (wing or not) has diffuser, spoilers, and various other aides that add in downforce. the biggest thing u can see is the smooth large, flat carbon composite sheet under the cars body that directs airflow and adds suction to the road. so anyone arguing that the wing is what makes it unfair and a LEGIT RACECAR is a dumbass
Haha! Look at all you youtube racers trashing this guys driving. lol You guys might think you're hot shit on Gran Turismo but this is REAL LIFE, not the same kids. You put your sorry asses behind the wheel of a 600 RWHP beast and lets see how badass your driving skills are, I bet you couldn't get passed the first corner. lmao
@craig1h well thats chevy and ferraris fault for not putting "big wings and shit" on their cars and its not a full on race car if you can drive it on the road legally dumbass
I don't give a shit who's the fastest, the R8, 911 Turbo S, 458, Gallardo... All much nicer looking and also fast cars, would pick a GT-R or R8 over this thing if we're talking price range here. But still a nice car the ACR.
I mean for the near price tage u cud get alot of different cars but the dodge viper is just badass... its wide, low, huge rear tires nd its noticeable.... Even the name Viper is awesome
This was the drivers' third lap in this car for the first time. The Viper ACR is a street legal, OEM, record setting, naturally aspirated, pussy gettin piece of machinery. Complaining about it doesn't change the record or the fact that this car put the Euros in their place.
All you retards saying the Viper ACR is modded from the factory are just stupid. If the equipment being offered was installed by the factory then its factory STOCK! Saying the Viper ACR is modded would be like saying the ZR1 is modded because of its supercharger and therefore not factory.....Viper is still faster in all categories.
All you retards saying the Viper ACR is modded from the factory are just stupid. If the equipment being offered was installed by the factory then its factory STOCK! Saying the Viper ACR is modded would be like saying the ZR1 is modded because of its supercharger and therefore not factory.....Viper is still faster in all categories.
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that american shit doesnt have the ring record, the radical sr8 and gumpert apollo have both set faster times... and i suspect the ultima GTR720 will beat it when they get a chance to lap the ring in the dry....
No, it's not a production car. Hell, it has half the shit missing that a production car is supposed to have. By that logic, I can buy a go-kart and call it a production car. Besides, the only place that it is street legal is the UK, but then again you can slap headlights on to an F1 over there and it would also be considered street legal.
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@Refort610 clearly u know nothin about the UK, and nothin about cars. the SR8 is a road legal production car. u could go and buy one today if you wanted...
I could also go buy a go-kart today and it would basically be the same thing. The SR8 is only street legal in UK. It will not meet any regulations outside of the UK. Have you even seen the damn thing? How can anyone possibly call that a production car?
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@Refort610 just because its a bare essentials sports car doesnt mean it isnt a production car. and regulations here are probably more strict than america's.. so dont go givin me shit like 'you can slap headlights on to an F1 over there and it would also be considered street legal', cus its blatantly not true. lol why cant u just accept that its a production car, its road legal and most importantly its better than any american car and faster round the ring..??
its about how fast is manual and flappy paddles. in this they use manual. in F1 is too fast to be used manual. such as in WRC. in the past in F1 is also Manual. Senna drived with manual. the problem is you have 3 operations. clutch , shift and clutch release. in paddles just one. pull and ok. so its much faster. and the body moves less a lot.
any one whos good can shift with in hundreds of a second of a automatic or flappy paddles, and besides you can suicide cluctch, and be every bit as quick as a auto
awesome driving. this man knows the ring so well that he knows exactly when to rev max and when to change gear up instead. if you don't know the ring, 1 it kills you and 2 you will never go really fast on it
@ Internet forum racers: he lets the car into the limiter sometimes because it costs him less time in the end than having to shift up, and very soon down again because the corner is coming.
This car seems to have a horrible gearbox. Way to long shifting ways (a second to change gears??) and when it hits the limiter, the gear- knob bounces around like a pogo stick on ecstasy. Plus, you obviously need a hammer, to get the gears in.
If you do it wrong, do it wrong the right way and put a flappy paddle gearbox in for god sake =P
Flappy paddle gearboxes are for people who can't drive. All real car enthusiasts like gear knobs much better. Ex. Jeremy Clarkson and the rest of the Top Gear presenters, Jay Leno, Lewis Hamilton, Michael Schumacher. And no, just because the car's suspension is stiff and the engine is very powerful causes the gear shift to move a little. And I don't know who it was (Road and Track or Car and Driver), but they reported the gear shifting to actually be very good.
what a stupid comment. f1 cars have flappy paddles. so those drivers cant drive? jeremy clarkson is old, and so is everyone else you listed so they like what they are used to. i have never heard of schumacher saying that. name anyone ever using a gear knob shifting in less than 60 miliseconds.
You're fucking stupid. There's no other word for it. Do you know why they don't use manual shifters in Formula 1 cars?
1)Not enough room in the cockpit
2)They don't shift enough
It's not like Dodge made this car for FIA GT competitions, no! They made it to be a drivers car. But of course, you completely blow my comment out of proportion just like a stupid person would. No, of course Formula 1 drivers are not bad. But flappy paddles on road cars take away the involvement in driving.
But if you think driving with flappy paddles is just as hard as driving with a real manual gearbox, then once again you're fucking stupid. It is A LOT easier to use flappy paddles than a fully manual gearbox, which means it takes a lot more skill to drive the car. Who do you think had it easier driving the car around the Ring, the person in the Maserati MC12 or this guy in the Viper ACR? Quit being so fucking stupid.
i know its easier to use them ass. never said it wasnt. saying no skill was dumb cuz the best drivers make a living off of using them. its smarter to put them in a high performance vehicle cuz its is going to give you the best results
Saying the best drivers making a living off of it is a monumentally terrible argument. It should be pretty self explanatory, but I'm just going to say how well they can shift is a SMALL FRACTION of their complete driving ability. And it is smarter, but hardly anyone really likes flappy paddles anyway. You're much more involved in the drive with a regular stick. Even a stick sequential would be much better than flappy paddles.
Dodge shouldn't change the engine, the driver should change his driving style. I don't think he knows about the Viper's low end power, so he should have shifted up. The car could have handled it
sometimes bouncing off the limiter is the way to go, as opposed to wasteing time shifting back and forth, although there were a couple times I think he would have been better off upshifting. He also missed the 2-3 shift twice, this lapper could have been faster if I was behind the wheel, haha just kidding, or am I?
Well, Tom is a good driver already, but he races for Seat which has a high revving engine that makes all it's power at high RPMs. This is his first time in a Viper ACR, so he's not used to having the engine at low RPMs, where there is a ton of power and torque compared to other cars. I do get what you're saying though. I'm just curious if someone else is going to attempt to break that record with another ACR
Yeah, I have to agree this guy definitely knows what he is doing, and for anyone to run that fast at the ring is impressive. My dream is for someone to give me a crack at breaking this guys time, or even to just bring my car there and run a couple laps would be enough to make me happy.
Alot of the vids i've seen of cars lapping the 'Ring, it's definitely worth bouncing off the limiter rather than wasting time shifting, especially since the Viper doesn't have paddle-shift...just the way I like it. For a car not geared for the track, 7:22 is damn impressive. Maybe a little taller rear axle ratio to suit the driver.
Yes it is stock. It comes from the factory, along with all the other Vipers, built this way. I don't know why people like you have such a hard time grasping that. 600bhp from an 8.4L engine, you're only looking at the peak horsepower. The engine makes so much power at lower RPMs, more then any other car.
if the company sells it like that thn its stock o the company and its counted as a production car so therefore its stock just like nissan gtr m spec or saleen s7 comp all stock
yes. i mean that non-streetable means that it is street legal, but not practical, hence not streetable. however, i still like the acr and if a car is good and affordable(relatively speaking) then why hate it? i read that in an article that the hardcore package dont have ac..........?
They took out the audio system, underhood sound deadening material and trunk carpeting and replaced door panels with carbon fiber. In the older ACRs (1999-2002) some of those weren't equiped with AC
There is a big gap between 99-02 GTS ACRs and 2008 ACRs. However, the GTS ACR was a very well performing car for its time period. You can see one in the related videos section under "Race - Dodge Viper ACR vs. Porsche 996 tt"
man that viper must pick up fast cause it over revs right before the turns. must be hard to drive that car. But i bet without that miss shift he could of got 7:20 at least! but still hard car to drive. Crazy though
Actually, much easier to drive than a newer Z06 - shifter becomes butter at 9/10s and the engine does heel/toe very well. The back end just will not break loose, unless you overpower it in the turn (judicious use of throttle suggested, as the torque at all rpms over 3k is incredible). FYI
For those who are saying he needs to shift are idiots, everytime he runs into the limiter he is about to enter a turn and its rediculous to try to shift because your not gonna even get it into gear by the time your in the turn. A motor like the Viper is made to take some abuse...look at the MOPAR D1GP SRT-10. The only modifications for the ring time from the production car was a racing harness for safety.
Not every time. At least a few times he rides the limiter for neary a second before shifting up. That and the two missed shifts. I have no problem with someone hitting and riding the limitter a little, but this goes a bit far the other way, I think. Most don't ride the limitter enough. Still, really nice, clean work for a car so different from what he usually drives. Impressive.
240zguy240 ur retarded.....im talkin about when hes on the straight.....and if he is hitting the rev limiter soo often he's actually hurting the engine and could bend valves and doesn't that mean he should get a better defrential for longer gears???? der der der imagine how much faster he'd be
if an engine cant take a few seconds bouncing off the rev limiter it isnt worth putting in a car. Even though the engine is stock, its still a performance based engine. so its just doing what it was made to do.
the radicall is not legal in the us,the viper is practicaly a muscle car,were talking legal production cars here people,if were ganna talk about ellegal bring on the racing viper,
needs to change the gears..they are too short and he keeps hitting the rev limiter, not good for motor and could be ALOT faster at that track..and I don't see how that is the lap record with those weaknesses
you would think that a professional driver would thinkof this before he set a record right? actually...hitting the rev limiter is actually saving time because if he changes gears for that short of time then he will actually lose time.
the straight alone was awful to listen to as the rev limiter chattered.the car just plain ran out of gear....that thing needed a 7th gear or something,god damn
If it does why can't I see it in record lists (production car lists is what I look at not tuned). I also already seen that some guy thought that the Radical SR8 was a production car
Radical claim it is both a production sportscar, and that it holds the lap record around the Nürburgring Nordschleife, so take the argument up with them. The SR8 is road legal in Europe.
i love how whenever i come onto a video that shows a car that beats the GTR there is always someone in there that is still saying that the GTR is faster. for the last time no it isn't. if you did research you would know that and wouldn't look like a complete dumbass
Who cares which car is quicker? Both cars are awesome in their own ways. The Viper is just a beast! I love it. It uses a massive rear wing, huge rear tires and a monster V10 to muscle it's way around the Ring. The GTR uses a medium capacity twin turbo v6, flappy paddle gearbox and high tech AWD chassis to slice it's way around. Both cars are so different in their approach and yet both cars are blindingly fast. It's different strokes for different folks. Variety is the spice of life! Amen...
its stops him changing gear and wasting time. he hittin the rev limiter when he changes gear because he is keepin his foot flat to the floor whilst puttin da cluctch in to change gear
The new ZR1 time is 7:22.4 pretty much a virtual tie with the ACR. Good job Dodge and GM. Now that GM has a pro driver I wonder who will break 7:20 first
So the time could be better! I think they could beat 7:20 - they have to set the rev limiter at higher rpm.
But I would prefer another Car. The Nordschleife is a track with long high speed roads, but in curves the Viper is not so fast as you can see because of the high weight.
But the cars could go much faster.
The record has still the Porsche 956 driven by Stefan Bellof. the time is 6:11 !!!
Physically impossible? Please dont bring up physics, because it is apparant you do not understand them. Light weight is a nice nice perk, but it does not show a cars "potential" when it comes to handling. Just look at the ome of cars in the s class autocross and compare them to lower classses and their weights.
The acr handles as well as most "super cars", and exceeds many.
And the s4 would get destroyed, it was great- for its time, 20 years ago. Its suspension and chassis dont compare
I think I know what you're getting at. Faster around higher speed corners than most cars and slower at slow speed corners, right? The Viper may not be faster than some cars around slower corners, but it does handle well around the due to suspension. Weight is a factor, but it's not the only fator.
Youre free to prefer other cars, i myself do as well. However the problem is hte fact remains- this car isnt just destroying cars on high speed tracks. This car is destroying them across the board- Small technical tracks and large tracks alike.
Its actualy the highspeed non-technical courses where it doesnt fair well- it accelerates slower than the srt-10
can you tell me, why the most use old cars at hillclimb races and slalom races?
No?
They use them beacuse of their leight weight.
I was a passenger of a Delta S4. The car has 800kg and 600HP, 4WD, streetlegal, you can not imagine how this car can fly, really.
And I already have driven a original Viper by my own. It was ok, awesome acceleration but the handling was not so good. And the car was really agressive at the limit. like a Viper as an animal
Dont assume and make an ass of you and me. yes i can tell you. Two big reasons actually, a platforms rigidity limitations are no longer as much of a concern when its basicly a racecage wearing whatever chassis. And second, almot all of the hill climb events are amateur, the cash being used is far less. Things change when the buy in on your car is over 100 thousand.
If the s4 could out handle the viper, itd be in use today modified to make more power to compete. Fact is, its not.
WOw this driver was revving this hardd!...good driving. And all the people who are backing up GTR, GTR is a good car, but this is faster because it is an ACR (Race Edition). I think the GTR on 'Ring was a consumer available option.
Learn to read moron. The "Hardcore Package" is a factory option and all it does is delete the stereo, underhood pad, trunk carpet, and tire inflator. The adjustable suspension and aero are STOCK idiot. That is why the 'ring officials gave it the STOCK vehicle record. The only non-stock piece was Coronel's seat. And don't forget that he set this record on only his 3rd lap ever in a Viper. The ZR1 was driven by one of GM's top drivers who is more familiar with th ZR1 than anyone. Deal with it.
Not even a stock class... Stock means all stock! That is a race car sold publically... The ZR1 is a street car.... Fuck off you know the ACR is not stock at all.
It is amazing how stupid some people are. "Stock" means exactly as delivered from the factory, IDIOT. That ACR is exactly as it was delivered to the dealer except for the driver's seat. You can talk out of your ass all you want. The ACR was stock, the ring officials agreed it was stock, and they gave it the official "Stock" record. End of story.
ACR is just a normal viper with a body kit and some suspension tweaks.... the ZR1 is a FAR more exotic incarnation of the vette then the ACR is of the Viper.
Are you shitting me? What a fucking dumbass you are... How can you say far more exotic when the only difference is the glass showing the engine on the Vette. And the Viper has adjustable suspension, a wing, and no options basically!
Except that they produce the same or more HP and more torque without forced induction than European and Japanese designs do with it while maintaining a simplicity of design that makes them far less expensive to maintain and far less prone to failure.
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19Julz76 2 months ago
That is such a vicious car! A shame the gears weren't adapted to the course! It could've gotten at least 3 more seconds if the gear register was lowered!
ohedd 2 months ago
Yeah that's a nice ride along!
MLLRTYM 2 months ago
the wing dosent make it a racecar!......any car in its class (wing or not) has diffuser, spoilers, and various other aides that add in downforce. the biggest thing u can see is the smooth large, flat carbon composite sheet under the cars body that directs airflow and adds suction to the road. so anyone arguing that the wing is what makes it unfair and a LEGIT RACECAR is a dumbass
The2ndKrezzz3 3 months ago
he make a few minor mistakes shifting and hitting the limiter and I think at the end it all could've made a difference in the track time
crazynitro10 3 months ago
@crazynitro10 He rides the limiter to keep from shifting and having to shift back down a second later. Though rough on equipment is actually faster.
04YJGTO 2 months ago
anyone notice that engine sounds like its redline is like 4k rpms?
gotenks137690 4 months ago
thats my dream car and my dream track
martinaraiza1 4 months ago
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Stig217 4 months ago
This is far from a race car...
Baddassattuide 4 months ago
that guy must have a huge nut sack filled with titanium balls.
delzottoj 4 months ago
Haha! Look at all you youtube racers trashing this guys driving. lol You guys might think you're hot shit on Gran Turismo but this is REAL LIFE, not the same kids. You put your sorry asses behind the wheel of a 600 RWHP beast and lets see how badass your driving skills are, I bet you couldn't get passed the first corner. lmao
krocialblack 4 months ago 2
yeah but the acr has down force big wings and shit the zr1 ferrari 458 and other cars dont this is a bs record this is a full on racecar!
craig1h 5 months ago
@craig1h well thats chevy and ferraris fault for not putting "big wings and shit" on their cars and its not a full on race car if you can drive it on the road legally dumbass
neonkid98 5 months ago
@craig1h So because it has down force and a spoiler it's a race car lol
iPROFITDON 4 months ago
@iPROFITDON acr stands for american club racing and it does have an actual race car version the acrx
critic1046 3 months ago
@critic1046 Yes, I know what ACR stands for. But it is not a race car. the ACR-X on the other hand is.
iPROFITDON 3 months ago
I don't give a shit who's the fastest, the R8, 911 Turbo S, 458, Gallardo... All much nicer looking and also fast cars, would pick a GT-R or R8 over this thing if we're talking price range here. But still a nice car the ACR.
oilers1go1 5 months ago
Amazing car
I mean for the near price tage u cud get alot of different cars but the dodge viper is just badass... its wide, low, huge rear tires nd its noticeable.... Even the name Viper is awesome
xzxCHIPxzx 5 months ago
Hey Im not trying to critisize his driving, but there was a few corner where he could have shift the gears before it revs.
samlim94 5 months ago
Yo bro, we heard you like rev limiters..
jtdrye 6 months ago
Tom is working his ass off driving this beast. Amazing how the shifter wobbles, when it hits the limiter. Shake it baby, Shake it!
MadUek1 6 months ago
I do like viper but the ZR1 just laid down 7:19.63 at the ring...much respect.
speedfiend74 7 months ago
Definately faster than Al bundy's Dodge!
quincee33 8 months ago
You race nurburgring with intentions of setting a top 10 lap time with a camera for proof. Stop lieing about a Porsche.
Wowmasta21 9 months ago
porsche gt2 rs 7:18 was the manufacturer's claim it was never backed up back an independent source. the viper's 7:22.1 was verified by Motortrend.
Stig217 1 year ago
@Stig217 there is no video proving it did it at 7:18. so acr is still the fastest production car
NWA90s 10 months ago
this proves that the american dodge owns the european roads
GTRman6077 1 year ago
porche GT2 RS 7:18..
w3llet 1 year ago
@w3llet if you dont show me a video of the porsche doing it at 7:18 then you are lying
NWA90s 10 months ago
@w3llet funny thing is, there isnt a stock porche faster than this viper, never has been never will be
lancerfan1991 5 months ago
you have to lovethe viper after seeing this its number 1 across the borad and yes the SRT10 ACR IS A PRODUCTION CAR
MrHookups09 1 year ago
This was the drivers' third lap in this car for the first time. The Viper ACR is a street legal, OEM, record setting, naturally aspirated, pussy gettin piece of machinery. Complaining about it doesn't change the record or the fact that this car put the Euros in their place.
1ViperVenom1 1 year ago 6
All you retards saying the Viper ACR is modded from the factory are just stupid. If the equipment being offered was installed by the factory then its factory STOCK! Saying the Viper ACR is modded would be like saying the ZR1 is modded because of its supercharger and therefore not factory.....Viper is still faster in all categories.
SuperKing1320 1 year ago
All you retards saying the Viper ACR is modded from the factory are just stupid. If the equipment being offered was installed by the factory then its factory STOCK! Saying the Viper ACR is modded would be like saying the ZR1 is modded because of its supercharger and therefore not factory.....Viper is still faster in all categories.
SuperKing1320 1 year ago
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that american shit doesnt have the ring record, the radical sr8 and gumpert apollo have both set faster times... and i suspect the ultima GTR720 will beat it when they get a chance to lap the ring in the dry....
dan19evans 2 years ago
The Apollo didn't even run the ring when this record came out. And the SR8 isn't even a production car.
Refort610 2 years ago
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@Refort610 the SR8 IS a production car u retard
dan19evans 2 years ago
No, it's not a production car. Hell, it has half the shit missing that a production car is supposed to have. By that logic, I can buy a go-kart and call it a production car. Besides, the only place that it is street legal is the UK, but then again you can slap headlights on to an F1 over there and it would also be considered street legal.
Refort610 2 years ago
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@Refort610 clearly u know nothin about the UK, and nothin about cars. the SR8 is a road legal production car. u could go and buy one today if you wanted...
dan19evans 2 years ago
I could also go buy a go-kart today and it would basically be the same thing. The SR8 is only street legal in UK. It will not meet any regulations outside of the UK. Have you even seen the damn thing? How can anyone possibly call that a production car?
Refort610 2 years ago
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@Refort610 just because its a bare essentials sports car doesnt mean it isnt a production car. and regulations here are probably more strict than america's.. so dont go givin me shit like 'you can slap headlights on to an F1 over there and it would also be considered street legal', cus its blatantly not true. lol why cant u just accept that its a production car, its road legal and most importantly its better than any american car and faster round the ring..??
dan19evans 2 years ago
@Refort610 It is a production car just a lightened version for the regular dodge viper, why is it so hard to understand, like M3 CSL, GT3 RS so on.
mkuroglu 1 year ago
@mkuroglu I wasn't talking about the Viper, I was talking about the SR8
Refort610 1 year ago
Missing 3rd Gear twice did not help Record time, prob 2+ sec lost! Great drive tho as Viper does not look easy to drive..
vtecroadhog2 2 years ago
Shows how strong that clutch and tranny really is to abuse it like that and still have it work.
darrylistheman 2 years ago
i think he didn't hit the rev limiter once...
sotaros93 2 years ago 2
check out the gear stick rattling about
scubasteve438 2 years ago 9
just like the corvette's POS shifter, moving everywhere
kevinlch 2 years ago
@scubasteve438 gear box working hard
AXXeYY 4 months ago
its about how fast is manual and flappy paddles. in this they use manual. in F1 is too fast to be used manual. such as in WRC. in the past in F1 is also Manual. Senna drived with manual. the problem is you have 3 operations. clutch , shift and clutch release. in paddles just one. pull and ok. so its much faster. and the body moves less a lot.
unikprod 2 years ago
any one whos good can shift with in hundreds of a second of a automatic or flappy paddles, and besides you can suicide cluctch, and be every bit as quick as a auto
End0fTheLine 2 years ago
He missed 3rd twice. But that doesnt take anything away from him. He's a badass driver. And I love cars with a manual gearbox (ofcourse i drive one.)
jorom90 2 years ago
awesome driving. this man knows the ring so well that he knows exactly when to rev max and when to change gear up instead. if you don't know the ring, 1 it kills you and 2 you will never go really fast on it
gkublok87 2 years ago
@ Internet forum racers: he lets the car into the limiter sometimes because it costs him less time in the end than having to shift up, and very soon down again because the corner is coming.
sancus123 2 years ago 4
Is it just myself or he abuses the gearbox???
Sometimes I think he should have shifted earlier and entered the turns in lower gears with higher rpm.
Grenrick 2 years ago
sounds like he's going slow as... whose stupid idea was it to put the camera so far back
ATY17yulleh 2 years ago
lol i love how the gear knob shakes like its shifting by its self....
daska123man 2 years ago
This car seems to have a horrible gearbox. Way to long shifting ways (a second to change gears??) and when it hits the limiter, the gear- knob bounces around like a pogo stick on ecstasy. Plus, you obviously need a hammer, to get the gears in.
If you do it wrong, do it wrong the right way and put a flappy paddle gearbox in for god sake =P
testhamster 2 years ago
Flappy paddle gearboxes are for people who can't drive. All real car enthusiasts like gear knobs much better. Ex. Jeremy Clarkson and the rest of the Top Gear presenters, Jay Leno, Lewis Hamilton, Michael Schumacher. And no, just because the car's suspension is stiff and the engine is very powerful causes the gear shift to move a little. And I don't know who it was (Road and Track or Car and Driver), but they reported the gear shifting to actually be very good.
iXetsuei 2 years ago
what a stupid comment. f1 cars have flappy paddles. so those drivers cant drive? jeremy clarkson is old, and so is everyone else you listed so they like what they are used to. i have never heard of schumacher saying that. name anyone ever using a gear knob shifting in less than 60 miliseconds.
thedyerfive 2 years ago
You're fucking stupid. There's no other word for it. Do you know why they don't use manual shifters in Formula 1 cars?
1)Not enough room in the cockpit
2)They don't shift enough
It's not like Dodge made this car for FIA GT competitions, no! They made it to be a drivers car. But of course, you completely blow my comment out of proportion just like a stupid person would. No, of course Formula 1 drivers are not bad. But flappy paddles on road cars take away the involvement in driving.
iXetsuei 2 years ago 2
agreed
jorom90 2 years ago
But if you think driving with flappy paddles is just as hard as driving with a real manual gearbox, then once again you're fucking stupid. It is A LOT easier to use flappy paddles than a fully manual gearbox, which means it takes a lot more skill to drive the car. Who do you think had it easier driving the car around the Ring, the person in the Maserati MC12 or this guy in the Viper ACR? Quit being so fucking stupid.
iXetsuei 2 years ago
i know its easier to use them ass. never said it wasnt. saying no skill was dumb cuz the best drivers make a living off of using them. its smarter to put them in a high performance vehicle cuz its is going to give you the best results
thedyerfive 2 years ago
Saying the best drivers making a living off of it is a monumentally terrible argument. It should be pretty self explanatory, but I'm just going to say how well they can shift is a SMALL FRACTION of their complete driving ability. And it is smarter, but hardly anyone really likes flappy paddles anyway. You're much more involved in the drive with a regular stick. Even a stick sequential would be much better than flappy paddles.
iXetsuei 2 years ago
AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :DDDDD
Porterrage 2 years ago
This guy must be used to Automatics
testify221 2 years ago
ha pretty sure he is used to anything you throw at him. he knows what he is doing. one of the best drivers out there
thedyerfive 2 years ago
I'm sure that the 'Ring record is worth the repairs to the transmission or the whole viper itself.
vr00m123 2 years ago
go mopar!!!
randomguyfromtexas 2 years ago
This driver loves the rev limiter and it seems to come too soon. Note to Dodge, make the redline 7K or 8K.
Stealthsoldier20 2 years ago
Dodge shouldn't change the engine, the driver should change his driving style. I don't think he knows about the Viper's low end power, so he should have shifted up. The car could have handled it
Refort610 2 years ago 2
sometimes bouncing off the limiter is the way to go, as opposed to wasteing time shifting back and forth, although there were a couple times I think he would have been better off upshifting. He also missed the 2-3 shift twice, this lapper could have been faster if I was behind the wheel, haha just kidding, or am I?
FalconPunch1978 2 years ago 14
Well, Tom is a good driver already, but he races for Seat which has a high revving engine that makes all it's power at high RPMs. This is his first time in a Viper ACR, so he's not used to having the engine at low RPMs, where there is a ton of power and torque compared to other cars. I do get what you're saying though. I'm just curious if someone else is going to attempt to break that record with another ACR
Refort610 2 years ago
Yeah, I have to agree this guy definitely knows what he is doing, and for anyone to run that fast at the ring is impressive. My dream is for someone to give me a crack at breaking this guys time, or even to just bring my car there and run a couple laps would be enough to make me happy.
FalconPunch1978 2 years ago
@FalconPunch1978
Hehe with all the turns and he only mis shifted twice, gotta give the guy credit ;)
KevinSaale 10 months ago
Alot of the vids i've seen of cars lapping the 'Ring, it's definitely worth bouncing off the limiter rather than wasting time shifting, especially since the Viper doesn't have paddle-shift...just the way I like it. For a car not geared for the track, 7:22 is damn impressive. Maybe a little taller rear axle ratio to suit the driver.
Polar5g 2 years ago
This thing sounds insane.
vexersa 2 years ago
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This piece of shit is not stock assholes! And he is fucking alone at track!! Only 600 hp from over 8 l, poorly.
jostenmetal 2 years ago
Yes it is stock. It comes from the factory, along with all the other Vipers, built this way. I don't know why people like you have such a hard time grasping that. 600bhp from an 8.4L engine, you're only looking at the peak horsepower. The engine makes so much power at lower RPMs, more then any other car.
Refort610 2 years ago 3
20,832 m (68,350 ft) 7:22 BMW M3 CSL Supercharged Richard Göransson 4 november 2007
NoObStYlE2k7 2 years ago
The Viper is stock.
Refort610 2 years ago 2
8,4l V12 vs. 3,2l loaded R6
600ps vs. 530ps
NoObStYlE2k7 2 years ago
Viper is a V10, not V12. It's also stock from the factory vs a modded car.
Refort610 2 years ago
ok, its a V10.. but this car is not stock too
NoObStYlE2k7 2 years ago
actually yes it is...it has a radio, air-conditioning, and you can buy it, as is, from any dodge dealership...this is a completely stock car..
ImTheBestSkater 2 years ago
if the company sells it like that thn its stock o the company and its counted as a production car so therefore its stock just like nissan gtr m spec or saleen s7 comp all stock
zabuza182 2 years ago
its the hardcore package, so no ac,etc. and its modded from the factory, not streetable
carmodifire 2 years ago
It is street legal. Modded from the factory? That's an oxymoron. All 2008 ACRs has AC, including the hardcore package
Refort610 2 years ago
yes. i mean that non-streetable means that it is street legal, but not practical, hence not streetable. however, i still like the acr and if a car is good and affordable(relatively speaking) then why hate it? i read that in an article that the hardcore package dont have ac..........?
carmodifire 2 years ago
They took out the audio system, underhood sound deadening material and trunk carpeting and replaced door panels with carbon fiber. In the older ACRs (1999-2002) some of those weren't equiped with AC
Refort610 2 years ago
oh. but are the old acr's good compared to this one, or is there a significant gap if performance between this and the older ones?
carmodifire 2 years ago
There is a big gap between 99-02 GTS ACRs and 2008 ACRs. However, the GTS ACR was a very well performing car for its time period. You can see one in the related videos section under "Race - Dodge Viper ACR vs. Porsche 996 tt"
Refort610 2 years ago
ok.
carmodifire 2 years ago
lazy driver !!!!
what u need is automatic gear. get it before u destroy ur manual trasmission !!!
DCSAmimd 2 years ago
ansd he didnt even hit that fith gear at the final straight
zabuza182 2 years ago
man that viper must pick up fast cause it over revs right before the turns. must be hard to drive that car. But i bet without that miss shift he could of got 7:20 at least! but still hard car to drive. Crazy though
zabuza182 2 years ago
Actually, much easier to drive than a newer Z06 - shifter becomes butter at 9/10s and the engine does heel/toe very well. The back end just will not break loose, unless you overpower it in the turn (judicious use of throttle suggested, as the torque at all rpms over 3k is incredible). FYI
VenomousTDC 2 years ago
He actually pulled two mis-shifts; so maybe under 7:20
ImTheBestSkater 2 years ago
What a beautiful sound. I could just sit there and listen to it for hours.
ExiExi 2 years ago 2
im not really a dodge fan but i must say this car is a beast!!!
vidal2jz 2 years ago
For those who are saying he needs to shift are idiots, everytime he runs into the limiter he is about to enter a turn and its rediculous to try to shift because your not gonna even get it into gear by the time your in the turn. A motor like the Viper is made to take some abuse...look at the MOPAR D1GP SRT-10. The only modifications for the ring time from the production car was a racing harness for safety.
DriftRugger 2 years ago 2
Not every time. At least a few times he rides the limiter for neary a second before shifting up. That and the two missed shifts. I have no problem with someone hitting and riding the limitter a little, but this goes a bit far the other way, I think. Most don't ride the limitter enough. Still, really nice, clean work for a car so different from what he usually drives. Impressive.
haygoodb 2 years ago
Estos autos son muy caros y muy veloces y el sonido del motor es asombroso.
Qusiera estar al volante de un Vyper.
COBHCsnake 2 years ago
Really!! WOW!
kaetos03 2 years ago
¿Quien dijo que el Viper solo era potencia bruta?. El chasis parece muy efectivo.
SenPuntos 2 years ago
guarantee a McLaren F1 GTR would take it.....
vlbballa15 3 years ago
Dude, the Bugatti Veron wasnt even able to beat it.
xxMafia101 2 years ago
cuz it is to heavy
gagopj 2 years ago
Those bounces off the rev limiter make me cringe. And was he bottoming out alot? It sounded like the car was scraping and banging against the road.
Lethaone 3 years ago
240zguy240 ur retarded.....im talkin about when hes on the straight.....and if he is hitting the rev limiter soo often he's actually hurting the engine and could bend valves and doesn't that mean he should get a better defrential for longer gears???? der der der imagine how much faster he'd be
vlbballa15 3 years ago
actually he is right it would be a waste of time to shift. and this is a custom built engine, two seconds on the rev limiter wont hurt the engine.
thadius33 3 years ago
Agree with you there. The only high end car that breaks the easy is a TVR(from what i have heard anyway)
vincent3302003 3 years ago
WHAT??!!
This engine isn't "Custom" built.
This engine is made on an assembly line.
It's the same engine that goes into all the other Vipers built this year.
Dumbass.
This car is totally stock. If you ordered a Dodge Viper ACR, that's the car your would get, there's nothing"custom" about.
Sure there are some aftermarket parts installed by Dodge.
But nothing other thatn mods made be the Dodge Corporation.
FTA!
Saxmachine345 3 years ago
if an engine cant take a few seconds bouncing off the rev limiter it isnt worth putting in a car. Even though the engine is stock, its still a performance based engine. so its just doing what it was made to do.
thadius33 3 years ago
the radicall is not legal in the us,the viper is practicaly a muscle car,were talking legal production cars here people,if were ganna talk about ellegal bring on the racing viper,
osbaldo00 3 years ago
what happened at 6:37?? it looked like he didnt get it into gear or something...could that have effected the record time???
240zguy240 3 years ago
The ACR is so awesome that Chuck Norris would drive it!
JeepAmerica 3 years ago
He'd be a little cautious with it though. He had owned one in the past and he kept spinning it. No damage, luckily.
Refort610 3 years ago
needs to change the gears..they are too short and he keeps hitting the rev limiter, not good for motor and could be ALOT faster at that track..and I don't see how that is the lap record with those weaknesses
vlbballa15 3 years ago
was thinking the same thing
TTOIA 3 years ago
you would think that a professional driver would thinkof this before he set a record right? actually...hitting the rev limiter is actually saving time because if he changes gears for that short of time then he will actually lose time.
240zguy240 3 years ago
It's a race car..they engineered it so people can drive the piss out of them..hitting the rev limiter like he was is perfectly fine
doober9091 3 years ago
i drive better than u
supraman181 3 years ago
You drive better then a guy that races for a living?
Refort610 3 years ago
the straight alone was awful to listen to as the rev limiter chattered.the car just plain ran out of gear....that thing needed a 7th gear or something,god damn
dwiggs77 3 years ago
He was in 4th gear down the straight
Refort610 3 years ago
this viper takes a beating everytime he lets the car hit the rev limiter.
this car's potential is its handling, im sure. the car probably corners so fast that not even the power of the corvette can catch up
dautolover 3 years ago
could have an even better time without grinding the rev limiter and miss-shifts ... a good solution to the ZR1 ;-]
tvorchay 3 years ago
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It doesn't even look all that fast.
bubbajan21 3 years ago
If it doesn't look fast then why does it hold the record
nad77772 3 years ago
I wasn't saying it wasn't fast, I was saying it makes it look effortless. This is one of my favorite cars and I didn't mean that to put down the car.
Sorry For The Confusion
bubbajan21 3 years ago
Then you should have said the car is way faster than it looks
nad77772 3 years ago
Why does it hold the record? Well, it doesn't the Radical SR8 does.
Rabbibunny 3 years ago
If it does why can't I see it in record lists (production car lists is what I look at not tuned). I also already seen that some guy thought that the Radical SR8 was a production car
nad77772 3 years ago
Radical claim it is both a production sportscar, and that it holds the lap record around the Nürburgring Nordschleife, so take the argument up with them. The SR8 is road legal in Europe.
Rabbibunny 3 years ago
im pretty sure id rather drive a car on a highway than a go-kart!
venomviper32 3 years ago
I'll give you that one
ilikechocolatecake 3 years ago
I love it...it is simply awesome!
Demonspeeder1 3 years ago
This is crazy, it has less power than an Enzo and still beats it, that means it's not all power but sophistication
mavs972 3 years ago
Well the rev limiter works, now to install those stiffer motor and trans mounts so the shifter nob doesn't vibrate off.
bitchtastic 3 years ago
i love how whenever i come onto a video that shows a car that beats the GTR there is always someone in there that is still saying that the GTR is faster. for the last time no it isn't. if you did research you would know that and wouldn't look like a complete dumbass
juggalo1021 3 years ago 3
Who cares which car is quicker? Both cars are awesome in their own ways. The Viper is just a beast! I love it. It uses a massive rear wing, huge rear tires and a monster V10 to muscle it's way around the Ring. The GTR uses a medium capacity twin turbo v6, flappy paddle gearbox and high tech AWD chassis to slice it's way around. Both cars are so different in their approach and yet both cars are blindingly fast. It's different strokes for different folks. Variety is the spice of life! Amen...
ninjagarage 8 months ago
That's a viper, rattling it's gear leaver like a pit viper rattles it's tail
thrillathakilla 3 years ago 2
wow he almost wiped hard at 2:43
nicknpo 3 years ago
what's with hitting the rev limiter so much?
carsismeZ06 3 years ago
its stops him changing gear and wasting time. he hittin the rev limiter when he changes gear because he is keepin his foot flat to the floor whilst puttin da cluctch in to change gear
robbo152094 3 years ago
The new ZR1 time is 7:22.4 pretty much a virtual tie with the ACR. Good job Dodge and GM. Now that GM has a pro driver I wonder who will break 7:20 first
brutman58 3 years ago
The Driver makes a lot of Mistakes...
So the time could be better! I think they could beat 7:20 - they have to set the rev limiter at higher rpm.
But I would prefer another Car. The Nordschleife is a track with long high speed roads, but in curves the Viper is not so fast as you can see because of the high weight.
But the cars could go much faster.
The record has still the Porsche 956 driven by Stefan Bellof. the time is 6:11 !!!
ok, its a race car, but they can go faster...
Dnaracer01 3 years ago
The curves the Viper is fast, that's the reason why it has the record
Refort610 3 years ago
Wait, are you saying the acr doesnt handle well?
SidewaysGts 3 years ago
No, it is may be ok to handle, but it can´t be handele as well as other supercars because of the high weight. This is physically impossible.
a 1500kg Car can not be handle really quick.
The Nordschleife has got big high speed curves, that is the fact why that thing is so fast.
Test this beast on another Track, may the Nürburgring Grand Prix track and the car will loose. compaire it with a handling car like a Lancia Delta S4.
Anyway, it is a great car.
Dnaracer01 3 years ago
Physically impossible? Please dont bring up physics, because it is apparant you do not understand them. Light weight is a nice nice perk, but it does not show a cars "potential" when it comes to handling. Just look at the ome of cars in the s class autocross and compare them to lower classses and their weights.
The acr handles as well as most "super cars", and exceeds many.
And the s4 would get destroyed, it was great- for its time, 20 years ago. Its suspension and chassis dont compare
SidewaysGts 3 years ago
As is said, the Viper is fast! Really fast for a street legal road car.
But it is the question for what you use the car... a Lamborghini Murcielago isn´t a lightweight, too. they are both fast...
But as i said, I would prefer another car.
It is very difficult to drive such a Car at German roads. Use a small track and I can show you what I want to say.
The Car is perfect for the Nordschleife, because of good aerodynamiks and a lot of power an tourque. But for other tracks - other cars.
Dnaracer01 3 years ago
I think I know what you're getting at. Faster around higher speed corners than most cars and slower at slow speed corners, right? The Viper may not be faster than some cars around slower corners, but it does handle well around the due to suspension. Weight is a factor, but it's not the only fator.
Refort610 3 years ago
thanks, thats what I want to say!
Dnaracer01 3 years ago
Youre free to prefer other cars, i myself do as well. However the problem is hte fact remains- this car isnt just destroying cars on high speed tracks. This car is destroying them across the board- Small technical tracks and large tracks alike.
Its actualy the highspeed non-technical courses where it doesnt fair well- it accelerates slower than the srt-10
SidewaysGts 3 years ago
can you tell me, why the most use old cars at hillclimb races and slalom races?
No?
They use them beacuse of their leight weight.
I was a passenger of a Delta S4. The car has 800kg and 600HP, 4WD, streetlegal, you can not imagine how this car can fly, really.
And I already have driven a original Viper by my own. It was ok, awesome acceleration but the handling was not so good. And the car was really agressive at the limit. like a Viper as an animal
And that´s why I prefer anot. Car
Dnaracer01 3 years ago
Dont assume and make an ass of you and me. yes i can tell you. Two big reasons actually, a platforms rigidity limitations are no longer as much of a concern when its basicly a racecage wearing whatever chassis. And second, almot all of the hill climb events are amateur, the cash being used is far less. Things change when the buy in on your car is over 100 thousand.
If the s4 could out handle the viper, itd be in use today modified to make more power to compete. Fact is, its not.
SidewaysGts 3 years ago
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Dnaracer01 3 years ago
WOw this driver was revving this hardd!...good driving. And all the people who are backing up GTR, GTR is a good car, but this is faster because it is an ACR (Race Edition). I think the GTR on 'Ring was a consumer available option.
Faisdragon 3 years ago
The ACR is a "consumer available", street legal, factory stock car that anyone can buy at any Dodge dealership..
omcx1 3 years ago 2
So is the ZR1 yet the ZR1 was truely bone stock.
The viper is shit, its track run wasn't even stock....
ZR-1:General Motors conducted test,[3][4][5] base specification car with stock tires and non-stock safety equipment, video confirmed
Viper SRT-10 ACR: Chrysler conducted test,Motor Trend confirmed, Hardcore Package option, non-stock race seat with a six-point harness, suspension alterations, aero adjustments, video confirmed...
ZR1 was truely stock, Viper not so much so shut the hell up.
larsen550 3 years ago
Learn to read moron. The "Hardcore Package" is a factory option and all it does is delete the stereo, underhood pad, trunk carpet, and tire inflator. The adjustable suspension and aero are STOCK idiot. That is why the 'ring officials gave it the STOCK vehicle record. The only non-stock piece was Coronel's seat. And don't forget that he set this record on only his 3rd lap ever in a Viper. The ZR1 was driven by one of GM's top drivers who is more familiar with th ZR1 than anyone. Deal with it.
omcx1 3 years ago 3
Not even a stock class... Stock means all stock! That is a race car sold publically... The ZR1 is a street car.... Fuck off you know the ACR is not stock at all.
larsen550 3 years ago
no stock means stock
a car that comes of a conveyor is stock... dumbass
zr1 is shit...
lobzdik 3 years ago
It is amazing how stupid some people are. "Stock" means exactly as delivered from the factory, IDIOT. That ACR is exactly as it was delivered to the dealer except for the driver's seat. You can talk out of your ass all you want. The ACR was stock, the ring officials agreed it was stock, and they gave it the official "Stock" record. End of story.
omcx1 3 years ago
ACR is just a normal viper with a body kit and some suspension tweaks.... the ZR1 is a FAR more exotic incarnation of the vette then the ACR is of the Viper.
djacobox372 3 years ago
Are you shitting me? What a fucking dumbass you are... How can you say far more exotic when the only difference is the glass showing the engine on the Vette. And the Viper has adjustable suspension, a wing, and no options basically!
larsen550 3 years ago
noting special about a supercharged 7.0L V8 being fast...
lobzdik 3 years ago
ZR1 isn't 7 liters dumbass...
larsen550 3 years ago
ok 6.2...
my point still stands
lobzdik 3 years ago
Whats so special about an 8.4L Aluminum V10 being fast? A V8 keeping up with a V10 is pretty fucking special moron.
larsen550 3 years ago
youre clearly the moron
its a supercharged v8, so absolutely nothing special, even shameful that it only keeps up
and yes nothing special about a 8.4L v10 being fast...
nothing special about any of the american engines for that matter...
lobzdik 3 years ago
Except that they produce the same or more HP and more torque without forced induction than European and Japanese designs do with it while maintaining a simplicity of design that makes them far less expensive to maintain and far less prone to failure.
omcx1 3 years ago 2
they produce the same HP by having two ir three times the capacity of a European or Japanese engine...
and if you're calling German and Japanese cars less reliable than American cars... then lol
ur not very smart
lobzdik 3 years ago