Pakistan battles cause civilian casualties - 10 Oct 07

[pashtoonnotpaki]

pakista u will pay for each blood drop ur cuming future is fucked now u willll neva sucess form now this is a pashtoon promise to ur black fuckers land we will bomb ur citys now we will show u how to killlll don rule on us u will be down wht will mak u go down koz u r blak ugly and we are white fuck u pakistan pashtooonistannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn­nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn for lyffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[kalewaal]

fuck napak army. fuck america fuck musharraf! mother fuckers

[ghanirfan]

man try to understand this is not the right time to react forecely against super powers for u should have to be progressed in every field of life not only in islamic prayers.

[ghanirfan]

plz man u hav no right to say anything wrong about anyone. what do u mean if u think that we call the Islamic lovers as taliban then we r also taliban. because islamism is the internal matter of every muslim . no one has need to express his islamism to others. but u know whats the problem u ppl dont ready to accept the softness of globally circumstances against muslims and especially for Pakistan.

[falconflight1]

what the fuck with some stupid ignorants over here. better don put comments who don know abt pashtoons way of life. in waziristan or in majority of pashtoon population they have love for islam, and these fucking paki call every1 who have love for islam as taliban. if this is the case then I am big talib. Its a revolution for victory and imposition of islam. Long live pashtoons and taliban revolution

[saludada]

// These civilians caught up in the fighting shouldn't have to put up with the Hell on Earth that Haqqani and Haji Omar have inflicted on Waziristan. //

Hello?

Did you forget the actual people who bombed their homes & killed their loved ones? People like Mush

[rehan8649]

ppl who write such comments r not human. they see the world from their tv screens and classify the world into extremists and moderates. they cant feel the suffering and pain that these ppl go thru, instead they say that they deserved it. i hope sumthing like this happens to everyone who supports these actions and to their families, then they wud know what its like

[Inkan1969]

Religious fundamentalists who want to destroy everyone who does not believe what they believe are the inhuman ones. And I never said any civilian deserved this. And if you hope for that you just give people reasons to hate you.

[rehan8649]

"And I never said any civilian deserved this"

inkan1969 read ur comment above instead of lying, this is what u wrote earlier.

"Hell is for the Taliban and foolish people in Waziristan who ally with them"

i guess i dont need to say anything else, ur words themselves speak for ur hypocricy

[Inkan1969]

I apologize for not being clearer. By "foolish people" I meant the local militants taking up arms along the Taliban. Not anyone unarmed who's caught in the crossfire, like these people in the video.

[rehan8649]

all these people support the taleban, the mush regime has no support there, thats why they r killing innocent people. just like americans kill innocent ppl in afghanistan cos of their support to the taleban. dont change ur words now and act like ur all innocent and didnt say anything wrong

[Inkan1969]

I'm not changing my words. I meant the militants fighting alongside the Taliban. My only mistake was not being clear enough. No Musharraf support does not mean Taliban support. Civilians supporting the Taliban either do so under duress or are unhappy with police corruption. The answer to that is to force police and province officials to be honest and to increase police presence so the people can have their security.

[rehan8649]

ok stop making a fool of urself. ur comments repeatedly show how little u know abt this area. dude there is no police in the tribal areas, never was. they have their own system of governance, the pakistani govt has no access there. now stop arguing with me cos u know NOTHING abt this area or its people and u act as if u know a lot. to think i was arguing all this time with sum1 who doesnt even know the basic facts lol

[Inkan1969]

That's the problem. No police in the tribal areas. At the very least their system of governence should be connected to the central government. If it's not, how can you the militants are Pakistan's "own people"? Pakistan needs access to the FATA, to provide schools and infrastructure. Without that, the only thing left are the extremist madrassas corrupted by the Taliban.

[rehan8649]

lol so now that ur lack of knowledge abt pakistan and the tribal areas is exposed, u try to present solutions to our problems. u know what just mind ur own business, we know our problems and we'll deal with them in whatever way we deem fit. keep ur solutions to urself cos u know NOTHING abt this area or its ppl

[Inkan1969]

We'd mind our own business if al-Qaeda didn't stick its business in ours.

[jayz2cool]

Al-Jazeera = BBC. It's not the original Al-Jazeera but only in the name.

[Inkan1969]

The Americans should've payed the attention they owed to the Mujehadeen, for their sacrifice in fighting the communists. The U.S. owed them that. Instead we got chaos, and the people regrettably turned to the Taliban's evil, the same way desperate Germans turned to the Nazis' evil.

[rehan8649]

mush bush r closer to the nazis than the taliban there the ones who have got the blood of THOUSANDS of innocents on their hands there the ones who have let loose killing fields the people still support taliban while hitler had his support only while he was in power just like mush will be thrown into the dustbins of history like hitler when hes removed from power grmans turned to hitler after ww1 the same way amricns turned to bush after 911 uve got ur comparisons wrong

[Inkan1969]

No, it doesn't matter what good or bad Bush or Musharraf is ( Why do you insist that if you oppose the Taliban you support either of those two? It's not a black and white world. ). The Taliban was a desparate choice out of chaos just as the Nazis were.

[rehan8649]

and bush was a desperate choice in a time of chaos just as nazis were otherwise he deserves to be impeached and musharraf well he was never realy a choice he just held the country hostage at gunpoint and imposed himself on us just like saddam hussain did and he became hitler except hitler killed jews and musharraf butchers muslims hitler came to power thru people power while musharraf came to power illegally through gun power so mush is actually worse than hitler in that sense

[Inkan1969]

Will you get it through your head that opposing the Taliban and the Waziristan militants does not mean you support Musharraf?

[rehan8649]

good so u agree that musharraf is a traitor and a butcher then?

[Inkan1969]

Sure. A military dictatorship is a bad idea.

[rehan8649]

still didnt see u condemn mush the butcher.

[rehan8649]

"The Americans should've payed the attention they owed to the Mujehadeen, for their sacrifice in fighting the communists. The U.S. owed them that"

what exactly do u mean by "attention"?

[Inkan1969]

Financial aid. Mediation between factions, so that the fighters would not turn into warlords and fight against each other. Reconstruction.

[rehan8649]

they didnt have any interest in all that stuff. all they r interested in is war, bringing death and destruction to the world so they can sell their guns and weapons and in looting the resources of other countries by occupying them and killing as much people as possible on the way so they can terrorize people into not fighting against them. no wonder then that al-qaeda and taliban r fighting their oppression.

[Inkan1969]

al-Qaeda and Taliban are not fighting oppression. They are fighting to plunge the world into their own nightmare world.  If their propaganda says they're fighting oppression they lie.

[rehan8649]

ok so u must know whats in the taleban's hearts then. u must be God then cos u know they r lying. they r fighting the american occupying army, simple as that. i see nothing wrong in defending ur country.

[Inkan1969]

They are fighting to enslave Afghanistan again, not to defend their country. The U.S./ISAF/NATO are opposing their evil plan. But GW Bush is too incompetant to do the job. So we get too few troops, not enough law enforcement, too many airstrikes that hurt civilians, and time waste in Iraq. If they had done a better job, the Taliban would've long been defeated, Afghanistan could've been more stable and able to enforce the law against warlords and corruption, and the troops would've left.

[rehan8649]

oh so being ruled by islamic shariah law is enslavement (which the ppl actually supported btw) but being occupied by foreign forces who bomb out ur country and regularly attack villages and weddings killing many civilians is not enslavement but helping the country. what country r u from anyway? id like to see if u wud support foreign occupation of ur own country, but i guess U probably wudnt mind.

[Inkan1969]

The Taleban perverted Shariah, twisting it to their oppressive vision where women could not be educated at all and unislamic images had to be destroyed.

[rehan8649]

and abt the buddha statues, do u even know the background to y they did it? the UN wanted to spend millions on the maintenance of those statues. the taliban told them that there were children in afghanistan dying cos of poverty, feed them first. on UN's refusal they said we'll blow up those statues. u feel a lot of pain on statues being destroyed, what abt the mosques being torn down in islamabad by mush govt, or being bombed down in iraq by USA.

[Inkan1969]

Just blow them up? That was stupid. I didn't say I didn't feel anything bad for mosques that have been damaged, like the Samarra mosque, or the one Indian extremists tore down to build some hindu temple. They're all human treasures. But the Taliban would destroy all non-Islamic ones.

[rehan8649]

"But the Taliban would destroy all non-Islamic ones"

really? which other non-islamic buildings have the taleban destroyed? please name one. and if u feel pain abt mosques being destroyed spray sum of ur venom on the americans and the kafir mush govt instead of on the taleban.

[Inkan1969]

Most paintings at the Kabul museum had to be repainted, else the Taliban would destroy them as graven images. I heard OBL influenced the Taliban to destroy the Buddhas. I bet Dr. Zawahiri would destroy the Great Pyramids if he could, them being pagan. And why can't I spray deserved venom on both?

[rehan8649]

"I bet Dr. Zawahiri would destroy the Great Pyramids if he could, them being pagan"

i asked for any other non-islamic building that the taliban destroyed, and this is the answer u give me? r u real? keep ur bets to urself, we're not talkig abt what sum1 might do, im asking u for what they DID , not ur fantaises abt what they might do. shows ur credibility.

[rehan8649]

abt womens education, yes i disagree with them on that point. in islam education is compulsory upon every male and female. maybe they didnt allow it cos they were still technically at war.

[rehan8649]

the taliban cannot be defeated because the taleban r the people of afghanistan and they will continue to fight for freedom from occupation, even if they have to for centuries cos thats in their customs and traditions. they r a proud ppl who have never let any foreign power rule them, they have defeated the british russians and now its america's turn

[Inkan1969]

No way are the Taleban the Afghan people. They are not even the Pashtun people. The Afghan people will resist their Hell and rule themselves.

[rehan8649]

"No way are the Taleban the Afghan people. They are not even the Pashtun people"

lol that shows how much u know abt the situation there. mate the taliban r 100% pashtun, get educated b4 u act like u know everything. the afghan ppl will resist the hell of america and kick them out of their country, like they kicked out the british and the russians. its not called the graveyard of invaders for nothing

[Inkan1969]

But the Pashtuns are not 100% Taliban. You keep replacing "Taliban" with "afghan people" to misrepresent your baloney rhetoric. They are not one and the same.

[rehan8649]

the taleban is an all-pashtun movement supported by the majority of afghanis, whether pashtun or not. now quit repeating the propaganda u heard on cnn and get educated cos u obviously know nothing abt that area.

[Inkan1969]

Yeah, sure they are...

[Inkan1969]

No, the people who then formed al-Qaeda turned against them. Karzai is called that because George W. Bush and NATO don't want to commit the number of troops Afghanistan really needs to defeat the Taliban and be free of warlords. Bush stupidly wasted time and lives on Iraq instead.

[Inkan1969]

What happened was the Bush, Sr., and Clinton administrations making the mistake of forgetting about Afghanistan after 1989. If they had kept paying attention maybe the mujehadeen governments would've evolved peacefully. But their inattention instead contributed to the factions falling apart, and people making the Satan's deal of embracing the Taliban's tyranny as a false way out of the chaos.

[Inkan1969]

Yes, it does. It means they don't want to fully be a part of the whole country.

[rehan8649]

who wants to be a part of a country which kills its own people, kidnaps them and sells them over to the us never to be heard of again ruled by a brutal tyrant who has held the country hostage for 8 yrs thru the gun and has now gotten 5 more yrs? there is more rule of law in the tribal areas than there is in islamabad where the butcher has made the law subservient to his desires i dont blame them for not wanting to be part of this country occupied by the kafir army who take their orders from USA

[Inkan1969]

No to the Taliban tyranny that passes for rule of law in the areas under their thumb.

[rk401]

Lets see, Pakistan air force attacks its own cities, just few days back they deported their own prime minister to another country, pakistani hero scientist AQKhan is under house arrest...I think Musharraf is a RAW agent.

[Inkan1969]

First these militants are fiercely independent from the government. Now their cities are Pakistan's "own cities"?

[Insurgent25]

Thnx christians :)

[NecrocoRp]

I have one question.

Dont you peapole where anny normal cloths?

You all where the same cloths why?

[DeunicmacTube]

hmmmmmm necrocorp telling people what to wear.

Adolf Hitler said:

"Let me control the *TEXTBOOKS* and I will control the state"

[rehan8649]

a question like that had to come from a country like iceland. dude r u guys even a country? uve got a population of hardly 200,000 (just checked) and ur telling a country of 160 million ppl with a rich and diverse culture and history abt what to wear? countries like urs dont even have a history or culture to talk abt so stop talkin abt others. mind ur own business

[indiaknight]

East pakistan wanted freedom and got it. Now Waziristan, Balochistan, Sind want freedom and may or may not get it. Is ISLAM a basis for creating a country like pakistan out of INDIA ? NO.

[indiaknight]

The muslim civilians killed by paki army inside pakistan is several times more than all the muslims whether jihadis or civilians killed in kashmir. Similarly more paki armymen are killed inside pakistan than indian armymen inside india. Is pakistan a FAILED STATE ? YES.

[indiaknight]

Paki army kills innocent civilians in waziristan, balochistan and karachi. They did the same in East pakistan where millions of innocent bengali muslims were raped and masacarred and that resulted in Bangladesh. Now paki army is killing muslims in waziristan, balochistan and karachi. Was pakistan created for muslims ? NO.

[Inkan1969]

The India-Pakistan conflict is an entirely different issue. Pro-India partisans trying to take advantage of this crisis, keep out.

[indiaknight]

pakistan is in crisis again now, after East pakistan fought and attained Independence in 1971. The very basis of creation of Pakistan is in doubt. Waziristan and Balochistan want FREEDOM. Will they fight pakistan army and attain INDEPENDENCE ?

[Inkan1969]

Why don't you stop hiding Mullah Mohamed Omar in your Quetta and kick him out before you slam the army?

[rehan8649]

REVOLUTION IN PAKISTAN!!!

[Inkan1969]

Yes, revolution against the Islamists in the Northwest and in the ISI who are holding Pakistan and Afghanistan hostage in a fundamentalist nightmare.

[arrivingdesignation]

Curse on pakistani slave army and their allies; These animals are the victim of their mortal desires, soon they would see the fall. now these animals are targeting civilians, what does that mean that they have lost so many soldiers.shame on dictatorshit and the people who supports pakistan army's terrorism.

[ArunReginald]

Hey any more news on this story. My father's a doctor in Bannu and I am pretty worried all the way up here in London.

[Inkan1969]

I hope you can contact him. Take care.

[ArunReginald]

Thank you Inkan1969. I talked to my father last night and he is fine. Although, the hospitals are flooding with patients now. And surprisingly, most of the people are actually innocent civilians rather than the military or the tribal fighters.

My father says it's a common thing hearing missiles buzzing overhead when you go to bed.

[Inkan1969]

I'm sorry to hear about the civilian injuries. I hope the army can think its strategy through about how best to fight the militants.

The military probably has their own hospital facilities. Who knows what the militants have?

[Inkan1969]

Musharraf deserves a dog's death. And the Waziristan Taliban deserve a PIG's death.

[Inkan1969]

Public execution on the streets? Who's bloodthirsty now?

[rehan8649]

listen boy wtf r u talking abt? i dont accept musharraf's authority cos he has occupied the country thru the power of the gun, does that mean he has the right to kill me? he has the blood of thousands of innocents on his hands, asking for justice to be brought to him doesnt mean im bloodthirsty. stop defending ur "dear leader" in everything, he's a dead man.

[Inkan1969]

Maybe not you, but Pakistan has a right to kill the armed militants who threaten the country and the whole world with their hate filled religious fundamentalism. I don't care about Musharraf, go ahead and replace him, with someone willing to stop the Taliban evil once and for all.

[rehan8649]

those armed militants r pakistanis, and the founder of pakistan jinnah signed a treaty with them in 1947, which stated that pak army wud not go in the tribal areas. mush broke that treaty cos he wants to please the americans. hes gonna be responsible for yet another breakup of pakistan.

[Inkan1969]

What a terrible treaty. The treaty let al-Qaeda and its religious extremisn take over. It should never have been written.

[rehan8649]

there was no al-qaeda there b4, suddenly when mushi butcher comes along, theres al-qaeda terrorism extremism taliban foreigners and what not. these r our own ppl and hes killing them. al-qaeda didnt come here by itself, they were brought here and trained by the same dirty filthy kafir pakistani army and their CIA bosses. of course back then u needed them to fight ur enemy, now that they've defeated them suddenly they've become terrorists from mujahideen. fucking double-faced bastard

[Inkan1969]

There WERE elements in the ISI and the government that were supporting the Taliban. That's why this action is needed: It's the army at last rejecting the Taliban sympathizers and fighting back.

[ovaisreza]

May God destroy Pakistan Army and its Master USA

[Inkan1969]

Hell is for the Taliban and foolish people in Waziristan who ally with them. The Taliban have perverted Islam for their bloodthirsty extremism.

[ovaisreza]

You see, north of my land, including peshawar and most of NWFP, every body has hindu blood! This is why you don't know what Islam and honor is! You are happy with your Islam, and your women putting on vile clothings and you tell us we would be in hell! Wait and see! We will send you Hindus from Karachi and pujabistan back to india don't worry, we have been doing this for past few thousand years!

[Inkan1969]

"vile clothings"? How come all your favorite videos are of sexy women wearing skimpy clothes and no hijabs, singing no less? You really like Sade. :-D

[Inkan1969]

Hah, hah. One of your Favorite videos of a Pashtun woman singing. Those Waziristan Taliban you're defending would execute you for liking to watch a Pashtun woman singing.

[scorpiooooooh]

Inkan1969 ...

I agree with you. People know the difference between right and wrong. Whether they allow the taliban to live among them by invitation or are too cowardly to expell them, they deserve what they get. They can do the right thing and stand up to the taliban, but they dont. They have chosen to support them or turn a blind eye or are just plain cowards, in any case, they are certainly not innocent.

[rehan8649]

ur the coward u pig, they r the ones fighting back for their honor. u just wudnt know what that means cos u dont have any honor.

[scorpiooooooh]

Honor?!?! you mean the kind of islamic honour that allows rapists to go free and the victim to be hanged. The same kind of honour they talk about when they speak of families murdering their daughters for the "HONOUR" of their family? Is that the kind of honour you speak of?

[rehan8649]

honor enough to not sit at home like women when they r being attacked by the napak kafir pakistan army. they fight back when they r attacked as wud any self-respecting person, but i guess u just wudnt know that feeling. i dont know where u get ur info abt rapists going free and victims hanged in islam, oh right the jewish-owned american media.

[Inkan1969]

Like women? You use "woman" as an insult? You're a pathetic man. Just like the Taliban who can't feel like men unless they boss women around and treat them like children. You know what is the punishment you and the militants deserve? Castration, that's it.

[rehan8649]

Allah compares those who sit at home when their brothers are fighting as women in the quran. its not an insult to be a woman but an insult to men who r too afraid to fight back. r u a muslim or a kafir? if ur a kafir then theres no point talking to u anyway. if ur a muslim then wud u also condemn Allah's words in the Quran? shame on u

[Inkan1969]

Why can't the women fight along with the men?

[rehan8649]

r u muslim? i think ur a hypocrite cos if u were a kafir u wud have attacked tha quran and islam already, and ur definitely trying to give the impression that ur not a muslim by asking such questions

[rehan8649]

y dont u ask Allah and His prophet y they made such laws, cos u seem to be smarter than them, im sure uve got much more hikmah than Allah swt

[SnuggeryBuggery]

Wouldn't be suprised if our ghoulish friends in the USAF have anything to do with this.

[rehan8649]

shame on the dictator for creating a bloodbath yet again. the only thing musharraf is good at is following american orders and killing his own people. if musharraf's killing sprees continue then pakistan is in for a revolution.

[Inkan1969]

If the militants don't want to recognize central authority or be a part of Pakistan, how can they be Musharraf's "own people"?

[rehan8649]

musharraf can goto hell, these people r pakistanis and more importantly our muslim brothers. the tyrant has the blood of thousands of innocent people on his hands, he will die a dog's death inshallah.

[Inkan1969]

Sure, Musharraf can go to Hell ( and that Supreme Court justice should be President instead ). And the Taliban, their ISI puppeteers, and Haqqani's and Haji Omar's zombies can JOIN him, to keep Zia ul Haq company.

[msgg81]

shame the people are victims once again

[Inkan1969]

That's the tragedy. These civilians caught up in the fighting shouldn't have to put up with the Hell on Earth that Haqqani and Haji Omar have inflicted on Waziristan.