What is the difference between 'Breaking' & 'Starting'? When they say On2 starts with first beat of 8, breaks on 2nd, ends at 3rd and rest at 4th for one of the two measures, I understand 'Breaking' is the edge of a momentum. Just after it the momentum takes reverse course. 3rd is backdoor & 4th (pause) is the preparation to start the other measure on 5th. 6th breaks the momentum again for forward action. This is the salsa cycle for On2. On1 starts and breaks the momentum on 1st.
Both dances, the NY Style and the LA style start on one and their counting is 1,2,3, hold.
The difference is that the LA style l break on 1 and the MY style break on 2.
The palladium style start on 2 and break on 2. The counting is 2,3,4,hold. The 1st measure is not exist with the palladium style. The palladium style is a truly an on 2 dance.
thanks for Zack for this excellent educational video. There is a general confusion around this topic. I think the reason for that is that people understand different things by the notion of "breaking on" - I think Zack got the point here: he is defining what he means by breaking on and what by dancing on. good job
I think your title "New York Style Myth" is unnecessary, provocative and offensive. You are not exposing any "myths" about New York Style. Even you admitted that New York Style is unique in your video. It starts on 1, breaks on 2. How is that a myth? Because you think it should be called "On1" instead of "On2"? That is just your opinion.
Based on my analysis and the definition of "Myth", I don't see any discrepancies.
Your reply to my detailed analysis fits to a sentence. Therefore your reply can be define as just an opinion, not mine.
"Unnecessary" -- false. It was necessary to attract attention. "Provocative" - naturally. After all I am swimming against the stream. "Offensive" -- not my fault. People feel offended when they encounter untraditional ideas that are the opposite of what they believe
As for your comments about breaking being an "irrelevant" difference, this comment is actually false because breaking is sometimes important. Female prepping for multiple right hand turns is one example where breaking On1 is not optimal for the woman. (See my full comments on your first video for other advantages of NY On2)
Please see my comments on the first video. NY dancers tend to step backwards on one as a matter of courtesy to the lady. They then break back on two. They do not usually step forwards on one, although they are entitled to do so, but this is considered bad manners.
Leader start stepping forward and ladies step backward with all ballroom dances including many Latin dances. Based on your assumption, all these guys have bad manners for generations. Your explanation is just an example of how myth evolves.
The real story behind this is bad leading. It was an easy choice for teachers to minimize the chance that students, who are naturally inexperienced leaders, would step on the girls when they start their first salsa step.
I am with you. However, since there are anyway many styles of Salsa, students naturally seek to categorize the dances so it would make sense to them. What I have done was clarifying the definitions so people could categorize the dances correctly.
Believe me. I am not confused about salsa. YOUR instructions are confusing, because you are attempting to clarify and define minutias of an ART. Dancing is not a science, it is very individual and emotional. And since it's origins are multifaceted, you can not squeeze it into categories.
Just cut to the chase...
this is what will explain it all: 3:56
Maximus3R4V 1 year ago
wow this is an excelent analysis man.. this vid is a definitely "added to my favs" keep it up
elacomedido 3 years ago
Hey Zack!
What is the difference between 'Breaking' & 'Starting'? When they say On2 starts with first beat of 8, breaks on 2nd, ends at 3rd and rest at 4th for one of the two measures, I understand 'Breaking' is the edge of a momentum. Just after it the momentum takes reverse course. 3rd is backdoor & 4th (pause) is the preparation to start the other measure on 5th. 6th breaks the momentum again for forward action. This is the salsa cycle for On2. On1 starts and breaks the momentum on 1st.
Dakhaduck 3 years ago
If I read correctly, then yes, you are correct.
Both dances, the NY Style and the LA style start on one and their counting is 1,2,3, hold.
The difference is that the LA style l break on 1 and the MY style break on 2.
The palladium style start on 2 and break on 2. The counting is 2,3,4,hold. The 1st measure is not exist with the palladium style. The palladium style is a truly an on 2 dance.
zacksdanceloft 3 years ago
thanks for Zack for this excellent educational video. There is a general confusion around this topic. I think the reason for that is that people understand different things by the notion of "breaking on" - I think Zack got the point here: he is defining what he means by breaking on and what by dancing on. good job
viktorazim 3 years ago
I think your title "New York Style Myth" is unnecessary, provocative and offensive. You are not exposing any "myths" about New York Style. Even you admitted that New York Style is unique in your video. It starts on 1, breaks on 2. How is that a myth? Because you think it should be called "On1" instead of "On2"? That is just your opinion.
paulmshepherd 4 years ago
Based on my analysis and the definition of "Myth", I don't see any discrepancies.
Your reply to my detailed analysis fits to a sentence. Therefore your reply can be define as just an opinion, not mine.
"Unnecessary" -- false. It was necessary to attract attention. "Provocative" - naturally. After all I am swimming against the stream. "Offensive" -- not my fault. People feel offended when they encounter untraditional ideas that are the opposite of what they believe
zacksdanceloft 4 years ago
As for your comments about breaking being an "irrelevant" difference, this comment is actually false because breaking is sometimes important. Female prepping for multiple right hand turns is one example where breaking On1 is not optimal for the woman. (See my full comments on your first video for other advantages of NY On2)
paulmshepherd 4 years ago
You are taking this word out of context. The topic is who dance on 2, not who spin better.
zacksdanceloft 4 years ago
Please see my comments on the first video. NY dancers tend to step backwards on one as a matter of courtesy to the lady. They then break back on two. They do not usually step forwards on one, although they are entitled to do so, but this is considered bad manners.
paulmshepherd 4 years ago
Leader start stepping forward and ladies step backward with all ballroom dances including many Latin dances. Based on your assumption, all these guys have bad manners for generations. Your explanation is just an example of how myth evolves.
The real story behind this is bad leading. It was an easy choice for teachers to minimize the chance that students, who are naturally inexperienced leaders, would step on the girls when they start their first salsa step.
zacksdanceloft 4 years ago
Now you are talking
I am with you. However, since there are anyway many styles of Salsa, students naturally seek to categorize the dances so it would make sense to them. What I have done was clarifying the definitions so people could categorize the dances correctly.
zacksdanceloft 4 years ago
Believe me. I am not confused about salsa. YOUR instructions are confusing, because you are attempting to clarify and define minutias of an ART. Dancing is not a science, it is very individual and emotional. And since it's origins are multifaceted, you can not squeeze it into categories.
mdmommy 4 years ago
Well you have chosen to dance more rather then think.
No wonder you are confused.
zacksdanceloft 4 years ago
You are confused since you choose to dance rather then to think sometime.
zacksdanceloft 4 years ago
fis your spelling! And what is your pointMuch erroneous and confusing and unimportant info. Just dance!
mdmommy 4 years ago
You are confused since you are just dancing.
Use you brain, and hopefully things might be cleared for you.
zacksdanceloft 4 years ago