I usually don't reply, instead resp. other views, but you're missing an important clue that confirms the entire premise that Both parents have, from the beg., been trying to set up KC, and protect GA., by directing attn to Casey instead. "I stopped looking for zanny 6 weeks ago." Can you interpet this odd reply? I'd rather see you solve it.
@albatross234 Cindy's reply may not have been referencing an actual "zenaida fernandez-gonzalez" but rather an end to her investigative work re. where caylee actually resided on nights that "Zanny" babysat. Pre-7/08 cindy was too preoccupied with GA trickery to concern herself with who/what "Zanny" actually was (a real person or just "code word" for boyfriend's home, benadryl, chloroform, etc.) Shortly after 7/08 cindy realized no actual "zanny" but still needed to fill in the blanks.
@albatross234 I don't think it was an odd reply by Cindy, they continued to spend money investigating all possible avenues, as despite all the lies told by Casey, they did not want to believe their daughter actually killed their grand daughter. Am sure that if they were involved in Caylee's death they would not have their home in foreclosure, they would have given up on spending money investigating long ago.
i remembered reading once, that there was a technique whereby a DNA test for the child only, could prove if the child was a product of incest. It has to do with fewer markers that you'd normally get. Anyway, i just researched it and there is a kit now. If G is Caylee's father we can find out now, w/out his "help". Alby, i sent you a link. :)
@dejazzd It does sound strange but i dont understand how it can ever be presented at trial if both the defense and prosecution have never seen the results
I love your channel, Alba, you have great insights. I would love to see that whole family shot up with sodium pentathol and hooked up to lie detectors. Of course there IS the possibility that one or more of them would flat-line on the lie detector (or possibly melt it.) Did you see George making the 'shhh' with his finger on his mouth during part of Cindy's testimony?
Albie, do you think maybe Casey borrowed the shovel because she suspected that Cayley's body had be burried in the back yard and wanted to check? Maybe not because I am going on the thought that Casey did not know Caylee was dead. Remember she said to Lee, "I have not seen Caylee for 31 days" and I think she meant she didn't know where Caylee was
@HatRatt At this point I don't think the state of Florida cares about the additional costs....we just want Justice for Caylee (bite me SINdy & George) or better yet, sue me! LOL
@albatross234 Alba, I just don't buy ANY mother killing her baby... OOPS! SMACK(((%#@!)))SMACK((())) Oh, unfortunately they do, I just don't want to believe it.
Albie, do you think maybe Casey borrowed the shovel because she suspected that Cayley's body had be burried in the back yard and wanted to check? Maybe not because I am going on the thought that Casey did not know Caylee was dead. Remember she said to Lee, "I have not seen Caylee for 32 days" and I think she meant she didn't know where Caylee was
Albie: thanks for your promt reply. You are right, Baez is doing enough to put doubt into one juror, me included, because before his opening statement I was 100% sure that Casey was guilty. Now I have doubts. Why did George LIE about chasing Casey in Cindy's car mid-June 2008? It doesn't make sense. Why would a grandfather lie about this sort of thing in the midst of a missing grandchild search? Am concerned that prosec is not strident enough. I will miss your posts when trial is ended.
When I first saw George on American TV talking about his missing GD, his body language was way off, because here was a GF who was acting as if his GD was mssing, but he knew she was dead. I agree with A as this explains it all. It can account for all the odd behavior, lies, cover ups. Family acting so odd. I think thats why Lee got out of that house as fast as he could. But why did the A;'s argue with the protesters out front of the house? This brought even more attention to them.
When I first saw George on American TV talking about his missing GD, his body language was way off, because here was a GF who was acting as if his GD was mssing, but he knew she was dead. I agree with A as this explains it all. It can account for all the odd behavior, lies, cover ups. Family acting so odd. I think thats why Lee got out of that house as fast as he could. But why did the A;'s argue with the protesters out front of the house? This brought even more attention to them.
@112258199 I always thought that arguing with protestors in front of the house was to bring more suympathy to themselves (himself) to help in the cover-up.
@HatRatt BINGO! George Marie & Cindy LOVED the attention! They should have just stayed inside the house. Cindy, outside banging on the signs w/a hammer and George Marie spraying people w/the water hose.....pushing/shoving the older lady (I mean, that's a REAL man, don'tcha think) I'm afraid if I gave my true opinions of George Marie - I would be banned from YouTube! lol
Albi: Can you do a Red Flag Warning video where all red flags are listed? RED FLAG: GA did not have a paternity test done to eliminate suspicion. RED FLG: Cindy had cremation done RED FLG: GA knew about tape on drowning victim RED FLG: No prints on cans & GA knew to remove them RED FLG: GA reported cans missing but not other valuables in past R.F.: GA had keys and access to bags, hearts, and knew wat to plant, where to plant, how to act, what to say.....
The car was picked up July 15. Was the area full of water then? Everything was just scattered like someone threw it all from the road. Won der if GA may have hurridly thrown the body there on the way home from tow yard and I was wondering if he may have thrown body into water.
I agree with much of what you are saying Albatros, Cindy George Casey all seem to say what helps them out as individually and its is just comical now that George is on the line they have turn like snakes on Casey LOL LOL LOL Before Caseu was innocent!!!!!!!! hahaha Its sad I shouldnt laugh but they all seem psychopaths.
Your theory, Albie, is intriguing. But it falls apart! Here's the thing: if Caylee was murdered by George, where did Casey think Caylee was for those 31 days? And why was she lying about Caylee to everyone, including Cindy? Where did Casey believe Caylee was? Why has Baez not accused George of the murder? Baez by his own admission in his opening statement clearly places Casey and George at the pool. And if George was Caylee's father, wouldn't we know it by now?
Fair Linda, your msg caught me because I was asking myself the same thing [re: Baez] This is what I come up with:
Strategy, and timing. He wanted to give the P. the least amt of targets, and goal was to introduce w/o much detail, 3 ideas to give pause in the jury--incest, accidental death, and GA's anger. Looking at just the POV of Beyond reasonable doubt, he's got his at least 1 juror who will be no longer posit. convinced of KC's guilt. So JB could stop here, has got rid of DP.
@KatesMiMi NO of COURSE i HAVNT seen THE report. BUT dont YOU think IF a JUDGE had EVIDENCE he WAS caylees FATHER he WOULD have BEEN charged WITH incest BY now?
@squirrel7t7 I have a feeling in my 'gut' (as KC would say), that they DO have the results of G's DNA test! I can only assume LE wants everything to come out in this trial for little Caylee and perhaps afterwards HE WILL be prosecuted. Incest unfortunately happens, goes on in every country in the world and I don't understand why some people can't accept the fact ~ then becoming upset w/anyone/everyone who questions paternity. WHAT makes you so certain that GA is NOT the biological father?
@KatesMiMi I never said i was sure of anything i just remember hearing both lee and george were both tested and i was under the impression they were both found not to be caylees father. I never knew until now that georges results were never disclosed and sealed in an envelope by the judge. My honest opinion at this time is that he is not. I dont believe anything that girl says and the first time she mentioned abuse was after caylee was dead. Time will tell i guess
Does anyone think, as I do, that the State is letting George Marie & Cindy hang themselves w/their 'perfect' tearful testimonies? I hope that's the plan!
Albie - This is fascinating! You & I must be 'sisters from a different mother' LOL! I
just recently came up w/the same conclusions......George & Cindy are filth! I sent George several emails over the years, asking him to take a DNA test (Of which I offered to pay costs/my choice of labs)I pleaded w/him to put this thing to rest! He NEVER responded!
@myblackheart76 Nonsense. You're making a statement based on gossip/conjecture. George's paternity test as well as his five-page suicide letter have been sealed by the court per request from prosecution. This is all a matter of public record that can be checked/researched by anyone. A lie becomes the truth if told often enough. I'm not sure what happened to Caylee but neither is anyone else at this point
@dejazzd I was thinking the same about the memorial "CMA" promise..never to tell. There we go thinking alike again. We did the same bavk in 2008. If only Casey could tell Lee to tell all.. but he will have to if asked under oath.
Typical abuse within a fmly.
tiffanykcameron 8 months ago
@4u2buh
I usually don't reply, instead resp. other views, but you're missing an important clue that confirms the entire premise that Both parents have, from the beg., been trying to set up KC, and protect GA., by directing attn to Casey instead. "I stopped looking for zanny 6 weeks ago." Can you interpet this odd reply? I'd rather see you solve it.
albatross234 9 months ago
@albatross234 Cindy's reply may not have been referencing an actual "zenaida fernandez-gonzalez" but rather an end to her investigative work re. where caylee actually resided on nights that "Zanny" babysat. Pre-7/08 cindy was too preoccupied with GA trickery to concern herself with who/what "Zanny" actually was (a real person or just "code word" for boyfriend's home, benadryl, chloroform, etc.) Shortly after 7/08 cindy realized no actual "zanny" but still needed to fill in the blanks.
4u2buh 8 months ago
@albatross234 I don't think it was an odd reply by Cindy, they continued to spend money investigating all possible avenues, as despite all the lies told by Casey, they did not want to believe their daughter actually killed their grand daughter. Am sure that if they were involved in Caylee's death they would not have their home in foreclosure, they would have given up on spending money investigating long ago.
becky0020 8 months ago
They want to destroy their guilt. NOT HAPPENING! I still think they are going to DIE!
fenriswolf6699 9 months ago
Tropical storm Fay--Aug. 15-27?, but standing water lasted much beyond the storm.
albatross234 9 months ago
@NetDetective1
emotions only "I just know" is not evidence. com'on, you can do better than that! Surely there is some evidence, isn't there?
albatross234 9 months ago
@dejazzd
nope. to tony she said Lee tried and G physically hit her. He even specifically said, In relation to Lee, "it never happened."
hollyzone 9 months ago
i remembered reading once, that there was a technique whereby a DNA test for the child only, could prove if the child was a product of incest. It has to do with fewer markers that you'd normally get. Anyway, i just researched it and there is a kit now. If G is Caylee's father we can find out now, w/out his "help". Alby, i sent you a link. :)
hollyzone 9 months ago
@dejazzd It does sound strange but i dont understand how it can ever be presented at trial if both the defense and prosecution have never seen the results
squirrel7t7 9 months ago
I love your channel, Alba, you have great insights. I would love to see that whole family shot up with sodium pentathol and hooked up to lie detectors. Of course there IS the possibility that one or more of them would flat-line on the lie detector (or possibly melt it.) Did you see George making the 'shhh' with his finger on his mouth during part of Cindy's testimony?
shadoewz 9 months ago
Albie, do you think maybe Casey borrowed the shovel because she suspected that Cayley's body had be burried in the back yard and wanted to check? Maybe not because I am going on the thought that Casey did not know Caylee was dead. Remember she said to Lee, "I have not seen Caylee for 31 days" and I think she meant she didn't know where Caylee was
HatRatt 9 months ago
@Lovesthemusic1 If we have our way they will! Unfortunately it will cost Florida even more money.
HatRatt 9 months ago
@HatRatt At this point I don't think the state of Florida cares about the additional costs....we just want Justice for Caylee (bite me SINdy & George) or better yet, sue me! LOL
KatesMiMi 9 months ago
@albatross234 Alba, I just don't buy ANY mother killing her baby... OOPS! SMACK(((%#@!)))SMACK((())) Oh, unfortunately they do, I just don't want to believe it.
HatRatt 9 months ago
@HatRatt Think about Diane Downs and Susan Smith - ring any bells?
KatesMiMi 9 months ago
Albie, do you think maybe Casey borrowed the shovel because she suspected that Cayley's body had be burried in the back yard and wanted to check? Maybe not because I am going on the thought that Casey did not know Caylee was dead. Remember she said to Lee, "I have not seen Caylee for 32 days" and I think she meant she didn't know where Caylee was
HatRatt 9 months ago
@NetDetective1 You don't buy ANY grandparent killing their baby? What IF George is the father?
KatesMiMi 9 months ago
Albie: thanks for your promt reply. You are right, Baez is doing enough to put doubt into one juror, me included, because before his opening statement I was 100% sure that Casey was guilty. Now I have doubts. Why did George LIE about chasing Casey in Cindy's car mid-June 2008? It doesn't make sense. Why would a grandfather lie about this sort of thing in the midst of a missing grandchild search? Am concerned that prosec is not strident enough. I will miss your posts when trial is ended.
fairlinda1 9 months ago
@fairlinda1 Oh, have no fear! I think we'll be watching the trial of George Marie & Cindy for some time to come....LOL
KatesMiMi 9 months ago
When I first saw George on American TV talking about his missing GD, his body language was way off, because here was a GF who was acting as if his GD was mssing, but he knew she was dead. I agree with A as this explains it all. It can account for all the odd behavior, lies, cover ups. Family acting so odd. I think thats why Lee got out of that house as fast as he could. But why did the A;'s argue with the protesters out front of the house? This brought even more attention to them.
112258199 9 months ago
When I first saw George on American TV talking about his missing GD, his body language was way off, because here was a GF who was acting as if his GD was mssing, but he knew she was dead. I agree with A as this explains it all. It can account for all the odd behavior, lies, cover ups. Family acting so odd. I think thats why Lee got out of that house as fast as he could. But why did the A;'s argue with the protesters out front of the house? This brought even more attention to them.
112258199 9 months ago
@112258199 I always thought that arguing with protestors in front of the house was to bring more suympathy to themselves (himself) to help in the cover-up.
HatRatt 9 months ago
@HatRatt BINGO! George Marie & Cindy LOVED the attention! They should have just stayed inside the house. Cindy, outside banging on the signs w/a hammer and George Marie spraying people w/the water hose.....pushing/shoving the older lady (I mean, that's a REAL man, don'tcha think) I'm afraid if I gave my true opinions of George Marie - I would be banned from YouTube! lol
KatesMiMi 9 months ago
@dejazzd
Amazing. Gold star if Lee is JB's secret key wit.
albatross234 9 months ago
@NetDetective1
Netdet, what evidence is the strongest, which persuades you the most as to KC guilt.
albatross234 9 months ago
Albi: Can you do a Red Flag Warning video where all red flags are listed? RED FLAG: GA did not have a paternity test done to eliminate suspicion. RED FLG: Cindy had cremation done RED FLG: GA knew about tape on drowning victim RED FLG: No prints on cans & GA knew to remove them RED FLG: GA reported cans missing but not other valuables in past R.F.: GA had keys and access to bags, hearts, and knew wat to plant, where to plant, how to act, what to say.....
HatRatt 9 months ago
The car was picked up July 15. Was the area full of water then? Everything was just scattered like someone threw it all from the road. Won der if GA may have hurridly thrown the body there on the way home from tow yard and I was wondering if he may have thrown body into water.
HatRatt 9 months ago
@dejazzd Like I have said before, MALLORY - RUN, don't walk - get away from the SCAMANTHONYS!
And I could NOT be more serious. I cringe at the thought of Mallory bringing another innocent child into this horrific mess~!
KatesMiMi 9 months ago
I agree with much of what you are saying Albatros, Cindy George Casey all seem to say what helps them out as individually and its is just comical now that George is on the line they have turn like snakes on Casey LOL LOL LOL Before Caseu was innocent!!!!!!!! hahaha Its sad I shouldnt laugh but they all seem psychopaths.
riverotears1971 9 months ago
Your theory, Albie, is intriguing. But it falls apart! Here's the thing: if Caylee was murdered by George, where did Casey think Caylee was for those 31 days? And why was she lying about Caylee to everyone, including Cindy? Where did Casey believe Caylee was? Why has Baez not accused George of the murder? Baez by his own admission in his opening statement clearly places Casey and George at the pool. And if George was Caylee's father, wouldn't we know it by now?
fairlinda1 9 months ago
@fairlinda1
Fair Linda, your msg caught me because I was asking myself the same thing [re: Baez] This is what I come up with:
Strategy, and timing. He wanted to give the P. the least amt of targets, and goal was to introduce w/o much detail, 3 ideas to give pause in the jury--incest, accidental death, and GA's anger. Looking at just the POV of Beyond reasonable doubt, he's got his at least 1 juror who will be no longer posit. convinced of KC's guilt. So JB could stop here, has got rid of DP.
albatross234 9 months ago
@dejazzd Im sure George and Lee were both tested and found not to be Caylees father.
squirrel7t7 9 months ago
@squirrel7t7 Have you SEEN the DNA test results? If so, PLEASE give us the link.
KatesMiMi 9 months ago
@KatesMiMi NO of COURSE i HAVNT seen THE report. BUT dont YOU think IF a JUDGE had EVIDENCE he WAS caylees FATHER he WOULD have BEEN charged WITH incest BY now?
squirrel7t7 9 months ago
@squirrel7t7 I have a feeling in my 'gut' (as KC would say), that they DO have the results of G's DNA test! I can only assume LE wants everything to come out in this trial for little Caylee and perhaps afterwards HE WILL be prosecuted. Incest unfortunately happens, goes on in every country in the world and I don't understand why some people can't accept the fact ~ then becoming upset w/anyone/everyone who questions paternity. WHAT makes you so certain that GA is NOT the biological father?
KatesMiMi 9 months ago
@KatesMiMi I never said i was sure of anything i just remember hearing both lee and george were both tested and i was under the impression they were both found not to be caylees father. I never knew until now that georges results were never disclosed and sealed in an envelope by the judge. My honest opinion at this time is that he is not. I dont believe anything that girl says and the first time she mentioned abuse was after caylee was dead. Time will tell i guess
squirrel7t7 9 months ago
Wow, just wow! Interesting theory you have. I respect your thoughts and opinions, but I don't agree. Different strokes, I guess.
Topaz5866 9 months ago
Thank you Albie - thank you!
KatesMiMi 9 months ago
Mallory - RUN, don't walk, as quickly as your legs will carry you!
KatesMiMi 9 months ago 2
Albie - How'd you like it when George Marie told Baez, "show me some respect, sir, and I'll show you some respect"! LOL
KatesMiMi 9 months ago
Does anyone think, as I do, that the State is letting George Marie & Cindy hang themselves w/their 'perfect' tearful testimonies? I hope that's the plan!
KatesMiMi 9 months ago 3
@KatesMiMi
jProblem is, we have seen the other Cindys and other Georges, that the jury hasn't seen all these other masks....
albatross234 9 months ago 2
@KatesMiMi I do think you are right!
stevie4004 9 months ago
Albie - This is fascinating! You & I must be 'sisters from a different mother' LOL! I
just recently came up w/the same conclusions......George & Cindy are filth! I sent George several emails over the years, asking him to take a DNA test (Of which I offered to pay costs/my choice of labs)I pleaded w/him to put this thing to rest! He NEVER responded!
KatesMiMi 9 months ago
@KatesMiMi
Wow. thx, kates
albatross234 9 months ago
@KatesMiMi He did he was cleared !
APRIL62318 9 months ago
@KatesMiMi
both George and Lee were tested for paternity of Caylee, neither is the father.
myblackheart76 8 months ago
@myblackheart76 Nonsense. You're making a statement based on gossip/conjecture. George's paternity test as well as his five-page suicide letter have been sealed by the court per request from prosecution. This is all a matter of public record that can be checked/researched by anyone. A lie becomes the truth if told often enough. I'm not sure what happened to Caylee but neither is anyone else at this point
ritter89 8 months ago
@dejazzd I was thinking the same about the memorial "CMA" promise..never to tell. There we go thinking alike again. We did the same bavk in 2008. If only Casey could tell Lee to tell all.. but he will have to if asked under oath.
HatRatt 9 months ago
albatross, please visit our chat tomorrow- you can email me for the link- would love to have your point of view!!!
thebunnycagechat@gmail.com
BunnyCage1 9 months ago
I do sense sociopathy in all of them too.
raecelestek 9 months ago 2
off topic but I love your nails!
BunnyCage1 9 months ago
t agree.Thanks
rebrant1 9 months ago 2