If we wanna be more effective about the "occupy" movement, remember this at election time. Ask the running candidates: "Do you support or are you against the intentions of the Occupy movement?" If they say they are against it, or they use their pre-briefed doublespeak skills and sound optimistically, but still don't really give any real answer, or even if they don't reply at all, then DO NOT elected that running candidate. Let's get their (and keep their) greedy asses out of office!
If we wanna be more effective about the "occupy" movement, remember this at election time. Ask the running candidates: "Do you support or are you against the intentions of the Occupy movement?" If they say they are against it, or they use their pre-briefed doublespeak skills and sound optimistically, but still don't really give any real answer, or even if they don't replay at all, then DO NOT elected that running candidate. Let's get their (and keep their) greedy asses out of office!
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I have made a comment to this guy on Intelligent Union's homepage and I am of course promoting The real news network and Paul Jay at the same time. Thanks for excellent journalism!
I am so sick of these people there will be a protest on November 14, 2011 at 5:00pm at City Hall. What are you doing nothing now you have a bunch of low lifes at one end of the Park. It is time for these people leave only bringing crime to neighborhood
I can't believe FOX news made the mistake of interviewing this guy LaGreca. He really made the FOX interviewer look like a complete idiot. Oh wait....
Privatized profits and socialized losses is not capitalism. Do people not get that? lol. Oh my fellow americans are stupid as fuck. Fuck the greedy ass 1% demon ass fucks and fuck the 95% of stupid fucks. Thank god for the 4% who are trying to bring about a platform for the 95% stupid fucks to be educated about the piece of shit 1%. God bless the 4%!!!
Kudos to you Paul Jay for giving the occupiers an outlet to voice their views. I think the whole western world system is too rotten to fix -- we should start anew. Keep up the great work TheRealNews.
I like this guy's optimism but as Van Zan said "Eden isn't burning, it's burnt".
The US cannot recover from the catastrophe that the elites have created because the damage is already done. The effects of the damage are on their way. The 'economic crisis' that people are upset about now is a rose garden party compared to what is coming. Think pre-war Germany at best.
Even though he wanted to make clear that he doesn't "represent" 99% in relation to his political view and made sure that what he's saying is only his personal view, I think many in Occupy movement actually agree with him. I sure do.
This is one of your best pieces. You're both there, in the midst of it - and the one you chose to interview is so excellent. Wow - he makes so much sense - and has been there, all along.
I don't want to hear about specific demands. This guy is right - we're still in the midst of diagnosis. The system is so totally broken that no list of demands is going to make sense. It's time to STOP looking for the quick fix - the list of demands. If it was that easy, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in
people keep talking about THEIR jobs getting shipped out of the country as if they own those jobs and the corporations have no right to move overseas to do business.
@fight2Bfree if you make a profit off the american people, and strangle our economy in order to become a monopoly or trust in your sector of services to our society, then why don't we have a right to demand you also keep the jobs in the USA?
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During a fierce battle with a free market capitalist the young corporatists loses his right hand and his weapon. Finding himself cornered he faces his foeman and balances on the precipice. The free market capitalist says to the young corporatist, that they should team up and that Adam Smith never told him what happened to his father. The Corporatists shouts back, "He told me enough, he told me you killed him!" There was a brief pause and the free market capitalist stated, "No, I am your father."
no, no, you misunderstand me: the myth of the free market is an ideological construct of the ruling 1% (whether or not they practice what they preach is beside the point) and one that obscures the inseparability of basic state coercion from the creation and sustenance of capital and market conditions. It's been rigged since the start of capitalism in England, America, Canada. Take a look a Libya now: Western oil interests in the country needed a friendly state.
@mikezephyr Corporatism is a direct result of unfettered, deregulated, free-market capitalism. Because as Karl Popper said "If the government does not intervene and try to control the markets, other shady organisations, such as trusts, multi-national predators and political extremes, will." If you let the markets run amok, there is nothing stopping them from banding together to create monopolies, infiltrating government to pass favourable laws and crushing the middle- and working-class.
@atosafi1 without a state, there are no corporations. liability is limited only by states. the concept of 'unregulated' (by states) markets as the sources of corruption & monopolization is a fiction propagated by those that wield the state's power against their would-be competitors, who rake profits and socialize losses - a grotesque operation made possible only by state power
you have been duped. the state is not your tool against the capitalists; it's theirs - against you
@BroBroDude Without a State you would have Somalia during the 90's; complete lawlessness, multi-national corporations allowed to pollute the environment, exploit workers, destroy communities and avoid taxes, roaming gangs and crews who rape and pillage, people seeking protection through moving towards despotism and demagogues and so on.
@atosafi1 "Somalia during the 90's; complete lawlessness"
you have already derailed. somalia was not lawless nor has any stateless society ever been. is this something you've looked into? with all respect, so far all you've done is spit up undigested statist memes fed by establishment education. somalia was a shithole (a worse one, by many measures) before the state collapsed there and is a poor analogue for the developed world
i can link you to some research if you're interested
sounds like statism to me! it also sounds like you're not responding to my words but to a preconception of yours developed long before this conversation began. that's not the kind of conversation that can get anywhere
recap: corporations are state creations; established firms oppose free markets because the state protects them against competition; regulation precedes the state. the state's not for you; it's for them
@atosafi1 exactly. I dont get it if u have oligarchy so solution is dissolve the state? why would anyone think if someone is in power that power iss gonna be gone if the states collapses. average ppl would not benefit this
@atosafi1 "Corporatism is a direct result of unfettered, deregulated, free-market capitalism. "
You have to be joking. What country has this "unfettered, deregulated, free-market capitalism."???? Corporatism has risen to all time highs in this age of big government which is a direct contradiction to your statement. Markets don't run amok when there is free competition. The difficulty many have with understanding that is that they haven't been alive to see a free market.
@VoteLib3rty No one has been alive to see a truly free market, because it's nothing more than a utopic dream.
Instead, what we have gotten is 30 years of failed neoliberalism, supply side-economics and market fundamentalism, which has allowed domestic companies to go multi-national, and thereby gain the upper hand over democracy.
They offshore production to the Third World to exploit workers and play them off against the Western workers in an effort to drive down wages and create cheap labour.
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how do you expect politicians and bankers not to steal when your entire fucking society is based about worshiping MONEY? If you worship money then corruption is a natural step for it.
He blames capitalism for our bad trade policies. One is not the other. Trickle down works as long as the re-investments stay here in America. Fix our trade deals, make them fair for everyone, & capitalism will work for America the way it's supposed to.
@gmfutube Name calling...That is all morons like you can do. Reagan was known for his good economic policies. He knew to listen to Milton Friedman. That was back before Bush 1 & Clinton pushed NAFTA on us. Do you even know any history??? Those trade agreements are what allowed the corporations to ship our jobs overseas. Profiting from slave labor in poor countries while forgetting where they came from. Those trade agreements where 1 step closer to globalism. You have headuprectum disease.
@Dedhedted71 Reagan's deregulatory policies is what made NAFTA possible. Globalization started with Reagan. As for listening to Milton Friedman, well he was a bit butthurt that some of his policies didn't work and the Reagan administration (particularly the FED) did some quasi-Keynesian policies.
@Christ724 And may I ask you gentlemen whether China or India are better of as a result of globalization? The answer is YES! Wait, I thought liberals were compassionate to non American's wanting better lives. You butthurt cunts are bitter that billions of people are better of with free trade than they were with protectionism. Plus it was the consumer that benefited from cheap labour.
@Andsormida01 So you're all for NAFTA now? Globalization hasn't benefited the Chinese people the way you think, it came at a great cost (same for the Mexicans under NAFTA). By your logic, Stalin's Five-Year Plan was a great thing since it turned a backwards country into one of the world's largest superpower. We want everyone to have better lives, but when you have corporations exploiting other people with terrible working conditions and 'sleeping' with foreign governments, something isn't right
@Christ724 Simple put, the living standards the average Chinese has right now monumentally better than they had before liberlization. No, I didn't mean become a superpower, I meant the living standards in China increased where hundreads of millions can now get an education whereas previously they couldn't, where starvation is no longer prevelant, where people have disposable income, housing. But I agree the government of China should create minimum standards.
@Andsormida01 it doesn't matter if you meant 'superpower' or 'just better off' by your logic Stalin was a marvelous man because of how he turned a "backwards" country into a superpower in no time, just like the Chinese are 'better off' now than they were under liberalization. The fact that you consider that China should have 'minimum standards' flies in the face of liberalization.
@Christ724 No, you stupid fuck, Stalin turned the Soviet Union into a superpower but he did NOT improve their lives- in fact he did the opposite to what globalization has done to China, his policies killed10's of millions of people!. I never advocated for free markets, Liberlization is a loose term describing the process of liberlizing an economy- the end result doesn't have to a fully liberlized economy. Australia and Switzerland both took on liberlization but they they are not fully liberlized
@Andsormida01 That was the sacrifice that had to be made by your fucked up logic, what about the people that are currently being exploited, beaten, tortured,etc. by the state on behalf of businesses in China or the entire third world for that matter? It did improve the lives of many Russians since people had access to universal education, healthcare, and the like relative to what they had but apparently, to you, the end justifies the means and apparently you have a hard on for outsourcing.
@Christ724 Perhaps you are also a fan of food shortages too? and the health-care while 'free' was awful. Indeed, I agree with you on the state crating minimum standards for business to work within however we as consumers controll entirely what these corporations can do and what methods they use. And BTW the Soviet system improved the lives of officials who took the yield from farmers and average citizens to fund their lives- the average citizen experienced food shortages and misery.
@Christ724 Simply put it, free trade has improved the lives of billions around the world, has offered greater domestic competition and has given us cheaper products.
@Andsormida01 It still doesn't change the argument, by your logic, it was fine, so long as it was better than before. That's the crux of your justification for exploiting the third world. You sat complaining about NAFTA then you do a 180 and begin to defend globalization then you proceed to say that you'd like for them to have minimum wages and such, even though that flies in the face of everything you've defended. It defeats the purpose of outsourcing.
@Christ724 No, what I said was that their would eventually need to be a transition to greater wage regulation. The mistake you've made is that you believe wage regulations and creating a minimum standard is mutually exclusive to a free trade and globalization when it simply isn't and it never should. I'm not saying to increase interference to the point of making unskilled labour undesirable but once the population moves towards a service based economy and domestic consumption there's nothing wro
@Andsormida01 They are if you actually look at what those corporations do when people TRY to get minimum wage. If the WTO or the IMF doesn't force you to take budget cuts then corporation itself would get the local government to strong arm you into submission (this is essentially what happens in latin america and china). It can't really move into a 'service' based economy because, who's going to get exploited for that to be possible? But again, so much for you complaining about NAFTA
@Andsormida01 and still going by your logic to make the U.S. more competitive, we should get rid of the minimum wage, social security, and most of all social programs so we can compete with China and India!
@Christ724 In terms of manufacturing, you could still maintain a minimum wage and be more competitive, however this would require a more decentralized form of employee-employer negotiations.
@Andsormida01 "BTW the Soviet system improved the lives of officials who took the yield from farmers and average citizens to fund their lives- the average citizen experienced food shortages and misery." The same can be said for a good portion of the globalized 3rd world.
@Christ724 Through the process of globilization, the US trades grain and food with China which has eliminated the previous food shortages experienced under a ccentral system. Plus globalization itself is not an instrument that can work, however when it is coupled with law than it can work- going to third world countries that do not recognize private property laws and have a violent and uncivilized society is unappealing to business. Plus mdern free trade has not been embraced for long.
"going to third world countries that do not recognize private property laws and have a violent and uncivilized society is unappealing to business" That's what military coups are for.
@gmfutube I have muscular dystrophy and can't get around too well, but I'll tell you one thing, it hasn't affected my thinking ! I'm doing all i can do on my lazy ass, what about you ?
He asks, "what do we replace the Fed with?" We were much more stable without the Fed that started the corruption in 1913. I would rather the congress be in charge of the dollar because either way they spend our taxes like idiots, but if the congress were in charge at least they wouldn't be spending it with interest! It's kind of impossible to pay of debt when you have to borrow money with interest to pay off debt. It's a never ending circle that the elite profit from.
@unite4peaceonearth Now google crash of 1873. Financial bubbles can be created without any help from the Fed. I'm not saying keep the Fed the way it is, but the problem is banking itself. Fractional reserve lending creates hazards that require strict public oversight, with or without the FED
If you stop at ending the Fed, you have done little more than give yourself a false sense of security.
Is that a Yankee hat? If you don't know, this problem started with the Federalist. Their 17 trillion dollar Debt started with Ft Sumter. The Blow it up and send in carpetbaggers like in Libya started with the civil war. You might need to find a grey hat and embrace the inter the rebel.
@btigtime2 problem with that is that then you are linked to racism. Even though there was a lot more going on at the time of the civil war. People only remember the slavery.
@btigtime2 What? Go read Mississippi's declaration of secession. It clearly states that the primary issue is the protection of the institution of slavery.
@gmfutube Not denying the slave issue... just saying the issue of controlling commerce and banking to be the bigger issue.... Reconstruction did not bring educators and moralist, it in fact brought predatory corporatist. The Blacks were release like children at the mall.
@bnewton81 Even if you leave slavery out of it, the condition of the 99% of whites in the old South was pretty bad too. It was a feudal society with a small merchant class and lots of poor.
Just like today, the 1% like to spin the lie that anyone could work hard and move into their class, and even had examples. This line of BS keep the white population docile and worshiping the excess of the 1% as something to admire. Their ignorant descendants still do the same thing today in the south.
@gmfutube Problem as I see it is that we have enough to explain to the public without having to also explain our choice in controversial head wear. Look back at the first comment that started this. Not my comment.
@btigtime2 The south was fighting to maintain the institution of slavery and the Feudal system it operated under. That is what we are looking to avoid returning to on a national level.
still shopping, driving expensive cars......is it not surprising to know that these people are misguided and think they could do what they want because they have the money.
Look at the jewish people positioning themselves so designed as to convey their presence to the world writ large. Why? What' the manipulation underwriting their behavior? In my mind it show's INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY, they are the causative agent's that underwrite this virulent societal sickness. What I construe as their deceptive tactic(s) proves, in my mind, the legitimacy of this mode of thinking.
NOOOOO END THE FEDERAL RESERVE, DON'T AMEND IT. LET THE BODY POLITIC, THROUGH THE REPUBLICAN PROCESS, COINAGE IT'S ON CURRENCY. THE THEFT OF THE MONETARY SYSTEM BY JEW'S IS THE ORIGINATION OF THE CURRENT MALADIES THAT AFFLICT THIS CONSTRUCT. AND MAKE NO MISTAKE, THIS IS JEW IN ORIGINATION AND EXECUTION.
Change is not coming. Nothing is coming. Your elected officials will always be bought and paid for by someone. If not the banks, the insurance companies. If not them then the industrial private prisons. If not them then someone else. You keep trying to find ways to represent yourself and we'll keep buying it! Congress? Owned! The senate? Owned. You name it, it's bought and paid for. Your governor, mayor, courts, sheriffs, marshals, cops...bought and paid for, bitches. I am the 1%.
Step one, jail or execute the bankers directly responsible for the 2008 fiasco. Step two, shut down the FED and wipe all debts out of existance. Step 3. End fractional reserve banking and fiat currencies. Step 4 gear the entire worlds resources onto green energy infrastructure. Step 5, Jail and execute all the warmongers of the last decade. Step 6. Decentralize food production with hydroponic infrastructure. Step 7. Build technological infrastructure that will automate all human needs.
@elbowbiter1 Imagine a situation in which government tells you any loss you made on a loan will be insured and repayed to you, do you become careless and laissez faire with your loans or do you simply sit there while your competitors are doing business? You know you won't lose any money and can only gain it, so what do you do? Face it buddy, the gov. has as much of the blamce.
@Andsormida01 I really don't want to get into this much but... sure... I don't NOT blame the useless corrupt scumbags (they're worse than car salesmen). However, as I understand it... wealthy private interests got to where they are today by taking bribes and passing the legislation that is hanging us all out to dry. So... I blame the briber just as much as the bribee. It is madness to blame government alone. I am more of an anrarcho sydicalist so really governments are an irrelevancy to me.
@elbowbiter1 It's economically feasible and legal for corporations to provide bribes and buy out the government and as long as the government has that much power and as long as there is a large conglomerate of people who believe that power is justified than it will always be extremely corruptible.
@Andsormida01 No it isn't legal to bribe. However... there are loopholes. There will always be loop holes. Trust me... the corporate elite have WAY more power than the government. Politicians go to the people with money for hand outs like beggars... "Let me pass the policies you want! I'll suck your dick! Just give me the money!" That is the relationship politicians have with the corporate elite. It ain't the other way around... if it was they would listen to the people... and they don't.
@elbowbiter1 Donations, back deals, job assurences are all forms of bribery. The reason they have more power than the government is because they CONTROL government and why do they control it? Because the government has the authority to make them money!! A big government will always be corrupted- these are people in charge dude. The politicians go the people for money to maximize their revenue but for every assured subsidy they gain money from special interest groups-unions and corporations.
@Andsormida01 Oh, I'm not in disagreement about government having power. I see the interaction the same way you do my friend. If it were up to me... I would declare that money was the problem... because this dynamic will never change. The people with money will always dictate policy with it.
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If we wanna be more effective about the "occupy" movement, remember this at election time. Ask the running candidates: "Do you support or are you against the intentions of the Occupy movement?" If they say they are against it, or they use their pre-briefed doublespeak skills and sound optimistically, but still don't really give any real answer, or even if they don't reply at all, then DO NOT elected that running candidate. Let's get their (and keep their) greedy asses out of office!
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If we wanna be more effective about the "occupy" movement, remember this at election time. Ask the running candidates: "Do you support or are you against the intentions of the Occupy movement?" If they say they are against it, or they use their pre-briefed doublespeak skills and sound optimistically, but still don't really give any real answer, or even if they don't replay at all, then DO NOT elected that running candidate. Let's get their (and keep their) greedy asses out of office!
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DOMINOWRITER 3 months ago
It's Jimmy Justice!!
(holding the sign at the beginning "End NYPD Violence")
iworldtraveler 3 months ago
I am so proud to be a part of this movement!
RicknSI2000 3 months ago
I like the information about citizens creating direct democracy in the USA.
I have made a comment to this guy on Intelligent Union's homepage and I am of course promoting The real news network and Paul Jay at the same time. Thanks for excellent journalism!
martinvaxjo 3 months ago
I am so sick of these people there will be a protest on November 14, 2011 at 5:00pm at City Hall. What are you doing nothing now you have a bunch of low lifes at one end of the Park. It is time for these people leave only bringing crime to neighborhood
bill81500 3 months ago
I can't believe FOX news made the mistake of interviewing this guy LaGreca. He really made the FOX interviewer look like a complete idiot. Oh wait....
jb678901 3 months ago
Privatized profits and socialized losses is not capitalism. Do people not get that? lol. Oh my fellow americans are stupid as fuck. Fuck the greedy ass 1% demon ass fucks and fuck the 95% of stupid fucks. Thank god for the 4% who are trying to bring about a platform for the 95% stupid fucks to be educated about the piece of shit 1%. God bless the 4%!!!
WickedMo13 3 months ago
thanks god for channels like this. the frii\kkin puppet youtube INFORMATION NAZIS have once again made it impossible to view top rated news pages
fuzzjunky 3 months ago
Just put me in charge I can fix this for you. Lol
lgndarymeth 3 months ago
If you're part of the 99% you should be showing that "Like" button some love. ;)
Zeppathy 3 months ago
Kudos to you Paul Jay for giving the occupiers an outlet to voice their views. I think the whole western world system is too rotten to fix -- we should start anew. Keep up the great work TheRealNews.
Laoch111 3 months ago
I like this guy's optimism but as Van Zan said "Eden isn't burning, it's burnt".
The US cannot recover from the catastrophe that the elites have created because the damage is already done. The effects of the damage are on their way. The 'economic crisis' that people are upset about now is a rose garden party compared to what is coming. Think pre-war Germany at best.
TheGodlessGuitarist 3 months ago
End the Fed. Stop the Looting, Start Prosecution!
JanRichardus 3 months ago
Man, where do you buy those Union kepis?
CrazyShakaZulu 3 months ago
Even though he wanted to make clear that he doesn't "represent" 99% in relation to his political view and made sure that what he's saying is only his personal view, I think many in Occupy movement actually agree with him. I sure do.
unorthodoxtrotsky 3 months ago
Well said Jesse!
goldengyrl2010 3 months ago
"Trickle down" does work--- for the top 1%.
carefulcarpenter 3 months ago
Brilliant discussion.
dominictemple 3 months ago
This is one of your best pieces. You're both there, in the midst of it - and the one you chose to interview is so excellent. Wow - he makes so much sense - and has been there, all along.
I don't want to hear about specific demands. This guy is right - we're still in the midst of diagnosis. The system is so totally broken that no list of demands is going to make sense. It's time to STOP looking for the quick fix - the list of demands. If it was that easy, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in
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beautifully said.
sleepyfish 3 months ago
what a well spoken young man Mr. LaGreca is ! Possible future leader in the making ??
MasterMark123 3 months ago
people keep talking about THEIR jobs getting shipped out of the country as if they own those jobs and the corporations have no right to move overseas to do business.
fight2Bfree 3 months ago
@fight2Bfree if you make a profit off the american people, and strangle our economy in order to become a monopoly or trust in your sector of services to our society, then why don't we have a right to demand you also keep the jobs in the USA?
sleepyfish 3 months ago
I really liked that guy, there's a lot of intelligent ppl down there with the 99%..
kaxitaksi 3 months ago 17
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Wrothchild 3 months ago
With the internet at our hands we have a very easy way of contributing our opinions and desires to our government with complete transparency.
cityguyusa 3 months ago
end the fed. YOU DON'T NEED TO REPLACE IT WITH ANYTHING!!! central banks are monopolies that should not have been existed in the first place!!
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During a fierce battle with a free market capitalist the young corporatists loses his right hand and his weapon. Finding himself cornered he faces his foeman and balances on the precipice. The free market capitalist says to the young corporatist, that they should team up and that Adam Smith never told him what happened to his father. The Corporatists shouts back, "He told me enough, he told me you killed him!" There was a brief pause and the free market capitalist stated, "No, I am your father."
elbowbiter1 3 months ago 2
@elbowbiter1 So true lol.
atosafi1 3 months ago
Thumbz up! Occupy Wall Street !!
IhazNoID 3 months ago 2
Occupy the media! Occupy FOX-"News"
SRangelDE 3 months ago
@SRangelDE This guy was on fox news and told him straight up "fox sux."
amazeblaze 3 months ago 4
@amazeblaze I saw that. It was great - but I don't think Fox "news" aired it.
SRangelDE 3 months ago
@SRangelDE nope those bastards aren't for freedom of speech.
amazeblaze 3 months ago
There is no free market. End the Fed.
sheepOG 3 months ago
@sheepOG By which I mean that nobody should have the power to control the money supply.
sheepOG 3 months ago 2
there never was a free market.
mikezephyr 3 months ago
@mikezephyr There hasn't been one for a while, that's true. Not in our lifetimes anyway.
sheepOG 3 months ago
no, no, you misunderstand me: the myth of the free market is an ideological construct of the ruling 1% (whether or not they practice what they preach is beside the point) and one that obscures the inseparability of basic state coercion from the creation and sustenance of capital and market conditions. It's been rigged since the start of capitalism in England, America, Canada. Take a look a Libya now: Western oil interests in the country needed a friendly state.
mikezephyr 3 months ago
@mikezephyr Corporatism is a direct result of unfettered, deregulated, free-market capitalism. Because as Karl Popper said "If the government does not intervene and try to control the markets, other shady organisations, such as trusts, multi-national predators and political extremes, will." If you let the markets run amok, there is nothing stopping them from banding together to create monopolies, infiltrating government to pass favourable laws and crushing the middle- and working-class.
atosafi1 3 months ago 29
@atosafi1 without a state, there are no corporations. liability is limited only by states. the concept of 'unregulated' (by states) markets as the sources of corruption & monopolization is a fiction propagated by those that wield the state's power against their would-be competitors, who rake profits and socialize losses - a grotesque operation made possible only by state power
you have been duped. the state is not your tool against the capitalists; it's theirs - against you
BroBroDude 3 months ago
@BroBroDude Without a State you would have Somalia during the 90's; complete lawlessness, multi-national corporations allowed to pollute the environment, exploit workers, destroy communities and avoid taxes, roaming gangs and crews who rape and pillage, people seeking protection through moving towards despotism and demagogues and so on.
atosafi1 3 months ago
@atosafi1 "Somalia during the 90's; complete lawlessness"
you have already derailed. somalia was not lawless nor has any stateless society ever been. is this something you've looked into? with all respect, so far all you've done is spit up undigested statist memes fed by establishment education. somalia was a shithole (a worse one, by many measures) before the state collapsed there and is a poor analogue for the developed world
i can link you to some research if you're interested
BroBroDude 3 months ago
"corporations pollute the environment, exploit workers, destroy communities"
sounds like statism to me! it also sounds like you're not responding to my words but to a preconception of yours developed long before this conversation began. that's not the kind of conversation that can get anywhere
recap: corporations are state creations; established firms oppose free markets because the state protects them against competition; regulation precedes the state. the state's not for you; it's for them
BroBroDude 3 months ago
@atosafi1 exactly. I dont get it if u have oligarchy so solution is dissolve the state? why would anyone think if someone is in power that power iss gonna be gone if the states collapses. average ppl would not benefit this
dharmaatdawn 3 months ago
quite a reasonable statement from someone I instinctively detest, haha! nice.
mikezephyr 3 months ago
@atosafi1: +1
And that's exactly what Ron Paul / Ayn Rand libertarians want (at least those who are capable of thinking on their own)
durstwurst 3 months ago
@atosafi1 "Corporatism is a direct result of unfettered, deregulated, free-market capitalism. "
You have to be joking. What country has this "unfettered, deregulated, free-market capitalism."???? Corporatism has risen to all time highs in this age of big government which is a direct contradiction to your statement. Markets don't run amok when there is free competition. The difficulty many have with understanding that is that they haven't been alive to see a free market.
VoteLib3rty 3 months ago
@VoteLib3rty No one has been alive to see a truly free market, because it's nothing more than a utopic dream.
Instead, what we have gotten is 30 years of failed neoliberalism, supply side-economics and market fundamentalism, which has allowed domestic companies to go multi-national, and thereby gain the upper hand over democracy.
They offshore production to the Third World to exploit workers and play them off against the Western workers in an effort to drive down wages and create cheap labour.
atosafi1 3 months ago
"Miltie", you and Pinochet have a lot in common.
jb678901 3 months ago
jesse lagreca is from the daily kos. there's no problem with that but it should have been disclosed.
DickOPlenty 3 months ago
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Wrothchild 3 months ago
Very good! Uprated.
slobomotion 3 months ago
The only way to stop the corruption is moral.
how do you expect politicians and bankers not to steal when your entire fucking society is based about worshiping MONEY? If you worship money then corruption is a natural step for it.
OrdoMallius 3 months ago
He blames capitalism for our bad trade policies. One is not the other. Trickle down works as long as the re-investments stay here in America. Fix our trade deals, make them fair for everyone, & capitalism will work for America the way it's supposed to.
Dedhedted71 3 months ago
@Dedhedted71 Trickle down has NEVER worked for anyone but those on the top. He didn't blame capitalism for anything, so you are a liar or an idiot.
gmfutube 3 months ago
@gmfutube Name calling...That is all morons like you can do. Reagan was known for his good economic policies. He knew to listen to Milton Friedman. That was back before Bush 1 & Clinton pushed NAFTA on us. Do you even know any history??? Those trade agreements are what allowed the corporations to ship our jobs overseas. Profiting from slave labor in poor countries while forgetting where they came from. Those trade agreements where 1 step closer to globalism. You have headuprectum disease.
Dedhedted71 3 months ago
@Dedhedted71 Reagan's deregulatory policies is what made NAFTA possible. Globalization started with Reagan. As for listening to Milton Friedman, well he was a bit butthurt that some of his policies didn't work and the Reagan administration (particularly the FED) did some quasi-Keynesian policies.
Christ724 3 months ago
@Christ724 And may I ask you gentlemen whether China or India are better of as a result of globalization? The answer is YES! Wait, I thought liberals were compassionate to non American's wanting better lives. You butthurt cunts are bitter that billions of people are better of with free trade than they were with protectionism. Plus it was the consumer that benefited from cheap labour.
Andsormida01 3 months ago
@Andsormida01 So you're all for NAFTA now? Globalization hasn't benefited the Chinese people the way you think, it came at a great cost (same for the Mexicans under NAFTA). By your logic, Stalin's Five-Year Plan was a great thing since it turned a backwards country into one of the world's largest superpower. We want everyone to have better lives, but when you have corporations exploiting other people with terrible working conditions and 'sleeping' with foreign governments, something isn't right
Christ724 3 months ago
@Christ724 Simple put, the living standards the average Chinese has right now monumentally better than they had before liberlization. No, I didn't mean become a superpower, I meant the living standards in China increased where hundreads of millions can now get an education whereas previously they couldn't, where starvation is no longer prevelant, where people have disposable income, housing. But I agree the government of China should create minimum standards.
Andsormida01 3 months ago
@Andsormida01 it doesn't matter if you meant 'superpower' or 'just better off' by your logic Stalin was a marvelous man because of how he turned a "backwards" country into a superpower in no time, just like the Chinese are 'better off' now than they were under liberalization. The fact that you consider that China should have 'minimum standards' flies in the face of liberalization.
Christ724 3 months ago
@Christ724 No, you stupid fuck, Stalin turned the Soviet Union into a superpower but he did NOT improve their lives- in fact he did the opposite to what globalization has done to China, his policies killed10's of millions of people!. I never advocated for free markets, Liberlization is a loose term describing the process of liberlizing an economy- the end result doesn't have to a fully liberlized economy. Australia and Switzerland both took on liberlization but they they are not fully liberlized
Andsormida01 3 months ago
@Andsormida01 That was the sacrifice that had to be made by your fucked up logic, what about the people that are currently being exploited, beaten, tortured,etc. by the state on behalf of businesses in China or the entire third world for that matter? It did improve the lives of many Russians since people had access to universal education, healthcare, and the like relative to what they had but apparently, to you, the end justifies the means and apparently you have a hard on for outsourcing.
Christ724 3 months ago
@Christ724 Perhaps you are also a fan of food shortages too? and the health-care while 'free' was awful. Indeed, I agree with you on the state crating minimum standards for business to work within however we as consumers controll entirely what these corporations can do and what methods they use. And BTW the Soviet system improved the lives of officials who took the yield from farmers and average citizens to fund their lives- the average citizen experienced food shortages and misery.
Andsormida01 3 months ago
@Christ724 Simply put it, free trade has improved the lives of billions around the world, has offered greater domestic competition and has given us cheaper products.
Andsormida01 3 months ago
@Andsormida01 It still doesn't change the argument, by your logic, it was fine, so long as it was better than before. That's the crux of your justification for exploiting the third world. You sat complaining about NAFTA then you do a 180 and begin to defend globalization then you proceed to say that you'd like for them to have minimum wages and such, even though that flies in the face of everything you've defended. It defeats the purpose of outsourcing.
Christ724 3 months ago
@Christ724 No, what I said was that their would eventually need to be a transition to greater wage regulation. The mistake you've made is that you believe wage regulations and creating a minimum standard is mutually exclusive to a free trade and globalization when it simply isn't and it never should. I'm not saying to increase interference to the point of making unskilled labour undesirable but once the population moves towards a service based economy and domestic consumption there's nothing wro
Andsormida01 3 months ago
@Andsormida01 They are if you actually look at what those corporations do when people TRY to get minimum wage. If the WTO or the IMF doesn't force you to take budget cuts then corporation itself would get the local government to strong arm you into submission (this is essentially what happens in latin america and china). It can't really move into a 'service' based economy because, who's going to get exploited for that to be possible? But again, so much for you complaining about NAFTA
Christ724 3 months ago
@Christ724 ng with creating minimum standards.
Andsormida01 3 months ago
@Andsormida01 and still going by your logic to make the U.S. more competitive, we should get rid of the minimum wage, social security, and most of all social programs so we can compete with China and India!
Christ724 3 months ago
@Christ724 In terms of manufacturing, you could still maintain a minimum wage and be more competitive, however this would require a more decentralized form of employee-employer negotiations.
Andsormida01 3 months ago
@Andsormida01 How? Workers owning the means of production in a democratic fashion?
Christ724 3 months ago
@Andsormida01 "BTW the Soviet system improved the lives of officials who took the yield from farmers and average citizens to fund their lives- the average citizen experienced food shortages and misery." The same can be said for a good portion of the globalized 3rd world.
Christ724 3 months ago
@Christ724 Through the process of globilization, the US trades grain and food with China which has eliminated the previous food shortages experienced under a ccentral system. Plus globalization itself is not an instrument that can work, however when it is coupled with law than it can work- going to third world countries that do not recognize private property laws and have a violent and uncivilized society is unappealing to business. Plus mdern free trade has not been embraced for long.
Andsormida01 3 months ago
"going to third world countries that do not recognize private property laws and have a violent and uncivilized society is unappealing to business" That's what military coups are for.
Christ724 3 months ago
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Dedhedted71 3 months ago
Its the fed and the gov stupid! Occupy the WHITE HOUSE !
out2gtme 3 months ago
@out2gtme So go occupy the WH. don't sit behind a screen and tell protesters what to do, get off your ass and do it yourself.
gmfutube 3 months ago
@gmfutube I have muscular dystrophy and can't get around too well, but I'll tell you one thing, it hasn't affected my thinking ! I'm doing all i can do on my lazy ass, what about you ?
out2gtme 3 months ago
We should ALL be wearing Civil War hats.
dreamdiction 3 months ago 3
He asks, "what do we replace the Fed with?" We were much more stable without the Fed that started the corruption in 1913. I would rather the congress be in charge of the dollar because either way they spend our taxes like idiots, but if the congress were in charge at least they wouldn't be spending it with interest! It's kind of impossible to pay of debt when you have to borrow money with interest to pay off debt. It's a never ending circle that the elite profit from.
unite4peaceonearth 3 months ago
@unite4peaceonearth Now google crash of 1873. Financial bubbles can be created without any help from the Fed. I'm not saying keep the Fed the way it is, but the problem is banking itself. Fractional reserve lending creates hazards that require strict public oversight, with or without the FED
If you stop at ending the Fed, you have done little more than give yourself a false sense of security.
gmfutube 3 months ago
That is a informed guy
no wonder, he's watching the real news after all
StraussBR 3 months ago 17
Is that a Yankee hat? If you don't know, this problem started with the Federalist. Their 17 trillion dollar Debt started with Ft Sumter. The Blow it up and send in carpetbaggers like in Libya started with the civil war. You might need to find a grey hat and embrace the inter the rebel.
btigtime2 3 months ago
@btigtime2 problem with that is that then you are linked to racism. Even though there was a lot more going on at the time of the civil war. People only remember the slavery.
bnewton81 3 months ago
@bnewton81 Yes I know even though it did not become a issue until well into the war...
btigtime2 3 months ago
@btigtime2 What? Go read Mississippi's declaration of secession. It clearly states that the primary issue is the protection of the institution of slavery.
gmfutube 3 months ago
@gmfutube Not denying the slave issue... just saying the issue of controlling commerce and banking to be the bigger issue.... Reconstruction did not bring educators and moralist, it in fact brought predatory corporatist. The Blacks were release like children at the mall.
btigtime2 3 months ago
@bnewton81 I often say the North did not come down to free the slaves, but to enslave us all in debt. It worked too.
btigtime2 3 months ago 2
@btigtime2 Can't argue with that, but you really have to wonder at what their end game was.
bnewton81 3 months ago
@bnewton81 Even if you leave slavery out of it, the condition of the 99% of whites in the old South was pretty bad too. It was a feudal society with a small merchant class and lots of poor.
Just like today, the 1% like to spin the lie that anyone could work hard and move into their class, and even had examples. This line of BS keep the white population docile and worshiping the excess of the 1% as something to admire. Their ignorant descendants still do the same thing today in the south.
gmfutube 3 months ago
@gmfutube Problem as I see it is that we have enough to explain to the public without having to also explain our choice in controversial head wear. Look back at the first comment that started this. Not my comment.
bnewton81 3 months ago
@btigtime2 The south was fighting to maintain the institution of slavery and the Feudal system it operated under. That is what we are looking to avoid returning to on a national level.
gmfutube 3 months ago
soon you are gonna be tired of discussing over and over again
act is needed
yoshidis4 3 months ago
Yay for Paul! Yay for real news!
mystico09 3 months ago
nice civil war hat
captcrais101 3 months ago
Nice to see you out of the studio!
bhikshuni 3 months ago
@bhikshuni i second that.
NDAWNMUSIC 3 months ago
Ask the guys behind you.
hotchicksandpuppies 3 months ago
Voices? Its one voice? wth?
NoNORADon911 3 months ago
Dude ur problem is standing behind you.
maokly1 3 months ago
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NoNORADon911 3 months ago
6:18 Is it possible to be more Jewish?
thebert23 3 months ago 2
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bankers+lawyers+police+judge+politicians+criminals+terrorist+gamblinglords
+rebelnarcopolitician+dictators+rulers+etc = DIRTY CAPITALIST SCAM PIGS.
BANKERS & DRUGLORDS screwed life & society in human history.
BURN THE BANKS. BURN DRUG LORDS ALIVE & OCCUPY THE WORLD...!!!
BURN THE BANKS. BURN DRUG LORDS ALIVE & OCCUPY THE WORLD...!!!
"GOD dont SAVE the LANDGRABBER PIG CAPITALIST QUEEN"
SAVE the ANIMALS & NATURE. END THE DEBT.
kopellhinex 3 months ago
the 1% are not worried at all.
still shopping, driving expensive cars......is it not surprising to know that these people are misguided and think they could do what they want because they have the money.
waffiki 3 months ago
This guy sucks. End the fucking FED.
nadoop 3 months ago
@nadoop Why so hateful? If ending the Fed is the answer, then how do you explain the crash of 1873 (which is closer to today's mess)?
gmfutube 3 months ago
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Look at the jewish people positioning themselves so designed as to convey their presence to the world writ large. Why? What' the manipulation underwriting their behavior? In my mind it show's INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY, they are the causative agent's that underwrite this virulent societal sickness. What I construe as their deceptive tactic(s) proves, in my mind, the legitimacy of this mode of thinking.
wisdomtrek 3 months ago
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wisdomtrek 3 months ago
NOOOOO END THE FEDERAL RESERVE, DON'T AMEND IT. LET THE BODY POLITIC, THROUGH THE REPUBLICAN PROCESS, COINAGE IT'S ON CURRENCY. THE THEFT OF THE MONETARY SYSTEM BY JEW'S IS THE ORIGINATION OF THE CURRENT MALADIES THAT AFFLICT THIS CONSTRUCT. AND MAKE NO MISTAKE, THIS IS JEW IN ORIGINATION AND EXECUTION.
wisdomtrek 3 months ago
Change is not coming. Nothing is coming. Your elected officials will always be bought and paid for by someone. If not the banks, the insurance companies. If not them then the industrial private prisons. If not them then someone else. You keep trying to find ways to represent yourself and we'll keep buying it! Congress? Owned! The senate? Owned. You name it, it's bought and paid for. Your governor, mayor, courts, sheriffs, marshals, cops...bought and paid for, bitches. I am the 1%.
FCKEVRY1 3 months ago 2
Indeed...OccuWDC is with you
DVincentW 3 months ago
Step one, jail or execute the bankers directly responsible for the 2008 fiasco. Step two, shut down the FED and wipe all debts out of existance. Step 3. End fractional reserve banking and fiat currencies. Step 4 gear the entire worlds resources onto green energy infrastructure. Step 5, Jail and execute all the warmongers of the last decade. Step 6. Decentralize food production with hydroponic infrastructure. Step 7. Build technological infrastructure that will automate all human needs.
elbowbiter1 3 months ago
@elbowbiter1 Hahahahahahaha
vNorilor 3 months ago
@vNorilor are you laughing because you don't understand the post, or because it frightens you?
gmfutube 3 months ago
@elbowbiter1 I'm with you!
FCKEVRY1 3 months ago
@elbowbiter1 Imagine a situation in which government tells you any loss you made on a loan will be insured and repayed to you, do you become careless and laissez faire with your loans or do you simply sit there while your competitors are doing business? You know you won't lose any money and can only gain it, so what do you do? Face it buddy, the gov. has as much of the blamce.
Andsormida01 3 months ago
@Andsormida01 I really don't want to get into this much but... sure... I don't NOT blame the useless corrupt scumbags (they're worse than car salesmen). However, as I understand it... wealthy private interests got to where they are today by taking bribes and passing the legislation that is hanging us all out to dry. So... I blame the briber just as much as the bribee. It is madness to blame government alone. I am more of an anrarcho sydicalist so really governments are an irrelevancy to me.
elbowbiter1 3 months ago
@elbowbiter1 It's economically feasible and legal for corporations to provide bribes and buy out the government and as long as the government has that much power and as long as there is a large conglomerate of people who believe that power is justified than it will always be extremely corruptible.
Andsormida01 3 months ago
@Andsormida01 No it isn't legal to bribe. However... there are loopholes. There will always be loop holes. Trust me... the corporate elite have WAY more power than the government. Politicians go to the people with money for hand outs like beggars... "Let me pass the policies you want! I'll suck your dick! Just give me the money!" That is the relationship politicians have with the corporate elite. It ain't the other way around... if it was they would listen to the people... and they don't.
elbowbiter1 3 months ago
@elbowbiter1 Donations, back deals, job assurences are all forms of bribery. The reason they have more power than the government is because they CONTROL government and why do they control it? Because the government has the authority to make them money!! A big government will always be corrupted- these are people in charge dude. The politicians go the people for money to maximize their revenue but for every assured subsidy they gain money from special interest groups-unions and corporations.
Andsormida01 3 months ago
@Andsormida01 Oh, I'm not in disagreement about government having power. I see the interaction the same way you do my friend. If it were up to me... I would declare that money was the problem... because this dynamic will never change. The people with money will always dictate policy with it.
elbowbiter1 3 months ago
Great work!
megamogx 3 months ago
that guy didnt actually say anything
SDTPW 3 months ago 2
I love it, finally Paul got his butt down there =)
HardHouseMusic4Me 3 months ago
That civil war hat on that guy is fucking creepy.
LeathermanFan2 3 months ago
@LeathermanFan2
I think it's kinda cool.
mrx0066600 3 months ago
@mrx0066600 I guess, but it looks cool outside the political events in my opinion.
LeathermanFan2 3 months ago
its good change is coming
JURYJOHMZOMBIE 3 months ago