Senator Celine Hervieux-Payette, are you hungry yet??!
The Senator is pushing Canadian seal carcasses on China, meanwhile she is also pushing for a ban on spanking children because:
“Parents do not own their children. Children are individuals. Their protection should therefore take precedence over the protection of adults and over the imaginary risk of legal action against them.”
But the Senator is ok with BLUDGEONING individual, defenseless animals and demonizing vegetarians!
@animalactivist no need to "demonize vegetarians" you people do a fine job showing your true eco-terrorist colours with videos such as Harp Seals Will Kill YOU. It's obvious the only reason you're into activism is to indulge your sadistic penchant for violence-pr0n under the guise of socially acceptable animal rights activism. You vegans are just a contemporary version of the old anti-vice squads, and just as depraved yourselves.
@mariatechnosux Huh? Your comment doesn't even make sense! I have never even seen the video you refer to, so why are bothering to address me? I am committed to non-violence, so you obviously don't know me, or what you are talking about. Think about how you have chosen in your comments to demonize a whole group of individuals ...and ask yourself if you haven't done the same thing to the seals you have no interest in thinking about as individuals either...then ask yourself "WHY NOT?"
@animalactivist Dude, you haven't even seen The Harp Seals Are Gonna Kill YOU video on this channel? OK, instead of screaming BACK at me, which doesn't help anything or anyone, why don't you instead click on the channel name "EXITOPHELIA" and go watch that specific video. Even animal rights activists like yourself thought that video was sick and mostly gave it the thumbs down. Go watch it, then come back and read again what I said.
@mariatechnosux "and ask yourself if you haven't done the same thing to the seals you have no interest in thinking about as individuals either" <-- I am pretty sure those alleged "individuals" you speak of (anthropomorphizing animals which is fallacious in and of itself) feel about you the exact same way they feel about the fish they swallow whole everyday day: you're just too big a fish for them to swallow, otherwise I'm sure you'd not be sitting here nice and comfortable behind your Youtube.
@mariatechnosux Maria, recognizing individuals as such, is not a from of anthropomorphizing. It isn't necessary to project human attributes on to another animal to recognize their unique natures- within the construct of the species to which they belong. Seals are designed to predate on fish, and if you know anything about marine biology you know that they do not forage completely indiscriminately…they 'know' what they are eating…(TBC)
@animalactivist But while discriminating between one food source and another, they are doing so as nature intended, regardless of the view by many fishers that they "shouldn't eat all the fish they do!" THAT viewpoint is what I call 'anthropocentric! - a human projection of 'our' competitive nature, which, unlike the nature of pinnipeds is so often wasteful, and wantonly indiscriminate, even though we have the capacity NOT to be this way.
@mariatechnosux Uh, screaming? If by 'screaming', you mean the capitalized letters that asked you a specific question- my bad. My intention was to simply highlight a question- which you haven't answered.
And no thank, why would I even bother to look at that video? You make clear it is a complete waste of time even for ar activists. You mistakenly chose to link said video in a comment to me, with no grounds for doing so, other than the fact that you like to sterotype.
@animalactivist I sincerely hope you never have the misfortunate of witnessing - much less experiencing - pure, wild, uncastrated, unbridled nature, you will come away with PTSD trauma considering your Disney-esque delusions about the animal world.
@mariatechnosux Maria, how on earth would you know what I have or have not already experienced in the 'real' world? I grew up on the east coast so I certainly know what it's like to fear the ocean, and that sealers have a hard brutal life that doesn't save them from the sheer raw power of the nature you describe, either. Why do you assume people who are opposed to the brutality of the seal hunt are all soft-bellied urbanites?
@animalactivist And I mean no offence to urbanites! (who have an equal obligation to confront barbaric practises that have no place in the 21st century- like seal hunting). As someone on the defensive about this practise, you need to start asking yourself some hard questions, and facing up to the truth about the seal slaughter. Stop wasting time treading water! Help sealers find meaningful employment that they can feel proud of. Yes, that will require thinking about them as 'individuals'.
@animalactivist "barbaric practises that have no place in the 21st century" <-- this statement assumes a linear progression of human development towards some unspecified inevitably higher plane, which is not in line with *factual* human history. Empires rise and fall, dark ages come and go. To assign particular barbarism to seal hunting is manipulatively ideological.
@mariatechnosux I think that framing the commercial seal hunt today as "necessary" and "humane" is exactly that- "manipulatively ideological". Who exactly is on a 'higher plane' here? Interesting choice of words! Yes, empires rise and fall, and along the way humans have evolved to reconsider many of our actions. This includes how we treat others- including other animals. Get used to it!
@animalactivist I am not talking about "fearing the ocean", don't resort to abstractions, I am talking about fearing the hungry creatures within it to the point where you'd want to kill as many of them as you can. You don't like the seal hunt because you think seals are "cute", which is a Disneyfied view of reality. It is both healthy and normal to fear/despise animals and to not look upon them as cute. I cannot imagine anyone who has experienced unbridled nature having any pretenses about that.
@animalactivist I am not talking about "fearing the ocean", don't resort to abstractions, I am talking about fearing the hungry creatures within it to the point where you'd want to kill as many of them as you can. You don't like the seal hunt because you think seals are "cute", which is a Disneyfied view of reality. It is both healthy and normal to fear/despise animals and to not look upon them as cute. I cannot imagine anyone who has experienced unbridled nature having any pretenses about that.
@mariatechnosux LOL! Maria, show me where I have said anywhere that I oppose the seal hunt because I "think seals are cute"! I'm not the one living in your Disney fantasy world…I'm beginning to wonder if you can't even recognize that 'the ocean' is an entire ecosystem, made up of thousands of species…it isn't just a body of water with animals swimming around in it that you have decided don't belong there. Seriously, get educated about the marine environment!
@animalactivist Actually, this is where you are being presumptuous. I live in a coastal country half of which would be under the sea if it weren't for our cutting edge system of dykes and dunes keeping the sea at bay. Considering the intimate relationship of my country with the sea, if there is anywhere in the world where children are taught everything there is to know about the marine environment from an early age it is certainly my country. Thank you for insulting our educational system.
@mariatechnosux No 'insult' intended, Maria. I do indeed question whatever educational system has influenced your own way of thinking however, if it has led you to believe some of the things you have stated. But I don't 'presume' to know what the educational system of your 'country' includes, or doesn't include. And really, I don't care at this point in time to hear about it. I have better things to do with my time that to continue engaging in fruitless debate with you here….
So, don't take it too personally that I'm done with this thread, Maria. I do hope you'll take a stand against the completely unnecessary cruelty of the commercial seal hunt one day. Best wishes to you! Ciao.
@animalactivist "I have better things to do with my time that to continue engaging in fruitless debate with you" Indeed, after you've accused someone of ignorance, why bother learning about another coastal country's educational system and what it teaches children about the marine environment, when you can wallow in your American cultural imperialism. Everyone knows America teaches its children how to properly judge what is barbarian, with the proper administration of bombs if need be.
@mariatechnosux Jeez, Marie. You do have a way with words! I'm sorry you are so unhappy about people confronting cruelty in this world. If everyone who dares to disagree with you is also 'arrogant', 'presumptuous','pretentious', 'manipulatively ideological', 'American', etc, you must be very lonely. I'm sorry if that's the case, because you are dead wrong about me, and so probably about a lot of things.
@animalactivist "You do have a way with words!" - you've been watching too many Sea Shepherd videos wherein they show foreign people who've never learned English repeating 2 swear words at the camera. Expecting *all* of your intellectual opponents to be as illiterate and uninformed as the Sea Shepherd propaganda machine makes them out to be is a fault of your own, not a fault of your opponents for not stooping to a low level of discourse you've asigned them to based on such racist propaganda.
@animalactivist "sorry you are so unhappy about people confronting cruelty", compounded by the activists involved NOT confronting cultural imperialism, western privilege, white supremacy, the greening of hate, the century long history of eco-fascism, all of which makes me even more unhappy.
Also…who taught you that it is "both healthy and normal to fear/despise animals and to not look upon them as cute"….?? There is nothing 'normal OR healthy' about 'despising' animals…this is seriously deluded. Fear of harm, IS normal, since it may save your life. Ongoing, irrational fear is a learned response, however. Fortunately, people learn to overcome irrational fears every day. Good luck with that.
@animalactivist Oh, but you think you can go against 200 000 of years of evolutionary programming meant to help you avoid being fatally stung, bitten, scratched, attacked, assaulted, torn to pieces, eaten alive by the competition for resources? Good luck to YOU madam! Remember, if you were fish-sized, I know what those supposedly cute seals would be doing with you. You can watch Exit Orphelia's other video to find out for yourself.
sealhuntifawcanada. Stopping the hunt is your beleif, But dont be saying its not a real job. Look at the risks these sealers. For some people this is a way of life and a way to put food on the table. And you have to think. For some sealers getting that first kill is extremely hard and emotional. And untill you have a profession that is life risking 24/7 dont be saying its not a "real" job.
It's true that the seal hunt does take up Canadian taxes. But if there was no seal hunt the taxes would be higher, considering the fact that the seal hunt does bring in money to support those that need it. The hunt does keep some people off welfare. And don't Blame every fishermen. Truth is not all fishermen in Newfoundland is a sealer. and if you people boycott the fisheries your harming more than just those sealers. If you shut down the fisheries more people would be on welfare.
One other thing. If sealing is as bad as the video describes it,how come the harp seal population has trippled since 1970 and the population stands at about 5-6 million. There are over 600,000 deer killed each year so how come noone is saying save the deer. The only reason why people are fighting for the harp seal is the "cute facter." A slaughter house is much worst the the pictures of bloody pelts on the ice. There are six types of seals on the endagered list. Harp seal isnt one of them
good video, the seal at 1:59 is dead. Seals have a swimming reflex thatt occurs evan after death. If you boycott canadian sea food you ruin the economy for the poor economy that newfoundland already has and you get rid of the millions of dollars and the industry newfoundland relies on. you are pretty much putting an animals life before another humans livelihood and that could result in tons of familys that have little money and can barely afford the cost for everyday nesesities
Senator Celine Hervieux-Payette, are you hungry yet??!
The Senator is pushing Canadian seal carcasses on China, meanwhile she is also pushing for a ban on spanking children because:
“Parents do not own their children. Children are individuals. Their protection should therefore take precedence over the protection of adults and over the imaginary risk of legal action against them.”
But the Senator is ok with BLUDGEONING individual, defenseless animals and demonizing vegetarians!
END THE HUNT!
animalactivist 1 year ago
@animalactivist no need to "demonize vegetarians" you people do a fine job showing your true eco-terrorist colours with videos such as Harp Seals Will Kill YOU. It's obvious the only reason you're into activism is to indulge your sadistic penchant for violence-pr0n under the guise of socially acceptable animal rights activism. You vegans are just a contemporary version of the old anti-vice squads, and just as depraved yourselves.
mariatechnosux 3 weeks ago
@mariatechnosux Huh? Your comment doesn't even make sense! I have never even seen the video you refer to, so why are bothering to address me? I am committed to non-violence, so you obviously don't know me, or what you are talking about. Think about how you have chosen in your comments to demonize a whole group of individuals ...and ask yourself if you haven't done the same thing to the seals you have no interest in thinking about as individuals either...then ask yourself "WHY NOT?"
animalactivist 3 weeks ago
@animalactivist Dude, you haven't even seen The Harp Seals Are Gonna Kill YOU video on this channel? OK, instead of screaming BACK at me, which doesn't help anything or anyone, why don't you instead click on the channel name "EXITOPHELIA" and go watch that specific video. Even animal rights activists like yourself thought that video was sick and mostly gave it the thumbs down. Go watch it, then come back and read again what I said.
mariatechnosux 3 weeks ago
@mariatechnosux "and ask yourself if you haven't done the same thing to the seals you have no interest in thinking about as individuals either" <-- I am pretty sure those alleged "individuals" you speak of (anthropomorphizing animals which is fallacious in and of itself) feel about you the exact same way they feel about the fish they swallow whole everyday day: you're just too big a fish for them to swallow, otherwise I'm sure you'd not be sitting here nice and comfortable behind your Youtube.
mariatechnosux 3 weeks ago
@mariatechnosux Maria, recognizing individuals as such, is not a from of anthropomorphizing. It isn't necessary to project human attributes on to another animal to recognize their unique natures- within the construct of the species to which they belong. Seals are designed to predate on fish, and if you know anything about marine biology you know that they do not forage completely indiscriminately…they 'know' what they are eating…(TBC)
animalactivist 3 weeks ago
@animalactivist But while discriminating between one food source and another, they are doing so as nature intended, regardless of the view by many fishers that they "shouldn't eat all the fish they do!" THAT viewpoint is what I call 'anthropocentric! - a human projection of 'our' competitive nature, which, unlike the nature of pinnipeds is so often wasteful, and wantonly indiscriminate, even though we have the capacity NOT to be this way.
animalactivist 3 weeks ago
@mariatechnosux Uh, screaming? If by 'screaming', you mean the capitalized letters that asked you a specific question- my bad. My intention was to simply highlight a question- which you haven't answered.
And no thank, why would I even bother to look at that video? You make clear it is a complete waste of time even for ar activists. You mistakenly chose to link said video in a comment to me, with no grounds for doing so, other than the fact that you like to sterotype.
animalactivist 3 weeks ago
@animalactivist I sincerely hope you never have the misfortunate of witnessing - much less experiencing - pure, wild, uncastrated, unbridled nature, you will come away with PTSD trauma considering your Disney-esque delusions about the animal world.
mariatechnosux 3 weeks ago
@mariatechnosux Maria, how on earth would you know what I have or have not already experienced in the 'real' world? I grew up on the east coast so I certainly know what it's like to fear the ocean, and that sealers have a hard brutal life that doesn't save them from the sheer raw power of the nature you describe, either. Why do you assume people who are opposed to the brutality of the seal hunt are all soft-bellied urbanites?
animalactivist 3 weeks ago
@animalactivist And I mean no offence to urbanites! (who have an equal obligation to confront barbaric practises that have no place in the 21st century- like seal hunting). As someone on the defensive about this practise, you need to start asking yourself some hard questions, and facing up to the truth about the seal slaughter. Stop wasting time treading water! Help sealers find meaningful employment that they can feel proud of. Yes, that will require thinking about them as 'individuals'.
animalactivist 3 weeks ago
@animalactivist "barbaric practises that have no place in the 21st century" <-- this statement assumes a linear progression of human development towards some unspecified inevitably higher plane, which is not in line with *factual* human history. Empires rise and fall, dark ages come and go. To assign particular barbarism to seal hunting is manipulatively ideological.
mariatechnosux 3 weeks ago
@mariatechnosux I think that framing the commercial seal hunt today as "necessary" and "humane" is exactly that- "manipulatively ideological". Who exactly is on a 'higher plane' here? Interesting choice of words! Yes, empires rise and fall, and along the way humans have evolved to reconsider many of our actions. This includes how we treat others- including other animals. Get used to it!
animalactivist 3 weeks ago
@animalactivist I am not talking about "fearing the ocean", don't resort to abstractions, I am talking about fearing the hungry creatures within it to the point where you'd want to kill as many of them as you can. You don't like the seal hunt because you think seals are "cute", which is a Disneyfied view of reality. It is both healthy and normal to fear/despise animals and to not look upon them as cute. I cannot imagine anyone who has experienced unbridled nature having any pretenses about that.
mariatechnosux 3 weeks ago
@animalactivist I am not talking about "fearing the ocean", don't resort to abstractions, I am talking about fearing the hungry creatures within it to the point where you'd want to kill as many of them as you can. You don't like the seal hunt because you think seals are "cute", which is a Disneyfied view of reality. It is both healthy and normal to fear/despise animals and to not look upon them as cute. I cannot imagine anyone who has experienced unbridled nature having any pretenses about that.
mariatechnosux 3 weeks ago
@mariatechnosux LOL! Maria, show me where I have said anywhere that I oppose the seal hunt because I "think seals are cute"! I'm not the one living in your Disney fantasy world…I'm beginning to wonder if you can't even recognize that 'the ocean' is an entire ecosystem, made up of thousands of species…it isn't just a body of water with animals swimming around in it that you have decided don't belong there. Seriously, get educated about the marine environment!
animalactivist 3 weeks ago
@animalactivist Actually, this is where you are being presumptuous. I live in a coastal country half of which would be under the sea if it weren't for our cutting edge system of dykes and dunes keeping the sea at bay. Considering the intimate relationship of my country with the sea, if there is anywhere in the world where children are taught everything there is to know about the marine environment from an early age it is certainly my country. Thank you for insulting our educational system.
mariatechnosux 3 weeks ago
@mariatechnosux No 'insult' intended, Maria. I do indeed question whatever educational system has influenced your own way of thinking however, if it has led you to believe some of the things you have stated. But I don't 'presume' to know what the educational system of your 'country' includes, or doesn't include. And really, I don't care at this point in time to hear about it. I have better things to do with my time that to continue engaging in fruitless debate with you here….
animalactivist 3 weeks ago
So, don't take it too personally that I'm done with this thread, Maria. I do hope you'll take a stand against the completely unnecessary cruelty of the commercial seal hunt one day. Best wishes to you! Ciao.
animalactivist 3 weeks ago
@animalactivist "I have better things to do with my time that to continue engaging in fruitless debate with you" Indeed, after you've accused someone of ignorance, why bother learning about another coastal country's educational system and what it teaches children about the marine environment, when you can wallow in your American cultural imperialism. Everyone knows America teaches its children how to properly judge what is barbarian, with the proper administration of bombs if need be.
mariatechnosux 3 weeks ago
@mariatechnosux I wouldn't know. I don't live in America. Cheers.
animalactivist 3 weeks ago
@animalactivist So? You sound exactly just like an arrogant cultural imperialist American. That's even worse than actually being one.
mariatechnosux 3 weeks ago
@mariatechnosux Jeez, Marie. You do have a way with words! I'm sorry you are so unhappy about people confronting cruelty in this world. If everyone who dares to disagree with you is also 'arrogant', 'presumptuous','pretentious', 'manipulatively ideological', 'American', etc, you must be very lonely. I'm sorry if that's the case, because you are dead wrong about me, and so probably about a lot of things.
animalactivist 3 weeks ago
@animalactivist "You do have a way with words!" - you've been watching too many Sea Shepherd videos wherein they show foreign people who've never learned English repeating 2 swear words at the camera. Expecting *all* of your intellectual opponents to be as illiterate and uninformed as the Sea Shepherd propaganda machine makes them out to be is a fault of your own, not a fault of your opponents for not stooping to a low level of discourse you've asigned them to based on such racist propaganda.
mariatechnosux 3 weeks ago
@animalactivist "sorry you are so unhappy about people confronting cruelty", compounded by the activists involved NOT confronting cultural imperialism, western privilege, white supremacy, the greening of hate, the century long history of eco-fascism, all of which makes me even more unhappy.
mariatechnosux 3 weeks ago
Also…who taught you that it is "both healthy and normal to fear/despise animals and to not look upon them as cute"….?? There is nothing 'normal OR healthy' about 'despising' animals…this is seriously deluded. Fear of harm, IS normal, since it may save your life. Ongoing, irrational fear is a learned response, however. Fortunately, people learn to overcome irrational fears every day. Good luck with that.
animalactivist 3 weeks ago
@animalactivist Oh, but you think you can go against 200 000 of years of evolutionary programming meant to help you avoid being fatally stung, bitten, scratched, attacked, assaulted, torn to pieces, eaten alive by the competition for resources? Good luck to YOU madam! Remember, if you were fish-sized, I know what those supposedly cute seals would be doing with you. You can watch Exit Orphelia's other video to find out for yourself.
mariatechnosux 3 weeks ago
i fill bad for them;[.
angellinares90 1 year ago
wow....
coldbadger 3 years ago
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sealhuntifawcanada. Stopping the hunt is your beleif, But dont be saying its not a real job. Look at the risks these sealers. For some people this is a way of life and a way to put food on the table. And you have to think. For some sealers getting that first kill is extremely hard and emotional. And untill you have a profession that is life risking 24/7 dont be saying its not a "real" job.
spitfire0011 3 years ago
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The population has increased since 1970. It hasnt tripled. its more around 4-5 million.
spitfire0011 3 years ago
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It's true that the seal hunt does take up Canadian taxes. But if there was no seal hunt the taxes would be higher, considering the fact that the seal hunt does bring in money to support those that need it. The hunt does keep some people off welfare. And don't Blame every fishermen. Truth is not all fishermen in Newfoundland is a sealer. and if you people boycott the fisheries your harming more than just those sealers. If you shut down the fisheries more people would be on welfare.
spitfire0011 3 years ago
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Paul Watson admitted that the only reason why the SSCS was fighting for the plight of the seal was that it was easier to raise money.
spitfire0011 3 years ago
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One other thing. If sealing is as bad as the video describes it,how come the harp seal population has trippled since 1970 and the population stands at about 5-6 million. There are over 600,000 deer killed each year so how come noone is saying save the deer. The only reason why people are fighting for the harp seal is the "cute facter." A slaughter house is much worst the the pictures of bloody pelts on the ice. There are six types of seals on the endagered list. Harp seal isnt one of them
spitfire0011 3 years ago
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good video, the seal at 1:59 is dead. Seals have a swimming reflex thatt occurs evan after death. If you boycott canadian sea food you ruin the economy for the poor economy that newfoundland already has and you get rid of the millions of dollars and the industry newfoundland relies on. you are pretty much putting an animals life before another humans livelihood and that could result in tons of familys that have little money and can barely afford the cost for everyday nesesities
spitfire0011 3 years ago