The notes first violin plays towards the end of the music really spice up! Who's edition is it? or is his own? Does anyone know if there is such edition?
According to a audio documentary he devoted this piece to his wife, if so he has done a good job of making the violins a personification of intimate love. and also writing a amazingly crafted piece of music which bach if famous for. Emotion, art, logic bach incorperates all these things into his music. That is why it sounds fucking awesome. :D:D
Gorgeous. His string work is underrated because he's so well known as a keyboardist. The Chaconne, Cell Concerto pt one. Like Handel he also masteed string composition.
@BaronVonLichtenstein You mean the cello suites? Handel sometimes never even finished his keyboard and string compositions. And honestly, most of those are mediocre anyway.
@NimbleTurtle13 Lookup Handel Complete Violin Sonatas. It isn't Vivaldi, it's understated bt sublime nonetheless. Writers write with their heads not their fingers. A great composer can write for any instrument, though it takes virtuosity to write for keyboards like Bach, Lizst, Scarlatti or Rachmaninoff, Vivaldi or Paganini for Violin. But writing is more than complexity or virtuosity. Bachs Chaconne is one of the best written violin pieces in human history and it was written by a keyboardist.
@BaronVonLichtenstein Handel's violin sonatas are the ones I did exclude as what I considered complete mediocrity. You seem to be not aware - like many - of the extent to which Bach played the violin. He was an extremely accomplished violinist. What makes Bach a supreme composer in all genres is because he composed abstractly, not narrowing his mind strictly by the sound of instruments. Compare with Scarlatti for example, whose pieces are more favored towards the harpsichord than the piano.
@NimbleTurtle13 Scarlatti is probably a better writer for keyboards than Bach in terms of complexity and consistency. The thing is, Bachs peaks, transcend just about anyone elses. You have Mozarts Requiem which is in my mind the greatest 45 minutes ever composed. But there are Bach pieces that are superhuman. Air, Ariosa, Well Tempered Clavier 1, Chaconne, Cell Concerto 1, etc. Its like pop music. There are a lot of consistent artists out now but they arent the Beatles. Vivaldi was also great.
@NimbleTurtle13 i write a lot and learned to apply what I leaned on guitar to keys and visa versa. Or play the trumpet sound like a keyboard ostinata. The melodies come from the head, so the instrument doesnt matter. People learn things then cant unlearn them so they become predictable. Bachs Partitia 2 was the kitchen sink of violin technique. It would be avant garde if it came out today. Vivaldi wrote this piece that sounds like he was using a digital delay. Crazy ahead of their time.
sweet :) ah their chords not like this age. ''A'' (la) isn't like 440 around, sounds begining with ''E'' but its ''F'' actually. they chorded according to boraque style i guess. knowing that, notes was a bit flat at baroque days. and became sharper and sharper. players sharpened a bit more and more day by day their chords for more brillant and shiny tunes. and our notes are half tone sharp from the begining.
I have had the privilege to perform this with an extraordinary violinist. It was ironical that this is the song that went through my mind, right when I saw my father's last breath, because of the strong feelings that I have for the violinist who performed it with me ... different kinds, but always Love
@EstefanyMushi Las variaciones me parcen una sucesion de notas muy vella, sin embargo, es en el minuto mencionado (pocos segundos despues) donde cae una nota falsa (si es que se le puede llamar asi) ejecutada por la violinista. Inclusive, es evidente que ambos violinistas se dieron cuenta de este pequeño detalle, debido a sus expreciones cuando éste sucede (el violinista voltea a ver a la violinista, mientras que ésta muestra una leve sonrisa por el cometido)...
@6alem Bueno, la verdad casi no se nota, y más bien yo creo que se le salió un raspón, o no se como se le podrá llamar pero bueno, nadie es perfecto, hasta los más grandes les pasa, hasta a mi maestro le escuche dos veces y el es un gran violinista, la verdad que casi no se nota, al menos el lo disimula muy bien, y cuando ella sonrie parece q es porque esta disfrutando la música, y bueno como dijiste que fue en el minuto 5:37 lo escuché varias veces y no vi nada, la música es exacta.
@6alem Bueno, la verdad casi no se nota, y más bien yo creo que se le salió un raspón, o no se como se le podrá llamar pero bueno, nadie es perfecto, hasta los más grandes les pasa, hasta a mi maestro le escuche dos veces y el es un gran violinista, la verdad que casi no se nota, al menos el lo disimula muy bien, y cuando ella sonrie parece q es porque esta disfrutando la música, y bueno como dijiste que fue en el minuto 5:37 lo escuché varias veces y no vi nada, la música es exacta.
@6alem En realidad no hay ninguna equivocación en el minuto 5:37, si te fijas bien, el violinista Andrew Manze hace variaciones de la partitura original, (en todo el movimiento) talvez estamos acostumbrados a oir otras versiones mas fieles a la original compuesta por Bach, pero existen miles de variaciones, yo misma he tocado una que me gusta mucho, y es diferente a esta, me parece lindo como entra en esa parte que mencionas, es un arpegio ascendente hasta llegar el do justo donde empieza el do.
A lot of people make these stupid god comments. I'm an atheist and I find this song absolutely brilliant. Good music is good music in itself, what an insult to give some dumb god credit. This was all Bach.
Bach himself was deeply religious and wrote his music to please his maker, as well. There's no reason to find other people's belief in a divine being and/or its manifestation in this piece of music insulting.
Was making an observation. I never felt insulted but thought it would be a bit insulting to Bach. If Bach had a belief or not makes no difference, he wrote the music and not god. Either way, forget what I said. I love the song.
For those who grew up listening to stalwarts like Stern and Perlman performing this, this performance might be difficult; however, this dynamic approach stripped of all the 20th century superfluous vibrato is simply amazing. These two are rock stars in my book. The inventiveness and muscianship here are top-notch. The only two negatives I could possibly dredge up are the inferior sound quality of the clip and Manze's adventure in harmonic invention at 2:44.
@awyliu This isn't a competition. Andrew isn't perhaps blessed with the tone of a Gil Shaham, but he is a sublime communicator. He's been dogged by such comments - even back when he lead his county youth orchestra. Someone back then said I was a better violinist than AM - but here I am in IT, and it's Andrew making the records. You will (like I have) just have to accept he has an X factor. Although perhaps now Andrew is more of a conductor these days he has found his proper niche?!
I love how they "talk" to each other trough their communication here. They really get the Conversation clearly out that was so essential to baroque music.
Lack of talent can not be hidden: incapable violinists should not try to mask their inability by pretending that a lack of vibrato and a poor left hand technique are the real period traits. Shame on the entire " period music" fraud....
Es ist unglaublich, was diese Musik (diese phantastische freie barocke Interpretation) mit einem macht. Man kann sich dieser unglaublichen Lebendigkeit, Freiheit und Schönheit nicht entziehen!
Just good music, nothing else: the right pitch, the right instruments, the right way to play; transcendental, no brassy vibrato, the Dorothy DeLay school seems forgotten.
Que bom que esses geniais da música existem, eu digo existem, porque são eternos, imortais...Porque do contrário, o que seria de nossos ouvidos hoje em dia com tantas porcarias sendo lançadas como se fossem música...
this movement is devine - no doubt about that. but it is more: it is human, it is bach. (like l. v. beethoven said: nicht Bach, Meer sollte er heißen - "his name should not be 'Bach' (=creek), but ocean")
bach = the best. i have heard that this piece was meant to be like a conversation, or love-making, etc of two lovers. the two violins almost play to each other like an intimate pair.
personally, i think the best version of this is the malcolm mcnab one - hes jst released a new album with him playing this concerto on trumpet! sounds amazing!
Yes, it is special because the violinists are at least partially facing each other, the first time I have seen this. I think they should be totally facing each other because each part drafts off the other. I have never seen it done this way and would like to recommend it to any great violinists who might be reading this. I think you, and the audience, would find it a moving experience.
@safetychoice The reason it isn't done this way is because it would require one violinist's f-holes to face the back of the hall/venue. This would make that violin acoustically handicapped compared to the other part.
ok, it's not a romantic type of performance, and it's also not a song. it's a piece. stop posing as real musicians if you're going to critique. what do you mean, I"M PLAYING THE PIANO PART OF THIS SONG?
I've always thought that this movement, more than any by Bach, is a reflection of his faith in God, as if in the end there is a serenity in his certainty. It is sublime.
@BBRENTTAGHAPP Composers wrote music for the Mass because they were hired to do so, had a commisson to fulfill or were seeking favor or an appointment, not because God moved them to do so. Bach submitted his original B-minor Mass (Kyrie/Gloria) to the Catholic Polish King/Saxon Elector in Dresden (then the musical capital of Germany) hoping to get royal/electoral protection in dealing with the Leipzig town officials. Eventually Bach was named Royal Polish and Saxon Electoral Court Composer.
@wcbroccoli how do you know that Bach was not also inspired by God? To write something of such quality and reverence isn't very easy. And by parody do you mean a piece based on a preexisting work?
@BBRENTTAGHAPP How do you know he was inspired by a god? How do you even know there is a god, goddess, gods, or overlords? "Parody" is the term musicologists use to refer to a repurposed a composition & was very common in the Baroque. The Osanna from B minor Mass was adapted from 1st movement of cantata BWV 215 written to celebrate the anniversary of the election of Augustus III, the Duke Elector of Saxony, as King of the Polish Commonwealth.
@BBRENTTAGHAPP Most of the music in Bach's B-minor Mass was not written for any Mass. Most of the movements are parodies of cantata movements. Even his other so-called "Lutheran Masses" are parodies of cantata movements.
@BBRENTTAGHAPP That is what they taught since the Middle Ages! and in the Latin schools Lutheran boys attended in Bach's era. Bach attended a Latin school! Where do you think he got these ideas? In the Catholic parochial school I attended they taught us to write things like "All through Jesus", SDG ("For the glory of God alone", JJ (Jesu help). Do you think Bach invented these things? Everyone in Bach's era was deeply religious.
@BBRENTTAGHAPP Yes, everyone was religious, but no god was talking to any of them. No one was any more inspired by a god than a painter is inspired by a sunset..
@BBRENTTAGHAPP The text of1st movment from the secular congratulatory cantata BWV 215: "Praise now thy blessings, O fortunate Saxon, For God the throne of thy King hath upheld. O happy land, Thanks give to heaven and kiss now the hand Which makes thy fortune each day ever greater And all thy townsmen to safety hath brought." was changed to "Osanna in excelsis" with slight changes to the music to fit the new text. So much for your fantasy that Bach was divinely inspired to write the Mass.
@BBRENTTAGHAPP God said to Bach, "When you write the Osanna, you should reuse the very cool congratulatory music you wrote for the Saxon Duke Elector/King in Poland. Just change the words to "osanna in excelsis" and make a few changes to the music to fit the new words. No one, including BBRENTAGHAPP, will know the difference. I, your God, will still get the credit for divinely inspiring you.
@wcbroccoli well let's get feisty now. first off, i never said that this was God's music. it's BACH's music. second, the point i was making was that Bach's reverence/awe of God played a major role in his compositions. and didn't Bach sign his manuscripts with "AMDG" which means To the Greater Glory of God? so chill out buddy, goodness.
@BBRENTTAGHAPP I never said you said that. As with all composers of his era & before, Bach's approach to creating sacred music was the same as secular music. That's why he had no difficulty or objection to converting a congratualory piece into a sacred piece. Adding SDG, JJ, etc. was not unusual in Bach's era and predates him. When some people say Bach's sacred music was "Inspired by God", they mean they believe God intervened in the creative process, not merely that the composer was devout..
@qvetch I always think about God (and all the beauty he has created) when I hear this movement, I love it and I admire Bach so much, he is my favorite composer, nothing compares to Bach... I feel so emotional with this music, and I wanna say to others, that Bach was very religious SO probably he was thiking about God when he wrote this, anyway it' s the way WE think and OUR feelings about God, and those that are not believers may have a little respect to us, so think what you want about this
This a beautiful rendition, i love it when 2 masters get together and do things a bit different - particularly when they know the piece so intimately. So, thanks.
This particular section- I imagine it to be what the relationship of a binary star would sound like if their synergy was translated through the medium of classical music- each singing to each other, intrinsically bound to each other till their end in the great vastness of the universe.
It's ok. Kind of like when you make waffles and you look in the fridge and there is no syrup. or like a veggie burger.... Best version in Jean Lamon and Tafelmusik's...... the playing here is consevatory blah... Show me some guts not dry toast. I don't care how someone looks, should be beyond that. This is why the music industry is a fucking joke.. NO moxy all fluff
While I agree that Lamon is truly great, I must say I have no idea how it is possible to refer to Manze as "conservatory blah" (I DO like the choice of words though, conservatory blah IS a huge problem, particularly here in the US). Actually, I have studied with Jean and Ivars and I would suggest that the Tafelmusik paradigm is actually a bit more conservative than Manze. Check out the recording he did of the Emanuel Bach 183 Sinfonias... it's truly wild!
yeah maybe "blah" is a bit much.. lol maybe the recording itself is what I don't care for it is a bit dry. Tafelmusik's recordings of these concertos have a luminous quality of sound and unity of direction ensemble-wise. I don't know what it is about the recordings but I consider them the benchmark. I do not wish to disrespect Manze, he has done more for music than I have typing on this computer and I give him props for what he has acheived and like other recordings of his.
You know, I must admit, though, that when it comes to Sebastian Bach in particular, I would almost always take Lamon over Manze. I find her to be more refined, and for some reason that seems to lend itself to Papa Bach's personal brand of über-Germanicism...
Tafelmusik's Brandenburgs, for instance, remain the unchallenged gold-standard for me!
Just thinking out loud here, I didn't mean to pick on you earlier!
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Obviously I am the only person, who doesn't like these two...they are exaggerating too much...plus the out-of-tune note at 2:12....that should not happen to proffesionals
Thanks so much for posting this. I remember seeing the live TV broadcast of this from the Proms, and being mesmerised by the playing and the rapport between the two violinists. Wonderful, intimate music making and a great performance.
And also: The ornaments Andrew Manze plays at the end of the movement are just wonderfull. And any musician knows how damnd difficult it is to ornament Bach!!
@irinastroh And baroque violins and gut strings. You can tell by the lack of resonance created by a modern bass-board in the instrument and non-metal strings and the shortened fingerboard (they didn't go up all that high back then).
beautiful...amazing..
cabjdavid 22 hours ago
@erroll9621 noi, no tots tenim la sort de ser tant trempats com tu, ja m'entens.
jgbusquets 6 days ago
God visited Bach and inspired him... maybe God sang this tune for him... I can't find no other way to describe this music.
jgbusquets 1 week ago
@jgbusquets if that is the only way you can find to describe it, then you are quite limited indeed.
erroll9621 1 week ago
BBC Proms 2004
-Prom 47 of 2004 season. Royal Albert Hall, London, on Saturday 21 August 2004
performers:
Andrew Manze, 1st violin/director
Rachel Podger, 2nd violin
The English Concert
rrquatro 1 week ago
No emotion. Sounds like two robots going at it. Sorry.
Nime64 1 month ago
@Nime64 agreed
milstein91 3 days ago
When Asians do this, there's this tiny bit of it missing. Perhaps Godel can speak to this. Discuss.
je25ff 1 month ago
just listen the dialog between the 2 violins ,,,
gabi6411 1 month ago
29 people were owned by Bach
Knutbeppo1 1 month ago
that there is this music and that I am able to be touched by it convinces me that there must be something we can call god.
nurdieh555 1 month ago
@nurdieh555 maybe ourselves :D
phoenix1925 1 month ago
Hammer - awesome! nix LOL!
camposi 1 month ago
And God spoke to Bach...
guilherme1957 2 months ago
The notes first violin plays towards the end of the music really spice up! Who's edition is it? or is his own? Does anyone know if there is such edition?
SeanMinn 3 months ago
@SeanMinn i didn't recognize it either. maybe it's just him. i agree, i also wanna know!
partypenny 3 months ago
@SeanMinn LOL It's just some smalzy improvisation to cater to a low brow audience that enjoys a dog and pony show.. No "edition"!
1banders 2 months ago
2:50 - 4:00 <3
peppe89sr1 3 months ago
Rachel violin sounds like shit... am I the only violonist who think that ?
nilsvids 3 months ago
@nilsvids yes you are
PsanterShelZahav 2 months ago
Excellent, thanks. Part 1?
tubo1812 4 months ago
The fact that there are dislikes for this says everything you'll ever need to know about humans.
Jonnybass7 5 months ago
According to a audio documentary he devoted this piece to his wife, if so he has done a good job of making the violins a personification of intimate love. and also writing a amazingly crafted piece of music which bach if famous for. Emotion, art, logic bach incorperates all these things into his music. That is why it sounds fucking awesome. :D:D
dxf323 5 months ago
@dxf323 Normally, I would be VERY "critical" of this kind of comment! but I liiike it!
outoftunefiddler 4 months ago
Gorgeous. His string work is underrated because he's so well known as a keyboardist. The Chaconne, Cell Concerto pt one. Like Handel he also masteed string composition.
BaronVonLichtenstein 5 months ago
@BaronVonLichtenstein You mean the cello suites? Handel sometimes never even finished his keyboard and string compositions. And honestly, most of those are mediocre anyway.
NimbleTurtle13 4 months ago
@NimbleTurtle13 Lookup Handel Complete Violin Sonatas. It isn't Vivaldi, it's understated bt sublime nonetheless. Writers write with their heads not their fingers. A great composer can write for any instrument, though it takes virtuosity to write for keyboards like Bach, Lizst, Scarlatti or Rachmaninoff, Vivaldi or Paganini for Violin. But writing is more than complexity or virtuosity. Bachs Chaconne is one of the best written violin pieces in human history and it was written by a keyboardist.
BaronVonLichtenstein 4 months ago
@BaronVonLichtenstein Handel's violin sonatas are the ones I did exclude as what I considered complete mediocrity. You seem to be not aware - like many - of the extent to which Bach played the violin. He was an extremely accomplished violinist. What makes Bach a supreme composer in all genres is because he composed abstractly, not narrowing his mind strictly by the sound of instruments. Compare with Scarlatti for example, whose pieces are more favored towards the harpsichord than the piano.
NimbleTurtle13 4 months ago
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@NimbleTurtle13 Scarlatti is probably a better writer for keyboards than Bach in terms of complexity and consistency. The thing is, Bachs peaks, transcend just about anyone elses. You have Mozarts Requiem which is in my mind the greatest 45 minutes ever composed. But there are Bach pieces that are superhuman. Air, Ariosa, Well Tempered Clavier 1, Chaconne, Cell Concerto 1, etc. Its like pop music. There are a lot of consistent artists out now but they arent the Beatles. Vivaldi was also great.
BaronVonLichtenstein 4 months ago
@NimbleTurtle13 i write a lot and learned to apply what I leaned on guitar to keys and visa versa. Or play the trumpet sound like a keyboard ostinata. The melodies come from the head, so the instrument doesnt matter. People learn things then cant unlearn them so they become predictable. Bachs Partitia 2 was the kitchen sink of violin technique. It would be avant garde if it came out today. Vivaldi wrote this piece that sounds like he was using a digital delay. Crazy ahead of their time.
BaronVonLichtenstein 4 months ago
Mala interpretación del pelon, yo lo podría a ver hecho mejor jeje
lennontito 5 months ago
The musicians are high class. The interpretation seems romantic here and there, which I do not like.
urlapblebbelebbela 5 months ago
Wonderful performance until the temporary meltdown starting at 5:37. Lovely sound overall.
fiddlecub 5 months ago
sweet :) ah their chords not like this age. ''A'' (la) isn't like 440 around, sounds begining with ''E'' but its ''F'' actually. they chorded according to boraque style i guess. knowing that, notes was a bit flat at baroque days. and became sharper and sharper. players sharpened a bit more and more day by day their chords for more brillant and shiny tunes. and our notes are half tone sharp from the begining.
sedibluebird 7 months ago
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I have had the privilege to perform this with an extraordinary violinist. It was ironical that this is the song that went through my mind, right when I saw my father's last breath, because of the strong feelings that I have for the violinist who performed it with me ... different kinds, but always Love
robysarno 7 months ago
Perdon: EL violinista fue quien toco la nota falsa...
6alem 7 months ago
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robysarno 8 months ago 2
hasta los grandes maestros se equivocan, chequen el minuto 5:37...
6alem 8 months ago
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EstefanyMushi 7 months ago
@EstefanyMushi Las variaciones me parcen una sucesion de notas muy vella, sin embargo, es en el minuto mencionado (pocos segundos despues) donde cae una nota falsa (si es que se le puede llamar asi) ejecutada por la violinista. Inclusive, es evidente que ambos violinistas se dieron cuenta de este pequeño detalle, debido a sus expreciones cuando éste sucede (el violinista voltea a ver a la violinista, mientras que ésta muestra una leve sonrisa por el cometido)...
6alem 7 months ago
@6alem Bueno, la verdad casi no se nota, y más bien yo creo que se le salió un raspón, o no se como se le podrá llamar pero bueno, nadie es perfecto, hasta los más grandes les pasa, hasta a mi maestro le escuche dos veces y el es un gran violinista, la verdad que casi no se nota, al menos el lo disimula muy bien, y cuando ella sonrie parece q es porque esta disfrutando la música, y bueno como dijiste que fue en el minuto 5:37 lo escuché varias veces y no vi nada, la música es exacta.
EstefanyMushi 7 months ago
@6alem Bueno, la verdad casi no se nota, y más bien yo creo que se le salió un raspón, o no se como se le podrá llamar pero bueno, nadie es perfecto, hasta los más grandes les pasa, hasta a mi maestro le escuche dos veces y el es un gran violinista, la verdad que casi no se nota, al menos el lo disimula muy bien, y cuando ella sonrie parece q es porque esta disfrutando la música, y bueno como dijiste que fue en el minuto 5:37 lo escuché varias veces y no vi nada, la música es exacta.
EstefanyMushi 7 months ago
@EstefanyMushi perdon, esbribi vella... mas bien, es BELLA....
6alem 7 months ago
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@6alem En realidad no hay ninguna equivocación en el minuto 5:37, si te fijas bien, el violinista Andrew Manze hace variaciones de la partitura original, (en todo el movimiento) talvez estamos acostumbrados a oir otras versiones mas fieles a la original compuesta por Bach, pero existen miles de variaciones, yo misma he tocado una que me gusta mucho, y es diferente a esta, me parece lindo como entra en esa parte que mencionas, es un arpegio ascendente hasta llegar el do justo donde empieza el do.
EstefanyMushi 7 months ago
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EstefanyMushi 7 months ago
OMG Rachel Podger!!! <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
epehyada 9 months ago
the female part seems to me Anne Sophie Mutter. Thank you for saharing!
camposi 9 months ago
I love it!! :)
I wonder how meny times T wach this video??
corori25 10 months ago
A lot of people make these stupid god comments. I'm an atheist and I find this song absolutely brilliant. Good music is good music in itself, what an insult to give some dumb god credit. This was all Bach.
LambdaQuarks 10 months ago
@LambdaQuarks
Bach himself was deeply religious and wrote his music to please his maker, as well. There's no reason to find other people's belief in a divine being and/or its manifestation in this piece of music insulting.
thefourthamendment 10 months ago
@thefourthamendment
Was making an observation. I never felt insulted but thought it would be a bit insulting to Bach. If Bach had a belief or not makes no difference, he wrote the music and not god. Either way, forget what I said. I love the song.
LambdaQuarks 10 months ago
I dont like this version!
legendbach 10 months ago
Ridicoulous version, I hate it!! You should see Yehudi Menuhin and David Oistrakh. Fatal version!
legendbach 10 months ago
Heaven, especially on period instruments. Just not the same on modern violins.
SurreyViolinHero 11 months ago
simplemente y excesionalmente hermoso, el violin junto con los otros instrumentos son música...:)
alexaRICHI30 1 year ago
This is absolutely exquisite and expressive ..
Lili0joy 1 year ago
For those who grew up listening to stalwarts like Stern and Perlman performing this, this performance might be difficult; however, this dynamic approach stripped of all the 20th century superfluous vibrato is simply amazing. These two are rock stars in my book. The inventiveness and muscianship here are top-notch. The only two negatives I could possibly dredge up are the inferior sound quality of the clip and Manze's adventure in harmonic invention at 2:44.
Ran59Dolph 1 year ago
Mistic , Graceful ,Beautifuly harmonious, Eternal Masterpiece!
keghamminas 1 year ago
Manze is completely outclassed by the marvellous Rachel Podger.
awyliu 1 year ago
@awyliu This isn't a competition. Andrew isn't perhaps blessed with the tone of a Gil Shaham, but he is a sublime communicator. He's been dogged by such comments - even back when he lead his county youth orchestra. Someone back then said I was a better violinist than AM - but here I am in IT, and it's Andrew making the records. You will (like I have) just have to accept he has an X factor. Although perhaps now Andrew is more of a conductor these days he has found his proper niche?!
elgar104 1 year ago 2
@awyliu Ridiculous.
gogolusa 11 months ago
Ciertamente Bach no impuso tempos a sus creaciones.Aun asi 5:35-5:41,vaya...Si lo entendemos como improvisacion,¡vale!.
lo que ocurre es que la perfeccion en este movimiento es casi una utopia.Pese a todo.¡Bravo!.
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I love how they "talk" to each other trough their communication here. They really get the Conversation clearly out that was so essential to baroque music.
mirhlarebekka 1 year ago
Lack of talent can not be hidden: incapable violinists should not try to mask their inability by pretending that a lack of vibrato and a poor left hand technique are the real period traits. Shame on the entire " period music" fraud....
operaviolinist 1 year ago
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dragonetto1 1 year ago
Love the ornamentation! It's not overdone, but seems authentically more Baroque!
physphilmusic 1 year ago
Poor Bach!!!!
TheFeldenkraisMethod 1 year ago
omg that is awesome
can this piece be played for 2 violins and piano ?
is there anyone who could help me ?
valeerioo45 1 year ago
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captiananderson 1 year ago
anyone know which orchestra?
captiananderson 1 year ago
I just can cry after this. It´s the most beautifull thing that I´ve ever heard in my life.
wewewewertas 1 year ago
yes. this is the best version I have EVER heard. Thank You!
cellomaan 1 year ago
tHis sHit iZ TiGht yO !
JinxOz 1 year ago
Which proms seasons was this?
Anjoucat 1 year ago
Es ist unglaublich, was diese Musik (diese phantastische freie barocke Interpretation) mit einem macht. Man kann sich dieser unglaublichen Lebendigkeit, Freiheit und Schönheit nicht entziehen!
blaubar 1 year ago
Wow, those Baroque bows are pretty funky...I've never used one, does it feel a lot different from a more conventional bow?
hsviolinplayer 1 year ago
Love this version as it is played in a more Baroque style, and with period instruments.... Though, I am a bit of purist ;)
fanniemaeflippers 1 year ago
me no like this
camilocuesta 1 year ago
the baroque bows sound good
jcfbell3001 1 year ago
Me encanta, es intenso.
mike2350 1 year ago
Just good music, nothing else: the right pitch, the right instruments, the right way to play; transcendental, no brassy vibrato, the Dorothy DeLay school seems forgotten.
kammermusiken 1 year ago
Bestaat er wat mooiers?
paulusg53 1 year ago
I like the Illenyi's version better. Katica is more rockin' (=
yogibeal84 1 year ago
this piece is so calming...and I also love her dress :D
VeronicaMOnDaY 1 year ago
5: 37 - 5: 41 = There is like some beautiful melodic descending pattern that is not in the original composition, but sounds so beautiful.
jordyeddytally 1 year ago
@jordyeddytally Welcome to the wonder of period performance and the recreation of Baroque-era improvisation.
usafwings09 1 year ago
@jordyeddytally Not just that, also 5:50 onwards to 6:05!
physphilmusic 1 year ago
Que bom que esses geniais da música existem, eu digo existem, porque são eternos, imortais...Porque do contrário, o que seria de nossos ouvidos hoje em dia com tantas porcarias sendo lançadas como se fossem música...
RCA11DESIGN 1 year ago
I love how this isn't self-indulgent. Lovely.
operaticxingenue 1 year ago
You are right. It ´s the harmony between the musicians, that gives on the creeps. It´s wonderful.
Frascati07 1 year ago
imagine how amazing it was to have played with those two making beautiful music together.....
BustaMonkey1234 1 year ago
good
lihsin2222 1 year ago
YEEES. So far the best version. Not as arrogant as other versions.
Beautiful!
NinSiniano 1 year ago
this movement is devine - no doubt about that. but it is more: it is human, it is bach. (like l. v. beethoven said: nicht Bach, Meer sollte er heißen - "his name should not be 'Bach' (=creek), but ocean")
asle27887 1 year ago
Heart-wrenchingly beautiful. Awesomely magnificent!
atbnorge 1 year ago
Beautiful.
PersephonePhenix 1 year ago
bach = the best. i have heard that this piece was meant to be like a conversation, or love-making, etc of two lovers. the two violins almost play to each other like an intimate pair.
gaylordhomer4 1 year ago 5
@gaylordhomer4 Please//Not the "intimate pair"commparison.....TMI
outoftunefiddler 4 months ago
Andrew is great!
shreivox 1 year ago
This music is a distilled feeling, a perfume.
iluro5701 1 year ago
personally, i think the best version of this is the malcolm mcnab one - hes jst released a new album with him playing this concerto on trumpet! sounds amazing!
jazzevans 1 year ago
Yes, it is special because the violinists are at least partially facing each other, the first time I have seen this. I think they should be totally facing each other because each part drafts off the other. I have never seen it done this way and would like to recommend it to any great violinists who might be reading this. I think you, and the audience, would find it a moving experience.
safetychoice 1 year ago
@safetychoice The reason it isn't done this way is because it would require one violinist's f-holes to face the back of the hall/venue. This would make that violin acoustically handicapped compared to the other part.
CountertenorJ 1 year ago
mmmm se desafino en el segundo 5:38 pero muy buen trabajo, aunque demasiados arreglos y adornos le quitan casi todo lo barroco... ♥
catesanta 1 year ago
Diese Musik - und wie sie gespielt wird - ist etwas von schönsten, was einem passieren kann.
blaubar 1 year ago
ok, it's not a romantic type of performance, and it's also not a song. it's a piece. stop posing as real musicians if you're going to critique. what do you mean, I"M PLAYING THE PIANO PART OF THIS SONG?
imbrial 2 years ago 6
@imbrial
HA HA HA HA YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT MR.
ISRAELHECHEM 6 months ago
This beautiful music appears in CHILDREN OF A LESSER GOD♥ - one of my favourite movies.
Thank you for the clip.
QueenBavmorda 2 years ago
A beautiful performance of the romantic type. The addition of ornaments to the repeated sections is very well done.
Enebanrot 2 years ago
Se adornan innecesariamente.Tinte mas romántico que barroco.Aún así,muy bien.
paradoxicus 2 years ago
Corte sereno con adornos innecesarios pero creíbles.
paradoxicus 2 years ago
BWV 1043
Imbaudy 2 years ago
I've always thought that this movement, more than any by Bach, is a reflection of his faith in God, as if in the end there is a serenity in his certainty. It is sublime.
qvetch 2 years ago 27
@qvetch god is irrelevant
vernymax 1 year ago
@vernymax well in the case of Bach, God is very relevant seeing as Bach composed many pieces intended to be performed for the mass.
BBRENTTAGHAPP 1 year ago
@BBRENTTAGHAPP Composers wrote music for the Mass because they were hired to do so, had a commisson to fulfill or were seeking favor or an appointment, not because God moved them to do so. Bach submitted his original B-minor Mass (Kyrie/Gloria) to the Catholic Polish King/Saxon Elector in Dresden (then the musical capital of Germany) hoping to get royal/electoral protection in dealing with the Leipzig town officials. Eventually Bach was named Royal Polish and Saxon Electoral Court Composer.
wcbroccoli 1 year ago
@wcbroccoli how do you know that Bach was not also inspired by God? To write something of such quality and reverence isn't very easy. And by parody do you mean a piece based on a preexisting work?
BBRENTTAGHAPP 1 year ago
@BBRENTTAGHAPP How do you know he was inspired by a god? How do you even know there is a god, goddess, gods, or overlords? "Parody" is the term musicologists use to refer to a repurposed a composition & was very common in the Baroque. The Osanna from B minor Mass was adapted from 1st movement of cantata BWV 215 written to celebrate the anniversary of the election of Augustus III, the Duke Elector of Saxony, as King of the Polish Commonwealth.
wcbroccoli 1 year ago
@BBRENTTAGHAPP Most of the music in Bach's B-minor Mass was not written for any Mass. Most of the movements are parodies of cantata movements. Even his other so-called "Lutheran Masses" are parodies of cantata movements.
wcbroccoli 1 year ago
@wcbroccoli "Music's only purpose should be the glory of God and the recreation of the human spirit." - J.S. Bach
BBRENTTAGHAPP 1 year ago
@BBRENTTAGHAPP That is what they taught since the Middle Ages! and in the Latin schools Lutheran boys attended in Bach's era. Bach attended a Latin school! Where do you think he got these ideas? In the Catholic parochial school I attended they taught us to write things like "All through Jesus", SDG ("For the glory of God alone", JJ (Jesu help). Do you think Bach invented these things? Everyone in Bach's era was deeply religious.
wcbroccoli 1 year ago
@wcbroccoli everyone, including Bach.
BBRENTTAGHAPP 1 year ago
@BBRENTTAGHAPP Yes, everyone was religious. But that doesn't mean any god was telling them what to write.
wcbroccoli 1 year ago
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wcbroccoli 1 year ago
@BBRENTTAGHAPP Yes, everyone was religious, but no god was talking to any of them. No one was any more inspired by a god than a painter is inspired by a sunset..
wcbroccoli 1 year ago
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@BBRENTTAGHAPP The text of1st movment from the secular congratulatory cantata BWV 215: "Praise now thy blessings, O fortunate Saxon, For God the throne of thy King hath upheld. O happy land, Thanks give to heaven and kiss now the hand Which makes thy fortune each day ever greater And all thy townsmen to safety hath brought." was changed to "Osanna in excelsis" with slight changes to the music to fit the new text. So much for your fantasy that Bach was divinely inspired to write the Mass.
wcbroccoli 1 year ago
@BBRENTTAGHAPP God said to Bach, "When you write the Osanna, you should reuse the very cool congratulatory music you wrote for the Saxon Duke Elector/King in Poland. Just change the words to "osanna in excelsis" and make a few changes to the music to fit the new words. No one, including BBRENTAGHAPP, will know the difference. I, your God, will still get the credit for divinely inspiring you.
wcbroccoli 1 year ago
@wcbroccoli well let's get feisty now. first off, i never said that this was God's music. it's BACH's music. second, the point i was making was that Bach's reverence/awe of God played a major role in his compositions. and didn't Bach sign his manuscripts with "AMDG" which means To the Greater Glory of God? so chill out buddy, goodness.
BBRENTTAGHAPP 1 year ago
@BBRENTTAGHAPP I never said you said that. As with all composers of his era & before, Bach's approach to creating sacred music was the same as secular music. That's why he had no difficulty or objection to converting a congratualory piece into a sacred piece. Adding SDG, JJ, etc. was not unusual in Bach's era and predates him. When some people say Bach's sacred music was "Inspired by God", they mean they believe God intervened in the creative process, not merely that the composer was devout..
wcbroccoli 1 year ago
@qvetch I always think about God (and all the beauty he has created) when I hear this movement, I love it and I admire Bach so much, he is my favorite composer, nothing compares to Bach... I feel so emotional with this music, and I wanna say to others, that Bach was very religious SO probably he was thiking about God when he wrote this, anyway it' s the way WE think and OUR feelings about God, and those that are not believers may have a little respect to us, so think what you want about this
EstefanyMushi 7 months ago
This a beautiful rendition, i love it when 2 masters get together and do things a bit different - particularly when they know the piece so intimately. So, thanks.
MumsBallet 2 years ago
This particular section- I imagine it to be what the relationship of a binary star would sound like if their synergy was translated through the medium of classical music- each singing to each other, intrinsically bound to each other till their end in the great vastness of the universe.
crazedstargazer 2 years ago 2
Rachel doesnt look soooo good and right now im playing the piano part of this song.
superlordocoo 2 years ago
listen to Handel´s largo. The two baróque titans (that I really love) had the same idea for the intro of largo.
camposi 2 years ago
Fantastic. The best Bach I ever ...
mikilimali 2 years ago
This is so beautiful. I'm glad you decided to post this version, despite the numbers.
Thank you!
kumabruin 2 years ago
what concert is this?
sherteleer100 2 years ago
Double violin concerto in D-minor, don´t know the BWV number.
avginkel 2 years ago
ottima esecuzione
LUIGITOS1 2 years ago
Well, England has always had great actors!
Alejandro914 2 years ago
I'm in Love
Ascaidh 2 years ago 2
Very good!
vgorsh 2 years ago
After the first note i felt as if i was some where peaceful away form the bloody world
freakmommy 2 years ago 23
@freakmommy i feelt like i was in the shire in the lord of the rings!
Paxoz 10 months ago
when i heard the first note i knew it was going to be beautiful: she controls the bow with peace as it always should be
Babybloo96 2 years ago
the bows are just baroque. the a's are tuned to like 436 (A flat). I play a lot of my bach the same way. wish i had a baroque bow though
bleedinblue2007 2 years ago
Best recording of the piece IMO. The baroque instruments really make the difference.
SurreyViolinHero 2 years ago 2
Отличное,барочное исполнение!
celleska17 2 years ago
Is they play con. Curdina?
btw godo palying both.
takhirviolinest 2 years ago
my favorite piece of classical music, i'm obsessed with it!
AnneLien1987 2 years ago 2
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theflamingchimchar 2 years ago
Period playing in the Royal Albert Hall, that's SF!
vdmsarah 2 years ago
however its still amazing
EvErYbOdYnOeS76 2 years ago 2
It's ok. Kind of like when you make waffles and you look in the fridge and there is no syrup. or like a veggie burger.... Best version in Jean Lamon and Tafelmusik's...... the playing here is consevatory blah... Show me some guts not dry toast. I don't care how someone looks, should be beyond that. This is why the music industry is a fucking joke.. NO moxy all fluff
bassslayer 2 years ago
While I agree that Lamon is truly great, I must say I have no idea how it is possible to refer to Manze as "conservatory blah" (I DO like the choice of words though, conservatory blah IS a huge problem, particularly here in the US). Actually, I have studied with Jean and Ivars and I would suggest that the Tafelmusik paradigm is actually a bit more conservative than Manze. Check out the recording he did of the Emanuel Bach 183 Sinfonias... it's truly wild!
isitvalottioryoung1 2 years ago 2
yeah maybe "blah" is a bit much.. lol maybe the recording itself is what I don't care for it is a bit dry. Tafelmusik's recordings of these concertos have a luminous quality of sound and unity of direction ensemble-wise. I don't know what it is about the recordings but I consider them the benchmark. I do not wish to disrespect Manze, he has done more for music than I have typing on this computer and I give him props for what he has acheived and like other recordings of his.
bassslayer 2 years ago
You know, I must admit, though, that when it comes to Sebastian Bach in particular, I would almost always take Lamon over Manze. I find her to be more refined, and for some reason that seems to lend itself to Papa Bach's personal brand of über-Germanicism...
Tafelmusik's Brandenburgs, for instance, remain the unchallenged gold-standard for me!
Just thinking out loud here, I didn't mean to pick on you earlier!
isitvalottioryoung1 2 years ago
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Obviously I am the only person, who doesn't like these two...they are exaggerating too much...plus the out-of-tune note at 2:12....that should not happen to proffesionals
JanForest 2 years ago
omg i can't believe it either it shouldn't happen
EvErYbOdYnOeS76 2 years ago
they over exadrate at all and out of tune notes happen to anybody
247videos247 2 years ago
Yet another picture perfect female soloist....lookism is alive and well
rh7189 2 years ago
Se sono archi barocchi, perchè li impugnano così vicino al tallone?
paolojacm 2 years ago
un capolavoro assoluto...
catabavti 2 years ago
Thanks so much for posting this. I remember seeing the live TV broadcast of this from the Proms, and being mesmerised by the playing and the rapport between the two violinists. Wonderful, intimate music making and a great performance.
stevenbexward 2 years ago
the best music of the world! :)
Knutbeppo 2 years ago
And also: The ornaments Andrew Manze plays at the end of the movement are just wonderfull. And any musician knows how damnd difficult it is to ornament Bach!!
goldellie 2 years ago
Just wonderfully played!
And here at last the artists really seem to care only about the music and not themselves!
BRAVO
goldellie 2 years ago 2
thats a baroque bow
rigoja93 2 years ago
does anyone know how to do trills?
RedRoses1818 2 years ago
Thats a cool Bow.
Irockthebach 2 years ago
esta muy bien representado hasta con clave y todo
rualiv 2 years ago
Oh, yes, they are both using baroque bows.
irinastroh 2 years ago
@irinastroh And baroque violins and gut strings. You can tell by the lack of resonance created by a modern bass-board in the instrument and non-metal strings and the shortened fingerboard (they didn't go up all that high back then).
CountertenorJ 1 year ago
One of the best performing of this piece?definitely!
peshkov79 2 years ago
SIMPLEMENTE SUBLIME.
santibax5 2 years ago
this is what im calling musik
danielwowman 2 years ago
I want to b at