Adding to he below post: It was like having the guys play in your living room because it was a small auditorium. Banks had an M3 (just like mine!!!) and was playing through two Leslie 122s. Selling England had just made it to the record stores a few months earlier. I stole my dad's car and drove 6 of us to the show, and then got lost in Chicago's South Side looking for gas on a Sunday night during the gas embargo. - oh yeah - and while most of us were teenagers, there was a 9-yr too. Sheesh!
Adding to the confusion ... I was at the Chicago Northwestern University show in 1973. Hard to tell anything with this video, but here are my thoughts:
* Hackett and Banks are in the correct position on stage
* Hackett and Banks sat together at Hackett's position when they did 12-string together
I picked up this fake video at a record show about 20 years ago (it was an extra bit put on at the end of some Montreal '74 clips). Amusing little video, but obviously not the real deal.
All fun and games aside... Just look at "Hackett's" guitar, then check out other videos or equipment lists from the time. As far as I know, Steve was still playing Les Pauls at the time, not Fender's. Just my measly 2 pence.
Still fun to watch and listen to, come on, who amongst us Gen-heads haven't air-drummed or guitar to a Genesis song? ;)
It is a fact that some parts of the Sherbrooke show WAS shot. I was at that show and not long after I saw a projection that wasmade by some students from Montcalm Highschool, Now I can't tell if this is a fake or not. The quality is too poor. We can't even tell if this is Hackett or not. The same guys also took some nice pictures I still own.
It is a fact that some parts of the Sherbrooke show WAS shot. I was at that show and not long after I saw a projection that wasmade by some students from Montcalm Highschool, Now I can't tell if this is a fake or not. The quality is too poor. We can't even tell if this is Hackett or not. The same guys also took some nice pictures I still own.
FAKE - been in the bootleg world for years. I got a copy of it in the mid-90's. This is not Genesis at all (at least the video isn't). And Hackett looks like he's 10 feet tall here.
I am 100 percent sure this is not Genesis. I know one of the guys in the video. They were pretending and put Genesis music on the soundtrack! The music is Genesis but not the video.
This IS definitely Genesis. As far as I know footage is from a show in Montreal, Canada (might even correspond to the show from which best bootleg of that era GREAT LOST LIVE ALBUM was made. It was later dubbed by Gabriel + band for the Archives Box 1) Sound on this one is from the unmistakable LIVE album.
It's a very well done fake...take a look at the guitar on Musical Box..Steve never used a Fender Stratocaster until the Wind & Wuthering tour (1976-1977)..those were the days of the Gibson Custom 2 pickups in black finish,who was stolen in Germany in early 1974 (Selling England by the Pound tour)...anyway,very well done
I know for sure this is a fake. I am friends with the drummer. This was a lip sync by some Canadian guys. It has been circulating for years--I got it at least 10 years ago, probably more. But it is absolutely 100 percent not Genesis on the video--the sound is from a Genesis show.
During The Musical Box section..the guitarist doesn't look like Steve and the guitar doesn't look like a Les Paul. Also the bass doesn't look like the Ric. This is very confusing. The voice sounds like Gabriel. Bizarre.
It's a bit rare but I've had it for at least 15 years (my copy might be a generation better with just a little more color) but overall around the same & it's real not a cover band (which nowdays I'm sure you could be convinced somebody is trying to fake it).
This looks one of the first three concerts I saw in NYC. They played at Howard Steins "Acadamy of Music" on 14th st. and third ave in 1973 which had an orchestra pit. Looking at the vid it looks like whoever took this was in the 2nd tier ( there were three ) as it was an old movie theater.
The other place they played was in Philharmonic hall which happened to be the first rock band that ever played there but by thethe angle of the camera it doesn't seem possible.
Yeah Fake. The Guitarists using a Fender you can tell by the Headstock and ive never seen Steve Hackett with a Fender only Gibson Les Pauls, (during his time with Genesis)
Amazing technology for 1973, the film is shit, but the audio can also record overbubs and Peter singing harmonies, i wish i had this technology in my studio today. Shame its a scam, i really wanted it to be real.
This is absolutely positively not Genesis. I know the "drummer" in this video personally. Some guys from Montreal did this for fun, and synched it to Genesis music. The guy himself once got it in a trade labeled "Genesis Sherbrooke 1973" or something like that. It has been circulating for many years but it is not Genesis. I am 100 percent certain.
He was trying to imitate Phil. They synched it to a soundtrack, I think Genesis Live but I am not sure. I have been in the drummer on this clip's house, trust me it is not Genesis.
this is not genesis the guitar player is not using a les paul hellooooooooooo and on the sequence of musical box the guy that should be mike is doing steve's part look it again
its genesis cos the base player here is right handed and the musical box base player is left also why would anyone want to film it in black and white when we in colour screen today
and no other tribute band has recreated genesis like the musical box and it isn't them and lastly the actions of the singer are just like peter used to do and the same goes for the drummer too he plays just like phil collins its defo genesis
The others tribute band are "ridiculous" (Sorry... :D ) compared to orignal and to the musical box. It's a very strange video, because it's perfect... And only Genesis and the musical box can do that. But this is not genesis or the musical box ! (Sorry for my bad English :D )
how can you pretend they are all ridiculous? you've seen them all? no offense but you should work a bit on what looks like a narrow minded thinking rather than your english ;)
This is one of any number of Genesis tribute bands, with possibly overdubbed Genesis audio, or audio from The Musical Box. They are actually perfect at this show. And "Steve" is way too tall.
Oh, come on, Frink. 'At least people do something with their time'? You can do better than that, surely? Not the most incisive reply I've ever read. A bit 'bleughhh' kind of thing. You may as well say 'at least they're breathing'. Yes? And? So what? Sharpen up, Sir! (or Madam).
All I'm saying is it's easy to say that someone has too much time on their hands when they are doing something productive. I think you missed the point of what I was saying. If all they did was lay around breathing, being lazy and not enjoying the time giving to them, then I guess you could say they had too much time on their hands. But they did something with the time they got, silly as it may be. At least they were enjoying themselves, hopefully.
Ab-so-loot-lee NOT Genesis! Lol!!! Everything about it is wrong; the style of clothes, the guitars, 'Gabriels' flower (which looks as if someones mum has just run it up out of cardboard). Why would anyone spend time faking it? Too much time on their hands, probably. American, most likely. Comic-Book Guy and his heavy friends. Stopped playing Dungeons and Dragons long enough to knock out a fake Genesis video...
On Someones Hands" is one of the most misused phrases. You could say Genesis themselves had too much times on their hands when they made their music. At least people do something with their time, even if it is something goofy as this video. I just had to rant about that.
Someone went to a LOT of trouble to fake this. Much of the audio sounds like it could be dubbed from real Genesis bootlegs, but the bodies on stage do not look like Genesis, the Phil and Mike especially, and Steve certainly didn't play a white Strat in this era. Interesting though...
1. That isn't a les paul Hackett is using, which from day one until today, he mainly uses.
2. Michael Rutherford didn't sit during the musical box, he played a 12 string Rickenbacker guitar (which doesnt look like that guitar in the video) and played the bass pedals standing up,and before this is brought up, the reason why he is sitting on the cover of genesis live is because he had to switch guitars for suppers ready but for the musical box, he stayed on the same guitar for the whole song.
I think the real point here is why would anyone spend the time and effort spoofing this? what would be the point? I say it's real, just from a low-quality, probably 8mm film and then copied onto a VHS tape before going bad, or being a copy of a copy or maybe a 3rd or 4th gen. who knows the technical details. I digress
I owned a multi generation video of this back in 93..don't even remember where I got it. The quality is much better then this and I've watched it many times..I'm convinced its Genesis.
Ok I've watched a little more closely and Mike is stood up at the start, you have to squint though the quality is that poor, which leads me on to my next point.
bigiainw if you have the original it must be in much better quality so any chance of sharing with us?
@ bigiainw This is not known in Genesis circles as the Black Show. The Black show was the latter part of the Selling England tour, this is a Foxtrot show.
It more than likely is a fake but why would someone go to so much trouble?
@genesisfan3 Mike Rutherford is indeed taller than Peter Gabriel but Mike is sat down!
Two things: Peter Gabriel is not taller than Michael Rutherford (whose pretty tall...) and, on the Willow Farm section notice those lights lining the base of the back of the stage. They didn't have those then. On the Foxtrot tour Genesis could barely afford a couple lamps overhead.
This IS genesis, a show sht in california in early 1974, known in genesis circles as the Black Show for obvious reasons! I have the original. It is from the same tour as the Shepperton 16mm film
I agree, having reviewed the 20/12/73 show from Burbank, this is different. It looks similar to some very short clips I have seen with a German soundtrack, but it's got me stumped! It is though, undeniably Genesis themselves.
The curtain in this show is white. In a Black show they used a black curtain behind them. The Black Show was the second half of the Selling England show. The show from California was a black show shot in Santa Monica--I actually drove by the Civic Center today where it was performed. This is a fake Foxtrot era white curtain show.
sorry that i must say that this seems to be the original Genesis of 1973. If not, if it was a Fake, it is better or at least more powerful than MusicalBox ever will be. So maybe the sound is original, but for me it seems totally autentic. I dont see any bad synchronization between Sound and Video either.
This isn't Genesis. It's not Phil's kit (where are the tubular bells) it's not set up like Phil's kit and it's not Phil playing it. Gabriel didn't have anything over his mouth when he sang Watcher, that's not Hackett and it's not his guitar, I could go on. Oh and PG's flower mask didn't look like that.
The flower mask look like that during the foxtrot tour.(Not the same mask during SEBTP tour) The drums kit look like the gretsh drums kit used by Phil during Nursery/Foxtrot tour. I have also doubt about this video. This is perfect, except the guitar solo during the musical box. Maybe this is a Tribute band like "the musical box" ... but what a tribute band! (And sorry for my poor English)
It is not real Genesis, it is a fake and maybe not a tribute band cause we don't see nothing. Maybe it is a group of people that filmed in the dark and try to make us believe it is rare archive footage, but it is not it is a FAKE.
Since I saw them 11 times around the NYC metro area I guarentee you that its them. They played several times at the Acadamy of Music , once at the Philharmonic Hall and a few times at the Beacon Theater in New Jersey. It looks 100% authentic because I was there.
I'm pretty damn sure that's them... I listened carefully and everything about the clips leads me to believe they're authentic. Right down to the atrocious sound quality of the recordings...
This is obviously not Genesis, why would someone post something like this and say it's Genesis? Do you think there's no one out there who can see through this?
was there !
soulsalike 2 weeks ago
Adding to he below post: It was like having the guys play in your living room because it was a small auditorium. Banks had an M3 (just like mine!!!) and was playing through two Leslie 122s. Selling England had just made it to the record stores a few months earlier. I stole my dad's car and drove 6 of us to the show, and then got lost in Chicago's South Side looking for gas on a Sunday night during the gas embargo. - oh yeah - and while most of us were teenagers, there was a 9-yr too. Sheesh!
bizyacha 2 months ago
Adding to the confusion ... I was at the Chicago Northwestern University show in 1973. Hard to tell anything with this video, but here are my thoughts:
* Hackett and Banks are in the correct position on stage
* Hackett and Banks sat together at Hackett's position when they did 12-string together
* There were 3 rear-screen projectors.
* Gabriel's "Bat Hat" is not correct
* There were no "flower head" costumes
* This was not shot at the concert I attended
There were less than 200 in the theater.
bizyacha 2 months ago
Please remove this FAKE!!!!!!!!
Guitman73 2 months ago
@Guitman73 Huh???? Why have they done this :( Snaffs is sad now...
SniffSnaffSnugg 2 months ago
not Phils Gretsch drums. period.
andrewcasarsa 10 months ago
wtf 0:56
lorenic95 11 months ago
Impostors! this is not Genesis..the audio is Genesis, but the band not.
foursprings 1 year ago
I picked up this fake video at a record show about 20 years ago (it was an extra bit put on at the end of some Montreal '74 clips). Amusing little video, but obviously not the real deal.
11thEarlofProg 1 year ago
From 1:22, the guy posing as Hackett is not even moving his fingers. :) Such an obvious fake!
Forsure3333 1 year ago
All fun and games aside... Just look at "Hackett's" guitar, then check out other videos or equipment lists from the time. As far as I know, Steve was still playing Les Pauls at the time, not Fender's. Just my measly 2 pence.
Still fun to watch and listen to, come on, who amongst us Gen-heads haven't air-drummed or guitar to a Genesis song? ;)
ScooterandSparky 1 year ago
jajajajaja, very funny
joaqui1902 1 year ago
Sherbrooke (Quebec)
Sparkleknight 1 year ago
The gig might be Sherbrooke (Quebec)
Sparkleknight 1 year ago
wonderfull tour this is the starting song (so them in rome on 73)
francesco0360 1 year ago
This is a fake. It was done in Canada.
djanchovy 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
It is a fact that some parts of the Sherbrooke show WAS shot. I was at that show and not long after I saw a projection that wasmade by some students from Montcalm Highschool, Now I can't tell if this is a fake or not. The quality is too poor. We can't even tell if this is Hackett or not. The same guys also took some nice pictures I still own.
Tchenss 1 year ago
It is a fact that some parts of the Sherbrooke show WAS shot. I was at that show and not long after I saw a projection that wasmade by some students from Montcalm Highschool, Now I can't tell if this is a fake or not. The quality is too poor. We can't even tell if this is Hackett or not. The same guys also took some nice pictures I still own.
Tchenss 1 year ago
This is the Roxy on the strip
chefhappydiabetic 1 year ago
YOU can stop right here.
The music only is genuine.
The rest is ...a kind of "the rest".
Never mind the bollocks hé!
oneliferocks 1 year ago
FAKE - been in the bootleg world for years. I got a copy of it in the mid-90's. This is not Genesis at all (at least the video isn't). And Hackett looks like he's 10 feet tall here.
unicronrocks 1 year ago
jackbeerman ... i think you have got tobe joking!!! this is absolutely genesis !!!!
uranometria2002 1 year ago
I am 100 percent sure this is not Genesis. I know one of the guys in the video. They were pretending and put Genesis music on the soundtrack! The music is Genesis but not the video.
JackBeermann 1 year ago
at the time everyone wanted to sound like Pink Floyd
happyfuzzfroggie 2 years ago
just plain awesome
happyfuzzfroggie 2 years ago
This IS definitely Genesis. As far as I know footage is from a show in Montreal, Canada (might even correspond to the show from which best bootleg of that era GREAT LOST LIVE ALBUM was made. It was later dubbed by Gabriel + band for the Archives Box 1) Sound on this one is from the unmistakable LIVE album.
tubellarbells 2 years ago
@tubellarbells The audio is GENESIS but the dudes in the vid aren't.
Chrisdrumz 2 years ago
Unforgettables Genesis !!!! The best symphonic/prog rock ever... Peter+Phil+Steve+Tony+Mike!
JackOasys 2 years ago
que banda podria compararse hoy en dia con genesis?
arosquillas 2 years ago
genesis rules
TheRockerskater 2 years ago
I've this live in vynil record imported in italy and into a DVD...it isn't so rare
boari994 2 years ago
GENESIS - I- L-O-V-E- Y-OUUUUU!!!!!
axoram 2 years ago
It's a very well done fake...take a look at the guitar on Musical Box..Steve never used a Fender Stratocaster until the Wind & Wuthering tour (1976-1977)..those were the days of the Gibson Custom 2 pickups in black finish,who was stolen in Germany in early 1974 (Selling England by the Pound tour)...anyway,very well done
bubbiech 2 years ago 4
are you saying this is from a different concet ? i know you're not saying it isn't genesis...
stupididiot13 2 years ago
I know for sure this is a fake. I am friends with the drummer. This was a lip sync by some Canadian guys. It has been circulating for years--I got it at least 10 years ago, probably more. But it is absolutely 100 percent not Genesis on the video--the sound is from a Genesis show.
JackBeermann 2 years ago 5
if its fake, good job. looks real
blkmanbat 2 years ago 2
Don't get confused by the voice. The original 8mm was silent, then muxed at a later time...
mauriziocarita 2 years ago
During The Musical Box section..the guitarist doesn't look like Steve and the guitar doesn't look like a Les Paul. Also the bass doesn't look like the Ric. This is very confusing. The voice sounds like Gabriel. Bizarre.
lifesonfan 2 years ago
1) I got it in colour, b/w comes from being n-th generation
2) It is said to be a short 8mm from the early years of the Canadian cover band "The Musical Box""
3) The presumed venue and date is Sherbrooke, April 1973
4) Who can tell?
mauriziocarita 2 years ago
I'm very interested by your color version! Can you upload it on youtube please? Thank you. :)
ikhnaton 2 years ago
@mauriziocarita Its not The Musical Box as their "Mike Rutherford" is left handed, Mike was right handed.
Bitsforboats 1 year ago
@Bitsforboats Yes indeed! and their "Phil Collins" was right-handed whereas the real Phil is left-handed... as is the drummer in this video/film
MusicManxxxxx 1 year ago
@mauriziocarita
hey guys now watch my cover ! Please enjoy this : "Duke's travels cover by Pino Lettieri" and after, Behind the lines /Duchess
P
tributando 5 months ago
@mauriziocarita
cant be musical box, maybe another tribute...sebastien lamothe, the bassist and one of the founder of tmb, is left handed.
frk75 3 months ago
Fake ! Fake ! Fake !
MrPapaBill 2 years ago 2
It's a bit rare but I've had it for at least 15 years (my copy might be a generation better with just a little more color) but overall around the same & it's real not a cover band (which nowdays I'm sure you could be convinced somebody is trying to fake it).
chomskyfan 2 years ago
This looks one of the first three concerts I saw in NYC. They played at Howard Steins "Acadamy of Music" on 14th st. and third ave in 1973 which had an orchestra pit. Looking at the vid it looks like whoever took this was in the 2nd tier ( there were three ) as it was an old movie theater.
The other place they played was in Philharmonic hall which happened to be the first rock band that ever played there but by thethe angle of the camera it doesn't seem possible.
SixDayWar67 2 years ago
Well this sounds and looks like the real Genesis to me...
cosmicjazzer 2 years ago 5
This is clearly a tribute band or something.
VDGG94ki 2 years ago
There are plenty of things wrong with this statement:
1. It was shot in black and white. Nothing has been shot in black and white in years and years.
2. It's obvious from the picture quality that this is from the 70s.
3. That is the unmistakable voice of Peter Gabriel.
tenchimasake 2 years ago
wasn´t that video filmed in Shepperton in 1973?
squall2231 2 years ago
WAY KEWL!
Lubaantune 2 years ago
Very nice rare stuff!! Merci beaucoup
denesis1 2 years ago
thats collins alright. you can tell by his inverted drum set. Man tony's awsome, supper's ready and cinema show were probably his best songs.
hunterx2568 3 years ago
Yeah Fake. The Guitarists using a Fender you can tell by the Headstock and ive never seen Steve Hackett with a Fender only Gibson Les Pauls, (during his time with Genesis)
bryemycaz 3 years ago
maybe was anthony phillips
Satiaraha 2 years ago
truly rare stuff!!
bigwo56 3 years ago
Amazing technology for 1973, the film is shit, but the audio can also record overbubs and Peter singing harmonies, i wish i had this technology in my studio today. Shame its a scam, i really wanted it to be real.
CharleyFarley1040 3 years ago
Was that Frank Sinatra I saw singing with Peter ?
SixDayWar67 3 years ago
so why would anybody go out of their way to make a fake? What waste of time.
PeterMayer 3 years ago
jajajaj steve ..he s not a bigger guy,it s a fake
aaron1tatamovich 3 years ago
Dude from :58 it look pretty left handed to me. Phil is damn good. I use to give him heaps.
mowbster31 3 years ago
Cmon, Phil is left-handed, the guy here is rightie:P
MargusKiistheCritic 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
the drummer in this clip is playing left handed!!!
brushuk 3 years ago
This cannot be Genesis because the only pro shot footage from the Foxtrot tour was from Bataclan. Thus proving this was fake, but a good fake.
genesiscrimsonmusiKc 3 years ago
Hi,
This is absolutely positively not Genesis. I know the "drummer" in this video personally. Some guys from Montreal did this for fun, and synched it to Genesis music. The guy himself once got it in a trade labeled "Genesis Sherbrooke 1973" or something like that. It has been circulating for many years but it is not Genesis. I am 100 percent certain.
Jack
JackBeermann 3 years ago 8
the drummer in this clip is definately playing left handed!!!
brushuk 3 years ago
He was trying to imitate Phil. They synched it to a soundtrack, I think Genesis Live but I am not sure. I have been in the drummer on this clip's house, trust me it is not Genesis.
JackBeermann 3 years ago 2
Take it from me -
this is NOT Genesis.
Kelt1c71 3 years ago 4
worst fake i've ever seen
strummermag 3 years ago
Video quality is poor, but the fake is almost perfect.
ikhnaton 3 years ago
this is not genesis the guitar player is not using a les paul hellooooooooooo and on the sequence of musical box the guy that should be mike is doing steve's part look it again
junito52 3 years ago
its genesis cos the base player here is right handed and the musical box base player is left also why would anyone want to film it in black and white when we in colour screen today
and no other tribute band has recreated genesis like the musical box and it isn't them and lastly the actions of the singer are just like peter used to do and the same goes for the drummer too he plays just like phil collins its defo genesis
CANUTILITY666 3 years ago
The others tribute band are "ridiculous" (Sorry... :D ) compared to orignal and to the musical box. It's a very strange video, because it's perfect... And only Genesis and the musical box can do that. But this is not genesis or the musical box ! (Sorry for my bad English :D )
ikhnaton 3 years ago
Whoever the are or were, they were a fine imitation.
Lloyd1958 3 years ago
@ikhnaton
how can you pretend they are all ridiculous? you've seen them all? no offense but you should work a bit on what looks like a narrow minded thinking rather than your english ;)
frk75 3 months ago
This is one of any number of Genesis tribute bands, with possibly overdubbed Genesis audio, or audio from The Musical Box. They are actually perfect at this show. And "Steve" is way too tall.
jacham11 3 years ago
oh, that's Peter alright. from where did this come?
michigancherry 3 years ago
It's probably Kevin Gilbert, coming back from the grave to frighten us once again.
ray6200 3 years ago
Yeah, that could be. scary, man!
michigancherry 3 years ago
Oh, come on, Frink. 'At least people do something with their time'? You can do better than that, surely? Not the most incisive reply I've ever read. A bit 'bleughhh' kind of thing. You may as well say 'at least they're breathing'. Yes? And? So what? Sharpen up, Sir! (or Madam).
AndyHN34 3 years ago
All I'm saying is it's easy to say that someone has too much time on their hands when they are doing something productive. I think you missed the point of what I was saying. If all they did was lay around breathing, being lazy and not enjoying the time giving to them, then I guess you could say they had too much time on their hands. But they did something with the time they got, silly as it may be. At least they were enjoying themselves, hopefully.
frinkmhey 3 years ago
Ab-so-loot-lee NOT Genesis! Lol!!! Everything about it is wrong; the style of clothes, the guitars, 'Gabriels' flower (which looks as if someones mum has just run it up out of cardboard). Why would anyone spend time faking it? Too much time on their hands, probably. American, most likely. Comic-Book Guy and his heavy friends. Stopped playing Dungeons and Dragons long enough to knock out a fake Genesis video...
AndyHN34 3 years ago
This is off topic, but the phrase "Too Much Time
On Someones Hands" is one of the most misused phrases. You could say Genesis themselves had too much times on their hands when they made their music. At least people do something with their time, even if it is something goofy as this video. I just had to rant about that.
frinkmhey 3 years ago
I am a bit young for all this and not a real genesis-head but would like to believe that is really Genesis in this vid. Why would it not be?
sandprof 3 years ago
Someone went to a LOT of trouble to fake this. Much of the audio sounds like it could be dubbed from real Genesis bootlegs, but the bodies on stage do not look like Genesis, the Phil and Mike especially, and Steve certainly didn't play a white Strat in this era. Interesting though...
zepromz 3 years ago
i am wrong, after watching some videos, he did sit during the musical box early on, but still doesn't look like a Rickenbacker
moonwasaloon 3 years ago
1. That isn't a les paul Hackett is using, which from day one until today, he mainly uses.
2. Michael Rutherford didn't sit during the musical box, he played a 12 string Rickenbacker guitar (which doesnt look like that guitar in the video) and played the bass pedals standing up,and before this is brought up, the reason why he is sitting on the cover of genesis live is because he had to switch guitars for suppers ready but for the musical box, he stayed on the same guitar for the whole song.
moonwasaloon 3 years ago
I think the real point here is why would anyone spend the time and effort spoofing this? what would be the point? I say it's real, just from a low-quality, probably 8mm film and then copied onto a VHS tape before going bad, or being a copy of a copy or maybe a 3rd or 4th gen. who knows the technical details. I digress
matthehat 3 years ago
"why would anyone spend the time and effort spoofing this? "
You're asking a useless question.
MisterQuebec 3 years ago
do explain, oh omnipotent one
matthehat 3 years ago
Crappy footage of crappy impostors.
vcasalnova 3 years ago
I owned a multi generation video of this back in 93..don't even remember where I got it. The quality is much better then this and I've watched it many times..I'm convinced its Genesis.
dipshit00 3 years ago
This is not the real Genesis, even when they move we can notice that it is not Peter Gabriel and the other musicians are not either. This is a fake.
hotman1122 3 years ago
Ok I've watched a little more closely and Mike is stood up at the start, you have to squint though the quality is that poor, which leads me on to my next point.
bigiainw if you have the original it must be in much better quality so any chance of sharing with us?
marsd696 3 years ago
@ bigiainw This is not known in Genesis circles as the Black Show. The Black show was the latter part of the Selling England tour, this is a Foxtrot show.
It more than likely is a fake but why would someone go to so much trouble?
@genesisfan3 Mike Rutherford is indeed taller than Peter Gabriel but Mike is sat down!
marsd696 3 years ago
Real or not... the music certainly ROCKS!!
eelwoman75 3 years ago
Two things: Peter Gabriel is not taller than Michael Rutherford (whose pretty tall...) and, on the Willow Farm section notice those lights lining the base of the back of the stage. They didn't have those then. On the Foxtrot tour Genesis could barely afford a couple lamps overhead.
genesisfan3 3 years ago
This IS genesis, a show sht in california in early 1974, known in genesis circles as the Black Show for obvious reasons! I have the original. It is from the same tour as the Shepperton 16mm film
bigiainw 4 years ago
Nope.
ikhnaton 4 years ago
I agree, having reviewed the 20/12/73 show from Burbank, this is different. It looks similar to some very short clips I have seen with a German soundtrack, but it's got me stumped! It is though, undeniably Genesis themselves.
bigiainw 3 years ago
I think this Genisis also. But, if you have a good original please share it. I love the old stuff.
Pnyquist 3 years ago
The curtain in this show is white. In a Black show they used a black curtain behind them. The Black Show was the second half of the Selling England show. The show from California was a black show shot in Santa Monica--I actually drove by the Civic Center today where it was performed. This is a fake Foxtrot era white curtain show.
JackBeermann 3 years ago 2
@bigiainw I was at THIS show !!!
racer500gp 1 year ago
sorry that i must say that this seems to be the original Genesis of 1973. If not, if it was a Fake, it is better or at least more powerful than MusicalBox ever will be. So maybe the sound is original, but for me it seems totally autentic. I dont see any bad synchronization between Sound and Video either.
anyway, i love youtube,
cu Klaus,
crocotone studio
crocotone 4 years ago 2
Not Genesis. Someone tried to pull the (Lamb's) wool over your eyes! Looks as if it was shot on one of those toy camcorders that used cassette tapes.
curiousted 4 years ago
This is a FAKE! It's been circulating for years on bootleg video as an amusing little experiment. But don't be fooled, this is not Genesis.
sledgeinc2 4 years ago
Hackett didn't use a strat til 77. That's not Phil on the drums, he sits differently. The audio might well be Genesis as it's dubbed.
paviatomsk 4 years ago 2
The conspiration theorists at work again - well, at least you're always good for a chuckle...
schlenzi 4 years ago
oh, that should be 'conspiracy' of course - 'conspiration' is French - my bad...
schlenzi 4 years ago
Fake. Simple as that.
kylehudson00 4 years ago
Comment removed
frinkmhey 4 years ago
Well... this isn't the band Musical Box.
And the lead singer sounds just like Gabriel.
Very interesting.
PaulHartXYZ 4 years ago
This isn't Genesis. It's not Phil's kit (where are the tubular bells) it's not set up like Phil's kit and it's not Phil playing it. Gabriel didn't have anything over his mouth when he sang Watcher, that's not Hackett and it's not his guitar, I could go on. Oh and PG's flower mask didn't look like that.
paviatomsk 4 years ago
The flower mask look like that during the foxtrot tour.(Not the same mask during SEBTP tour) The drums kit look like the gretsh drums kit used by Phil during Nursery/Foxtrot tour. I have also doubt about this video. This is perfect, except the guitar solo during the musical box. Maybe this is a Tribute band like "the musical box" ... but what a tribute band! (And sorry for my poor English)
ikhnaton 4 years ago
It is not real Genesis, it is a fake and maybe not a tribute band cause we don't see nothing. Maybe it is a group of people that filmed in the dark and try to make us believe it is rare archive footage, but it is not it is a FAKE.
hotman1122 4 years ago
Since I saw them 11 times around the NYC metro area I guarentee you that its them. They played several times at the Acadamy of Music , once at the Philharmonic Hall and a few times at the Beacon Theater in New Jersey. It looks 100% authentic because I was there.
SixDayWar67 2 years ago
"It's not Phil's kit (where are the tubular bells) it's not set up like Phil's kit and it's not Phil playing it."
Haha, damn.
BaronvonCase 4 years ago
Oh yes it is!
bigiainw 3 years ago
I'm pretty damn sure that's them... I listened carefully and everything about the clips leads me to believe they're authentic. Right down to the atrocious sound quality of the recordings...
MarxNutz 4 years ago 2
It,s not them
hotman1122 4 years ago
This is obviously not Genesis, why would someone post something like this and say it's Genesis? Do you think there's no one out there who can see through this?
paviatomsk 4 years ago
This used to circulate on VHS tape as Genesis from some place in Canada--I cannot remember the name. But it is a lip synch.
JackBeermann 3 years ago 3
Thanks ! Great moments...
hugetubefr 4 years ago