@horslovingurl A pony is cheaper and it's better for the pony than for the dog. That's why this ísn't allowed where I live. With a dog pulling a cart like this you won't come far here.
@MarkTwainsGhost Actually that was a long time ago and also forbidden already for a long time. Pit bulls were bred for fighting bulls, you don´t think that´s still ok either do you?
@Saartje05 Here in Canada, I can assure you, dogs are allowed to pull carts and sleds. Are Border Collies also forbidden from herding where you live? My dog loves pulling with his harness, and he is always eager to put it on. Not that I ever let him pull too much weight, but it is certainly a part of his nature.
@MarkTwainsGhost There´s a huge difference letting dogs pulling carts (not natural) and collies herding (natural). YOU might pay attention your dog doesn't pull too much weight but many people don't give a shit (as can see on many youtube video's).
@Saartje05 Here, I'll break it down for you a little. Bernese mountain dog pulling sled or cart- Cool with me. People eating dogs- Not cool with me.
Let's try and restrict our discussion to what's at hand and not extrapolate unnecessarily. You would hate for me to start make assumptions about your character.
@MarkTwainsGhost You were the one saying they were bred for pulling carts. They were also bred to be eaten and many other dogs were bred to fight. It´s long forbidden here to let them pull carts, eat them or fight dogs. Somehow you´re ok with one thing and not with the rest. What is strange, because they were bred for it. YOUR words.
@Saartje05 Ah, but in your first comment you said that it would be okay for a pony but not a dog. Horses have been made into glue for years after their useful working life has passed. I can only assume that you think this is fine treatment, since you condone them spending their lives pulling carts. Why do you not care about horses' lives as well?
I am okay with Bernese pulling carts if they like to do it and it is reasonable and moderate. It is part of their nature to enjoy the activity.
@Saartie05 However, I would be against eating the family pet because it is inhumane and cruel. There is a clear difference between the two things, that is why I am able to condone one and not the other.
The entire point of pointing out that you would not like me to make assumptions about your character was because you were obviously making assumptions about mine (in assuming I thought eating dogs was okay). As you stated, In YOUR words, "it says a lot more about you than me."
@MarkTwainsGhost We're not talking about ponies, we're talking about dogs. Many people go around working themselves to death also, if we start there there's no end. And I don't mind ponies pulling carts, they're MUCH stronger than dogs. And I own four horses myself, so I do care about horses. I keep them till very old ages. My oldest is 27 years old. I don't take them to a butcher or let them make into glue (what hasn't been done for about a hundred years). They stay with me till the end.
@Saartje05 Actually, there is still no synthetic replacement for the connective tissue found in the marrow, hooves and spines of animals and most commercial woodworking glues still contain animal parts, including horses. They are also eaten in many parts of the world, and domestic animals often find their way to the rendering plant after death.
In contrast, most domestic dogs who pull carts are not work animals at all, but family pets likely to be well treated.
Most dogs were bread for task. Even the bull dog was designed to herd animals in the slaughter house, not fight them in combat as you suggested. These strong instincts are built into the animals character, and using these characteristics to exercise and entertain the animal is not intrinsically wrong. Indeed the very reason we have these animals today is because their usefulness encouraged continued breeding. The animal's happiness is key, not your personal idea of what is acceptable.
I brought up the ponies only as a logical tool. You assumed that because I condoned the use of Bernese for pulling carts, something they were historically bred for, I also condoned their use as food, something you say also occurred. By the same logic, because you condone the use of horses as draft animals, something they were bred for, you must also condone their use as food and rendered into glue. In truth, I assume you do not. I simply wanted to point out the absurdity of your argument.
@Saartje05 Sorry, but your first post recommended ponies instead of dogs for pulling carts, suggesting that you are fine with having them as draft animals. If you are not for such activities for horses what are yours for? You certainly must not ride them? For that is considerably more work then pulling a cart? The poor horses' back forced to bear your weight.
Perhaps you think horses are meant for ridding? Untrue, they were bred for that purpose over many generations, much like dogs and carts.
@MarkTwainsGhost And no, I woulnd't hate you for making assumptions about my character because if you do that it says a lot more about you than about me.
Sweet!
Q: where can you get a cart and harness like that?
mushfrog2 4 months ago
Awesome Dog!
Wolf251982 1 year ago
yea if you cant have a miniature horse this is the way to go lol!!! my dog does it to
horslovingurl 1 year ago
@horslovingurl A pony is cheaper and it's better for the pony than for the dog. That's why this ísn't allowed where I live. With a dog pulling a cart like this you won't come far here.
Saartje05 3 months ago
@Saartje05 Actually, Bernese are draft dogs. They are bred for pulling carts.
MarkTwainsGhost 3 months ago
@MarkTwainsGhost Actually that was a long time ago and also forbidden already for a long time. Pit bulls were bred for fighting bulls, you don´t think that´s still ok either do you?
Saartje05 3 months ago
@Saartje05 Here in Canada, I can assure you, dogs are allowed to pull carts and sleds. Are Border Collies also forbidden from herding where you live? My dog loves pulling with his harness, and he is always eager to put it on. Not that I ever let him pull too much weight, but it is certainly a part of his nature.
MarkTwainsGhost 3 months ago
@MarkTwainsGhost There´s a huge difference letting dogs pulling carts (not natural) and collies herding (natural). YOU might pay attention your dog doesn't pull too much weight but many people don't give a shit (as can see on many youtube video's).
Saartje05 3 months ago
@MarkTwainsGhost And actually, many of these dogs were eaten by the Swiss because of their meat. Is that ok with you?
Saartje05 3 months ago
@Saartje05 Here, I'll break it down for you a little. Bernese mountain dog pulling sled or cart- Cool with me. People eating dogs- Not cool with me.
Let's try and restrict our discussion to what's at hand and not extrapolate unnecessarily. You would hate for me to start make assumptions about your character.
MarkTwainsGhost 3 months ago
@MarkTwainsGhost You were the one saying they were bred for pulling carts. They were also bred to be eaten and many other dogs were bred to fight. It´s long forbidden here to let them pull carts, eat them or fight dogs. Somehow you´re ok with one thing and not with the rest. What is strange, because they were bred for it. YOUR words.
Saartje05 3 months ago
@Saartje05 Ah, but in your first comment you said that it would be okay for a pony but not a dog. Horses have been made into glue for years after their useful working life has passed. I can only assume that you think this is fine treatment, since you condone them spending their lives pulling carts. Why do you not care about horses' lives as well?
I am okay with Bernese pulling carts if they like to do it and it is reasonable and moderate. It is part of their nature to enjoy the activity.
MarkTwainsGhost 3 months ago
@Saartie05 However, I would be against eating the family pet because it is inhumane and cruel. There is a clear difference between the two things, that is why I am able to condone one and not the other.
The entire point of pointing out that you would not like me to make assumptions about your character was because you were obviously making assumptions about mine (in assuming I thought eating dogs was okay). As you stated, In YOUR words, "it says a lot more about you than me."
MarkTwainsGhost 3 months ago
@MarkTwainsGhost We're not talking about ponies, we're talking about dogs. Many people go around working themselves to death also, if we start there there's no end. And I don't mind ponies pulling carts, they're MUCH stronger than dogs. And I own four horses myself, so I do care about horses. I keep them till very old ages. My oldest is 27 years old. I don't take them to a butcher or let them make into glue (what hasn't been done for about a hundred years). They stay with me till the end.
Saartje05 3 months ago
@Saartje05 Actually, there is still no synthetic replacement for the connective tissue found in the marrow, hooves and spines of animals and most commercial woodworking glues still contain animal parts, including horses. They are also eaten in many parts of the world, and domestic animals often find their way to the rendering plant after death.
In contrast, most domestic dogs who pull carts are not work animals at all, but family pets likely to be well treated.
MarkTwainsGhost 3 months ago
Most dogs were bread for task. Even the bull dog was designed to herd animals in the slaughter house, not fight them in combat as you suggested. These strong instincts are built into the animals character, and using these characteristics to exercise and entertain the animal is not intrinsically wrong. Indeed the very reason we have these animals today is because their usefulness encouraged continued breeding. The animal's happiness is key, not your personal idea of what is acceptable.
MarkTwainsGhost 3 months ago
I brought up the ponies only as a logical tool. You assumed that because I condoned the use of Bernese for pulling carts, something they were historically bred for, I also condoned their use as food, something you say also occurred. By the same logic, because you condone the use of horses as draft animals, something they were bred for, you must also condone their use as food and rendered into glue. In truth, I assume you do not. I simply wanted to point out the absurdity of your argument.
MarkTwainsGhost 3 months ago
@MarkTwainsGhost I don't condone the use of horses as draft animals, I drive myself. So I don't know where you got that idea.
Saartje05 3 months ago
@Saartje05 Sorry, but your first post recommended ponies instead of dogs for pulling carts, suggesting that you are fine with having them as draft animals. If you are not for such activities for horses what are yours for? You certainly must not ride them? For that is considerably more work then pulling a cart? The poor horses' back forced to bear your weight.
Perhaps you think horses are meant for ridding? Untrue, they were bred for that purpose over many generations, much like dogs and carts.
MarkTwainsGhost 3 months ago
@MarkTwainsGhost And no, I woulnd't hate you for making assumptions about my character because if you do that it says a lot more about you than about me.
Saartje05 3 months ago
How old is your Berner? We'd like to train our berner Samson when he's big enough.
ffmedic1410 1 year ago
@ffmedic1410 Max is 3, we did not start until we were sure he was full grown and he could safely handle the cart.
LPS09LS 1 year ago