BBC: Armenian Genocide documentary

[aligevis]

DO YOU UNDERSTAND ARMENIAN'S BITCHES?

[aligevis]

ՀԱՅԿԱԿԱՆ սուզակ!!! "ERMENİ PİSLİKLER!!!" YOU ARE FRENCH'S AND RUSSIAN'S AND AMERICN'S SLAVES ARE NOTHING MORE THAN!!!!!!

[Oyrad58]

and what about the armenians? they killed and burned muslim villagers in eastern anatolia! fucking propaganda! fuck those armenoid scums!

those europeans massacred native indians, usa napalmed vietnam, nuked 2 japanese city! fucking liers!

Long live great Turkish nation! Türk ulusu sen çok yaşa!

[zzeynepp18]

these videos are not objectively prepared,why does it only contain the interviews with armenian withnesses, to be objective he should have interviewied with the turkish withnesses whose families were slaughtered by armenians.And to be objective he should have searched the documents and talked with the professional historians from both side and different sides. I dont like the way of armenians followwed to prove these events.That's why they cant go to the court.This is not fair.

[izaak1211]

In the international law the Armenian allegations of genocide fails to meet the minimum standards of proof required by the UN Convections.So to all the Armenians get over it and stop believing in a fake genocide

[newmassonic]

HISTORICAL FACT SITE-human.gov.az

[newmassonic]

historical fact human.gov.az

[punkboyful]

You can't change truth with putting armenian name on the dead Turkish bodies pictures that not making armenian genocide you know this is still TURKISH GENOCIDE 2.000.000 TURKISH & KURDISH PEOPLE KILLED BY ARMENIANS 1915 They killed lots of armenians because no an other way for life Now armenians trying to wash their bloody hand with lies not helpful. Thousands armenians still living in Turkiye in peace I am asking how many Turkish living in armenia? No Turkish there. Who killer? Still Even Now!

[aliksankemalce]

armenian scumbags are just a liers and traitors.

they have lived with turks 1000 years but when turks got in trouble they have

attacked inocent turkis willagers.and killed 517.000 innocent eople.

so we have have removed them to syria.

many armenians died on the road by disease and hunger or revenge.

but it was not genocide.if my ancestors wanted to make genocide there

wouldnt be any armenians on earth now

I CERTAİNY AGREE WİTH YOU MAN

[HaykazBagrat]

it's time to fuck everyone who denies the fact of genocide

[Avetisahkyans]

1915 yılında, savaş örtüsü altında, Osmanlı hükümetinin 1,75 hakkında anda) tamamen Türkiye'nin Ermeni nüfusu (sınırdışı karar verdi. Onların planı Suriye ve Mezopotamya (şimdi Irak) çöllerine sürgün dahil. Ermenilerin Yüzbinlerce evlerinden ve ya katledildi ya da sürüldü öldüler kadar kuvvet çölde yürüdü

[BlackIce4j]

@Avetisahkyans poor armo! using google translate for your lies in turkish in order to convince the rest of fool armenians :) do not try so hard, kim krdsshn makes good bl.wjobs to do so ;) send more hot daughters to make everybody believe this bull sh.t...

[Avetisahkyans]

Türkiye'ye Alman büyükelçisi ev yazdı: "Hükümet gerçekten Ermeni yarış Exterminating hedefine izlemektedir Osmanlı İmparatorluğu '. 1915 ve 1923 tarihi Ermenistan'ın batı kesiminde arasında Ermenilerin boşalttı oldu. Ölüm bilançosu güvenilir bir milyonun üzerinde olduğu tahmin edilmektedir. Olanlar Orta Doğu, Rusya veya USA.EUROPE kaçtı ölmedi

[tourkosfuktme]

armenian scumbags are just a liers and traitors.

they have lived with turks 1000 years but when turks got in trouble they have

attacked inocent turkis willagers.and killed 517.000 innocent eople.

so we have have removed them to syria.

many armenians died on the road by disease and hunger or revenge.

but it was not genocide.if my ancestors wanted to make genocide there

wouldnt be any armenians on earth now

[DMGIT]

Yossi Beilin

Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister. April 27, 1994 on the floor of the Knesset in response to a TV interview of the Turkish Ambassador

It was not war. It was most certainly massacre and genocide, something the world must remember... We will always reject any attempt to erase its record, even for some political advantage.

[DMGIT]

find a truth??? real truth or "turkish truth" ? hahahahaha... there is only one truth and it's well known to the rest of the world..

The question is if u want to see it...

[ainanor]

Well said! I agree with you! Turks were just doing their duty as their non god allah says, who to me is a peiece of garbage!

[tellyoutrue]

Dear page owner Narek781: I would like to gratefully thank you for allowing me to post, under my other username, the view you disagree with. You are an Armenian with credibility. I apologize if I overdid it; I only did so, because your other reader, DMGIT, kept showing such shameless dishonesty. You can see DMGIT has little conscience; he is so lost & driven, his strategy is to spam with more propaganda, in order to suppress the facts I've offered. I hope you agree that is no way to find truth.

[DMGIT]

Let us remember Ambassador Morgenthaus words when he met with Talaat Pasha, who asked him:

Why are you so interested in the Armenians anyway? You are a Jew, these people are Christians.

Morgenthau replied:

You dont seem to realize that I am not here as a Jew but as the American Ambassador.I do not appeal to you in the name of any race or religion, but merely as a human being.

[DMGIT]

3. Claim that the deaths were inadvertent, due to lack of food and water, not due to intentional destruction. The falsehood of this claim is is proven by American consular officers, missionaries, and even by the archives of the Ottoman Empires allies, Germany and Austria-Hungary, as well as by the records of the Ottoman Courts-Martial of 1918-1920. This was intentional mass murder by starvation. It wasnt an unfortunate by-product of a deportation.

[DMGIT]

2. Claim that Muslim Turks also suffered many deaths. The problem with this argument is that the deaths were in battles with European troops, not at the hands of the Armenians, who were deported like sheep into the desert.

[DMGIT]

Today, the Turkish government has three favorites:

1. Blame the victims. Claim that the killings were in self-defense against people who were disloyal to the Ottoman Empire during World War I. In fact, very few Armenians joined the Ottoman Empires enemies, and certainly none of the women and children could have. But they were murdered nevertheless.

[DMGIT]

Several international organizations have conducted studies of the events, each in turn determining that the term "genocide" aptly describes "the Ottoman massacre of Armenians in 1915-1916." Among the organizations affirming this conclusion are the International Center for Transitional Justice, the International Association of Genocide Scholars, and the United Nations' Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities.

[DMGIT]

Law professor Raphael Lemkin, who coined the term "genocide" in 1943, has stated that he did so with the fate of the Armenians in mind, explaining that "it happened so many times First to the Armenians, then after the Armenians, Hitler took action."

[DMGIT]

Lewis' views on the issue of Armenian Genocide were widely criticized by historians and scholars including Alain Finkielkraut, Yves Ternon, Albert Memmi, Pierre Vidal-Naquet, Robert Melson, David B. MacDonald, Norman Finkelstein, and Stephen Zunes has described him as a "notorious genocide-denier".

[DMGIT]

1961 book by Princeton professor Bernard Lewis - " The emergence of modern Turkey" - on page 356 - ".... Terrible Holocaust of 1915 when 1.5 million Armenians perished..."

After Princeton Chair prof. Heath Lowry received a grant of $750.000 from Republic of Turkey - Bernard Lewis turned into Armenian Holocaust denier

[tellyoutruly]

And thank you, DMGIT, for obliterating your credibility in the eyes of this page's readers. You copy-pasted this exact bull 11 months ago and were squarely put in your place with the truth. You have the incredible dishonor to repost what you now know are lies. Before you might have been ignorant; now you have revealed yourself to be dishonest beyond words, and immoral as well, to keep on defaming these professors. No wonder you love scholarly frauds such as Yair Auron and Israel Charny.

[DMGIT]

Israel Charny wrote about Lewis' views that "the seemingly scholarly concern with putting the historical facts in the context of Armenians constituting a threat to the Turks as a rebellious force who together with the Russians threatened the Ottoman Empire, and the insistence that only a policy of deportations was executed, barely conceal the fact that the organized deportations constituted systematic mass murder".[33]

[tellyoutruly]

If Yair Auron lacks credibility, that goes double for Charny, whose background is in psychology, and who knows nothing of objective history. Like Auron, he is genocide obsessed, and Charny lacks a scholarly body of work; he has mainly served as an editor. He omits crucial information not to his liking and feels free to use the worst propaganda, as long as his genocide agenda is served. Lewis, on the other hand, is a true scholar who takes all into account; a foreign concept to genocide scholars.

[tellyoutruly]

Furthermore, let's concentrate on the stupidity of what Charny has written: The fact that the Armenians have rebelled is an irrefutable fact, and they rebelled at a time when their Ottoman nation was fighting for its existence. Many nations, as WWI Britain & WWII USA "deported" their "enemy" citizens even when they were innocent. It's the right & duty of any nation internally attacked. To equate relocation with "systematic mass murder" shows dishonesty & delusion that is nearly incomprehensible.

[DMGIT]

historian Yair Auron, "Lewis stature provided a lofty cover for the Turkish national agenda of obfuscating academic research on the Armenian Genocide".[32]

[tellyoutruly]

Yair Auron received his Ph.D. in Contemporary Jewry at a French university, and is currently in the Dept. of Sociology, Political Science and Communication at Israel's Open University. He is an emotional genocide scholar who is obsessed with genocides of his choosing, while leaving out ones off his bigoted agenda. He is no "historian." A historian's duty is to utilize all available information in order to find impartial truth. A propagandist like Auron is not impartial and has no credibility.

[tellyoutruly]

To cement Auron's phoniness as a scholar strictly from the quote above, he is not targeting whether Lewis is historically right or wrong, and he is not offering better evidence to prove Lewis wrong. Auron is coming from the standpoint that Auron's view is the correct one, and that it is only Lewis' "stature" that is getting in the way. It is not who a person is that matters; all that matters is the quality of the research.

[DMGIT]

1961 book by Princeton professor Bernard Lewis - " The emergence of modern Turkey" - on page 356 - ".... Terrible Holocaust of 1915 when 1.5 million Armenians perished..."

After Princeton Chair prof. Heath Lowry received a grant of $750.000 from Republic of Turkey - Bernard Lewis turned into Armenian Holocaust denier

[masumanadolu]

Yürü be. Çok güzel yazmışsın kardeşim.

[gEtoile]

Dear Armenians,

STOP to identfy you with truthless claims. Yes, you were killed by Turks. It´s was a tragedy, but it was not a genocide. Be honest, who began to kill? The Turks or the Armenians? Weren´t 500.000 muslims killed by the Armenians for their bloody independence, when the Ottoman Empire was weak caue of the War. And don´t forget the privileges of the Armenians in the ottoman society.

[elkoen070]

OMGGGGGG FINALLYY YOU UNDERSTAND US (some one in this wholeee WORLDD yes ur right armenians begon firstt but they never talk aboutt it ( the world now is talking about christianss and muslimss WTFF we need to stop with it and let everybbody have his/her own teaching(what it believes it)

look armenian genocide doesn't exists because they begon first

and my friend in 1992 armenia and russia atacked AZERBAYCAN (this really is a genocide)

and nobody TALKS about it :S

[masumanadolu]

People believe what they want to believe. Armenians are ruthless murderers. They are looking forward to kill innocent muslim people no matter Turkish, Kurdish or Azeri. They are the enemy of humanity. The murderers of past now hiding in the sheep skin. Very funny, also sad for mankind!

[SonoPortoricano]

Read the definition of genocide, specifically as defined in International Criminal Law. It's the crime the "intent to destroy, in whole o in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such." The Ottoman policy with the Armenians in Armenia during WWI clearly fits the definition of this criminal act, and it constitutes genocide. Therefore the biased arguments some point out to prove it was not a genocide, bring things that are completely irrelevant to the constituency of genocide.

[tellyoutruly]

Bosnia was also commonly labeled a genocide, but the UN Court at the Hague said no. The 1948 UN Convention has legal rules that must be followed. One is proof of intent. You do not have it. This BBC propaganda does not have it either, pointing to the fabricated Hitler quote and the relocation order as evidence. The only thing that matters are the facts. Aside from forgeries, your only "proof" rests with the opinions of consuls/missionaries, based on what they were told. Hearsay is not evidence.

[SonoPortoricano]

Ethnic cleansing and genocide are two different acts, yet the line that divides them many times vanishes at all. Anyhow, there's no denying that the massacres of Armenians were made through the process of massive deportation. This massive deportation, on the contrary to Bosnia, was a mean of eliminating in the process as much Armenians as possible.

[tellyoutruly]

The significance of Bosnia only lies in how many emotionally leapt to label it as a genocide when it was not - according to the legal UN rules. Only connection to Armenians is that folks similarly ignore the rules. If you want to conclude the relocation served as a platform to exterminate rather than the self-defense measure it was toward a rebellious community, in the midst of a life & death war, that is your emotional opinion. You cannot back up with facts. Neither could this BBC propaganda.

[SonoPortoricano]

What "facts" do you have to proof the "un-evidence" character of outside testimonies? This is completely biased. The facts we have are indirect -and we have many- but they are no less of facts simply because we cannot hold millions of bones to proof death. Remember: in genocides many times the memory of the victims is erased and any direct evidence of the crime is not left nor given: as if it never happened. Obviously people that deny the Armenian genocide deny it based on what they were told.

[tellyoutruly]

when people give opinions, that is no substitute for fact. That is hearsay. No missionary or consul eyewitnessed massacres, only suffering. (These were the real biased parties, simply accepting the word of their Armenian friends.) This is contrary to the Russian and French officers who directly eyewitnessed the Armenian campaign to exterminate Muslims. The British tried to find proof with the Malta Tribunal and found none. They did find evidence on how the Ottomans tried to protect Armenians.

[tellyoutruly]

Also, have you asked why you can't point to the "millions of bones"? The worst happened at Zor, in today's Iraq, & outside Turkish control for 90 years. Why hasn't the Armenian community financed an excavation? Is it possible the bones have been exaggerated? Most died of famine/disease, as most Turks. More Armenians were probably massacred in eastern Anatolia, after they lost control (after 1917), by Muslims revengeful for what the Armenians had done to them. No intent by government, no genocide

[armenian12girl]

ohh everytime i watch this my eyes are filld with tears of pain

[turkhooligans]

fuck bbc fuck armenia

[anulik251]

@turkhooligans FUCK U! MOTHERFUCKER. U SHOULD BE HATING ON THE ENTIRE WORLD CUZ THEY R ALL FOR THE GENOCIDE. SOOOOOO UVE GOT ALOT OF HATIN TO DO SO GET RIGHT TO IT MAN UR WASTING TIME BITCH!

[ArdarArmenian]

love, peace and friendship between nations!.

[DMGIT]

1961 book by Princeton professor Bernard Lewis - " The emergence of modern Turkey" - on page 356 - ".... Terrible Holocaust of 1915 when 1.5 million Armenians perished..."

After Princeton Chair prof. Heath Lowry received a grant of $750.000 from Republic of Turkey - Bernard Lewis turned into Armenian Holocaust denier

[tellyoutruly]

The reason why Lewis reached his initial conclusion is because all that was easily available by 1961 was Armenian propaganda. Vahakn Dadrian has written that Lewis changed his mind after reading Kamuran Gurun's "The Armenian File," and not for the reason you stated. (If Lowry got this job, are you saying Lewis dishonestly changed course in hopes of a similar job? What makes you think Lewis even needed a job?) Lewis did what a real scholar does, revise his findings once better info comes along.

[tellyoutruly]

You are also grossly mistaken in writing that Lowry received this grant. What that grant represented -- and it was matched with an equal amount by the Turkish-American president of Atlantic records -- was the creation of a Turkish studies department at Princeton University. Such departments were necessary thanks to the void of real Turkish history at U.S. universities. Lowry only came into play when he was hired to head the department, strictly through his qualifications as a historian.

[DMGIT]

what is " real turkish history" ? - is it denying genocide?

[tellyoutruly]

Real Turkish history encompasses 600 years of Ottomans, Seljuks before & modern after; the Armenians are relatively insignificant in comparison. Turkish history does not begin & end with your genocide myth. Is this your intellectual choice for reply? As typical, you don't address how wrong you were, but move on to a new attack. It's very dishonorable, just as belittling "Denying genocide" when the genocide is without evidence. Search for "Fact-Check: BBC's The Betrayed" & observe the sources.

[DMGIT]

real turkish history is a history of destruction ; massacres ; rapes..... of not armenians only but also other christian minorities..

I guess this is well known everywhere else but Turkey..

[DMGIT]

and by the way - at least don't talk about honour..don't be pathetic

[tellyoutruly]

My definition of honor, in this case, boils down to distancing myself from my emotions, and to reach conclusions based on impartial evidence. It is highly dishonorable to make blanket charges of high crimes when all you can point to is dishonest & hateful propaganda. Every time you get creamed for your dishonesty, your response is simply to move on to a new avenue of attack. Unfortunately, there can be no intelligent discussion with someone so immersed in hateful misinformation as yourself.

[DMGIT]

discussion??? what makes u think we're having a discussion?

[tellyoutruly]

I'm sure you believe I have many failings, and one more you can add to your list is that I like to see the best in my fellow man. Regardless of the hopelessness involved, I am still addressing you as one capable of reason & honesty. But you are absolutely correct; there can be no discussion when you make a stupid point, I meet that point with logic and the truth, and then in response you pretend your stupid point never existed, and simply move on to the next of your bottomless pit of attacks.

[tellyoutruly]

While we're on the topic of dishonor, let's not sidestep the reason why we're in this scrap: you defamed the character of Profs. Lowry and Lewis by telling us one received nearly 1 million $ & Lewis changed tracks in hopes of such a reward. You offered zero proof. That was VERY dishonorable. Watch Lewis explain why there was no genocide (Search YT for "Bernard Lewis Speaking on Armenian Allegations"), & then challenge what he was basing his statements on. He is not speaking this way for money.

[BBJ1921]

I agree with you but when the Americans think that one lobby is more important for them than a key major ally than they shell officially recognize it then we can look for other allies.

[souriyahabibi]

Although I'm really interested in the Ottoman culture, I think they were one of the world's biggest tyrants. I don't get why some people continuously deny the genocide when it's a known fact. What do these people have to lose if they simply admit the Ottomans were murderers?

[syd1977]

i also read history.there was killing.but it was not 1 side.maybe ottomans did more.i dont know.but the thing started when ottoman empire was weak; armenians created terorist groups called hincak,tashnak and start to kill innocent people around.did you read that 2?

besides ottoman emppire had 32 countries living under them and all of them wanted freedom.everywhere of the empire was on fire and they killed even turkish who is modernized.just think; how many country attack them in 1st world war

[souriyahabibi]

syd I take back what I said my friend. What I should have said was that the Ottomans were the most liberal minded group that ruled over these 32 countries you mentioned. According to Western sources, they even allowed ppl of different faiths to practice what they wished. In the beginning they even fought alongside the Armenians against the Catholics were attempting to massacre them.

[souriyahabibi]

And yes I did some readings on these massacres you mentioned. Many innocent Turkish ppl were slaughtered while Turkey was under attack from many sides such as Russia and the Armenians. There are places that show evidence and Turkish familiies who fled these massacres can attest to that. I agree with you, the genocide has happened but it was a chain reaction because everyone was against the Turks at one point.

[syd1977]

yepp...from start ..in 1400s till 1700s..everything was fair in the country.thats why they conquered every contry very easily..but after there was many problems.till 1923..i beileve its time to have peace after all these years..nobody can change past...

[SonoPortoricano]

Read the definition of genocide, specifically as defined in International Criminal Law. It's the crime the "intent to destroy, in whole o in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such." The Ottoman policy with the Armenians in Armenia during WWI clearly fits the definition of this criminal act, and it constitutes genocide. Therefore the biased arguments some point out to prove it was not a genocide, bring things that are completely irrelevant to the constituency of genocide.

[masumanadolu]

If you are not a Turkish, for you have such a neutral stance, I congratulate you. You are a good man.

I am from eastern part of Turkey. In my hometown and city thausands of villagers were brutally killed and buried in mass graves by armenian gangs who were armed by Russia since Ottomans and Russians were at war. as a reprisal Ottomans killed armed Armenians , but it can never be called as genocide. Armenians even killed pregnant women and their unborn babies! My grandparent lived these!

[bonjourtous]

It's awfule what the Turks did to the Armenians in 1915! The world know it well!

[asiryan]

turks are cowards!