That's fuel folks. I wonder why they wouldn't use direct cylinder injection? Maybe because of the RPM's/detonation? I too would love to see how the valve train works @ 18K R's. I do know that when they test these engines they use telemetry from the last race at whatever track their setting up for. So that engine is "racing" the actual course for which it is being set up. Cool stuff.
@ReveretheHood Direct fuel injection is banned by regulation till 2014 when they change to 1.6L V6 Turboenginges. The High revs wouldn't be realy such a big problem for a direct injection system.
@Navy1348 Yeah it's for sure since end of june this year. The FIA had also already published the 2014 technical Regulations on there webpage. They will probably tweak it a bit until 2014, but the principals stay.
They first discussed to use Straith-4 Turboengines, but especially Ferrari and Cosworth don't liked this suggesteion, because a Straith-engine would have some drawbacks in a Formulacar.
What I'd like to know is how the pneumatic valves operate. They must have massive air pressure to force, what is it, 4 valves per cylinder x is it 10 cylinders at friggin 18000 rpm plus, that would be each valve opening and closing 150 times a second, right? I suppose they keep a tight lid on the design of their valves or something, but does anyone have any animations or video of the valve operation on these? I can't find it on youtube.
I dont understand how they can operate the engine with its head not in place. How do they achieve the compression required for an engine to run? Pressure controlled room?
Nascar/GM dont want technology!!!!! Its pushrod V8 that GM designed or you wont play, right or wrong????? You dont see OHC, fuel injection, different trannys,etc in Nascar. The F1 engines are going for multiple races, not just 1 race and send it back to the shop for rebuild or scrapped!! Nascar race cars are matchbox designs compared to this stuff!!
@MrLillejeppe don't know why i can't post videos as comments, but there is a video: Renault F-1 Roadshow from last year - listen to the sound of the engine, and then compare it with this one. they aren't the same, which means this engine is not a V8, but in fact V10. also, you can check the honda engine on dyno, exactly the same sound as this one. sorry about the "idiot" remark.
@MrLillejeppe 2 bits of proof this IS a V10... 1: it was made in 2004, the V10 era of F1 ended at the close of the 2005 season. 2: look at 1:16.. you can clearly see 8 throttle bodies exposed BUT there has to be another 2 covered by the shroud since the engine is longer that that end!
@exc019 As far as I'm aware, the set up is cam to rocker arm directly, and it's not the most consistent thing, Formula engines are stripped down and rebuilt every race. =P
@imlovric Yeah, you are completely right. They actually apply a force against the engine to simulate how hard it is to accelerate the car at various speeds.
@RomeoReject23 Yeah, but it's an old one now :P i think a v10. they can squeeze the same HP out a v8 now.. wondering how small the engine wil get in the future..
@imlovric Word on the grape vine is that turbo sixes will be the new engine choice. Not my cup of tea, I preferred the V10's, although the V8's weren't half bad either. V6 isn't right though, in my books.
@circa2football yes, fuel.. those are known as "shower type" injectors and are commonplace on motorcycles now... but will be soon extinct as the DI (dierect injection) method is the best way now.
Hey I dont mean to sound dumb or anything, I just know almost nothing about these engines. 2 or 4 cycle? Pretty fast for 4 cycle. Very cool video though
if its a v10 explain why there are 4 exhaust exits per side and 8 throttle plates...is there some invisible stuff im not seeing? look at the video again
Look at 0:22, you can count five injectors at each side. And BTW, it is a Monza simulation. The first two cilinders are a bit of hidden because of lightning.
It's always interesting how no american posts a comment on a F1 video, especially on those about engines. Just because they aren't able to build a real racing engine like this... :P
Youre right, Americans just lack the technical expertise to build a good F1 engine.
By the way how is your space shuttle program doing there in Switzerland?
A well known company in Switzerland recently bought an American biotech company.............................because the American biotech company had one of the best research staff and promising drug pipelines on the planet, guess the Swiss werent smart enough to compete!
I think a space shuttle program is not depending on the technical expertise of a country, at least not in your case. You just have have, uhm... Actually HAD the money...
Besides that, there is a lot of parts on your shuttles, satellites and even mars vehicles which comes from switzerland. The solar panels or the drive motors of your mars vehicles for example.
You know as good as I do that our biotech and pharmaceutical company are leading. Btw: How is your particle accelerator doing?
Oh now you come with Numbers, who'd have thought? That's the thing you americans always do, we have the biggest, the greatest, the most and so on...
Take a look at your country how it is NOW!
Your infrastructure is totally obsolete, your economy is sick, your government has tons of depts, your cars are underdeveloped, the system of justice is one of the most stupid, you are producing twice (!!!) the garbage as the second rated country and so on...
Well... How 'bout the Vampire kart racing engines? Or the Biland SA 250, the worlds most successful four stroke kart racing engine. And there's also the BMW P86/9 2.4 V8, the F1 racing engine of Sauber BMW which was developed with the aid of swiss engineers.
Track races (except Karting) are forbidden in Switzerland, maybe that's why it isn't that lucrative to build an own racing engine.
You should take a look onto your own people before calling me an embarrassment I think.
Kart engines? That's a hell of a stretch here, kid. There may be some great Swiss karting engines, but this is an F1 posting.
It's BMW Sauber, by the way. Not Sauber BMW. If you're going to claim BMW engines are built with 'the aid of Swiss engineers', you're going to have to claim many other nationalities too. Are you forgetting that Intel is a title and team integrated technology sponsor? Intel, based in California.
As for racing being banned in Switzerland, that was nothing brought up originally, was it? By your logic, why would an American company even want to build an F1 powerplant anyway? F1 is not very popular in the States, and it wouldn't bring many American dollars to the table. Maybe that's why it isn't lucrative to build our own racing engine. Sounds similar to your argument as to why there is no Swiss F1 engine.
First of all, you don't even know why this debate started. It was because of an american who said that your V8's are better than thin engine. Concerning european engines he also used some words I don't want to repeat...
"aircraft would never exist without the US. You know it, I know it." Did I say something different? I don't think so. I said it's a great plane and it was modified and assembled in Switzerland.
"Leave the condescending out, and we can both talk regularly. " Oh, we do! Did I wrote anything condescending concerning the USA or its citizen in the discussion with you? With due respect, I think you are the one who talks condescending. Calling someone kid or son is one way of doing this you know?
It's BMW Sauber, thanks for the correction but this is beside the point I think. As you sure know, this was just one example to give you an Idea how switzerland is involved in development of...
...racing engines. For you I can substantiate the meaning of the aid of swiss engineers. The chief designer and the chief mechanician oft he team are from switzerland. Karting engines are not much less advanced than an F1 engine, at the moment they reached a power density of 340 hp/L. But I should stop talking about Kart engines because: „Kart engines? That's a hell of a stretch here, kid. Yes, of course, but no condescending attitude right?
...back to the topic: The body, by the way, of the BMW Sauber F1.09 was made in switzerland because we have the most advanced wind channel around here.
„As for racing being banned in Switzerland, that was nothing brought up originally, was it? No, it wasnt, just as many other things in our comments I think. So you really dont have to emphasize this to make my guns looking tiny.
I've been closely following Formula One for 30 years - since the days of James Hunt. Respectfully, I don't need any lessons on it. Thanks. Despite what you think, karting engines are MONUMENTALLY less advanced than a Formula One engine. MONUMENTALLY.
I've nothing against anything Swiss. I only take issue with your condescension regarding America. Same as you take issue with it regarding you. Lest us not forget that America is made of Swiss, Germans, Italians, Asians, etc.
Funny too that your favorite videos include some F/A-18 Hornet clips. You deride the U.S., but you sure seem to like those 'Swiss' Hornets that are as American as can be, and came straight from the great state of Missouri, USA.
Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike you americans or the USA! I bet it's a great place to live. I just don't like the mindset like "we have the biggest, we are the best, all the others are stupid" and so on, of some american YouTubers. Every country has it's good and it's bad sides, also the USA.
I like the SF-18 E/F because I worked in the Swiss Air Force as a F/A-18 avionics technician for around one year. Actually there's only one real american F/A-18 in Switzerland, the rest of...
Whatever Swiss spin you want to put on it, go right ahead. The aircraft would never exist without the US. You know it, I know it. Bear in mind that I'm not attacking you or Switzerland in any way. The above is simply fact.
I understand that you may not like the attitude of some Americans. Also understand that Americans do not like the condescending attitude of some Europeans. It works both ways. Leave the condescending out, and we can both talk regularly.
oh sweet sweet sweet. I never get over the sound of any F1 engine..they are just off the planet!....nothing sounds like them. This vid was so interesting! more more more....please!
The V12 was not as fuel efficient so the car had to pit earlier and more often to take on greater fuel weight than the v10 cars. The v12 was heavier than the v10. It was also larger overall which leads to issues with packaging because you can't put ballast or peripheral systems in an ideal place when there is engine taking up the space.
the injectors are in batch fire mode meaning that they fire constantly (with flow control obviously), it builds up slightly then when the intake port opens it is sucked in. road vehicles usually have a sequential fuel injection mode where the injectors do actually get pulsed in time w/ the engine to achive greater fuel economy, but as you get up in the rpm's this effect diminishes and it also doesn't supply enough fuel at high rpm's therefore it switches to batch mode..
19,000rpm 19,000 rotations per minet how many seconds are in a muinet? well 60 so 19,000 / 60 = 316 rotations per second each piston is going up and down 316.6 times per second. a four stroke fires ever 4 cycles, 4 cycles is 2 crankshaft rotations so it lights each hole every other trun so on the 10 that would be 5 fires per turn so it would actually be fireng a hole 5x316.6= 1583.3 times per second.
i think that is half right... that is 19000 rpm of the crankshaft is spinning and 1 un and down motion of a pistion results in 1 complete revolution of the crankshaft.. thus making 1rpm... so if the crank shaft is spinning at 316.6 rps (revs per second) then each piston is going down and up 39.575 times per second in the current V8 or 31.66 times in the old V10s
nooo you dont divide it.... they are connected to the effing crankshaft. all of the pistons go up and down 1 time every time the crankshaft turns anyone who argues with what i said must have no concept of how an engine works.
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160 Decibels, that's louder than a rock concert, a gunshot, or a trumpet right by your head. And 1500 moving parts, I guess they counted every bearing, O-ring and link on the cam chains. I wonder how big the stroke is to get 18K RPM.
I read that bore to stroke ratio in modern F1 engines are around 2.2 to 1. The 2001 Ferrari was listed at 88mm and 41mm. High performance street bikes like a 600cc sportbike are around 1.6 to 1 ratio for comparison.
back then in the 80's they did that. that was known as the turbo era. one thing that BMW did was have this button called the panic button which dumped a huge load of fuel into the engine and gave the car 1400HP
ever notice Renault makes the worst road car, but makes a very good f1 car, WTF, you get your funding from what you sell, god damn it sell good cars
hoseinqadam 2 months ago
if i tweek this bolt and turn that screw 14.3 degrees....i can squeeze out another 300hp from this engine
i4yue 4 months ago
That's fuel folks. I wonder why they wouldn't use direct cylinder injection? Maybe because of the RPM's/detonation? I too would love to see how the valve train works @ 18K R's. I do know that when they test these engines they use telemetry from the last race at whatever track their setting up for. So that engine is "racing" the actual course for which it is being set up. Cool stuff.
ReveretheHood 5 months ago
@ReveretheHood Direct fuel injection is banned by regulation till 2014 when they change to 1.6L V6 Turboenginges. The High revs wouldn't be realy such a big problem for a direct injection system.
shi01 5 months ago
@shi01 Are they for sure moving to turbo 1.6's? I heard that was just a maybe. Unless its recently changed and im not paying attention haha
Navy1348 3 months ago
@Navy1348 Yeah it's for sure since end of june this year. The FIA had also already published the 2014 technical Regulations on there webpage. They will probably tweak it a bit until 2014, but the principals stay.
They first discussed to use Straith-4 Turboengines, but especially Ferrari and Cosworth don't liked this suggesteion, because a Straith-engine would have some drawbacks in a Formulacar.
shi01 3 months ago
What I'd like to know is how the pneumatic valves operate. They must have massive air pressure to force, what is it, 4 valves per cylinder x is it 10 cylinders at friggin 18000 rpm plus, that would be each valve opening and closing 150 times a second, right? I suppose they keep a tight lid on the design of their valves or something, but does anyone have any animations or video of the valve operation on these? I can't find it on youtube.
alihmcm 5 months ago in playlist crazy stuff
@alihmcm air pressure system is normally 180 to 200 BAR.
diamondgeezerfly 4 months ago
Music to my ears am a McLarenf1 fan but this i like :)
Sloch1 7 months ago
i think its water to cool the engine as theres not air flow to cool
freestie 7 months ago
I dont understand how they can operate the engine with its head not in place. How do they achieve the compression required for an engine to run? Pressure controlled room?
eddyemm 9 months ago
beautiful
SaintStyn 9 months ago
The thing that's being sprayed into the intake manifold is air. PERIOD!
Alfreud01 10 months ago
@Alfreud01
Your kidding, right?
turbovanman 9 months ago
@Alfreud01
Your kidding, right?
How the hell do you spray air?
turbovanman 9 months ago
haha those motors have like a 35 mil stroke its so funny
andrewthomasTAS 1 year ago
i love how honda civic lovers compare their engines to this
ronkerjake 1 year ago 6
@ronkerjake Woah bro, Formula technology! I love all the four-door, inline four-cylinder, FWD Formula 1 cars out there.
RomeoReject23 11 months ago
I want one of these in a Fourwheeler.
mikeb1444 1 year ago
someone should lick those glowing pipes
scooterdane 1 year ago
wow-dont try spaying into a sideways throttle bore it spills fuel on the track ask me
nealmeal2000 1 year ago
Too bad they're getting so many restrictions. Hope they go old school soon again.
gnarkillemerica 1 year ago
get the marshmellows
we cook em on the headers !
Murderizer212 1 year ago
Nascar/GM dont want technology!!!!! Its pushrod V8 that GM designed or you wont play, right or wrong????? You dont see OHC, fuel injection, different trannys,etc in Nascar. The F1 engines are going for multiple races, not just 1 race and send it back to the shop for rebuild or scrapped!! Nascar race cars are matchbox designs compared to this stuff!!
JardineRT1 1 year ago
this is not a V8, this is a V10 engine - the sound is unmistakeable :-D
HijenA 1 year ago
@HijenA umm dude? - take a look in the vid? there are only 4 exhaust headers in each side? and well unless your retarded, 4 + 4 = 8 XD
MrLillejeppe 1 year ago
RS-24 engine has 10 cylinders, V shape 72 degrees, and 3 litres of displacement. this is *NOT* an 8 cylinder engine.
HijenA 1 year ago
@HijenA soo there two cylinders without fuel injecton or exhaust .. right. and your just know that is an RS-24? right. doesnt say anywere ? ..
MrLillejeppe 1 year ago
@MrLillejeppe don't know why i can't post videos as comments, but there is a video: Renault F-1 Roadshow from last year - listen to the sound of the engine, and then compare it with this one. they aren't the same, which means this engine is not a V8, but in fact V10. also, you can check the honda engine on dyno, exactly the same sound as this one. sorry about the "idiot" remark.
HijenA 1 year ago
@MrLillejeppe so before you start making accusations who's retarded, start from yourself. idiot.
HijenA 1 year ago
@HijenA besides didnt call you retard. i simply said if you didnt know 4 + 4 was eight you would be retarded.
MrLillejeppe 1 year ago
@MrLillejeppe 2 bits of proof this IS a V10... 1: it was made in 2004, the V10 era of F1 ended at the close of the 2005 season. 2: look at 1:16.. you can clearly see 8 throttle bodies exposed BUT there has to be another 2 covered by the shroud since the engine is longer that that end!
Suprahampton 1 year ago
Translation: (this test seems to be a simulation of a particular Grand Prix (data on computer screen)
engine: RS24 +18000/rpm +800hp 160db
5000 parts (1500 moving)
70 Liters/100Km
15 days to assemble. 6 weeks to build the crank-shaft
syntaxerror9 1 year ago
yep 8 throttle bodies - one per cylinder Wolf 65 try 10 throttle bodies. This is Renaults v10 buddy
ArtieinAus 1 year ago
can some one translate that into TQ. and HP. please
sirlonghair 1 year ago
@sirlonghair If it's on par with the other's, it would have been just north of 850HP and 350 ib-ft.
RomeoReject23 1 year ago
what is being sprayed into the intake ? is that just the fuel ? i'm not an f1 technician or anything.
circa2football 1 year ago
@circa2football yep that is just the fuel. You can see an injector spraying fuel into each intake runner
w0lf65 1 year ago
@w0lf65 I've been looking at this, how are they controlling the revs? Throttle body at each cylinder?
RomeoReject23 1 year ago
@RomeoReject23 yep 8 throttle bodies - one per cylinder
w0lf65 1 year ago
@w0lf65 Wonder what the purpose of that is... Do they want to avoid using a manifold for weight/flow reasons? How do they keep the air filtered?
RomeoReject23 1 year ago
@w0lf65 You mean 10...
didier91 1 year ago
@w0lf65 You mean 10...
didier91 1 year ago
@w0lf65 I would say 10 throttle bodies for this particular engine.
Bitterbal 5 months ago
@RomeoReject23 What about the valve train? I don't think a conventional set up will turn that many RPMs consistantly? Electronic or pneumatic ?
exc019 1 year ago
@exc019 As far as I'm aware, the set up is cam to rocker arm directly, and it's not the most consistent thing, Formula engines are stripped down and rebuilt every race. =P
RomeoReject23 1 year ago
@RomeoReject23 I think that the gearbox is allso present :) the are testing the engine on a virtual race track (dont know which one)
imlovric 1 year ago
@imlovric Yeah, you are completely right. They actually apply a force against the engine to simulate how hard it is to accelerate the car at various speeds.
RomeoReject23 1 year ago
@RomeoReject23 Yeah, but it's an old one now :P i think a v10. they can squeeze the same HP out a v8 now.. wondering how small the engine wil get in the future..
imlovric 1 year ago
@imlovric Word on the grape vine is that turbo sixes will be the new engine choice. Not my cup of tea, I preferred the V10's, although the V8's weren't half bad either. V6 isn't right though, in my books.
RomeoReject23 1 year ago
@RomeoReject23 OMG ok. that's lame :P i can remember the v12 turbo engine :P
imlovric 1 year ago
@imlovric no you can't... .they never races a V-12 turbo in F1... the turbo era were 1.5l in-line fours.
ProfessorIgor 1 year ago
@ProfessorIgor There were turbo sixes as well. Never my cup of tea though, was always more found of the V10s.
RomeoReject23 11 months ago
@circa2football yes, fuel.. those are known as "shower type" injectors and are commonplace on motorcycles now... but will be soon extinct as the DI (dierect injection) method is the best way now.
ProfessorIgor 1 year ago
i envy these dudes :D
what kind of toy is that :D
mocasvaldo 2 years ago
guys if you type the engine name, which is renault rs 24 you will see that this engine is a V10 and you don't need t argue about it
:D
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LokufubiQugasisa 2 years ago
Hey I dont mean to sound dumb or anything, I just know almost nothing about these engines. 2 or 4 cycle? Pretty fast for 4 cycle. Very cool video though
levisalo 2 years ago
4 cycle, and yes VERY fast, about 333 revolutions per second 0.0, and I think are 2.4L v8's now.
whatUsaybob 2 years ago
Ahhhh! The symphony of the V10! You can clearly hear the TC too!
smlbstcbr 2 years ago
How do you hear traction control from just an engine hooked up to a dyno? Need wheels and tire slippage to hear TC kick in my friend!
Countavery 2 years ago
Quite easily. TC in this case works by misfiring one or more cylinders. That's the low grinding sound one can hear.
smlbstcbr 2 years ago
It's V8
MaSaid 2 years ago
No, V10.
smlbstcbr 2 years ago
if its a v10 explain why there are 4 exhaust exits per side and 8 throttle plates...is there some invisible stuff im not seeing? look at the video again
DroopysGarage 2 years ago
Look at 0:22, you can count five injectors at each side. And BTW, it is a Monza simulation. The first two cilinders are a bit of hidden because of lightning.
smlbstcbr 2 years ago
only v10s are able to race in f1
watchforfinger 2 years ago
what the.... the headers is heated like a charcoal
ueki905 2 years ago
They're hot enough to glow red. That's normal for race engines.
TestECull 2 years ago
so orgasmic
julianbusty 2 years ago
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Is that water?
lusomanada 2 years ago
being sprayed ? no it fuel
its normally all covered up by a manifold which plums to the vents above the drivers head
Eagz 2 years ago 6
Fuel!
superfast30 2 years ago
those are fuel injectors spraying fuel into the combustion chamber
skater15153 2 years ago
feul my friend
lane83180 2 years ago
It's always interesting how no american posts a comment on a F1 video, especially on those about engines. Just because they aren't able to build a real racing engine like this... :P
DangerousAernscht 2 years ago
Youre right, Americans just lack the technical expertise to build a good F1 engine.
By the way how is your space shuttle program doing there in Switzerland?
A well known company in Switzerland recently bought an American biotech company.............................because the American biotech company had one of the best research staff and promising drug pipelines on the planet, guess the Swiss werent smart enough to compete!
You effeminate smug Euro make me laugh!
espada9 2 years ago
I think a space shuttle program is not depending on the technical expertise of a country, at least not in your case. You just have have, uhm... Actually HAD the money...
Besides that, there is a lot of parts on your shuttles, satellites and even mars vehicles which comes from switzerland. The solar panels or the drive motors of your mars vehicles for example.
You know as good as I do that our biotech and pharmaceutical company are leading. Btw: How is your particle accelerator doing?
DangerousAernscht 2 years ago
Actually the USA has won over 50% the Nobel Prize in Physics, Medicine, Chemistry and Economics.
We also have over 50% of the top rated universities and as far as biotech companies go, 10 of the top 20 are right here in the USA.
Feel free to look it up fruitcake.
espada9 2 years ago
Oh now you come with Numbers, who'd have thought? That's the thing you americans always do, we have the biggest, the greatest, the most and so on...
Take a look at your country how it is NOW!
Your infrastructure is totally obsolete, your economy is sick, your government has tons of depts, your cars are underdeveloped, the system of justice is one of the most stupid, you are producing twice (!!!) the garbage as the second rated country and so on...
Just inist on your numbers...
DangerousAernscht 2 years ago
Well, we sure as hell can't comment about any Swiss racing engines, can we?
Your statements are absurd, and you're an embarrassment to your country, son.
veedub87 2 years ago
Well... How 'bout the Vampire kart racing engines? Or the Biland SA 250, the worlds most successful four stroke kart racing engine. And there's also the BMW P86/9 2.4 V8, the F1 racing engine of Sauber BMW which was developed with the aid of swiss engineers.
Track races (except Karting) are forbidden in Switzerland, maybe that's why it isn't that lucrative to build an own racing engine.
You should take a look onto your own people before calling me an embarrassment I think.
DangerousAernscht 2 years ago
Kart engines? That's a hell of a stretch here, kid. There may be some great Swiss karting engines, but this is an F1 posting.
It's BMW Sauber, by the way. Not Sauber BMW. If you're going to claim BMW engines are built with 'the aid of Swiss engineers', you're going to have to claim many other nationalities too. Are you forgetting that Intel is a title and team integrated technology sponsor? Intel, based in California.
veedub87 2 years ago
As for racing being banned in Switzerland, that was nothing brought up originally, was it? By your logic, why would an American company even want to build an F1 powerplant anyway? F1 is not very popular in the States, and it wouldn't bring many American dollars to the table. Maybe that's why it isn't lucrative to build our own racing engine. Sounds similar to your argument as to why there is no Swiss F1 engine.
You're bringing some tiny guns to this debate.
veedub87 2 years ago
Uhm, you are confounding things a bit I think.
First of all, you don't even know why this debate started. It was because of an american who said that your V8's are better than thin engine. Concerning european engines he also used some words I don't want to repeat...
"aircraft would never exist without the US. You know it, I know it." Did I say something different? I don't think so. I said it's a great plane and it was modified and assembled in Switzerland.
DangerousAernscht 2 years ago
"Leave the condescending out, and we can both talk regularly. " Oh, we do! Did I wrote anything condescending concerning the USA or its citizen in the discussion with you? With due respect, I think you are the one who talks condescending. Calling someone kid or son is one way of doing this you know?
It's BMW Sauber, thanks for the correction but this is beside the point I think. As you sure know, this was just one example to give you an Idea how switzerland is involved in development of...
DangerousAernscht 2 years ago
...racing engines. For you I can substantiate the meaning of the aid of swiss engineers. The chief designer and the chief mechanician oft he team are from switzerland. Karting engines are not much less advanced than an F1 engine, at the moment they reached a power density of 340 hp/L. But I should stop talking about Kart engines because: „Kart engines? That's a hell of a stretch here, kid. Yes, of course, but no condescending attitude right?
But this is an F1 posting as you said, so...
DangerousAernscht 2 years ago
...back to the topic: The body, by the way, of the BMW Sauber F1.09 was made in switzerland because we have the most advanced wind channel around here.
„As for racing being banned in Switzerland, that was nothing brought up originally, was it? No, it wasnt, just as many other things in our comments I think. So you really dont have to emphasize this to make my guns looking tiny.
DangerousAernscht 2 years ago
I've been closely following Formula One for 30 years - since the days of James Hunt. Respectfully, I don't need any lessons on it. Thanks. Despite what you think, karting engines are MONUMENTALLY less advanced than a Formula One engine. MONUMENTALLY.
I've nothing against anything Swiss. I only take issue with your condescension regarding America. Same as you take issue with it regarding you. Lest us not forget that America is made of Swiss, Germans, Italians, Asians, etc.
veedub87 2 years ago
Funny too that your favorite videos include some F/A-18 Hornet clips. You deride the U.S., but you sure seem to like those 'Swiss' Hornets that are as American as can be, and came straight from the great state of Missouri, USA.
veedub87 2 years ago
Hi
Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike you americans or the USA! I bet it's a great place to live. I just don't like the mindset like "we have the biggest, we are the best, all the others are stupid" and so on, of some american YouTubers. Every country has it's good and it's bad sides, also the USA.
I like the SF-18 E/F because I worked in the Swiss Air Force as a F/A-18 avionics technician for around one year. Actually there's only one real american F/A-18 in Switzerland, the rest of...
DangerousAernscht 2 years ago
...SF-18 C/D of course!
DangerousAernscht 2 years ago
...them was modified and assembled in Switzerland, by RUAG. It's still a really great plane.
DangerousAernscht 2 years ago
Whatever Swiss spin you want to put on it, go right ahead. The aircraft would never exist without the US. You know it, I know it. Bear in mind that I'm not attacking you or Switzerland in any way. The above is simply fact.
I understand that you may not like the attitude of some Americans. Also understand that Americans do not like the condescending attitude of some Europeans. It works both ways. Leave the condescending out, and we can both talk regularly.
veedub87 2 years ago
YES!!!
Kendratz 2 years ago
The most beautiful sound in the world... OMG i love hear it *-*
LordSky1023 2 years ago
be quiet you dumb engine nerd.
e521soediv 2 years ago
oh sweet sweet sweet. I never get over the sound of any F1 engine..they are just off the planet!....nothing sounds like them. This vid was so interesting! more more more....please!
kermit30au 2 years ago
I bet most people dont even know what they are looking at...
its teh hemholtzzz
blackXSpr 2 years ago
I seriously wanna own that engine I would pay just about anything for it if I had the money to do it
JBL9996666 2 years ago
I wanna own that engine!!!!!!!!
JBL9996666 2 years ago
Haha, good luck. Even if you did, you wouldn't want it for long. They require rebuilds after very few hours and are insanely difficult to maintain.
drainfreaksdotnet 2 years ago 2
could listen to that all day great sound
ferrariman195 2 years ago 2
can i buy one of those toys.... i love this sound...damn
zemanfio 2 years ago
ART
this is what you can see in this video art
sc882tt 2 years ago 2
i would love to find out wat bearings they use in the bottom halves in them motors
jeffb8074 2 years ago
this a v10 out of Alonso's legendary Renault, V10 are the best F1 Engines V8 SUCKS
adicolour75 2 years ago 2
F1 V12's are the best .. V10's are great tho :)
RefuseNL 2 years ago
V10's haven't been used since 2004. Now they are V8's.
And I think nowadays engines can't be topped by old engines.
Man! 800 bhp for 2,4 lts! That's HUGE!!
Over 330 bhp per liter of displacement!!!
guidoga 2 years ago
V10s havn't been used since 2005 they started in 2006
DoMw94 2 years ago
The V12 was not as fuel efficient so the car had to pit earlier and more often to take on greater fuel weight than the v10 cars. The v12 was heavier than the v10. It was also larger overall which leads to issues with packaging because you can't put ballast or peripheral systems in an ideal place when there is engine taking up the space.
racrdave 2 years ago
I think I'm gonna put the sound from these vids on my iPod.
BombFactory39 2 years ago
F1 sucks now that they use smaller slower engines.
christmanpunch 3 years ago
At least it isn't NASCAR!
oisiaa 2 years ago 11
87 octane gasoline
no1saphead 3 years ago
No, not quite
borde049 3 years ago
who uses the best technology f1 or the aerospace industry
iiredeye 3 years ago
I'd have to go with F1
shimric20 3 years ago 2
The mist on top of the engine. Is that the fuel?
zerkizer 3 years ago
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yes its fuel going into the carburateur
scruffer 3 years ago
its fuel going from the fuel injectors, into the intake. there is no carb.
jdsanchez473 3 years ago 11
I thought in a 4 stroke the fuel was mixed in with the air right before the 2nd stroke...
In F1 car do they throw the fuel in during the intake phase
DonE1899 3 years ago
the injectors are in batch fire mode meaning that they fire constantly (with flow control obviously), it builds up slightly then when the intake port opens it is sucked in. road vehicles usually have a sequential fuel injection mode where the injectors do actually get pulsed in time w/ the engine to achive greater fuel economy, but as you get up in the rpm's this effect diminishes and it also doesn't supply enough fuel at high rpm's therefore it switches to batch mode..
jdsanchez473 3 years ago
thnx
DonE1899 3 years ago
Never knew that. Thanks for the explanation
GT40Bill 2 years ago
nope, i'm wrong. champ cars burn methanol, f1 cars burn high octane gasoline, plus whatever additives the pussies at fia might still allow.
KI11YOU 3 years ago
youtube fucked up again. this is a reply to enginemasterbuilder a couple pages back.
KI11YOU 3 years ago
Can a black african american become an F1 engineer?
tkktkt 3 years ago
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only on the moon.
o0WestCoastin0o 3 years ago
Duh! Why the fuck you ask that stupid question?
darthisaiah 3 years ago
Absolutely he can! :D
rml695 3 years ago
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Your a racist Fuck...
Oh and a Black African American can be president dumb fuck
Obama 08
DonE1899 3 years ago
This may sound dumb, but do f1 engines not cylinder heads?
V1carious227 3 years ago
que pasada¡¡
cjlambo14 3 years ago
how much is one of those cars
ytrsyt 3 years ago
Watch: /watch?v=I0O7gFycPho from 4:25-5:10 for the answer
...u'll be suprised
N1TR0u5Ox1d3 3 years ago
no its actualy almost 40 times a second.. do the math- 19000/8=2375 2375/60= 39.58 seconds :)
bquamb 3 years ago
well aren't you just as wrong as he is :P
19,000rpm 19,000 rotations per minet how many seconds are in a muinet? well 60 so 19,000 / 60 = 316 rotations per second each piston is going up and down 316.6 times per second. a four stroke fires ever 4 cycles, 4 cycles is 2 crankshaft rotations so it lights each hole every other trun so on the 10 that would be 5 fires per turn so it would actually be fireng a hole 5x316.6= 1583.3 times per second.
aaron9696024 3 years ago 2
i think that is half right... that is 19000 rpm of the crankshaft is spinning and 1 un and down motion of a pistion results in 1 complete revolution of the crankshaft.. thus making 1rpm... so if the crank shaft is spinning at 316.6 rps (revs per second) then each piston is going down and up 39.575 times per second in the current V8 or 31.66 times in the old V10s
soarer205 3 years ago
nooo you dont divide it.... they are connected to the effing crankshaft. all of the pistons go up and down 1 time every time the crankshaft turns anyone who argues with what i said must have no concept of how an engine works.
aaron9696024 3 years ago 2
ahh shit sorry my mistake wasnt thinking right
soarer205 3 years ago
So what about a regular car with engine of 8000 rpm? How many rps is that?
Kurac80 3 years ago
8,000 / 60 = 133rps
aaron9696024 3 years ago
Did u know at 19000 RPM the pistons r moving 300 time a second.
steyates08 3 years ago
ya and the bielle take more than 9ton!!!!
crgblackstar 3 years ago
hey you were right bquamb is a dummy :P
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Genauigkeit 3 years ago
160 Decibels, that's louder than a rock concert, a gunshot, or a trumpet right by your head. And 1500 moving parts, I guess they counted every bearing, O-ring and link on the cam chains. I wonder how big the stroke is to get 18K RPM.
mikeb1444 3 years ago 2
probly wouldnt be too big i assume
danieljm1234 3 years ago
I read that bore to stroke ratio in modern F1 engines are around 2.2 to 1. The 2001 Ferrari was listed at 88mm and 41mm. High performance street bikes like a 600cc sportbike are around 1.6 to 1 ratio for comparison.
schizm1098 3 years ago
Stroke is very small. Abt 10mm if i recall correctly. Piston head is large to make up the cylinder volume ie 300cc per piston for a V10.
jbdoggy 3 years ago
Where can I find a cutaway of the cylinder heads? I'd like to see more.
mikeb1444 3 years ago
200 bar holy shit thats insane
danieljm1234 3 years ago
it's quite much pressure in those fuel pistols, the max pressure is limited by FIA to 200bar :)
maku1989 3 years ago
how does the engine go then? there would be no compression
danieljm1234 3 years ago
it's spraying into the engine, what you're seeing there is the intake
350RSCamaro 3 years ago
the injectors are "floating" above each throttle body, the immense amount of air being sucked into the cylinders sucks the vaporized fuel in as well.
Minato2003 3 years ago
whats that stuff its spraying on top, it cant be fuel can it?
water to cool it down maybe?
danieljm1234 3 years ago
nope, its fuel
incubus427 3 years ago
yep, definately fuel, Spraying out of the injectors
w0lf65 3 years ago
more like 2009 mazda 3 engine test......god get it right. XD
buntcakemadness 3 years ago
i miss the whine of the v-12's when they would wind up to speed!
i never did like the v-10 sound and ALL f1 teams seemed to have had more problems with the v-10's even though their use was short.
the v-8's of today sound like they are going to self destruct but rarely do!
i wouldnt be surprised if it went down to 4 cylinders naturally aspirated in the future! :D
bergzyboy 3 years ago
That sound is purely and simply the most amazing thing ever to be heard!
GFVagent007 4 years ago 6
wow look at the exhaust pipes
erzhik14 4 years ago
greatest noise on earth
lol
hoofus27 4 years ago 17
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I could not agree more!
tokdl 4 years ago
i agree, they need to put 2.0 v8's into production
COOLoutSON 4 years ago
back then in the 80's they did that. that was known as the turbo era. one thing that BMW did was have this button called the panic button which dumped a huge load of fuel into the engine and gave the car 1400HP
SRQshark 4 years ago
haha
i wish i had that on my car
erzhik14 4 years ago
SRO you cant just "dump fuel into the engine" it doesnt work like that my friend. That video looks like a raw na power to me.
lazzer408 3 years ago
got to have more air to make the combustion work as well. otherwise it will just bog.
buntcakemadness 3 years ago
16:1 air to fuel ratio is about normal i think
danieljm1234 3 years ago
16:1 is really lean. 14.7:1 is stoich and thats where you get your best mileage. You get the most power out of an engine at 11.5:1 to 12:1.
camarobutcher 3 years ago
that's a safe ratio, not the best for power. It would be the best for reliable power.
Minato2003 3 years ago
14.71 is normal and 13 is the race zone for air to fuel
enginemasterbuilder 3 years ago
for gasoline. f1 cars burn methanol which burns best at around 8:1.
KI11YOU 3 years ago
wooooooooooo!!
pRecept619 4 years ago
some F1s were actually turbocharged but they banned them because cars were getting so powerful that is was too dangerous for drivers and spectators.
tainterlakeisgreen 4 years ago
is that really the reason? similar to what they did with class b rally cars
mrnoobJI 4 years ago