1. What is Mutualism? (Privilege and Authority)

[MrR3v0lut10narY]

this is BULL workers cant organize without a government to implement it which is FORCE how else could they? if they wanna organize they can go right ahead right now but they dont because theyre lazy as heck or they just want capitalism which WORKS!

[InvincibleNumanist]

@MrR3v0lut10narY

TRUE STORY!!!!!

CAPITALISM = FREEDOM!

[MrR3v0lut10narY]

@InvincibleNumanist i am right and u know it

[MrR3v0lut10narY]

@InvincibleNumanist I win and i proved ur philosophy is based on bullcrap and all you do is pull leftist crap out of your ass

[InvincibleNumanist]

@MrR3v0lut10narY

this is also true

[MrR3v0lut10narY]

@InvincibleNumanist Again, you are a failure. You waste your time with this phony "mutualist" crap when in reality your politics is based on FORCE I pity u BITCH

[InvincibleNumanist]

@MrR3v0lut10narY

youre right!

[MrR3v0lut10narY]

@InvincibleNumanist is this what you do in all debate? act like a bitch and run away from the facts? mutualism is TOTAL BUNK and you're a little faggot with no fucking life

[InvincibleNumanist]

@MrR3v0lut10narY

Im not debating you. Im agreeing with you. Youve proven me wrong with irrefutable facts. Thankyou for this.

[MrR3v0lut10narY]

@InvincibleNumanist OF COURSE you still keep doing it and I see by a fellow's vid response that you lost already and he pwned u HARD

[InvincibleNumanist]

@MrR3v0lut10narY

You're totally correct. He didnt misunderstand the principle of equal liberty at all. He demolished it with facts.

True again.

You and I should go for a coffee one day.

[T662W379C]

Laissez-faire Socialism!

[Jermanian88]

Hey Bro your channy is all fucked up and I cant post offensive shit until you fix it

[InvincibleNumanist]

@Jermanian88

Click "feed", then click "comments" and to th right youll see a box to post them

[spawk1993]

lol

[Archiveofobscurity]

You sound most awfully nasal on this. What happened to the East Midland cheeky chap we all came to love. Has he be gentrified?

OH NEWMUUUUUUUUUUUUUN! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH! =(

[fringeelements]

"And it has remained with the race to the present time"

Species. Some races didn't have a conception of private property beyond personal possessions until europeans showed up: Australian Aborigines, most of South America aside from mesoamerica and few scattered agriculturalists in N. America, and most of SS Africa during the European invasion. Private property arose with agriculture, and not all races had the same degree of agriculture.

[InvincibleNumanist]

@fringeelements

Perhaps he was referring to the caucasian race then.

[gunsandbullhorns]

@InvincibleNumanist

@fringeelements

Forgive me if I'm out of my league here, but back in 1927—when this was written—, the term "race" had looser connotations. It was not always used as a bio-/anthropological classification. I've seen it used as a synonym for group, tribe, nation, and even creed. I'm pretty sure the "race" Swartz is referring to is that broad group of men who "became able to accumulate a surplus". That's how I read it, anyway.

[TheCeltiberian]

@fringeelements Kill yourself, you nitpicking little twat. Shouldn't you be writing an article for AmRen or some shit?

[fringeelements]

Oh this is funny. I'm pointing out that common views pertaining to the evolution of property norms are only true for certain races. I would say eurocentric, but more like eurasiacentric, and that about half the world didn't develop very robust private property norms until the europeans invaded. That's nitpicking? Africa, 90% of the Americas, Austrialia-Oceania & most of central asia - half the world basically - is nitpciking? If you think I'm wrong that's one thing, but it's hardly nitpicking.

[fringeelements]

@fringeelements On another note, you confirm the stereotype of idiot egalitarians knowing nothing about the behaviors, history and ways of other races except a few (probably wrong) anecdotes about certain "progressive" behaviors among this or that tribe you heard at some dipshit-party rally.

AmRen's a great site. I'd write for it if they wanted.

[TheCeltiberian]

@fringeelements When in doubt, accuse the person who detests you of being a mindless "egalitarian." (Only an imbecile could possibly find your view inaccurate and your personality utterly annoying, after all..) Seriously, how much "race realist" bullshit are you going to spam every video with? You and your butt buddies have already made dozens of videos on the topic, so give it a fucking rest already. "There's an IQ disparity between the races! ZOMG! I'm better than you!"

[fringeelements]

Mutualism to me is... painful stinging early buttsecks.

[InvincibleNumanist]

@fringeelements

truly the best kind.

[fringeailments]

@InvincibleNumanist indeed.

[Freya5000]

tariffs, patents and copyrights...150 years and we are still paying 10% 'goodwill' for the privilage of sharing an idea that someone 'sparked' up...regarding industrialization since the turn of the century, and where does that money go? it is difficult, ..to be that anarcho in using a certain element of force...and that extension of privilage.

Copyrights & music has also become interesting in recent years, freedom to inherit 'goodwill' and privilage and ownership..rent 10% profit of enterprise.

[StatelessLiberty]

I once had a short debate with someone on the Mises forums who claimed that mutualism is a form of communism.

[InvincibleNumanist]

@StatelessLiberty

To be fair a lot of AnComs like to think it is. Or they say "Hey man, mutualism seems pretty cool. Like a transitionary stage towards AnComism. I'm totally down with that shit!"

[paradoarify]

@TheElMoIsEviL Random question: Are you an individualist?

[InvincibleNumanist]

@paradoarify

Elmo and I are both Mutualists. Although I think we both downplay Proudhon a little because his ideas were ever changing. It really is useless to call yourself a "Proudhonist" because there really is no solid thing that can be called his philosophy.

Thats what I like about Proudhon, you can read him in order and go with him on an intellectual journey.

[evilsceptic]

@TheElMoIsEviL I've never even heard RP talk about IP, it's not exactly a sexy subject - even by his standards.

[Knr911]

@TheElMoIsEviL I just realized I missed ur 2 last comments 4 some reason. YT bugs lately, comments disappear So I've beat a dead horse sorry :). Yes we agree then if U criticize RP's economics. 1) Gold standard = crazy & retarded 2) Hyper-capitalism = no-no 3) "Stop the wars" > he can't 4)"End the Fed" & other hip things > he can't, b/c he has 2 deal w/ congress, lobbies & corporations. And yeah, his views on abortion r his own & the "racist letters" is a retarded smear campaign.

[Knr911]

@TheElMoIsEviL The 16 trillion are internal US economic affairs. I understand you being concerned. I don't think Ron Paul is racist at all. Where did you get that idea? And he's the only one to firmly stand against the war. That's not the point.

First and foremost, he's a politican, so case dismissed.

Now if one wants to look deeper, there's a reason why people don't take him seriously and it's not because the establishment is afraid of him.

[Knr911]

@Knr911 (...cont.) I can't develop in 500-character format.

But basically Ron Paul in office wouldn't do squat. He just can't. His simplicity amazes me sometimes, I wonder to what degree does he believe what he says he would do.

"As for favoriting Ron Paul videos well that's mostly because I'm not indoctrinated."

Huh? You're beginning to scare me, you sound like an average conspiracy theorist.

Look, it's no secret (well, not really) that wars are the product of neocon think tanks.

[Knr911]

@Knr911 (...cont) We can name the guys responsible.They want to control the region for its resources, so they destabilize the region, contracts, oil, yaddiyaddi ya.Ron Paul is not committed to these think tanks, don't owe them anything and receive donations from grass roots. Fine. He still can't do squat against the establishment. Even as president. Worse, Corporations would DREAM of Ron Paul becoming president. /

[evilsceptic]

@Knr911 Why would corporations love a Paul presidency? Corporations love regulations, taxes and bailouts.

[Knr911]

@evilsceptic LOL yes indeed. And gold. Massive amounts of Gold.

This was poorly worded indeed thanks for rectifying with a sarcasm.

[evilsceptic]

@Knr911 I wasn't being sarcastic. High taxes generally fall on smaller companies due to the ability of large corporations to use well trained accountants to get through loop holes, so it's basically an artificial cost on their smaller, more efficient competition. Similar story with regulation. Regulation acts as both a barrier to entry and an economy of scale, benefiting large, multinational corporations at the expense of their, you guessed it, smaller, more efficient competition.

[Knr911]

@evilsceptic All in all, a big corporation would still prefer a totally unregulated capitalism. That would cut the costs of creating shell corps, moving capital in fiscal havens, investing in R&D to find ways to avoid taxes. Big corps would be very pleased without minimum wage, they would have the right to treat employees like chinese kids. When Capitalism becomes stalinism, really, Orwell was so right.

I'm talking big firms, "corporations" as in "corporatism" is another issue.

[evilsceptic]

@Knr911 Unregulated capitalism is a misnomer. Capitalism is built upon state intervention in the economy. Capitalism is a statist system. If the market were free massive corporations would actually have to compete with each other, both for consumers and for labour.

Do you really think that the ruling class is worse off because of the power of the state? There is a reason they are called the ruling class. The state redistributes wealth from the poor to the rich, not the other way round.

[Knr911]

@evilsceptic "Unregulated capitalism is a misnomer. Capitalism is built upon state intervention in the economy. Capitalism is a statist system"

>>> That's what I repeat ad nauseam to US right-wing libertarians over and over again! They never get it Capitalism is statist! There is no capitalism without state! They are completely oblivious to this fact! I just said this exact sentence you just said, almost word for word, yesterday on a Ron Paul video! I subbed you. If you don't mind.

[Knr911]

@Knr911 So to rephrase my sentence "Still, a big corporation would prefer no regulations at all".

[Knr911]

@evilsceptic And to anticipate your question, I didn't said "big corps would be better off without state" but "without regulations - by "regulations" here, I mean: rights - protected by rule of law (ergo pure capitalism as defined by Ayn Rand) - of the employees (like minimum wage) to protect capitalism from violent revolt. Capitalism cannot sustain without these.

On the other side you have when the state borrows money from banks at taxpayer's expense, from the poor to the rich.

[Knr911]

@Knr911 And as capital stacks into the hands of a tiny minority, supply decreases and demand increases, promiscuity and competition rise among workers. And that's how big corporations overpower the state, thus becoming the state (I simplify), allowing for said "regulations" to shrink. That was pretty much my point. Now I stop spamming Numanist's page lol.

[PanzerDivisionBOM]

@Knr911

Where are you coming from on your economic arguments? How can a corporation "overpower" the state, when by definition it is dependent upon the state for special privileges? And minimum wages and regulations don't really do what you seem to think that they do, as has already been explicated at length.

[InvincibleNumanist]

@PanzerDivisionBOM

Corporations tried to overthrow Roosevelt if I remember correctly, not all of them were content with his regulations, although plenty were.

[Knr911]

@PanzerDivisionBOM I explained in a previous comment that I was using "big corporation" as a generic term to designate private enterprises, not "corporation" as in "corporatism". As for "regulations" I noticed this term apparently has a different meaning in english than in french (I'm french). "Regulations" here indicate what we call the "code du travail" ("labour code") listing all the fiscal and legal rights and duties of any employer and employees. For example minimum wage.

[Knr911]

@Knr911 So it's obvious how come a private enterprise can overpower the state. When it becomes enormous and tentacular, like in the case of a monopoly. It can fund politicians, corrupt them, bribe them, pressure the government, threaten it of moving capital, etc.

[Knr911]

@Knr911 "Enterprise" = "company" fuck me

[InvincibleNumanist]

@Knr911

Ah in which case what Panzer means is, it doesnt overthrow the state, it literally becomes the state. I dont think youre disagreeing with eachother in substance.

[Knr911]

@InvincibleNumanist Yes exactly, thats precisely what I said in a previous comment:

"And that's how big corporations overpower the state, thus becoming the state (I simplify)"

BTW off topic, Proudhon's great, as for french anarchist classics I don't know if you have read "la grève des électeurs" ("voters strike") by Octave Mirbeau. It's a short newspaper article (2-3 pages) from 1888. If you haven't, Google it, it's on Scribd in english if you have 5 minutes. It's juicy.

[PanzerDivisionBOM]

@Knr911

That's not overpowering or overthrowing the state (turns of phrase which seem to suggest the use of military power), nor is it substituting itself for the state (taking power away from the state to give to itself), and I would personally argue that it's not even subverting the functioning of the state anymore than is any regular voter when she casts her vote.

When government involves itself in business, it becomes the business of businessmen to involve themselves in -

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[PanzerDivisionBOM]

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- government, and those who will not or cannot are systematically outcompeted. The end result is completely predictable á priori.

Regulatory capture is one of those rare instances on which Rothbard and Chomsky were in complete agreement. I think that should suggest something to us.

And again, minimum wage laws don't do what you say they do, at least not in the long run. It doesn't raise wages, it just makes it illegal for people who can't earn high wages to work.

[evilsceptic]

Bolshevik propaganda!

[Knr911]

@TheElMoIsEviL I think he's "of the Status Quo" out of pragmatism. As an anarchist I surely share many views with you that I don't share with him but there might be others the other way around. For example I saw you favoriting Ron Paul videos, I don't know if you endorse him but I don't get how anyone with a solid education can take him seriously. I don't place "get rid of the status quo" as the pinnacle of my values, o'r "abolish the state at all costs" above everything. cont.

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[Knr911]

@Knr911. (.. cont.) Look. I've seen kids thanking Landon because they were rabid neo-con muslimophobic racists and they became more open-minded and liberal thanks ot him. If this make people go in the right direction it's a win So I wouldn't say he's a douchebag, and I still wouldn't say he's a pseudointellectual. Yes,state-sanctioned knowledge has its limits but there are also very good things in state-sanctioned knowledge

[juliaisafilmbuff123]

Shit, those numbers are starling.

[Knr911]

Great reading BTW, thanks for this. I never heard of Clarence Lee Swartz. The passage about french revolution is accurate and inspiring - it would be even more inspiring in this perspective analyzing the growth of monopoly to cite the massacre in Vendée, a politically incorrect key moment of the passing of power from king to the people.

Capitalists usually don't mention the crazy pile of slaughtered bodies their system is build upon. They just point fingers in the other way, towards bolsheviks.

[DerrEinzige]

I've been meaning to buy this book as well, however it's 20 bucks which is a little steep in my opinion for a book. Nevertheless I presume it's worth it.

[DerrEinzige]

Outstanding, anymore from this man?

[Knr911]

@TheElMoIsEviL Err... Elmo...Yes YouTube is filled with narcissistic pseudointellectuals, it's even flooded with it.... But DlandonCole? You can disagree with him, call him a shill, a douchebag, a boring liberal, a PC whatever, but he's not a pseudointellectual idiot....

[Knr911]

Speaking of mutualism, any news of BrainPolice?

[InvincibleNumanist]

@Knr911

hes alive. i talk to him on facebook fairly frequently.

[Knr911]

@InvincibleNumanist Cool. To be honest I was a little worried for him when he opened his AFE channel, I was like, will he pass his lfe running after that guy on YT? I don't know much about the drama beforehand but FE was such an asshole on this move. All these vids gones... I don't understand how he got away with it?

[RickyMcGinnis]

I've been wanting to look into this type of thing lately. I had never really questioned the concept of a state until recently. Great upload.

[InvincibleNumanist]

@RickyMcGinnis

Your video on benefits of workplace democracy was pretty good.

But for even more systematic defences of it, I suggest you check out Organisation Theory by Kevin Carson. You can get it for free on pdf.

[RickyMcGinnis]

@InvincibleNumanist Thanks for the suggestion, I'll be sure to check that out. 

[RickyMcGinnis]

@InvincibleNumanist Finally got around to reading that pdf. That was some mind blowing shit. I'm going to have to look more into that sort of thing.

[juliaisafilmbuff123]

Thanks for this.

[SkidRowRadio]

@TheElMoIsEviL what passes for intellectual on here boggles my mind

[InvincibleNumanist]

@TheElMoIsEviL

plus theres plenty of heated arguments and general lulz. its a great community. i love it there.

[InvincibleNumanist]

1 person loves exploitation and monopoly.

[AngryPunkPixie]

@InvincibleNumanist *thinking man pose* I wonder who that could be.........

[Tsicar]

@InvincibleNumanist I love you — a lot! But why you gotta use such clichéd terminology like 'exploitation'?

[Tasmosunt]

@Tsicar Terminologies are supposed to be cliched, otherwise they wouldn't be of any use.

[SkidRowRadio]

nice one for uploading this.. now i can understand something about that weird facebook group that i never look at that you and elmo keep posting in. lol