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interesting lady, perhaps she could spend a little time looking into the Pharmakeia Latin translate = "witchcraft" or "sorcery" aka the Pharmaceutical industry as she appeared to be struggling with the medication 'messing with her system' as she put it. The corporate interests or love of money really don't lead to wisdom or knowledge that is beneficial to us. The move away from natural food production also being a part of the insipid creeping 'evil empire' of corporate agenda
I must say that woman is probably the first Christian I've seen who has told us where Harry Potter actually stands for us, which is in the continuous battle between good and evil, with good always winning :) and Harry being on the good side. It's really just another way on expressing love <3 which is the best gift we probably have. So I take my hat off to the Professor, well done!
There is nothing wrong with Paganism, it was around before Christianity, and it's about time someone finally spoke intelligently about the situation with the harry potter series, it's just a book, period. As is constantly stated, if you don't like it, stay away from it, but before you criticize it, actually do research on it, and understand it. As i recall, "Judge not lest ye be judged"- remember you will reap what you sow.
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@assym2006 how do you honestly expect anyone to read your statements and not laugh. When trying to make a point, you might want to spell words correctly. Like faires and organized. You just made yourself look more incompetent than before, something I didn't think was possible.
@karasarahbcgee you have no right to say that. not believing in something does not make someone scared. all it makes them is their own person. think about that the next time you judge someone who says that they dont believe in god and try to put your self in their position. my friend is an athiest (sorry if i spelled that wrong) because she says that her parents tried to force religion on her and that everytime something bad happened and she prayed to god, her life only got worse. i believe in
@karasarahbcgee god as well as magic. i use both in my writings along with greek and japanese mythology along with other supernatural entities. religion is meant to give people faith and something to believe in by personifying (again sorry) the creator who none of us have actually met before. that doesnt stop us from balieving. essentially (sorry) religion is to give hope to the hopeless or faith to those who have none. it is meant to be a guiding light with a promise of something after death
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This woman's vapid, disjointed sophistry is one of only a handful of things that qualify as "anti-knowledge." The first half is her ineptly dancing around the issue of defining evil by attacking academics dismissive attitude toward superstitious values (because they're antiquated & arbitrary). Then she just flatly states the plot of every book punctuated very occasionally with meaningless theological interjections. It follows no organizing principle or logical pattern.
Good can exist without evil, but evil cannot exist without good. Can't wait for eternity after the millenium Kingdom =); and satan, that old dragon is cast into the lake of fire the second death.
@WTFilm brilliant retort. well spoken, well versed and so thought out. Tell me what grade did you drop out of school? Your ignorance is overwhelming. Your insight lacking. Knowledge is power, as is intelligence. You gift of discourse is rather, small. This woman is brilliant, you are just too narrow minded and uneducated to be able to see it.
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figures...once something becomes widely popular (harry potter books) christians proclaim it to be satan and just plain evil...lol videogames become popular= they cause people to commit acts of violence, types of music becomes popular= it becomes devil music...apparenlty anything new and popular to be enjoyed is the gateway to hell WTF!!!
harry potter = brainwashing american kids....do u ever see a popular kids book that promotes good or peace..nope not really and def never on harry potters level that derty witch id break that pussies wand and clap the shit out of him brooklyn
Whats up with all the thumbs down for anyone saying Harry Potter's not some satanic book? Trolls?
Harry Potters a great kids book. Its a great action, fantasy story and it got a lot of kids into reading in the late 90's and early 2000's who otherwise might not have picked up any books.
Its only big underline moral seems to be about the power of friendship, love and family. What the hell is wrong with that?? o.o
@SilentFishHeads What's wrong with it is they make themselves Gods. Trusting in their own power, their own united abilities. Thats what is wrong. The sudden interest in the cult is what is so troubling in young children.
Sometimes it is better to not read at all then to read something harmful. Only a fool would be happy their son read a erotic novel because its a book. So I enjoyed the one harry potter, and twilight book. Does not mean its good or should be read by the young.
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@Method12321 what are you talking about? What is wrong with trusting in our own power and in our united abilities? How the hell do you think we advanced past the stone age? Wtf do you think CIVILIZATION is?? United in power for the common good. Synergy.. SYNCHRONIZED ENERGY. We're making ourselves god everyday. Its called cloning, designing babies, making medicine, DEFYING NATURE. Last time religion interfered, it was called the dark ages, crusades, spanish inquestion, the list goes on.
@DeathlyDavid The "Stone age" as you call it is actually more advanced then us in certain areas. We can't with technology duplicate some of their feats. Fun fact: their larger cities had indoor plumbing. Figure that one out. Religion led the way to enlightenment through the Protestants and in the middle east with Islam in their golden age during Europe's dark times. The Mongolian empire brought eastern ideas to Europe. Shame on you for skipping your history.
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@Method12321 oh really? I've never heard of INDOOR PLUMBING in the stone age. I believe you are talking about the GOLDEN ERA with the greeks and romans who DIDN'T at that time believe in GOD, they believed in the mythological gods. Romans were smarter than christians. ANYWAY...Enlightenment through PROTESTANTS? are you talking about the idiots that fought with the Catholics for 500 years and in the 30 years war that killed 15+ MILLION people? Also Religion almost DESTROYED western
@DeathlyDavid Wow learn your history before you speak about it please. Over in India way before the Greeks or Romans they had plumbing in their cities. Just for your fact later Rome and Greece were polytheistic so there were gods sorry burst you bubble. And the reformation broke the church's power which is how the renaissance happened who most of them were God fearing had honored him above man. (The church).
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@Method12321 1.i know only European history since thats what i'm taking 2. DUH! greeks and romans believed in gods NOT GOD. Where do you think ATHENS "athena" came from. 3. So what if they had gods, weren't they proved to be "myths" what makes you so sure GOD isn't a myth? In a 1000 years Christianity,Judaism,and Islam could be said to be ways for primitive humans to explain the universe. 4. Broke the power of the church? not before killing more than no one knows how may people.
@DeathlyDavid 1. European history is skewed perhaps even more then your media says about american history. 2. Gods anything is still religion so that proves nothing for you. 3. Do you know what myth is? Look up the first mean. Seeing as Catholics are mostly what you know no wonder Europe is still screwed over in the head concerning religion. In a XXXX years It could prove to be right. What's the point of playing that game? And I know its not a myth because I know healings have happened. But
@DeathlyDavid More importantly I never take miracles seriously for long. I see it in the history is the minds of humanity in their hatreds and hostilities, in their compassion and love, and in our archeology. If there was no God I don't think the 'bible' would have serviced the odds stacked against it.
@Method12321 I think the argument has strayed from the point. I do acknowledge that religion can be beneficial ie. people learning to read to read the bible. But, religion has become in some parts of the world a kind of cult where people are killing each other in the "name of their religion"
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@Method12321 civilization when they decided that ancient Roman and Greek artifacts should be destroyed because it was considered evil. Luckily some churches didn't think so and saved some. I believe you were thinking of the renaissance instead of the reformation which caused so much bloodshed and depopulated what is modern day germany. Islam did have more technology than the europeans but so what? Also while we're on the topic...what about these priests raping kids? Isn't THAT worse than
@DeathlyDavid "Islam did have more tech but so what?" lol afraid of my point? Lol the priests? Thats your A material? Thats sad. And religion saved greek and roman ideas as you've said yourself some churches hid the artifacts rendering your own point moot. Like so many Christians, Atheists, Gays and Straights. You take what your told and run with it. Can't be bothered to look for yourself. For all man accomplishes the earlier point being they always fail with time. The two towers, titanic...
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@Method12321 harry potter being evil? Oh yeah FUN FACT there were no larger cities in the "stone age". In Roman times, there were aqueducts which transported water. Going on... RELIGION is CONTINUALLY...TODAY! fighting science. Can you believe they are restricting the teaching of evolution when there is tons of proof that animals ADAPT to their new environment?
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Ok, I am a born catholic, I had to endure CCD [saturday class] and I taught a year of it [cause they were short a teacher] [im 22 btw] but ya anyways I just love how they say ohh if you read/watch harry potter you'll convert to witchcraft and worship the devil......umm....witchcraft and worshiping the devil is two different religions, worshiping the devil is called satanism....please..dont get them mixed up -_-. I loveee Harry potter ^_^
I serious doubt that anyone person who reads Harry Potter is going to become a satan worshipper, especially since the books make no mention of religion anyway. No where in any of the books is there any mention of God,jesus,the bible,the church,christianity,satan religion, or any of those things. Of course i could write a story about a little girl going to the store and buying candy and some religious nutjobs would make into something evil and satanic.
You say she's ignorant? About what? To the contrary, she makes an intelligent case that the Harry Potter series is doing our society a great service by seriously discussing matters of good and evil. Furthermore, she showed similarities between Rowling and Augustine in how they conceptualize good and evil in their work, indicating that even ideas as old as Augustine can have such widespread appeal today. Ignorant? She seems to know her stuff.
There is no such thing as good nor evil, only difference of opinion. Get off your high horse, you are not that important. The universe has no need for you.
No one is claiming to be "that important." This is a scholarly lecture on ideas and concepts.
Did you listen to Elshtain's claims about horrific phenomena, such as the Holocaust, and how people who experience them tend to have no other way to adequately express such horrific phenomena perpetrated by other human beings, except to call it "evil," not "maladjustment" and the like? You do not seem to be engaging Elshtain's claims, but merely asserting the contrary--just about anyone can do that.
@ayitspnayo@TheOpenMInded12460 Harry Potter is fictional get rid of the scam con artist, and followers go to rehab and / or your local psychologist please if you believe this stuff!
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harry potter is a book written for kids, and a good book, I might add... while bible sucks beyond belief. What evil did harry potter caused? sure not thousand years of oppression and ignorance and destruction like christianity... salute to witchcraft
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She refers to herself as Elite a billion times.
Just another (im better than you, let me save you) wack jobs.
Elite (occasionally spelled Élite) is taken originally from the Latin, eligere, "to elect". In sociology as in general usage, the elite is a relatively small dominant group within a large society, which enjoys a privileged status envied by individuals of lower social status.
She needs a mirror, nobody is without sin, Pot meet Kettle misses wach job............
Evidently, some commentators did not even listen to what Professor Elshtain said. One of her main points is the cultural importance of talking about the concepts good and evil, something that fewer and fewer people publicly discuss, as she points out. She views the Harry Potter series as reengaging a public discourse on good and evil, something that she believes is NEEDED. She never said that the character Harry Potter or the series of books was evil. Listen to what she actually says!
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but you know what the WORD of GOD says all sorcery are evil. There is no difference between a good witch and a bad witch. White magic and black magic. Reason. KNOW THE SOURCE of that craft. Harry can be a wonderful dude but messing with sorcery is a big no no.
You are missing the point. My comment had nothing to do with the goodness or badness of practicing magic, and neither did anything Professor Elshtain said. If you think practicing magic is a bad thing, that is your opinion, but that is not the topic at hand in the video or in my comment. My point was that many commentators immediately jumped to the conclusion that Elshtain denounced Harry Potter as evil, which she clearly did not.
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Sorcery is, essentially, having knowledge and using it to manipulate others.
Any magic in the sense of how fantasy portrays it is completely unrealistic and... oh, I don't know, fanciful! 5,000 years ago, when the general public was ignorant of nearly everything, all science was seen as magic to their untrained eyes. 1000 years ago, magicians were alchemists. Note that alchemy later became known as chemistry and is a subject taught in every school in the world. What MAGIC is in the world?!
this is stupid, honestly. harry potter is just a freakin story about good v. evil. obviously they don't get it. all they worry about is the evil stuff....c'mon, if harry potter, lord of the rings and star wars didn't have evil in it then what kind of story would it be? THINK. there is opposition in all things. geez...you people give me headaches.
It seems the lady is speaking FOR the Harry Potter series. I took it the wrong way! oopsie...well that last bit was to the people who hate potter then!! lol
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and another thing...harry potter is simply a movie about good conquering evil. it's no different than lord of the rings or star wars...or whatever. they're all about good conquering evil and harry potter just has a fun twist to it....MAGIC!
if these idiots would just give it a chance and actually watch and read harry potter they just may like it. poeple need to shut the hell up.
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no i wasn't calling anybody an idiot. i just think it's silly to go on and on about this evil stuff. you can't have good without evil, it's that simple. harry potter is just a story about good v. evil. i've said that to everyone who thinks harry potter is evil. yeah, she points out all the evil in harry potter but there's also lot's of good. try looking at the positive. it's a great story and nobody can tell me otherwise.
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anyone who thinks harry potter is evil clearly has issues. there's things out there that make harry potter look like barney.
i remember i lived 2 doors down from a baptist family and when the first movie came out i asked if they had seen it...and i couln't believe my ears. they started freaking out like they were being stabbed and said that it's evil withcraft......and then the mother came outside and took her holy children inside before the demons came out and ate their souls.....BULL SHIT!
People who say Harry Potter is evil make me laugh. They make me wonder whether they have ever had fun, or even realise that the Harry Potter books are a work of FICTION and that there was evil in the world before Harry Potter. Just because there's magic in it doesn't mean it's evil. There are millions of books out there with magic in them. Like Sleeping Beuaty. Is Sleeping Beauty evil? **laughs**
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oh blah blah blah. like you've even read the ACTUAL harry potter books. NO YOU HAVENT. you anly read books ABOUT Harry Potter. When you ACTUALY read Harry Potter come and talk to me.
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Both books discuss events of mythological proportions, which occurred during a period of time other than the present, and that have never been supported by any degree of empirical evidence.
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Frankly, I'm confused; what is the difference between Harry Potter and the Bible?
Both books contain fantastic tales of cosmic battles between good and evil.
Both books have heroes and villains who are armed with unearthly super powers, and who use their powers to ensure that they retain control over the other.
Excellent reply, moron! Spoken like a true high school equivalency hopeful.
Keep up your loser ways. I supposed that the world needs people who will take fast-food orders and clean the bathroom at a gas station, so imbeciles like you do serve some menial purpose.
It's clear that logic and reason completely elude you, my friend. I did not ask anyone to "buy what (I'm) peddling." I simply questioned what differentiates the Christian Bible from the Harry Potter novels. Your self-acknowledged stupid reply of "don't be gay" triggered my reply to you. Had you replied that you disagree with the premise of my question because of x, y, and z, then I would have replied differently. Instead, you decided to take the low road, so I responded accordingly.
The difference, my grammatically and logically-challenged little unick, is that I originally posed a legitimate question, whereas you responded with, in your own words, " a stupid comment." Had your stupid comment been innocent, then I would have taken, as you put it, "the high road" when I replied. However, your stupid comment was made for no other reason than for the sake of showcasing your overwhelming stock of stupidity. You want a free pass for being an idiot! Now, who needs a hug?
of your self, just what this world needs another peter pan pussy. like I said before your comment was stupid and I repied with a stupid comment. no evidence mr.smart guy
either your very stupid or you don't know how to read.
theres plenty of evidence for the truth of the bible, and pin heads like you who think the earth, humans created themselves dont realize how stupid the crap they peddle is.
The level of stupidity to which you rise is truly amazing, and amusing. But it doesn't surprise me since it comes from an imbecile who believes that a serpent can speak.
Perhaps if you spent more time reading something more substantial, like an English grammar textbook, instead of warped, mind numbing religious pontification, then you wouldn't sound like such an intellectual pauper.
Do I have to break everytimg down for you? But considering the type of person I know you are at "this time", based on your dumb ass comments.(atheist punk, know it all)
its word count above Grammer!!!!!!!
Fear not oh wounderous english teacher, there is hope for you and others like you.
God still loves you and will "change" your heart and forgive your sins.
But you have to believe he is.
(the creation declares his handy work)
and come to him (Jesus) with the heart of a child. Amen.
As entertaining as this has been, I'm afraid that this will have to be my final response. It's clear that all of the logic and reason couldn't begin to penetrate the intellect of a mental midget such as yourself. However, I take comfort in knowing that warped and outdated views like yours are on a rapid decline.
Good grammar is something that is required for my work as a corporate attorney. I suppose it's not as important to someone like you, who most likely wears a nametag at his job.
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Why is Harry Potter considered evil? He is a boy FIGHTING evil, is he not? Isn't that a theme that the bible supports? Jesus fought evil with some may consider "witchcraft" in that era. He used miracles, so how is that different from Harry Potter. I find Harry Potter very biblical and it is a great allegorical story if you choose to make it that way.
This was an interesting analysis of the Harry Potter books. Elshtain was correct that the books contained many similarities to Augustinian conceptions of evil, and these conceptions still attract the attention of so many readers today. As archaic as "sin" and "evil" may sound, they may do us better in the long run than "maladjustment" and the like.
If there is a god so powerful, worthy worshipping, and controlling everything; why wouldn't he himself handle the case, not letting his people to argue and fight?
Because he does not think Harry Potter is evil. Their god says HP is ok for human. If their god says it is ok, why would his people argue and fight about it.
I really enjoyed her lecture, and would like to see more vids of her. I looked her up (Jean Bethke Elshtain) She is a political philosopher & Laura Spelman Rockefeller Professor of Social and Political Ethics at the University of Chicago. Nice to see something like this on youtube. Thanks for posting this!
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This woman does make some good points regarding HP showing the difference between good and evil, it shouldn't have taken 1 hour to this however, I know 10 year olds who could do it quicker. I don't think however, that what she said regarding the world "banishing evil" is true, i'm fed-up with religeous people going on about evil. The "Devil and God" are the same to me......STUPID LIES.
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WHOA! She looks like professor Delores Umbridgestein!!! That incisive observation aside though, she does broach some interesting points. Interesting points, but in the final analysis gross over simplifications, with a generous dollop of political agenda; the latter detracting from the universal impact of the thesis. BTW, didn't Augustine's cronies burn people at the stake?!
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Many dont realise sin and evil dont go hand in hand since sin is a matter of "rules" and good and evil is a matter of altruism in humanity. You can sin and still accomplish good and altruism, its how you know religion is BS.
@designlucas well that might not be entirely true. although the books were writen for children, many different types of books often have a much deeper messaage and interpertation (sorry bout my spelling) depending on whose reading them
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interesting lady, perhaps she could spend a little time looking into the Pharmakeia Latin translate = "witchcraft" or "sorcery" aka the Pharmaceutical industry as she appeared to be struggling with the medication 'messing with her system' as she put it. The corporate interests or love of money really don't lead to wisdom or knowledge that is beneficial to us. The move away from natural food production also being a part of the insipid creeping 'evil empire' of corporate agenda
HeLpLOstGOdAny1 7 months ago
Harry Potter is evil? Hey if its on the internet I'll believe it!
Darrylizer1 8 months ago
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"Atheism" Enough said.
xJon2142x 8 months ago
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Dumbledore, "It is not who we are when we are born, but who we choose to become". Enough said.
1q2w3e4r911 8 months ago
I must say that woman is probably the first Christian I've seen who has told us where Harry Potter actually stands for us, which is in the continuous battle between good and evil, with good always winning :) and Harry being on the good side. It's really just another way on expressing love <3 which is the best gift we probably have. So I take my hat off to the Professor, well done!
thomas5070 10 months ago 2
Why does everyone say Harry Potter is evil and is against god? It has underline Christian themes and J.K. even said that.
Foodog5 11 months ago 2
There is nothing wrong with Paganism, it was around before Christianity, and it's about time someone finally spoke intelligently about the situation with the harry potter series, it's just a book, period. As is constantly stated, if you don't like it, stay away from it, but before you criticize it, actually do research on it, and understand it. As i recall, "Judge not lest ye be judged"- remember you will reap what you sow.
thedarkmoonmidnight 11 months ago
grrrrrrrr for the freaking first 10 min. she's talking about something i really dont care about >:O
katGarkia15 1 year ago
found this talk most illuminating. Thank you so much. At last i have begun to understand the philosophy of St Augstine.
nebrad16 1 year ago 7
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this is an insult to intelligent people
koorupau 1 year ago
there needs to be a spoiler alert on this video, the books just got ruined for me!
proph3t0607 1 year ago
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they is no god. christianity is as much a fairy tale as harry potter. BUT harry potter is better as its a good read were as the bible is plan boring.
assym2006 1 year ago
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@assym2006 I feel bad that you think that way. You only believe in nothing because you're scared.
karasarahbcgee 1 year ago
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@karasarahbcgee no I don't believe in god because science makes total sense were as friary's at the bottom of the garden don't.
All a organised religion is ,is a way for a few con artists (priests) to have a easy life.
assym2006 1 year ago
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@assym2006 how do you honestly expect anyone to read your statements and not laugh. When trying to make a point, you might want to spell words correctly. Like faires and organized. You just made yourself look more incompetent than before, something I didn't think was possible.
karasarahbcgee 1 year ago
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@karasarahbcgee
you believe in god, you are a total fool.
assym2006 1 year ago
@karasarahbcgee you have no right to say that. not believing in something does not make someone scared. all it makes them is their own person. think about that the next time you judge someone who says that they dont believe in god and try to put your self in their position. my friend is an athiest (sorry if i spelled that wrong) because she says that her parents tried to force religion on her and that everytime something bad happened and she prayed to god, her life only got worse. i believe in
CoreyAnasHanyou 11 months ago
@karasarahbcgee god as well as magic. i use both in my writings along with greek and japanese mythology along with other supernatural entities. religion is meant to give people faith and something to believe in by personifying (again sorry) the creator who none of us have actually met before. that doesnt stop us from balieving. essentially (sorry) religion is to give hope to the hopeless or faith to those who have none. it is meant to be a guiding light with a promise of something after death
CoreyAnasHanyou 11 months ago
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This woman's vapid, disjointed sophistry is one of only a handful of things that qualify as "anti-knowledge." The first half is her ineptly dancing around the issue of defining evil by attacking academics dismissive attitude toward superstitious values (because they're antiquated & arbitrary). Then she just flatly states the plot of every book punctuated very occasionally with meaningless theological interjections. It follows no organizing principle or logical pattern.
She is an idiot, avoid.
TheCarebearstare 1 year ago
Good can exist without evil, but evil cannot exist without good. Can't wait for eternity after the millenium Kingdom =); and satan, that old dragon is cast into the lake of fire the second death.
SilentPrayingmanTis 1 year ago
@WTFilm brilliant retort. well spoken, well versed and so thought out. Tell me what grade did you drop out of school? Your ignorance is overwhelming. Your insight lacking. Knowledge is power, as is intelligence. You gift of discourse is rather, small. This woman is brilliant, you are just too narrow minded and uneducated to be able to see it.
eahazell 1 year ago
Harry Potter isn't evil
Zim804 1 year ago
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figures...once something becomes widely popular (harry potter books) christians proclaim it to be satan and just plain evil...lol videogames become popular= they cause people to commit acts of violence, types of music becomes popular= it becomes devil music...apparenlty anything new and popular to be enjoyed is the gateway to hell WTF!!!
hurricaneCFMB 1 year ago
@hurricaneCFMB I'm a Christian, but I don't think Harry Potter is evil... It's only wrong if you go off and try to cast spells and worship Satan...
1256tag 1 year ago
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@1256tag a pray is a type of spell.
assym2006 1 year ago
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People shouldn't learn witchcraft from Harry Potter, because that stuff is just glorified.
I'm Wiccan and proud, and a real witch. It's about as entertaining as christianity.
The books don't even mention religion.
She talks about nothing for a good while. -___-'
CannibalKissing 1 year ago
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Who is this dyke? and why does her dumb ass talk sooooo much about nothing?
I wish i could tell this slut to shut the fuck up and pass away already. due to her old old age. ttyl bitch.
WTFilm 1 year ago
harry potter = brainwashing american kids....do u ever see a popular kids book that promotes good or peace..nope not really and def never on harry potters level that derty witch id break that pussies wand and clap the shit out of him brooklyn
kraftiztoxic 1 year ago
@kraftiztoxic I can't really tell if you're joking or not...
punkemoalt 1 year ago
@kraftiztoxic I can't really tell if you're joking or not...
punkemoalt 1 year ago
Whats up with all the thumbs down for anyone saying Harry Potter's not some satanic book? Trolls?
Harry Potters a great kids book. Its a great action, fantasy story and it got a lot of kids into reading in the late 90's and early 2000's who otherwise might not have picked up any books.
Its only big underline moral seems to be about the power of friendship, love and family. What the hell is wrong with that?? o.o
SilentFishHeads 1 year ago
@SilentFishHeads What's wrong with it is they make themselves Gods. Trusting in their own power, their own united abilities. Thats what is wrong. The sudden interest in the cult is what is so troubling in young children.
Sometimes it is better to not read at all then to read something harmful. Only a fool would be happy their son read a erotic novel because its a book. So I enjoyed the one harry potter, and twilight book. Does not mean its good or should be read by the young.
Method12321 11 months ago
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@Method12321 what are you talking about? What is wrong with trusting in our own power and in our united abilities? How the hell do you think we advanced past the stone age? Wtf do you think CIVILIZATION is?? United in power for the common good. Synergy.. SYNCHRONIZED ENERGY. We're making ourselves god everyday. Its called cloning, designing babies, making medicine, DEFYING NATURE. Last time religion interfered, it was called the dark ages, crusades, spanish inquestion, the list goes on.
DeathlyDavid 10 months ago
@DeathlyDavid The "Stone age" as you call it is actually more advanced then us in certain areas. We can't with technology duplicate some of their feats. Fun fact: their larger cities had indoor plumbing. Figure that one out. Religion led the way to enlightenment through the Protestants and in the middle east with Islam in their golden age during Europe's dark times. The Mongolian empire brought eastern ideas to Europe. Shame on you for skipping your history.
Method12321 10 months ago
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@Method12321 oh really? I've never heard of INDOOR PLUMBING in the stone age. I believe you are talking about the GOLDEN ERA with the greeks and romans who DIDN'T at that time believe in GOD, they believed in the mythological gods. Romans were smarter than christians. ANYWAY...Enlightenment through PROTESTANTS? are you talking about the idiots that fought with the Catholics for 500 years and in the 30 years war that killed 15+ MILLION people? Also Religion almost DESTROYED western
DeathlyDavid 10 months ago
@DeathlyDavid Wow learn your history before you speak about it please. Over in India way before the Greeks or Romans they had plumbing in their cities. Just for your fact later Rome and Greece were polytheistic so there were gods sorry burst you bubble. And the reformation broke the church's power which is how the renaissance happened who most of them were God fearing had honored him above man. (The church).
Method12321 10 months ago
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@Method12321 1.i know only European history since thats what i'm taking 2. DUH! greeks and romans believed in gods NOT GOD. Where do you think ATHENS "athena" came from. 3. So what if they had gods, weren't they proved to be "myths" what makes you so sure GOD isn't a myth? In a 1000 years Christianity,Judaism,and Islam could be said to be ways for primitive humans to explain the universe. 4. Broke the power of the church? not before killing more than no one knows how may people.
DeathlyDavid 10 months ago
@DeathlyDavid 1. European history is skewed perhaps even more then your media says about american history. 2. Gods anything is still religion so that proves nothing for you. 3. Do you know what myth is? Look up the first mean. Seeing as Catholics are mostly what you know no wonder Europe is still screwed over in the head concerning religion. In a XXXX years It could prove to be right. What's the point of playing that game? And I know its not a myth because I know healings have happened. But
Method12321 10 months ago
@DeathlyDavid More importantly I never take miracles seriously for long. I see it in the history is the minds of humanity in their hatreds and hostilities, in their compassion and love, and in our archeology. If there was no God I don't think the 'bible' would have serviced the odds stacked against it.
Method12321 10 months ago
@DeathlyDavid Wouldn't have survived* I hate the return button.
Method12321 10 months ago
@Method12321 I think the argument has strayed from the point. I do acknowledge that religion can be beneficial ie. people learning to read to read the bible. But, religion has become in some parts of the world a kind of cult where people are killing each other in the "name of their religion"
DeathlyDavid 10 months ago
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@Method12321 civilization when they decided that ancient Roman and Greek artifacts should be destroyed because it was considered evil. Luckily some churches didn't think so and saved some. I believe you were thinking of the renaissance instead of the reformation which caused so much bloodshed and depopulated what is modern day germany. Islam did have more technology than the europeans but so what? Also while we're on the topic...what about these priests raping kids? Isn't THAT worse than
DeathlyDavid 10 months ago
@DeathlyDavid "Islam did have more tech but so what?" lol afraid of my point? Lol the priests? Thats your A material? Thats sad. And religion saved greek and roman ideas as you've said yourself some churches hid the artifacts rendering your own point moot. Like so many Christians, Atheists, Gays and Straights. You take what your told and run with it. Can't be bothered to look for yourself. For all man accomplishes the earlier point being they always fail with time. The two towers, titanic...
Method12321 10 months ago
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@Method12321 harry potter being evil? Oh yeah FUN FACT there were no larger cities in the "stone age". In Roman times, there were aqueducts which transported water. Going on... RELIGION is CONTINUALLY...TODAY! fighting science. Can you believe they are restricting the teaching of evolution when there is tons of proof that animals ADAPT to their new environment?
DeathlyDavid 10 months ago
This is hilarious
Zoro11031 1 year ago
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Ok, I am a born catholic, I had to endure CCD [saturday class] and I taught a year of it [cause they were short a teacher] [im 22 btw] but ya anyways I just love how they say ohh if you read/watch harry potter you'll convert to witchcraft and worship the devil......umm....witchcraft and worshiping the devil is two different religions, worshiping the devil is called satanism....please..dont get them mixed up -_-. I loveee Harry potter ^_^
alchemistofsins 2 years ago
I serious doubt that anyone person who reads Harry Potter is going to become a satan worshipper, especially since the books make no mention of religion anyway. No where in any of the books is there any mention of God,jesus,the bible,the church,christianity,satan religion, or any of those things. Of course i could write a story about a little girl going to the store and buying candy and some religious nutjobs would make into something evil and satanic.
HelloFade2 2 years ago
There is a bible quote in DH...but I agree.
ProfessorPoopy 2 years ago
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Redoubtable23 2 years ago
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If Harry Potter were real he would perform nude on Broadway....oh wait
RoyReal 2 years ago
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hahaha she went to Jesus Camp when she was a kid!!!!!
evilnomad111 2 years ago
This woman is so ignorant.
degenerateScum 2 years ago
You say she's ignorant? About what? To the contrary, she makes an intelligent case that the Harry Potter series is doing our society a great service by seriously discussing matters of good and evil. Furthermore, she showed similarities between Rowling and Augustine in how they conceptualize good and evil in their work, indicating that even ideas as old as Augustine can have such widespread appeal today. Ignorant? She seems to know her stuff.
hellohi821 2 years ago
There is no such thing as good nor evil, only difference of opinion. Get off your high horse, you are not that important. The universe has no need for you.
MrKevMan 2 years ago
No one is claiming to be "that important." This is a scholarly lecture on ideas and concepts.
Did you listen to Elshtain's claims about horrific phenomena, such as the Holocaust, and how people who experience them tend to have no other way to adequately express such horrific phenomena perpetrated by other human beings, except to call it "evil," not "maladjustment" and the like? You do not seem to be engaging Elshtain's claims, but merely asserting the contrary--just about anyone can do that.
hellohi821 2 years ago 2
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she might not be ignorant but have alzheimer's.
Redoubtable23 2 years ago
Harry Potter is a phenomenally written work of literature, its twists in plot being the most meticulously written I have ever read!
It's fiction, not a subliminal message for children to worship the devil. Get over it, J K is brilliant!
Go speaker in this video :o
ayitspnayo 2 years ago 29
@ayitspnayo nice job
AvrilRawkz12 1 year ago
@ayitspnayo amen
waldoinred 1 year ago
@ayitspnayo You really need to read more. Try Dickens or Shakespeare ffs.
jacksawild 1 year ago
@ayitspnayo @TheOpenMInded12460 Harry Potter is fictional get rid of the scam con artist, and followers go to rehab and / or your local psychologist please if you believe this stuff!
TheOpenminded12460 1 year ago
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Thank goodness he "Christian Era" is over, now we can move on.
Clemburke1111 2 years ago
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harry potter is a book written for kids, and a good book, I might add... while bible sucks beyond belief. What evil did harry potter caused? sure not thousand years of oppression and ignorance and destruction like christianity... salute to witchcraft
Ensiger 2 years ago
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She refers to herself as Elite a billion times.
Just another (im better than you, let me save you) wack jobs.
Elite (occasionally spelled Élite) is taken originally from the Latin, eligere, "to elect". In sociology as in general usage, the elite is a relatively small dominant group within a large society, which enjoys a privileged status envied by individuals of lower social status.
She needs a mirror, nobody is without sin, Pot meet Kettle misses wach job............
eviltig 3 years ago
All I can say is...the book is Fiction. Nothing more or less.
ladyjulyjuju 3 years ago 4
Evidently, some commentators did not even listen to what Professor Elshtain said. One of her main points is the cultural importance of talking about the concepts good and evil, something that fewer and fewer people publicly discuss, as she points out. She views the Harry Potter series as reengaging a public discourse on good and evil, something that she believes is NEEDED. She never said that the character Harry Potter or the series of books was evil. Listen to what she actually says!
hellohi821 3 years ago 3
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but you know what the WORD of GOD says all sorcery are evil. There is no difference between a good witch and a bad witch. White magic and black magic. Reason. KNOW THE SOURCE of that craft. Harry can be a wonderful dude but messing with sorcery is a big no no.
Bloodsport1 3 years ago
Bloodsport1:
You are missing the point. My comment had nothing to do with the goodness or badness of practicing magic, and neither did anything Professor Elshtain said. If you think practicing magic is a bad thing, that is your opinion, but that is not the topic at hand in the video or in my comment. My point was that many commentators immediately jumped to the conclusion that Elshtain denounced Harry Potter as evil, which she clearly did not.
hellohi821 3 years ago
I gotcha point
Bloodsport1 3 years ago
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Sorcery is, essentially, having knowledge and using it to manipulate others.
Any magic in the sense of how fantasy portrays it is completely unrealistic and... oh, I don't know, fanciful! 5,000 years ago, when the general public was ignorant of nearly everything, all science was seen as magic to their untrained eyes. 1000 years ago, magicians were alchemists. Note that alchemy later became known as chemistry and is a subject taught in every school in the world. What MAGIC is in the world?!
ProserpinaFC 2 years ago
one big flaw: NOBODY IS SAYING HARRY POTTER IS REAL!!!!
dragonridley 2 years ago 6
this is stupid, honestly. harry potter is just a freakin story about good v. evil. obviously they don't get it. all they worry about is the evil stuff....c'mon, if harry potter, lord of the rings and star wars didn't have evil in it then what kind of story would it be? THINK. there is opposition in all things. geez...you people give me headaches.
tippmann17 3 years ago
You forgot HellBoy, man thats got a sadistic title too.
Them people givin me headaches too.
eviltig 3 years ago
Oh I like this speaker
ILikeThesePeople 3 years ago
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I love Harry Potter.
I LOVE IT!
And guess what, I'm a Christian!!
*ohmygoodnessthatsimpossible*
pshhhh.
It's a story for the benefit of the imaginations of children and adults alike.
Stop trying to make something soooo "good" oriented look "bad" or "evil."
That's horrible. These people are doing the very thing they are speaking against...they are turning something good into something evil.
TOO BAD you are actually AIDING the devil!
-.-
ILikeThesePeople 3 years ago
Oops, ignore my last paragraph there.
It seems the lady is speaking FOR the Harry Potter series. I took it the wrong way! oopsie...well that last bit was to the people who hate potter then!! lol
and I was kidding about "aiding the devil"
sarcasm...
ILikeThesePeople 3 years ago
yeah, no joke. these people "think" they're right.
i've read/ watched harry potter and i'm not dead or surrounded by demons.
tippmann17 3 years ago
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and another thing...harry potter is simply a movie about good conquering evil. it's no different than lord of the rings or star wars...or whatever. they're all about good conquering evil and harry potter just has a fun twist to it....MAGIC!
if these idiots would just give it a chance and actually watch and read harry potter they just may like it. poeple need to shut the hell up.
tippmann17 3 years ago
Were you calling the speaker an idiot? She was taking up for the series. Talking about it in an educated, positive manner.
MysteryChair 3 years ago 11
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no i wasn't calling anybody an idiot. i just think it's silly to go on and on about this evil stuff. you can't have good without evil, it's that simple. harry potter is just a story about good v. evil. i've said that to everyone who thinks harry potter is evil. yeah, she points out all the evil in harry potter but there's also lot's of good. try looking at the positive. it's a great story and nobody can tell me otherwise.
get over it people.
tippmann17 3 years ago
@MysteryChair i think he meant to say good speaker in this video
RadicalRavenclaw 1 year ago
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anyone who thinks harry potter is evil clearly has issues. there's things out there that make harry potter look like barney.
i remember i lived 2 doors down from a baptist family and when the first movie came out i asked if they had seen it...and i couln't believe my ears. they started freaking out like they were being stabbed and said that it's evil withcraft......and then the mother came outside and took her holy children inside before the demons came out and ate their souls.....BULL SHIT!
tippmann17 3 years ago
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She's funny. But I would prefer Chris Rock speaking on the subject. He's a way more funny than her.
eradanthesecond 3 years ago
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If Harry Potter makes kids evil than Tom Cruise is Striaght...
jakey926 3 years ago
hahahah that mreloo is an idiot
MetaLMatt0 3 years ago
People who say Harry Potter is evil make me laugh. They make me wonder whether they have ever had fun, or even realise that the Harry Potter books are a work of FICTION and that there was evil in the world before Harry Potter. Just because there's magic in it doesn't mean it's evil. There are millions of books out there with magic in them. Like Sleeping Beuaty. Is Sleeping Beauty evil? **laughs**
evieapollo 3 years ago
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oh blah blah blah. like you've even read the ACTUAL harry potter books. NO YOU HAVENT. you anly read books ABOUT Harry Potter. When you ACTUALY read Harry Potter come and talk to me.
Laurastar90210 3 years ago
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omg! ive read and watched harry potter omg i m evil god save me!!!!!! BULL SHIT!
TripleMoonGoddess19 3 years ago
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Stop worrying so much about where you're going when you die and worry more about where you're going right now.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi.
riverswift1972 3 years ago
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Both books discuss events of mythological proportions, which occurred during a period of time other than the present, and that have never been supported by any degree of empirical evidence.
Is there a difference?
marsoopie 3 years ago
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Frankly, I'm confused; what is the difference between Harry Potter and the Bible?
Both books contain fantastic tales of cosmic battles between good and evil.
Both books have heroes and villains who are armed with unearthly super powers, and who use their powers to ensure that they retain control over the other.
marsoopie 3 years ago
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dont be Gay
mreloo 3 years ago
Excellent reply, moron! Spoken like a true high school equivalency hopeful.
Keep up your loser ways. I supposed that the world needs people who will take fast-food orders and clean the bathroom at a gas station, so imbeciles like you do serve some menial purpose.
marsoopie 3 years ago
sounds like someone needs a hug, mabey I was testing your reaction tolerance well you failed this time but no bigge. you need to work on
not getting so angery when people dont buy
what your peddeling even when they make stupid comments
mreloo 3 years ago
It's clear that logic and reason completely elude you, my friend. I did not ask anyone to "buy what (I'm) peddling." I simply questioned what differentiates the Christian Bible from the Harry Potter novels. Your self-acknowledged stupid reply of "don't be gay" triggered my reply to you. Had you replied that you disagree with the premise of my question because of x, y, and z, then I would have replied differently. Instead, you decided to take the low road, so I responded accordingly.
marsoopie 3 years ago
kind of like how you took the high with your reply..eh (turn the other cheek?)
mabey your reply is a mirror to whats really in your heart..
dont worry your in good company "the heart of man is despreatly wicked who can no it"
mreloo 3 years ago
The difference, my grammatically and logically-challenged little unick, is that I originally posed a legitimate question, whereas you responded with, in your own words, " a stupid comment." Had your stupid comment been innocent, then I would have taken, as you put it, "the high road" when I replied. However, your stupid comment was made for no other reason than for the sake of showcasing your overwhelming stock of stupidity. You want a free pass for being an idiot! Now, who needs a hug?
marsoopie 3 years ago
I'm glad you think so highly
of your self, just what this world needs another peter pan pussy. like I said before your comment was stupid and I repied with a stupid comment. no evidence mr.smart guy
either your very stupid or you don't know how to read.
theres plenty of evidence for the truth of the bible, and pin heads like you who think the earth, humans created themselves dont realize how stupid the crap they peddle is.
but I just informed you so take Like a man.
quit winning.
mreloo 3 years ago
thats whining, which is what babies do, so stop it.
mreloo 3 years ago
The level of stupidity to which you rise is truly amazing, and amusing. But it doesn't surprise me since it comes from an imbecile who believes that a serpent can speak.
Perhaps if you spent more time reading something more substantial, like an English grammar textbook, instead of warped, mind numbing religious pontification, then you wouldn't sound like such an intellectual pauper.
marsoopie 3 years ago
Do I have to break everytimg down for you? But considering the type of person I know you are at "this time", based on your dumb ass comments.(atheist punk, know it all)
its word count above Grammer!!!!!!!
Fear not oh wounderous english teacher, there is hope for you and others like you.
God still loves you and will "change" your heart and forgive your sins.
But you have to believe he is.
(the creation declares his handy work)
and come to him (Jesus) with the heart of a child. Amen.
mreloo 3 years ago
As entertaining as this has been, I'm afraid that this will have to be my final response. It's clear that all of the logic and reason couldn't begin to penetrate the intellect of a mental midget such as yourself. However, I take comfort in knowing that warped and outdated views like yours are on a rapid decline.
Good grammar is something that is required for my work as a corporate attorney. I suppose it's not as important to someone like you, who most likely wears a nametag at his job.
marsoopie 3 years ago
my secretary takes care of my letters..
keep in mind, young man that I would win this pissing contest.
mreloo 3 years ago
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Why is Harry Potter considered evil? He is a boy FIGHTING evil, is he not? Isn't that a theme that the bible supports? Jesus fought evil with some may consider "witchcraft" in that era. He used miracles, so how is that different from Harry Potter. I find Harry Potter very biblical and it is a great allegorical story if you choose to make it that way.
blanch321 3 years ago
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bible basher if there ever was one
robertrulebirtannia 3 years ago
they get 59 minutes??!!!!! not fair.
OnsetFilms 3 years ago
Goodness, this is more /for/ Harry Potter, than against it. Thanks.
LilyEvans7 3 years ago
she seems like an intelligent woman. except.... obviously not since harry is good. actually great
iheartdwarfs 3 years ago
LONG LIVE HARRY POTTER!
Grindelwald23 3 years ago
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blah.
crazywolf83 3 years ago
This was an interesting analysis of the Harry Potter books. Elshtain was correct that the books contained many similarities to Augustinian conceptions of evil, and these conceptions still attract the attention of so many readers today. As archaic as "sin" and "evil" may sound, they may do us better in the long run than "maladjustment" and the like.
hellohi821 4 years ago 2
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8:56 "Excuse me, my voice is a bit wobbly because of the medication I'm taking. I usually don't WOBBLE, so I hope I'm intelligible."
Medication? I wonder why....
mskrys419 4 years ago
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They had to get a proffessor to talk about a child's book.
Hahaha she looks like Umbridge! Cause she resembles a toad!
natass690 4 years ago
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this woman is great and would love to have all the people who think harry is evil and have her tell them what is
adgvtb 4 years ago
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There is no good, no evil. Just hate
IneedAlife209 4 years ago
eh. people will be people.
atrumblood 4 years ago
If there is a god so powerful, worthy worshipping, and controlling everything; why wouldn't he himself handle the case, not letting his people to argue and fight?
Because he does not think Harry Potter is evil. Their god says HP is ok for human. If their god says it is ok, why would his people argue and fight about it.
vishva8kumara 4 years ago
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after the first five minutes i was like *droooooooool*
pizza012345 4 years ago
Theres no black or white. Only shades of grey.
No good without evil and vice versa.
TAKENnameARGH 4 years ago
I really enjoyed her lecture, and would like to see more vids of her. I looked her up (Jean Bethke Elshtain) She is a political philosopher & Laura Spelman Rockefeller Professor of Social and Political Ethics at the University of Chicago. Nice to see something like this on youtube. Thanks for posting this!
uhaveatwistedreality 4 years ago 4
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This woman does make some good points regarding HP showing the difference between good and evil, it shouldn't have taken 1 hour to this however, I know 10 year olds who could do it quicker. I don't think however, that what she said regarding the world "banishing evil" is true, i'm fed-up with religeous people going on about evil. The "Devil and God" are the same to me......STUPID LIES.
cj0501576 4 years ago
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WHOA! She looks like professor Delores Umbridgestein!!! That incisive observation aside though, she does broach some interesting points. Interesting points, but in the final analysis gross over simplifications, with a generous dollop of political agenda; the latter detracting from the universal impact of the thesis. BTW, didn't Augustine's cronies burn people at the stake?!
QUANTUMLORD18 4 years ago
all hail google
DaPeasInaCan 4 years ago
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Many dont realise sin and evil dont go hand in hand since sin is a matter of "rules" and good and evil is a matter of altruism in humanity. You can sin and still accomplish good and altruism, its how you know religion is BS.
animecha 4 years ago
Parry Hotter is a good warlock. Without evilish side within, he wouldn't be so deeply good.
Altazar 4 years ago
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Harry Potter is not as deep as you're making it out, Lady!
designlucas 4 years ago
@designlucas well that might not be entirely true. although the books were writen for children, many different types of books often have a much deeper messaage and interpertation (sorry bout my spelling) depending on whose reading them
CoreyAnasHanyou 11 months ago
Evil has no depth. YES.
LanysNevelesser 4 years ago
These sessions are great. I had no clue google even had their own account here until today.
tehXalo 4 years ago
Quality broadcasts...
Look at the views meter.
topfunk 4 years ago
These tech talks seem to resemble the convocations I had at my university.
tung2sai 4 years ago