Handel - Messiah - Since by man came death

[sksmithsk]

Love this piece and the words.

[AdamAus85]

I found a full record set in prestine condition the other day when going through my parent's storage boxes. It's a concert of The Messiah from way back when, from England. So beautiful and the packaging too.

[rorysmovies]

Face/Off -D

[TikiFoamy38]

Even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1:48

[goodshorts]

Evolution is the new state religion.

[JTB1956]

@goodshorts Then I shall be it's protestant.

[FRAGIORGIO1]

A true scientist could only be either a believer or an agnostic. Atheism is dogmatic. It declares a Divine Power does not exist without any proof from a universe very incompletely known! What do we know about other dimensions of reality? Let us enjoy the music as one intelligent atheist said.

[FRAGIORGIO1]

To Biblical literalists and Scientific atheists I can only say you're both illogica. Genesis is obviously full of parable like stories that have a spiritual message under the cloak of story telling. A talking snake with a Tree of Life and a Tree of Good and Evil? God took a side (not rib) out of man to make woman? Come on.  Atheist and scientific method don't go together. There's no physical proof of God, nor is there proof of no God. Science is still discovering the workings of the world. ..

[ResoundingMusic]

Gorgeous piece, delicious Theology. Scripture set to great music- what a treat!

[wrxstigoabs]

of the resurrection to believing Christians with some knowledge of Handel's devout faith and spiritual experiences at the time of composition means this chorus does elicit very powerful spiritual emotions To a non believer it is still I'm sure a gorgeous piece of music but to believers it is the music AND the message

[wrxstigoabs]

@NevinJarik One has to know some of the history behind the composition of Messiah to understand why it is so fondly regarded. In its entirety it is a long piece of music. Handel composed the entire score in 16 days and by his own admission he barely paused to eat and sleep . He claimed to have seen a vision of heavenly hosts and angels and of course he relied entirely on scriptures from the Old and New Testaments for the lyrics.This particular chorus, because it covers the universality of the r

[TheNinaChoco]

Simply amazing. There are no other words to describe it.

[badge930]

Our choir is singing this anthem, Sunday, March 13th...All Souls Parish, Presbyterian Church, Port Chester NY 10573.

[NevinJarek]

All you fucking christians stick the cross up your ass, nobody needs you massive death wish, nobody needs your arbitrary moral, nobody needs your fear and your emotional fixations. Modern people think for themselves, and only need hope in themselves, humanity and life, not some retarded religion.

[SilversTears]

@NevinJarek Just listen to the beautiful music or go post your drivel somewhere else. I'm not even Christian, but there's no need of you to be so ignorant and self-indulged. The basis of much modern thought relies on working as a community, not trying to solve the universes' problems yourself. Anyways, the main reason I was here was to listen to this beautiful piece, created by a genius who, though religious inspiration, created these wonderful masterpieces. Don't ruin everyone else's moments.

[NevinJarek]

@SilversTears I mean that modern people think for themselves, I mean that we, as a society, can come up with a solution, instead of obeying a dogma like sheep. I, also, came here to listen to this beautiful piece, which I have listened to since long long time ago. Yet, when people utter the christian poison, I too feel that my moment has been ruined. Dont I too have the right to express my hate against the dogma as they their love for it? If it were for me, music would be the only topic here

[SilversTears]

@NevinJarek Still, you must understand that this music was inspired by Christianity, and you must respect that fact if you are to be a true avid listener of this music. If not, you are being just as ignorant as some Christians themselves. And ignorance is something that I don't enjoy.

[NevinJarek]

@SilversTears Im not being ignorant for disrespecting christians. I acknowledge, historically, that christianity was in mind in the creation of this piece, that doesnt mean Im forced to respect or in its defect I lack knowledge. I dont lack knowledge on it, I lack empathy for christianity, dogmas, and delusions.

[ProvidenceFX]

I should also mention that the beautiful lyrics are from 1 Corinthians 15:21, 22. The implementation of them in the piece it's just majestic, full of objective truth from the Bible.

[NevinJarek]

@ProvidenceFX what the, shut the fuck up and stick the bible up your ass you dumbfuck.

[ProvidenceFX]

@NevinJarek, You are French, that explains why you hate christianity, most french do. The lyrics are from the Bible, you are a very rare man if you listen to it, have you listen to the lyrics and still are comfortable with it? Why do you listen to christian music if you so much hate christianity? You confuse me, rare man?

[NevinJarek]

@ProvidenceFX French? No, I hate christianity because Im and educated person. My mother taught me of Faust, Nietzsche, Sartre, Savater, etc. Christianity is a fallacious system, first epistemologically. By that I mean that there are issues like the Problem of Evil, Omnipotence-Omniscience paradoxes, Omniscience-testing issued, and overall many contradictions, like the bloody first testament compared with the second. In one god orders massacres and in the next he condemns violence.

[NevinJarek]

@ProvidenceFX Extrinsically there is also evidence that christianity is a human product. It contains elements of religions before it, like the Vedas. It is also evolutionary, there are queues in the societal evolution that are parallel to the theological evolution, like the importance of an element in a civilization, is always the venerated god in a religion. From gods of animals we pass to gods of natural forces to gods of human characteristics and now of a moral system of them.

[NevinJarek]

@ProvidenceFX And thirdly, christianity doesnt want you to think for yourself, its a mean of order in which a being cant reason to a higher truth but is trapped in social pressure and fear into the delusion of a duty for him. It created an intransigent way of thinking. Also, christianity negates life, it promotes an afterlife as the epitome of existence, and puts a dying man in a cross for us to adore.

I listen to this music because Haendel is impressive, one of the best musicians in history.

[andycjp]

@NevinJarek Christ is Risen! Happy Easter.

[ResoundingMusic]

@NevinJarek I find it interesting that you condemn all of these things, yet appear to be an atheist. Christianity not only stimulates deep and meaningful thought, but it brings meaning to reality. On the contrary, when you as an atheist condemn Christianity you are borrowing from the Biblical system of ethics to condemn It. "Climbing into God's lap to slap Him in the face". And when you as an atheist appeal to "reason" as your god, you assume that there is objective truth in a chance world.

[NevinJarek]

@ResoundingMusic Christianity is a dogma, it teaches you to follow orders or else there is punishment. Its brings a false meaning to reality, better said, a delusional purpose to existence. I am not borrowing from the christian ethics to condemn it, I am borrowing from functionalism, humanism and logic to condemn it. Reason is not a god, it's our earthly capacity, our intellectual effort, not a divine being. Our world is objective, causal and of probability, not chance, theres a difference.

[ResoundingMusic]

@NevinJarek If Christianity is true, then it has a right to be a dogma. If God is real, then He has the right to give orders. If Christianity is true, then it is no delusion. You have yet to prove any of these false.

If Christianity is false- if there is no God- then there is no Objective Truth, no meaning to reality. And while you wouldn't claim humanism to be divine, it is your basic assumption, that which you accept on faith before you can reason at all- your religion.

[NevinJarek]

@ResoundingMusic Lol, u know nothing about logic. Well let me refute you. Do know what is The Burden Of Proof? Do you know what is Falsifiability? I dont have to prove god doesnt exist, you have to prove he exists. But if I had to prove he doesnt exist, then u have to prove Thor and Ganesh dont exist. And once busy with that, you prove that unicorns and the flying spaghetti monster doesnt exist. Whats is that? You cant prove they dont exist, you cant confirm a negative. See?

[ResoundingMusic]

@NevinJarek The proof is all around you. The same proof that you would give for the evolution of the universe I would give for God's Glorious Creation and Design. You assume on faith that God is not real, and then interpret the evidence. I assume on faith that God is real, and then interpret the evidence. And for this very reason, I doubt we'll progress much further... I just wanted to be a voice from the other side. Thanks for the debate.

[NevinJarek]

@ResoundingMusic I do not assume on faith that god isnt real. I assume on logical positivism and falsifiability. Which proof? You cant arbitrarily say that we or life is proof, for something to be verifiable there must be testability, if not reproducible, we must eliminate all variables. That way, when you say god created us, the earth, or time, u must prove it, not have faith in it. Evolution was proved on the Galapagos Islands, with verifiable and falsifiable evidence. Not with faith.

[ResoundingMusic]

@NevinJarek Evolution was proved on the Galapagos to those who assume that God didn't make it how it is. To those who assume that God is, the Galapagos is one more proof of The Genius of a Glorious Creator.

And you can't test or reproduce evolution. Every attempt fails. Nor is the big bang testable. Nor can evolution explain where life comes from. They've tried... I've heard that we were seeded by aliens, which just pushes the problem "out there", and that it came on crystals.

[NevinJarek]

@ResoundingMusic Now, 'assuming' in such way is arbitrary, its like saying "i assume 3+5=7". Evolution was a derivative conclusion, we didnt assume a 8 before we had the equation, we first found 3+5, and on that we assume the answer is an 8. We assumes derivatively, because there is no mark of god in any mammal, but there is mark of common ancestors in all species.

We cant reproduce evolution on large scales like species, but we have reproduced in in small scales like moth color patterns.

[ResoundingMusic]

@NevinJarek "[W]e first found 3+5, and on that we assume the answer is an 8."  Right. Kind of. But it's not quite so mathematical. Actually, if we're going mathematically, evolution has lotsa problems. (But, of course, you'll deny that... because of your faith)

Anyway, you look at the evidence and conclude "no god". I look at the evidence and conclude "God". Same evidence.

Evolutionists and Christians both have faith. The Christians just admit it.

[NevinJarek]

@ResoundingMusic (continued) So I dont assume on faith, I assume on scientific skepticism, through verificationism and falsifiability, that the 'evidence' of god isn't good enough, even more, the fact that we are alive and the universe is how it is might as well be evidence of Thor or Ganesha. Evidence must be an independent and observable variable, testable, that is, you must see god create something, or find evidence that only god could have left, but there is none.

[ResoundingMusic]

@NevinJarek So. What is it about Christianity that you dislike so much? What is wrong with It? I mean besides the fact that you don't believe It.

(And thanks for the comment on my channel. :-D)

[NevinJarek]

@ResoundingMusic (continued) that is, observing how some patterns are created in years and others disappear. We have even created fish and dog races by manipulating mating variables. Like the german shepard.

We have created RNA in laboratories, there is no reason to say that life can not be created without divine intervention, biology and genetics are just sciences in diapers, give them more time and we wont just clone.

And the big bang is a christian theory anyways...

[NevinJarek]

@ResoundingMusic And now that I finish with that I must repeat that the fact that we cant fully explain X phenomenon, doesnt prove its your god. Look at the rain, or the sun, or electricity. At first nobody knew what they were, why they happened, people thought someone just created those instantly. Now we know about condensation, about electrons, and about gravity, and now you guys say again someone created those instantly. You have no basis to say that, you are guessing.

[ResoundingMusic]

@NevinJarek We have The Word of God. Another and crucially important debate.

[NevinJarek]

@ResoundingMusic And I dislike christianity for many reasons. For one, its an obstacle to science and progress. Traditions always are. Intolerance to social modernity usually comes from those zones. People that think that genetic investigation is blasphemy, that modern art is blasphemy, ignorant people that discriminate homosexuals and deny modern knowledge like social sciences. Who needs psychology? They have the priest to tell them that life is our punishment! For a crime!

[ResoundingMusic]

@NevinJarek What's wrong with all those things? (Not admitting that Christianity leads to all of them, though some of them it does. But what's wrong with them?)

[ResoundingMusic]

@NevinJarek Again, I disagree. I believe that the evidence and complexity and beauty of creation is irrefutable evidence that there is a Creator. Who that Creator is then goes beyond looking at the "general revelation", the world of God, and into "special revelation", The Word of God.

By your own testability criteria, evolution is not fact. It's only hypothesis. You can't test or repeat history. You accept your account of origins on faith.

[ProvidenceFX]

Powerful and beautiful. Simply one of the best pieces I ever heard from Handel. This composition is so full of knowledge regarding sin and atonement that it breaks deep into my heart. What a wretched disaster sin is since Adam in all manking, and the threatening of everlasting hell separated from God! But even so in Christ shall all be made alive, for those who believe in His Work, (which is enough to save), but bring no works. Just a beautiful superpowerful composition!

[emalag999]

does anybody know whose rendition this is? it's wonderful!

[emalag999]

does anybody know whose rendition this is? it's wonderful!

[tallguy111]

The musicality, and how it compliments the meaning of the words, makes this one of my favorite choruses.

[crob647gtx]

And to think--of Handel's Messiah the only song thats really recognizable to the general public is the Hallelujah chorus. The whole Messiah contains so many absolute jewels including this one, i'm left to wonder how the Hallelujah chorus came to be the face of the Messiah!

[Arsamenes1]

@crob647gtx

During a performance in London, contucted by Händel himself, king George II. was so moved by the Hallelujah that he stood up. Of course the whole audience also had to stand up and so up to today, you can watch the audience stand up during the Hallelujah when it is performed in Britain. Maybe this is a reason why this piece got such an outstanding position. Apart from the fact, that it is the absolute glorification of the majesty of good as ruler of heaven and earth,

[Hatchetman6971]

It is to me the most beautiful music ever written.

[beethov3n]

Divine!

[stok1806]

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[Zakopane20004]

I think I just fell in love

[cooper91]

seriously spine tingling. Pure beauty.

[freeerteee]

Righteous!

[9224addicted9224]

handel's such a genious...this song is sooo awesome!!!

[GosfordAbercrombie]

This is such a contrived performance!!!!

[pockyluv]

I love the Messiah! I loved singing the alto part! :D

[ingdos]

Me too! Unfortunately I'm moving away from my choir (who sings it every other year) but perhaps I'll find someone else who'll put it up :P

[allstatebass]

so moving......such an EXCELLENT interpretation!

[ErickaOwena]

PERFECT

[auroradawn122]

Es mi número preferido del Mesías, es muy emocionante cantarlo.