Second part-phillipians 9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him,and given him a name which is above every name:10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,of things in heaven,and things in earth, and things under the earth;11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,to the glory of God the Father.In the end we all can listen liars & decivers false teachers or GOD HOLY WORD THAT TESTIFY OF CHRIST THE LORD GOD and blind can not see that JESUS title LORD speak of GOD
by clear words of NEW TESTAMENT JESUS CHRIST IS ETERNAL GOD SAVIOR First part-Phillipians 2,5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Is there any way to prove a leap of faith? Believing in any one of the three books written about the same sentient being is a leap of faith. It does not make it a fact, nor should it. Making that leap of faith does not mean that you should ignore the facts that surround us everday. Knowledge is only dangerous to those who wish to control what one has their faith in.
Did a sentient being create and design this universe? That is a question we humans ask ourselves every day, as we occupy an insignificant planet orbiting an insignificant star on the rim of just another galaxy?
it is amazing quran testify of LORD and blind muslims can not see that LORD name testify of LORD JESUS CHRIST who is LORD OF LORDS KING OF KINGS PRINCE OF PEACE o poor blind muslims
@Mancunian786 yes i reading carefully, and i finding clear words where JESUS CHRIST(SON OF MAN) speak that He is Glorified GOD JOHN 13,31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.
@Mancunian786 (1timothy 3,15)16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. reading this verses only blind can not see that speak of JESUS CHRIST(SAVIOR) THE LORD GOD
@Mancunian786 or when is reading description of Jesus Christ 2 coming in (Mathew 24,30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. SON OF MAN HAVE HIS OWN ANGELS THAT HE WILL SENT
@Mancunian786 First part-Revelation 19,11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God(Jesus Christ)
@Mancunian786 Second part-Revelation19,14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. reading this blessed words only blind can not see !
@Mancunian786 Description of Jesus Christ First part- Revelation 1,13And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.14His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
@Mancunian786 Description of Jesus Chris Second part-revelation 1,16And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.17And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me,Fear not; I am the first and the last:18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold,I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. ONLY BLIND CAN NOT SEE
@Mancunian786 let see what HOLY ETERNAL GOD YHWH speak in PSALM 2 7;I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
@Mancunian786 PSALM 2,10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed,ye judges of the earth11 Serve the LORD with fear,and rejoice with trembling.12Kiss the Son,lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. In this psalm LORD GOD YHWH thru mouth of HEBREW KING DAVID announcing that SON WILL ROULE HE WIILL BREAK NATIONS IN 2 COMING BECAUSE OF UNBELIVE AND BLESSED ARE ALL WHO TAKE REFUGE IN SON(CHRIST)
The son of God: We have hardly etched into stone the tenets of the God of Moses, when here comes the SON of God. Jesus. What does he do when he finally takes mortal form? Some David Blainish exhibits of power. Great. I want to spend eternity with this guy.
@Hypothermia333 Eh, first of all, Moses's "tenets" weren't barely etched, the time between the two is significant. Secondly, whether or not it's David Blainish, I've never seen David Blaine cure blindness... I have seen him walk on water(with tension wire) but really, these are just generalizations, used to denote something. I get that you don't like it, but these aren't really reasonable arguments, so much as pouting.
What if the planets each have an intelligence of their own, but are so large and on such a slow time scale, that we cannot appreciate their intelligence? I mean, yeah it's a bit of a long shot, but someone has to ask the question...otherwise we'd never know for certain.
@Hypothermia333 Well, because there is nothing to support that idea. In objective inquiry, you first have to have some frame of reference before an hypothesis can be entertained. Planets as far as we can tell, don't demonstrate sentience. On the other hand, all matter being in quantifiable measurements, is interesting, because mathematics as is the case with any language, requires some level of intelligence. Of course, that kind of God, may not satisfy some folks.
than answers. It is only by asking questions that one will ever find answers... Or maybe that's just meaningless rhetoric. Can the mind find answers without asking questions? Let's hear from the Muslims.
anecdotal accounts of historical events. Science doesn't know everything though. Think of where we'll be another 2000 years from now. There are still many mysteries that remain unsolved, that will be discovered. What is common today would have been considered nothing if not miraculous during biblical times. These aren't supernatural mysteries, they are perfectly natural, and what may be considered incredible today, may be taken for granted tomorrow. Generally, I still have many more questions
I don't even like to think the term "God" for all of its associations and connotations, much less speak of it as if it were something concrete which just so happens to be my buddy and protector. It isn't difficult to forget about such a vague concept as "God," but other existential questions and premises are more difficult to dismiss. Yeah, lately science tells us what to believe, and not religion. Why? Because science is grounded in systematic observation and experimentation, more reliable than
These are school boy questions, i bet that atheist was kicking himself all the way home. Science has determined that the universe isn't eternal. The Stars will eventually pitter out, that's not the same as the universe not being eternal. the arrogance of the religious. "Oh you don't understand, well I do, God did it!" For thousands of years the religious have pulled this shitty logic and idiots have fallen in line.
Life can seem strange and beautiful; it can also at times seem tragic and meaningless. Regardless, whether by complete random chance, or by some power or intelligence higher than ourselves, life itself exists, and is incredible and miraculous in its organization. Any student of science; anyone who looks deeply within themselves, knows this to be true. Just as a cell in an organism lives life on its own scale with no knowledge of the greater reason, so we humans must be part of a greater pattern.
@Hypothermia333 Why can't people accept that we're just one big fat mistake and appreciate that. Why are people so desperate for more? I can understand if life has treated you badly, but for those that have loved and been loved, why are you so desperate to cheapen that, just accept the short, meaningless yet beautiful wonder that is it.
It will sound odd to you, but there is a language hidden within the aethereal light, or whatever you want to call it, the fuzzy static of greens and purples at night. So far I haven't been able to decipher it, but there are "cells" within the "strands" of light/vibrations, which contain characters of an unknown origin (simply meaning that I can't tell what language it is, but it looks similar to Greek/Hebrew/western characters). Maybe I'm seeing a binary code for the mind, or for all existence.
This is the vision I had when I was 18 years old, anyway. I'm not sure if I believe it or not. "God" doesn't seem to hear me when I speak to him. It seems like the insight and intuition I once had has run dry. Still, no one else has found the answers, and science has yet to uncover other mysteries which introspection has revealed to me, such as aether--which I have found a way to prove, or at least test, if I only had money and equipment. I just don't know, I'm very skeptical about everything.
I've always said that the universe came from zero...wouldn't it have to start from nothing, then to one, then two, and so on? From nothing, a spark of the most minute potential would represent the opposite of the stasis and void... light, life, being. 0 and 1 = 2 forces once the ineffable light is born...which would've likely been a few nanoseconds after eternity began. These opposing, yet complimentary forces created the chain of events we call life and existence, and is why all things come in
@aimoto I agree... to say we dont know so god did it would be god of the gaps. However upon conceptual analysis when we analyse the nature of the cause that put our universe into existence we see it aligns directly with the islamic proposition of god. This was generally outlined in some of the other videos but i will upload more videos outlining this solid argument more clearly. Thanks for your thoughts.
@HaroonQureshi89 "If that was really true then an elephant could pop in the middle of the street" - which is what you have to believe if you're a theist ie. someone who believes in an interventionist God who performs miracles. You've contradicted yourself - unless you're a deist.
The cause of the universe is a problem that has had humans puzzled since ever. Lack of an answer to this question doesn't entail that God must exist: we simply don't know yet. What theists fail to understand is that God is not a NECESSARY factor to understand and explain the matters of this world.
Well he forgets that to use god as an explanation for the universe he must explain how an all-powerful, sentient being just happen to exist for no reason.
@ybra According to Islam God has no start, nor end. The question is simple; do you believe that in this physical universe things can arise from nothing... or that they are caused (in other words have an origin).
@MrAirtyme Well it might turn out that the total energy of the universe is 0, as gravity can have negative energy. So it might have arisen out of nothing. Or the energy of the universe might have always existed in some form.
I don't believe either way, I await for science to figure it out and maybe the answer will be god and maybe it wont.
But for now I don't see how god answers anything, as the question still is why is there a god rather then nothing?
Sorry but if Allah is a person His mind can only operate due to mental change. Mental change is non-random change. Non-random change necessitates cause and effect. Cause and effect necessitate a separation by time.
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Second part-phillipians 9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him,and given him a name which is above every name:10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,of things in heaven,and things in earth, and things under the earth;11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,to the glory of God the Father.In the end we all can listen liars & decivers false teachers or GOD HOLY WORD THAT TESTIFY OF CHRIST THE LORD GOD and blind can not see that JESUS title LORD speak of GOD
mRwhite298 15 hours ago
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by clear words of NEW TESTAMENT JESUS CHRIST IS ETERNAL GOD SAVIOR First part-Phillipians 2,5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
mRwhite298 15 hours ago
Is there any way to prove a leap of faith? Believing in any one of the three books written about the same sentient being is a leap of faith. It does not make it a fact, nor should it. Making that leap of faith does not mean that you should ignore the facts that surround us everday. Knowledge is only dangerous to those who wish to control what one has their faith in.
CanisLupusDesertMoon 6 days ago
Did a sentient being create and design this universe? That is a question we humans ask ourselves every day, as we occupy an insignificant planet orbiting an insignificant star on the rim of just another galaxy?
CanisLupusDesertMoon 6 days ago
it is amazing quran testify of LORD and blind muslims can not see that LORD name testify of LORD JESUS CHRIST who is LORD OF LORDS KING OF KINGS PRINCE OF PEACE o poor blind muslims
mRwhite298 1 week ago
@mRwhite298 jesus never said he was GOD.
read you bible carefully. jesus is NOT GOD.
Mancunian786 17 hours ago
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@Mancunian786 yes i reading carefully, and i finding clear words where JESUS CHRIST(SON OF MAN) speak that He is Glorified GOD JOHN 13,31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.
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@Mancunian786 (1timothy 3,15)16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. reading this verses only blind can not see that speak of JESUS CHRIST(SAVIOR) THE LORD GOD
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@Mancunian786 or when is reading description of Jesus Christ 2 coming in (Mathew 24,30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. SON OF MAN HAVE HIS OWN ANGELS THAT HE WILL SENT
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@Mancunian786 First part-Revelation 19,11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God(Jesus Christ)
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@Mancunian786 Second part-Revelation19,14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. reading this blessed words only blind can not see !
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@Mancunian786 Description of Jesus Christ First part- Revelation 1,13And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.14His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
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@Mancunian786 Description of Jesus Chris Second part-revelation 1,16And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.17And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me,Fear not; I am the first and the last:18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold,I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. ONLY BLIND CAN NOT SEE
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@Mancunian786 let see what HOLY ETERNAL GOD YHWH speak in PSALM 2 7;I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
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@Mancunian786 PSALM 2,10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed,ye judges of the earth11 Serve the LORD with fear,and rejoice with trembling.12Kiss the Son,lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. In this psalm LORD GOD YHWH thru mouth of HEBREW KING DAVID announcing that SON WILL ROULE HE WIILL BREAK NATIONS IN 2 COMING BECAUSE OF UNBELIVE AND BLESSED ARE ALL WHO TAKE REFUGE IN SON(CHRIST)
mRwhite298 15 hours ago
How can I trust a comments discussion when comments get deleted? If the goal here is indeed honest debate then stop censoring comments.
Here4Years 1 week ago
The son of God: We have hardly etched into stone the tenets of the God of Moses, when here comes the SON of God. Jesus. What does he do when he finally takes mortal form? Some David Blainish exhibits of power. Great. I want to spend eternity with this guy.
Hypothermia333 2 weeks ago
@Hypothermia333 Eh, first of all, Moses's "tenets" weren't barely etched, the time between the two is significant. Secondly, whether or not it's David Blainish, I've never seen David Blaine cure blindness... I have seen him walk on water(with tension wire) but really, these are just generalizations, used to denote something. I get that you don't like it, but these aren't really reasonable arguments, so much as pouting.
elementalsoul86 2 weeks ago
What if the planets each have an intelligence of their own, but are so large and on such a slow time scale, that we cannot appreciate their intelligence? I mean, yeah it's a bit of a long shot, but someone has to ask the question...otherwise we'd never know for certain.
Hypothermia333 2 weeks ago
@Hypothermia333 Well, because there is nothing to support that idea. In objective inquiry, you first have to have some frame of reference before an hypothesis can be entertained. Planets as far as we can tell, don't demonstrate sentience. On the other hand, all matter being in quantifiable measurements, is interesting, because mathematics as is the case with any language, requires some level of intelligence. Of course, that kind of God, may not satisfy some folks.
elementalsoul86 2 weeks ago
than answers. It is only by asking questions that one will ever find answers... Or maybe that's just meaningless rhetoric. Can the mind find answers without asking questions? Let's hear from the Muslims.
Hypothermia333 2 weeks ago
anecdotal accounts of historical events. Science doesn't know everything though. Think of where we'll be another 2000 years from now. There are still many mysteries that remain unsolved, that will be discovered. What is common today would have been considered nothing if not miraculous during biblical times. These aren't supernatural mysteries, they are perfectly natural, and what may be considered incredible today, may be taken for granted tomorrow. Generally, I still have many more questions
Hypothermia333 2 weeks ago
I don't even like to think the term "God" for all of its associations and connotations, much less speak of it as if it were something concrete which just so happens to be my buddy and protector. It isn't difficult to forget about such a vague concept as "God," but other existential questions and premises are more difficult to dismiss. Yeah, lately science tells us what to believe, and not religion. Why? Because science is grounded in systematic observation and experimentation, more reliable than
Hypothermia333 2 weeks ago
These are school boy questions, i bet that atheist was kicking himself all the way home. Science has determined that the universe isn't eternal. The Stars will eventually pitter out, that's not the same as the universe not being eternal. the arrogance of the religious. "Oh you don't understand, well I do, God did it!" For thousands of years the religious have pulled this shitty logic and idiots have fallen in line.
TheAtheistFuture 2 weeks ago
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You don't believe in god? Why?
Well... I don't have a nice pointy beard, like yours.
Rocketryman 2 weeks ago
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Rocketryman 2 weeks ago
Life can seem strange and beautiful; it can also at times seem tragic and meaningless. Regardless, whether by complete random chance, or by some power or intelligence higher than ourselves, life itself exists, and is incredible and miraculous in its organization. Any student of science; anyone who looks deeply within themselves, knows this to be true. Just as a cell in an organism lives life on its own scale with no knowledge of the greater reason, so we humans must be part of a greater pattern.
Hypothermia333 2 weeks ago
@Hypothermia333 Why can't people accept that we're just one big fat mistake and appreciate that. Why are people so desperate for more? I can understand if life has treated you badly, but for those that have loved and been loved, why are you so desperate to cheapen that, just accept the short, meaningless yet beautiful wonder that is it.
TheAtheistFuture 2 weeks ago
@TheAtheistFuture I agree with you.
Hypothermia333 2 weeks ago
@TheAtheistFuture
That is exactly the way things seem to be.
Few people desperately want it to be that way but the world around us just does not justify concluding anything else.
killer4hire 1 day ago
It will sound odd to you, but there is a language hidden within the aethereal light, or whatever you want to call it, the fuzzy static of greens and purples at night. So far I haven't been able to decipher it, but there are "cells" within the "strands" of light/vibrations, which contain characters of an unknown origin (simply meaning that I can't tell what language it is, but it looks similar to Greek/Hebrew/western characters). Maybe I'm seeing a binary code for the mind, or for all existence.
Hypothermia333 2 weeks ago
@Hypothermia333 - No.. Not odd. More like...
CRAZY!
Rocketryman 2 weeks ago
This is the vision I had when I was 18 years old, anyway. I'm not sure if I believe it or not. "God" doesn't seem to hear me when I speak to him. It seems like the insight and intuition I once had has run dry. Still, no one else has found the answers, and science has yet to uncover other mysteries which introspection has revealed to me, such as aether--which I have found a way to prove, or at least test, if I only had money and equipment. I just don't know, I'm very skeptical about everything.
Hypothermia333 2 weeks ago
...pairs.
Hypothermia333 2 weeks ago
I've always said that the universe came from zero...wouldn't it have to start from nothing, then to one, then two, and so on? From nothing, a spark of the most minute potential would represent the opposite of the stasis and void... light, life, being. 0 and 1 = 2 forces once the ineffable light is born...which would've likely been a few nanoseconds after eternity began. These opposing, yet complimentary forces created the chain of events we call life and existence, and is why all things come in
Hypothermia333 2 weeks ago
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rudeboywaz 3 weeks ago
@aimoto I agree... to say we dont know so god did it would be god of the gaps. However upon conceptual analysis when we analyse the nature of the cause that put our universe into existence we see it aligns directly with the islamic proposition of god. This was generally outlined in some of the other videos but i will upload more videos outlining this solid argument more clearly. Thanks for your thoughts.
HaroonQureshi89 3 weeks ago
@HaroonQureshi89 Can I just thank you for not censoring comments,
like most of Hamza´s videos uploaded on Youtube,
as a guy studying Physics in University, I was told to come on here and do rebuttals but most of them are just censored. apart from Yours.
izaccy 1 week ago
@izaccy No problem, I only remove comments that are abusive. :)
HaroonQureshi89 1 week ago
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strangestdude 3 days ago
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@HaroonQureshi89 "If that was really true then an elephant could pop in the middle of the street" - which is what you have to believe if you're a theist ie. someone who believes in an interventionist God who performs miracles. You've contradicted yourself - unless you're a deist.
strangestdude 3 days ago
The cause of the universe is a problem that has had humans puzzled since ever. Lack of an answer to this question doesn't entail that God must exist: we simply don't know yet. What theists fail to understand is that God is not a NECESSARY factor to understand and explain the matters of this world.
SiberiusX 3 weeks ago 2
@SiberiusX - Hey remember when the world was flat. :-)
Rocketryman 2 weeks ago
Well he forgets that to use god as an explanation for the universe he must explain how an all-powerful, sentient being just happen to exist for no reason.
ybra 4 weeks ago
@ybra According to Islam God has no start, nor end. The question is simple; do you believe that in this physical universe things can arise from nothing... or that they are caused (in other words have an origin).
MrAirtyme 4 weeks ago
@MrAirtyme Well it might turn out that the total energy of the universe is 0, as gravity can have negative energy. So it might have arisen out of nothing. Or the energy of the universe might have always existed in some form.
I don't believe either way, I await for science to figure it out and maybe the answer will be god and maybe it wont.
But for now I don't see how god answers anything, as the question still is why is there a god rather then nothing?
ybra 3 weeks ago
@MrAirtyme
God has no start?
But why and how is that possible?
killer4hire 1 day ago
@killer4hire the character of god are free from the flow off time, space, and matter. all things created have this kind of character..
fencutematrik 11 hours ago
@fencutematrik
Sorry but if Allah is a person His mind can only operate due to mental change. Mental change is non-random change. Non-random change necessitates cause and effect. Cause and effect necessitate a separation by time.
Ergo: Allah does not and cannot exist.
killer4hire 9 hours ago
Sceptic listens to a muslim would be the correct title. The truth is, there is no debate on display here.
scepticVseptic 4 weeks ago
Believing a supernatural cause to the universe is a superstition.
Supernatural is another way of saying impossible.
To favor one impossibility over another is delusional.
Something from nothing happens temporarily, so I think that is a reasonable explanation.
unkledanbot 4 weeks ago
There's absolutely no reason to believe that the universe was started by a creator, intelligence, supernatural force, god or deity.
RationalConclusion 4 weeks ago