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[MrRambo438]

must sick the guy jumped but think the traon would topple on top off him rip if he/she died

[rabricci2]

aw hes dead



[gebass6]

For those interested in the TRUTH,Google HQ-2006-48.This is the official NTSB report.Read it two or three times to get the facts of the incident.Not conjecture.

[fyadcorp]

rad

[SuperDuckman24]

was anyone hurt

[doubleslottedflaps]

if only the engineer in the camera train had not slowed down at minimum his locomotive would not have gotten hit cause it would have gotten a liitle ways down the siding.

[AndyJay15]

Looks closely at 0:42. The driver of the uncoming train jumps out.

[UP9390]

The crew must have fallen asleep not too far away from the junction because the alerter would have triggerd the emergency brakes because of the controls not being moved. unless someone planned it by sabotaging the alerter.

[Boss302fan]

Excuse me? Which crew are you talking about? How do you know the controls weren't being moved?

[THR33STEP]

@UP9390 sabotaging the alerter? YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. THE ALERTER WOULD NOT PUT THE TRAIN INTO EMERGENCY. DON'T KNOW FOR SURE??? THEN DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL.

[youngestpilotinGa]

hay at least it wasent a eczactly head on crash

[burner50]

EDIT: I'm sorry I had the name wrong.

I just finished reading thru the FRA's accident report on this wreck. The train the camera is on (Train 2) did nothing wrong. The train that you can see from the camera (train 1) was at fault. The engineer does not appear to have been asleep as he whistled for a crossing, made throttle adjustments, and acknowledged the alerter. They claimed signal problems and sun glare as the reason they did not see the signal. The cocaine in CON on #2 was not a factor.

[Boss302fan]

Exactly. While having cocaine in his system is inexcusable, it was not a factor in this accident.

Whether he was asleep or just 'messed up', the engineer on the train without the camera is at fault. I must admit a time or two I have also broken out in a sweat when a heavy train I was braking did not react as I thought it should.

[metaphaze82]

I'm a conductor on the UP out here in Wyoming, and this is my worst fear...

[trains1994]

...trips it causing it to turn red. The crew on the other train fell asleep and woke up 400 feet away from the switch and put the train in full emergency braking (Notice the heavy smoke coming off the sides of the oncoming train?). The oncoming train's conductor was reported to have cocain in his system.

[trains1994]

Let me tell all who is wondering what happen here what happened.... The engine that we are viewing from has the right of way. The signal that we see in the first of the video is double yellow, which in BNSF signal terms is rule 9.54, Approach. "Proceed, prepard to stop at next signal. No more than 40 MPH." The train is supposed to take the siding at the crash site, and has the right of way to do so. The other train is to stop, notice that the signal on our train is Green until the other train...

[burner50]

That is incorrect.

You quoted the rule for an Approach signal. The double yellow is an approach diverging. Basically this means proceed prepared to take diverging route at prescribed speed.

[Burnoutmaster1]

Look closley at the train that did not wait at :42, u can see the conductor jumping out

[atomtomtoma]

Was the train that overran supposed to stop at the signals which are only 20 or 30 yards from the junction? It doesn't give much room for error, does it?

[someonehasposted]

There's nothing wrong or unusual with the track and signal layout. Trains take a long time to stop which is why there is always an advance signal warning that the next one will require them to stop. But assuming an engineer is in control of his/her train there is no problem stopping where desired. Don't forget it's not required that they stop on a dime right by the signal. It can be hundred feet back, whatever. As long as the rear of the train clears the switch at the far end of the siding.

[atomtomtoma]

The system is slightly different over here, I think. Signals in England are generally placed a couple of hundred yards from what they're protecting rather than just a couple of yards as in your video. This allows a bit more room before the situation becomes really dangerous if someone does 'fall asleep at the wheel'

[Boss302fan]

The locomotive with the camera had a clear signal approximately a mile away. The train approaching the locomotive with the camera did not foul the switch until seconds before the crash. The signal system worked fine.

[screaminfiero]

WOW, that is so scary...I'm a conductor, I wouldn't know what to do but to dump the train and jump off. I don't even know if I would really have time to react to that. From what I saw, the crew with the view we see must of had the right away and the other crew must not have seen their signal or what. Probably like you all said they fell asleep. If you look closely you can see one of the guys jump off the engine at the last second to the left of the video.

[cm45400]

If these are anything like our units, the reason you dont hear the crew yelling is because the mic is actually under the unit, not in the cab. They are put there for things like reviews after a crossing accident, to see if you whistled properly, etc.

[spunbearing65]

Where's the "OH SHIT!!!"

The crew was too quiet.

[CSXSD70M]

WOW! What I herd was that the crew of the train that was supposed to wait jumped and the crew of the train that the video was in ran back to the second unit! i don't know how true that is cause of how little time they had to realize what was going to happen.

[cjzz]

I wonder why your version is getting more plays than mine? Hmmm!

[nshogger]

I think the webmaster needs to get on a train and see the world from the cab even though we "may just sit there". (as stated in his previous post) Our mind is never there. We are thinking about the million other things going on around us, air pressure, speed, weather, slack, weight, rules, radio chatter, etc. I suggest you try it sometime, because it is quite different than the old geep on a 10 mph tourist railroad. By the way, isn't this video RR/federal property?

[Scottrr]

Why would the video be federal/rr property? I can see it being RR property but once it's released for the investigation it becomes public knowledge, since anyone can get a copy of the final NTSB report.

It is also on the UTU website, more sounds, better quality.

[Redlance71]

It's a trajedy. Some say they'd jump. I'd say HELL NO!. You don't got much protection flying in the wind for 1 sec then rolling in the ballast for 5, then praying while your ankels are shattered that yours(or sometimes the other's)train does not derail on top of you. I'm an engineer. Cabs are supposed to break away on impact. More protection in a cab anyways. Rule of thumb, if you can't get up and run away from it, don't jump.

[hemiharvester]

It seems there are ALOT of comments on here from people who really know very little about REAL trains and REAL railroads. Assumming things can make a ASS out of you and it proves just that with a lot of these comments. This is a very serious accident, I'm truthfully surprised it don't happen more, knowing what I know. YES lets think about the Engineers and the conductors and how this affects there lifes and there families .

[Arpeggioshredder]

Can you tell us where this happened?

[nssd70m2]

Right when the camera is a 0:42 you can see the engineer or conductor jump of the left side of the train!

[Oldcrotch]

I would like to see more of what happens after the screen goes blue.

[moutrayiv]

I would venture to guess that "webmaster" is just another foamer. Blowing reds is not good for anybody, I don't care how "cool" it looks on camera. Lucky for those guys nobody was hurt. They have the lives of their coworkers, the public and themselves in those hands. I just dont think people understand the magnitude of that....

[ds8192]

Screw-ups suck for everyone. Most people don't bother thinking past the equipment. Trains have crews, and crews have families to feed and bills to pay. For every guy that can't go back to work, there's a family that suddenly has to worry where the next meal comes from or if they're keeping the house, and for every guy that gets killed there's a new widow who has to cope and a set of kids that will never have their daddy back. It's more than just the metal - Don't forget it!

[crown8480]

WHOOOPPPSSS!!!!!

[guitars14]

wow, thats scary. cool video.

[MikeyP15181518]

All you people have no idea....

[frrswebmaster]

Enlighten us then

[MikeyP15181518]

Ever been through a head-on that wasn't your fault?

[frrswebmaster]

Your point?

[MikeyP15181518]

I've been through a head-on and lived...that's my point...I doubt you've ever seen something as horrifying as a meet smoking a red signal and tearing off your side of the cab....Whats the use of this anyway? I'm arguing with someone who needs "webmaster" in his title to feel all powerful. I'm done here

[frrswebmaster]

Ok Junior...For starters you have no clue who I am. First..by profession I am a retired Paramedic who has seen a crapload more blood and gore than you can even dream of. IE While you sit in the cab as you are supposed to do..I am the guy who scraped the kid off the front of your locomotive so you would not have to see it. Second FRRS Webmaster is my user name simply because I am the Webmaster of the FRRS, We operate the Western Pacific Railroad Museum in Portola CA.

[MikeyP15181518]

You have no idea who I am either, and I'd like to keep it that way. Instead of playing the game "Who's the Bigger Martyr?", I'm going to walk away and be done. Have fun at the Feather River Railroad Society. At least you can pretend you know about RailroadING. Here endith the lesson. Don't expect another response from me.

[frrswebmaster]

I do not pretend anything...you ASSume too much

[oat324]

I would think someone in a cab being hit by another heavy object such as another train is much more PAINFUL!!!!!!!!!!! Mikey wins.

[frrswebmaster]

no one was in either cab when the 2 locomotives hit. that is why there were on fatalities

[oat324]

They were there and whether the equipment they were in derailed or not, I bet it was close to a heart attack in being scared. I mean, ambulance/ambulance compared to heavy train/heavy train. And that is my two cents, good luck to all in this debate.

[hireddutchcutthroat]

My biggest fear is "sleepers". The FRA really needs to step in and enforce our hours of service and not let our employers make it a bench mark as to how long they can force us to work.

[M3Galaxie]

I think it's interesting how if this was a movie they would probably be honking the heck out of their horns instead both trains are silent.

[delamaize]

it is because they both bailed out, you can see the one engeneer bail at about 41 seconds to the right of the Loco. (our Left) th eonly thing you can do at that point is drop it in to emergency and jump!

[senorklepto]

They're silent because there's no point in sounding the horn. Cars honk because they can alert other drivers and pedestrians to get out of their way. Trains can't get out of the way.

[Travislamuu]

Yes! I see him. As soon as they realized their fucked, he probabally woke the conductor by screaming "HEY JOHN, GET UP WERE ABOUT TO CRASH"...."OH SHIT......GET OUT THAT DOOR HURRY" *APPLIES EMERGENCY BRAKE* *RUNS OUT DOOR* *HANGS ON FOR DEAL LIFE AND THEY BOTH JUMP OFF THE SIDE BREAKING THEIR LEGS AND PUNCTURING A LEFT LUNG*....

What really surprises me is, why didn't the train topple on them? What happened to the engineer & conductor that was operating the train that had the cam

[studogg120]

I heard from another source that they both rode it out. The pictures from after the crash are amazing. Both cabs were completely torn in half.

[frrswebmaster]

Both trains had 3 man crews, on the one train, the guy woke up, plugged the train and bailed...the other 2 ran back to the rear units...the train with the Camera did the same thing, they dumped the air and ran back to the rear units...all 6 survived

[NCStL576]

Engineer: OH CRAP!

[snuggles106]

Does anyone else see a crewmember jumping at about 41 seconds?

[harwetopa]

Yep.

[snuggles106]

I have the full tape of it, I got it from a BNSF maintenance worker.

[Mybabymommy]

so post it dude!

[frrswebmaster]

You are not missing much, I have the full copy as well, there is nothing different other than there are more crash sounds after the collision has happened

[ajhdbsteam]

WTF!?!?!?!?

[w1cny]

How can I download and save this video ?

[frrswebmaster]

this won;t let me put in a URL, but contact me through my ID and I'll send you a link where you can download a copy

[Gloriousnse]

Wouldn't have made any difference with the amount of warning they got...

[operationuranus]

he should have put the pedal to the medal...

[wsordave]

trains don't accelerate like your car...

[ns2701]

The engineer on the train that ran the signal on the main tested positive for cocaine shortly after.

[dandydan2000]

I heard he was doing it when the crash happened. In fact there was cocaine scattered around the cab of the locomotive. it was billowing out the windows afterwards. There was alcohol too. And guns.

[studogg120]

that was smoke from the brakes

[novacat2323]

Ns 2701 and Dandydan200 you two are idiots ...no drugs or alchohol were involved simple.. i t was a simple case of all three crew members on the train without the cam being tired and falling asleep.... period...

[BuddyBurton]

Very scary, talk about a nightmare.

[tskilbride]

At the time of impact, one train was doing 22MPH and the other was doing

38MPH.All five reporting injuries, of the five, one tested positive for

drugs.

[frrswebmaster]

The amount that showed up was trace, Drugs were not a factor in this collision. The Factor was crew fatigue. All 3 crew in the oncoming train had fallen asleep and missed the approach signals that told them to stop their train properly in the block

[BNSF4924]

If the crew had fallen asleep though, the alerter should have gone off and shortly after put the train into emergency.

[studogg120]

you mean continuous service?

[novacat2323]

some retards know how to disable the alerter sadly...