Pastor Tony Smith Gets Money! (2 of 2)

[BogusJesus]

The Law was set up by the Levites so that they would benefit and live off the people. Why do we need a middle man to talk to God? Only dumb people fall for this BS.

[BogusJesus]

Ask your pastor this and see if he can answer. If God existed why did he create the devil? Did God not know the devil would turn out to be evil? I thought God knew all things before they happen. If he did not know, he cannot be God. Why create something evil? God knew the devil was going to turn evil and created him anyway. Am I lying Tony Smith?

[Checkmate10000]

@BogusJesus God stated in the Bible that he created evil. What a dumb question. You are acting as if you are on to something when you are completely IGNORANT. You are obviously not qualified to engage in this conversation. Please stop commenting behind me.

[BogusJesus]

@Checkmate10000, what makes you qualified? You cannot even pose a question in the form of a sentence.

[BogusJesus]

@Checkmate10000, I was not even asking you a question.

[BogusJesus]

@Checkmate10000, and futher more STFU! You don't pay for my internet or my computer.

[Checkmate10000]

@BogusJesus you are so right. i don't, but your ignorance is deplorable, that's why I asked you to stop commenting after me. I even said please. Seeing how much time you spend on a small time preacher like Tony Smith, I can see why you can't help but to keep going. Its quite sad, but oh well. You're not the first.

[BogusJesus]

How come the Apostle Paul, know "what the Lord ordained". Remember the Apostle Paul was not one of the original 12.

[Checkmate10000]

@BogusJesus What does Paul not being a part of the original 12 have to do with anything? Judas was in the original 12, so obviously that isn't good enough. His story about the vision, being chosen by Jesus and all, is all in Acts, which, by the way, wasn't written by Paul. Think about it.

[BogusJesus]

@Checkmate10000, the apostle paul is reason why we have have church and church government. who wrote the book of acts? who cares. Are you going to believe a man who claims to have a vision?

[Checkmate10000]

@BogusJesus ok....if you say so....you obviously don't understand (much less, believe) the Bible if you are making statements like that. Never it all.....

[BogusJesus]

@Checkmate10000, the Sanhedrin council wrote the bible. Nothing but a bunch of Jewish lawyers. Why should I believe them? Shame on Tony Smith, he knows this and got you all tricked.

[Checkmate10000]

@BogusJesus your ignorance is starting to make more and more sense to me. Im glad u still talk even though i said "never mind it all." make sure u mention the Council of Nicea, the Council of Constantinople and that King James was gay too..

All people who don't understand how God is still able to get his truth out despite these past events use these EXCUSES not to obey, so please, keep talking..

[BogusJesus]

@Checkmate10000, just like a a slave you want to obey your master. Who is really ignorant here? Religion is mental slavery. Unshackle your mind.

[MsKar1]

If I was a member of his Church I will plant a seed in the Ministry..I truly believe in giving to God's house. who ever have a problem with that, Talk to God about it, and he will answer your question. It's in the scripture, but some people are not going to understand that until God give them their spiritual gifts, You have to trust God and don't give out of a grumbling heart. Give freely...Bless the Word of God..If your spirits not right DON'T GIVE...

[BogusJesus]

Why should people who struggle and can barely support themselves, support an able bodied man who can work. He only works 8 hours on a Saturday and 8 hours on a Sunday. That is part time not full time. 

[MrPrincekinggreen]

I must emphasize from the outset that some money is needed to operate ministry..

But the Apostles didn't teach this 10% mandate of giving as many preacher's are doing. The new testament principle for giving is laid out in the book of Corinthian's

11 Corinthian's 9:6-15 So for a preacher to try and go back to the law and pull out Tithing is out of order. Malachi 3:8 is not talking to the new testament Church. Many preacher's try manipulate people with this scripture..

[gregthesenior12]

"For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself SERVANT unto all, that I might GAIN the more" 1 Cor 9:19

[gregthesenior12]

In sum...YahscChild you are a fool. Start readiung the scripture for yourself my brother. This scripture below obliterates your video. Go ahead ad delete me comments because you can't rock with the scriptures bud.

[yahschild87]

@gregthesenior12

You apparently want some attention from me, so I'll give you one comment's worth.

The more you talk, the more you make yourself look foolish. You are too ignorant to recognize that we are using the King James Version. So please, keep talking.

Peace.

[gregthesenior12]

What the...Number one he's reading out of the NIV which has twisted every scipture. Number two 1 tim 5:7 speaks on widows and elders which should be treated respectufully..also men who should take care of there own. Look at the KJV and weep.

1 Cor 9-->" 18What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ WITHOUT charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel. TONY SMITH IS SOOOO FALSE . WAKE UP!!

[odephraimchai]

I can ,he is a false prophet which speak against the word of Yahweh given to Yahshua and than given to the 12 real Apostle.

[Checkmate10000]

Prove it with the Bible, not your mouth, please.

[gregthesenior12]

1 Cor 9--->

18What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ WITHOUTcharge, that I ABUSE NOT my power in the gospel. KJV

I dare you to make a squeak. FOOL. I dare you or any body hear that follows this clown to challenge this. Tony smith didnt read the punchline below because he know all of you are bible FOOLS and just want somebody to yell and get you excited. READ THE SCRIPTURE FOR YOURSEVES !!!!!

[Checkmate10000]

Hey dumdum, they are reading the KJV. Pay attention! You missed 1 Cor. 9:11. What you wrote does NOT condemn a full time preacher (with a wife and children mind you, which Paul didnt have) from receiving support from the church. And he goes over 1 Tim. 5 in part 1. PAY ATTENTION. Why dont you talk about how he maxed out his credit cards to keep the church going, or how he took a pay cut to go full time, or how his members receive financial help. Hmm...you wont.

[BogusJesus]

@Checkmate10000, typical sob story of any struggling church, struggling membership, struggling preacher. i was a treasurer of a 100 member chuch bacck in the 90's and it was the same thing the preacher preaching. if the preacher is broke he needs to find him a job just like other working people do.

[Checkmate10000]

@BogusJesus Im sure, to you, that sounds real good, but obviously you didn't read where I said to prove it with the Bible and not your mouth. And being a REAL pastor IS work. Obviously you have no experience with such, otherwise you would realize that. Unless you have Bible, please don't respond, and thats not just you, thats for everyone..

[BogusJesus]

@Checkmate10000, What kind of work, does a REAL pastor do?

Most don't pay taxes, SSI or Medicare. Most get housing and car allowance to avoid paying taxes on full income.

The most they do is a prepare sermons for wednesday night and sunday and council a few people. That is it. Here is bible if you need it; "if a man does not work he should not eat."

Religion is nothing more than, greed, power, control and money.

[Checkmate10000]

@BogusJesus Like I said, your lack of experience with a REAL pastor would cause you to fail to comprehend anything I would say. Just because the Government gives preachers breaks means that they don't work? What about visiting the sick? What about constant prayer for the members? Thats not a 9-5 so its not "work," u right. Lets not mention him maxing his card's (debt) and members receiving financial help, and all that other stuff. He doesn't have a 9-5...

[BogusJesus]

@Checkmate10000, I use to be a treasurer for a church for a real pastor for more than 30 years. I quit because I got tired of the BS. I know what I am talking about. For your information praying is not work. Most of the preachers don't do squat. They want to collect a check like the rest of us for doing nothing.

[BogusJesus]

@Checkmate10000, I use to be a treasurer for a church for a real pastor for more than 30 years. I quit because I got tired of the BS. I know what I am talking about. For your information praying is not work. Most of the preachers don't do squat. They want to collect a check like the rest of us and do nothing. Most of us who work would like to collect a check for doing nothing, but that does not happen in the real world.

[Checkmate10000]

@BogusJesus Thank you for proving my point. You failed to comprehend anything I could possible say about a REAL pastor. Your 30 years of experience at a false church has obviously given you an opinion. I too grew up in false churches so I can't blame you at all, and we can agree that most do just want money. However, those are not REAL pastors, as you just called the ones that made u "tired of the BS." the fact it took u over 30 years to quit amazes me tho.

[1BroJames]

God, Himself could come and tell these people they are wrong and they will not listen, because their god, is the Almighty Dollar!

[1BroJames]

Smith is a liar by tasking the scriptures out of their context, not one of the verses he uses speaks about money, but when you listen to him, it is all about money. This is deceitful and just a boldface lie!

[1BroJames]

Checkmate10000, you are the one avoiding the questions! Give one verse of Scripture from the Bible where God ordained any preist, Apostle, Pastor, or any one else to collect money for themselves and not the poor! You can not!

[Checkmate10000]

For the last time, if you don't watch the video, then don't talk. I'm not about to give that which is Holy to dogs if you don't even take the time to watch it. What you don't realize is that you're argument is irrelevant b/c he addresses everything you're trying to condemn him on and more. Now im not gonna waste time typing what he talks about. You don't want to watch it b/c you know he's right. You still can't even condemn a church supporting their full time pastor and his family

[1BroJames]

I do not need to watch on listen too a person for 2, 10, 15, or 60 minutes to realize what type of person it is! I could not listen to this man that long, period!

[1BroJames]

God destroyed the temple in Jerusalem and that shows us that emphasis placed on a building is not what God intended, but you are the temple of God and each person in God are the building blocks that make up the church. Gopd does not require his people to support and pay for a building, nor the cost to operate a building! If the people choose to then that is their choice, but do not use that as a reason to exploit money from people. Share the costs equally, pastor included.

[Checkmate10000]

And unless you gather outside, you will need to be in a building, which incurs costs one way or another. You must be at a literal church in the wilderness to believe otherwise.

And seriously, if you speak again without actually watching these videos, then I have nothing else to say, because you will see what the man really teaches on the subject. Dont watch less than 1/10 of a video and claim you know what Tony Smith's intentions are. That is VERY stupid.

[1BroJames]

Checkmate10000, the Bible does not support in any way the practice of a full time minister in the way you describe. This practice is not biblical and how do you use the bible to condone it? This so called full time ministry is man made and not from God at all! That is the answer to your question!

[Checkmate10000]

I believe a Pastor should be available 24/7 for his members no matter what the circumstance. If you are a shepard, you should be available for your sheep. But hey, if you think the Bible doesn't support the practice of a full time minister the way I describe, then you are worse off than I thought.

[1BroJames]

Checkmate10000, I answered you questions, but you do not want to hear the truth! So, that's it! I will not waste my time trying to communicate with a person who refuse to reason! So, let it go, please!

[Checkmate10000]

I asked you to use the Bible to condemn a church that supports their full time Pastor and his family and you DID NOT do that. All you did was give more opinions and try to use Romans and Proverbs to play my intelligence. But in any event, I'll be more than happy to grant your request and discontinue this conversation, for your sake.

Checkmate

[1BroJames]

You are a bunch devils doing the work of Satan and if you do not repent of this evil God will judge you for this greed and desire to gain money by fraud and deceit!

[Checkmate10000]

Like i said before, please spare me your opinions. I'm trying to figure out how you can condemn the message, when you didn't listen to it. Don't sit there and try to drown me out with more questions and statements when you avoided my question. But then again, you dont see how being a Pastor is a full time job. I guess a Pastor is just a Pastor while he's preaching right? So he doesn't have to attend to his members? And a church has bills if u didn't know. It takes money to run a building.

[1BroJames]

Checkmate10000, in my opnion you are one of the simple minded in these verses of scripture, Proverbs 1:22-32, Proverbs 14:15, 14:18, Romans 16:18. Either you are Smith or you are Smith's fool!

[1BroJames]

Checkmate1000, I do not need to watch his videos! Why would I get in bed with a viper when I see it is a viper? I listened to Smith for less then two minutes and I see that he serves the Almighty Dollar! You have only opinions and evidently work with Smith.

[Checkmate10000]

So, these videos together are almost 21 minutes. Now you watch less than 2 minutes and ask for an explanation on what he teaches. Im stating facts, sir. Not once have I stated my opinion. You obviously either don't belong to a church, or you belong to a false church. But either way, answer my question sir. Please dont avoid it this time.

If a Pastor works full time, where in the BIBLE does it condemn the church supporting the Pastor and his FAMILY'S needs?

This is my SECOND time asking this.

[1BroJames]

Has Smith used money to feed the poor?

Does Smith preach the tithe doctrine? How can you justify what he is doing by the Word of God?

[1BroJames]

checkmate1000, are you one of the men who work with Smith? Give one scripture in the bible that a man of God collected money from any person that he used for himself! Just one! You can not!

[1BroJames]

Checkmate1000, where is any truth in any of your statements. I would not waste my time watching videos from this man! This man is not doing the work of the Lord, but is running a business! What is the reason for all of this bills and costs?

What requires the pastor to working fulltime? This is a man made practice and is used to justify these money grabbing schemes!

[1BroJames]

Smith is a babbler and has no anointing of the Spirit of God, a false prophet with no Word from the Lord!

[1BroJames]

Checkmate10000, Do you notice the truth?

[1BroJames]

Numbers 18:20-21, And the Lord spake unto Aaron, Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land, neither shalt thou have any part among them..........

Ephesians chapter one tells us of our inheritance in Christ.

[Checkmate10000]

1BroJames,

First and foremost you can spare me the opinions. Your statements alone prove that you didn't even watch these videos. I guess you completely missed where he testified to putting church bills on his credit cards to keep the church running, and turning over a $17,000 check to the church. You missed that huh? I will ask you ONE simple question ok. Pay attention. If a Pastor works full time, where in the BIBLE does it condemn the church supporting the Pastor and his family's needs?

[1BroJames]

The Tithes was given to the Levites as an inheritance, while the other tribes received land as their inheritance. In Christ we all have an inheritance, everyone of us, no one is excluded! So how can a man claim a tithe from anyone?

[1BroJames]

The Tithes belonged to God and God gave the Tithes to the Levites because they received no land in Israel as did the other eleven tribes. All the tithes came from the land of the other eleven tribes.

[1BroJames]

James 5:1-5, Mathew 19-23-24, Proverbs 22:16, Proverbs 23:4. There are so many warnings in the Bible about the dangers of gathering riches. It is not possible for a man to gather riches and serve God at the same time! Mathew 6:24.

[1BroJames]

I can not stomach people like Smith and if you support this man's lust for riches God will condemn you also!

[1BroJames]

These so called pastors are too protect God's flock, but all they see is dollar signs, so they fleece God's flock! They are ravening wolves in sheep's clothing!

[1BroJames]

Throughout the Word of God we clearly see how money and riches corrupted people and in many cases it was the princes, the priests, and the leaders whom God condenmed about riches!

[1BroJames]

God, Christ, and all of the Disciples clearly understood the power of corruption that money imposes on the life of any man or woman, and they all openly condenmed the lust and desire to gather riches!

[1BroJames]

The Apostle John in the 3rd Epistle wrote, John 1:7; Because that for his name's sake they went forth, taking nothing of the gentiles.

[1BroJames]

Can Smith show one verse of scripture where Christ or any other Apostle ordained collecting money for any reason other then feeding the poor?

[1BroJames]

The sowing and reaping, partaking of the altar are all refenrences to food! Animals were sacrificed on the Altars and the priest ate from those sacrifices. The carnal things are those that grew from the sowing of the seed, so the priest reaped the corn, etc.. Not money!

[1BroJames]

Checkmate, being a partaker of the altar and the bread are references to accepting the life and sacrifice of Christ! Any reference to a right to collect money from people needs to be explained by Smith!

[1BroJames]

It is evident that this man is motivated by the Almighty Dollar and not by Almighty God!

[Checkmate10000]

You said a lot, but one thing I noticed is that Tony Smith has Biblical references to what he is saying, but where is your Biblical reference?

What does it mean to be a partaker of the alter? Sewing spiritual things and reaping carnal things?? Im curious...

[MsJoy4ever]

@Checkmate1000

Tony smith wants your money so he can pay his car notes and house mortgage among other things, doesn't the bible say a man that does not work does not eat, why should Tony smith be excluded from this scripture,

2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

Shouldn't you give out of a cheerful heart instead of someone telling you he needs your money for personal things like a nice car ?????

[Checkmate10000]

See there you go with that woman preacher stuff again. But anyway,

What exactly did Smith say about his house and car being paid? Apparently I missed it. Please tell me what he said, or are you just making accusations? And do you really think being a full time Pastor is not work? Of course Paul suffered things, but he also didn't have a wife and kids. So how do you explain that Pastor MsJoy4ever?

[MsJoy4ever]

Checkmate10000

I am not a women preacher nor do I support women preachers, but anyway,

Paul was a full time Pastor and he had a job as a tent maker,

Acts 18:2 Paul went to see them, and because he was a tentmaker as they were, he stayed and worked with them.

Paul did not want to be a burden on anyone so he worked and was a Full Time Pastor.

[Checkmate10000]

You say you're not a woman preacher, yet you are quoting Bible passages and trying to TEACH me what it means, just like a woman preacher. You dont have to be in the pulpit to preach..

[MsJoy4ever]

Checkmate100000

I don't want to argue with you, I just pray that your eyes will be opened and you will leave that cult, God bless you from my heart =)

[Tony461310]

@1BroJames U got the spirit of slumber eye's. U can't see nor hear.... REPENT B4 ITS EVER LASTING TO LATE...

[1BroJames]

As a matter of fact, every time money was given to the Apostles the money was used to provide for the poor. They never put that money into the pockets! This man is a liar and a deceiver!

[1BroJames]

There is no scripture in the Word of God that ordains a true man of God the authority to collect money from any person! God condenms this practice throughout the scriptures.

[1BroJames]

The New Testament minister does have a right to a maintenance, a living, or the carnel things of the congregants, but God forbid that it is money! The preacher should work and earn his living just like everyone else!

[1BroJames]

It is a sad thing to see men work a deceiving simple minded people with the purpose of exploiting money from them by using the Gospel of Christ! There is no justification in defrauding people out of their hard earned money!

[1BroJames]

This man is trying to justify his greed and lust for people's money and in now way proves through the scriptures his authority to collect a tithe or any money from people! What he is sowing is not spiritual, so what should he expect to reap?

[MUN7001]

the man works, maybe you should watch his other vids before you judge, and stop watching those dumb vids by youtube users about him, they are just hating

[authentic76]

I wonder why he didn't quote Acts 20:33-35 to put forth the entire counsel regarding this issue? This is amazing.

33"I have coveted no one's silver or gold or clothes.

34"You yourselves know that these hands ministered to my own needs and to the men who were with me.

35"In everything I showed you that by working hard in this manner you must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He Himself said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'

[MUN7001]

how does that go against what he is reading in the Bible

[authentic76]

It goes against what he's doing with the bible. There is no balance to what he is teaching regarding this issue. Which makes him no better than the pimps he preaches against.

[MUN7001]

how can one word of God go against another, he 'gives' them the word and how to act in the spirit, so how is he not operating in the scriptures.

[authentic76]

He's using the scriptures to guilt-trip the congregants to give unto him under compulsion. Its true that a workman/minister is worthy of his labor, however, the giving is supposed to be motivated out of a genuine love for God's work. AGAIN, he's doing the exact samething as the pimps that he preaches against. Why do i say that? its because he should cover the other passages which speak about giving and how Paul was an example of someone who also worked so he wouldn't be a burden.

[MUN7001]

ok...lol

[MsJoy4ever]

Th 3:7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow us. For we did not behave ourselves disorderly among you,

2Th 3:8  neither did we eat any man's bread freely, but we worked with labor and travail night and day, so that we might not be heavy on any of you

2Th 3:9 (not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example to you, to imitate us).

2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this, that if anyone would not work, neither should he eat.

[MsJoy4ever]

Tony Smith needs to follow Paul's example !!

[blakaneze]

LOL ,

I like how he didnt read all of 1Cor , and stopped at a part where it seems to justify his LYING TITHING DOCTRINE

1Co 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Messiah without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

Just wait This False Doctrine is going to get EXPOSED SOON.....

Pulpit Pimp with a different game..

[HolySpiritDwells]

Deception of Giving...

[MsJoy4ever]

Php 4:11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.

Php 4:12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.

Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

[MsJoy4ever]

Heb 13:5 Let your way of life be without the love of money, and be content with such things as you have, for He has said, "Not at all will I leave you, not at all will I forsake you, never!"

[MsJoy4ever]

Tony Smith car must about to be repossessed or his house is going into foreclosure,

Paul said he learn the secret of being content,

1Ti 6:5 meddling, of men whose minds have been corrupted and deprived of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness. Withdraw from such.

1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.

1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into the world, and it is clear that we can carry nothing out.

1Ti 6:8 But having food and clothing, we will be content.