Roy Moore cross-examined for acknowledging God

[ndrthrdr1]

If you've had enough of religious nuts forcing their mythology on those of us who know that we have no invisible, magical superfriends, join us at FRFF(dot)org.

[whipkeys]

Amen, my brother in Christ,amen ! Is this a communist way that the criminals in the A C L U want to ruin our nation? Well they are trying so hard to rid our country from worshiping freely our God and ditateing their agenda to us,a communist agenda. Over my dead body that will happen.

[retrospect1983]

@whipkeys "over my dead body that will happen" do you mean you would kill to preserve the placement of the 10 commandments? if not, please elaborate.

[whipkeys]

Amen, my brother in Christ,amen !

[StopSocialismUSA]

Why is atheism de facto to that court?

[SanguineBullet667]

the man is a buffoon

[MrChooseausername]

America is pathetic. 

[loyalpatriot100]

Thank you Roy moore.

[FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7]

wtf we are secular

[cheetahpilot]

Which religion was Judge Moore establishing? When it says "congress shall make no law" are we sure they meant the chief justice of Alabama was "congress" and are his words, spoken or written or chiseled into a rock the equivalent of Law? If so, what does his rock compel or forbid? Who has been or ever will be charged with violating Judge Moore's rock law? And how is "atheism" become the defacto religion? Why are atheists the only ones with full 1st amendment rights?

[mdfilmguy]

I'm just waiting for some imbecile to blame the tornadoes in Alabama on the Commandments model being removed. You know people are thinking it, but who'll be dumb enough to say it first?

[acapellafella205]

@cappastrano acknowledging God is not endorsing any specific religion its simply acknowledging God...and i believe that people over examine things like this...there are too many people that think that acknowledging God is endorsing a religion when its not.

[ldkspardadeuce]

"When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and waving a cross." ~Sinclair Lewis.

[cappastrano]

@mulluka1 Names would be helpful. Otherwise you're just obfuscating and avoiding the question.

Divine laws? No such thing. Laws are human constructions, as are morals. If you wanna live in theocracy, move to Saudi Arabia.

[cappastrano]

@mulluka1 Proof that anyone is being jailed for their beliefs? You are full of crap and i'm calling your hand.

[cappastrano]

@mulluka1 Did you delete your original messages so no one can see how I schooled you? Lame

I think Moore is a lieing crapsack. No church leaders are being jailed of even threatened. Or are you perhaps referring to churches that lost their tax-exempt status for breaking the law?

[cappastrano]

@mulluka1 Spelling is your friend, it helps you not look like an idiot.

What I believe is irrelevant to what the U.S. Constitution says.

Are you implying that someones name dictates their religious beliefs? Your name looks African, can I assume you are a tribal witch doctor? No, that's ridiculous. Obama claims he is a Christian, and appears to behave like one. Obama has a lot of flaws worth criticizing, but his religion isn't one of them.

[cappastrano]

@mulluka1 echoing, not eckoing. I'm not 'pro-muslim', I'd be against anyone using the government to promote religion, being it Catholic, Scientologist, or Buddhist. The Constitution is very clear, NO endorsement of ANY religion.

Oh wait, using reason with a lunatic who believes Obama is a muslim is useless, you're too crazy for logic to work on you.

I never saw that film, but it sounds right up your alley.

[cappastrano]

@mulluka1 Man,they must not teach reading where you come from. That's not what I said at all. Try again, maybe get someone smart to read it for you.

[treesfourme]

I Pray that THE LORD protect you and bless you always in YAHUSHUA ( Jesus)

name Amen.

[mdfilmguy]

Moore lost the gubernatorial primary again! The Lord may never forsake him, but the voters most assuredly have.

[philippians2]

Atheist are the biggest cry babies on the face of this earth... enough said.

[kenshin304]

Excellent Verdict

[MCTales89]

"Without an acknowledgment of of God, I cannot do my duty."

Article 6, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution says otherwise, Mr. Moore.

"...it says so in the 1st Amendment..."

This statement is what REALLY blows my mind! Here is a judge, and a (soon to be former) state supreme court chief justice at that, saying that the 1st Amendment says that he must acknowledge God, when it's COMMON KNOWLEDGE that the the 1st Amendment guarantees religious freedom! *face palm*

[ilkinond]

It was founded on the separation of church and state, you moron.

[ilkinond]

Moore "placed himself above the law by willfully and publicly" defying a federal order to remove the monument. Who the hell does he think he is?

[publicanimal9]

A Chief Justice with imaginary friends?? How did this maniac get the post in the first place?

At least common sense prevailed in the end!

[aurora1962]

oh - & BTW everyone: let's remember that Jefferson's suggestion of "a wall of separation between church & state" -

was was a remark on the need to protect religious institutions from a steamrolling govt. - not the public or govt. from "scary" christians...

[aurora1962]

poolerboy - you make a good point; but a judge's personal conviction (one based on his judeo-christian beliefs), which he brings to bear on decisions in the public arena, is NOT a violation of anything in the constitution. You can disagree with him, vehemently, about his heart-felt convictions - but you cannot condemn him for being unconstitutional.

[scatcoitus1]

where in the first amendment of the constitution does it say you must acknowledge of god? roy moore is a fucking idiot

[radeon9700pro]

Everyone is allowed to hold their own faith, but no public servant should be allowed to use their faith in an official capacity.

[knoxvilleguy2]

A lot of these self - righteous types think they should be allowed to have their own theocracies. Separation of church & State doesn't exist for these ding - bats.

[tincture]

Shorter Moore, "The US and it's constitution? Ha! Fuck 'em and their law!"

[aurora1962]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Judge Moore isn't pushing congress to pass any laws to prop up christianity, cappastrano. He can believe what he wants, when he wants - in this country we HAVE that freedom. To fire him for his beliefs - is what can be challenged as unconstitutioal.

[JohnK75136]

He wasn't fired for his beliefs. He was removed for his refusal to obey a judicial order, an order to cease his unconstitutional endorsement of religion in his official capacity.

[poolerboy0077]

aurora, you would be correct if it were not for the precedent set fourth by the Supreme Court in how the First Amendment's scope was established in the 20th century (Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village Schoold District v. Grumet) which held that which further expands its restriction to include non-promotion of religion at the state level.

[aurora1962]

what a sad place we've come to in our country's history - where acknowledgement of God in the public arena is denounced as misconduct.

[cappastrano]

Endorsement of any religion by any person acting in any role of the U.S. Government is unconstitutional. He can believe whatever he wants at home ,but in order to do his job, he MUST leave it at the door.

[cheetahpilot]

@cappastrano Endorsement of religion is not forbidden. Laws that regulate religions are forbidden, and laws that select a religion of preference or establish a National Religion are forbidden. Also forbidden is any law that prohibits the free exercise of any religion by any citizen, even if their paycheck comes from taxes. But even if your first sentence were correct, the Chief Justice of Alabama is not a US Gov employee.

[AerylonBW]

wow. Ignorant, offensive, AND dumb as a rock. They say Christians spout out hate? Not nearly the level you all are spouting. Why is it exactly that you are so angry with God? What anger turned to hate has eaten your soul and hardened your heart? Rather than argue with you, Perhaps take care of your own lives before judging someone. Inventory your own world first. If you are unwilling to do this than its pretty clear where your heart lies--in a state of love. A love of sin and selfishness.

[gutavo12]

Fuck yeah !

How the hell is the government going to respect all religions equally if this is happenning?

The only way for that to happen is by the government being a neutral one, a secular one.

No one is saying that he shouldn't believe in God, Allah, Xenu, Zombie Jesus, etc..

They are just saying he should do it on his personal time. Thats why you have the church or cartoon network, so you can continue enjoying those stories.

[mdfilmguy]

An funny exchange I had witha conservative acquaintence once:

Him: You're a Michael Moore wannabe.

Me: Better to be Michael Moore than Roy Moore.

Him: Who's Roy Moore?

Me: Exactly.

[bughaters]

hell yes ur so right, it doesn't make sense

[rubantin]

Its like the crusades in reverse. To acknowledge a belief in God while in public office is illegal.

[bucklen62189]

Well if any of that is true it's either because 1. You don't know God on a personal level or 2. The people that are so called "Christians" are living a fake life, which I would agree with. Religions cause problems...not the relationship with God that we are all supposed to have.

[bucklen62189]

Only goes to show that we live in a society of people that would do anything to keep God out of anything...it's very sad, but what the man did was right no matter what any other judge says to him...

CONGRATS RAY!!=)

[PissOnChristians]

"Only goes to show that we live in a society of people that would do anything to keep God out of anything"

Secular Societies rank the highest in "Best places to live" studies.

Secular Countries are better educated, have longer life spans and lower crime rates.

Keep your fairy tale god out of our Country!!!!!!!!

[Tommy12435]

Ever heard of something call Separation of church and State? The Frist Amendment say Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion... By having a religiuos items weather it is Islam or Christian in a governemnt building is a violation of that. Religon belong in the Church not in a government building... This is a secular nation and it will remain this way.

[NoBlowBama]

Dude, you are not even American, where the hell you get off preaching the Constitution???

[Tommy12435]

I am not an American? Ha you wanna see my passport?

[NoBlowBama]

Not really -- you probably bought it from an ACORN worker for $5

So what country are you from? China? Japan? SG? HK?

[Tommy12435]

That is none of your concern, I was born here.

[NoBlowBama]

Bullshit...you were born here exactly like Barack Obama was -- in Indonesia. Or was it Korea?

[Tommy12435]

If you actually do your research Obama was born in Hawaii, have a look at his Birth Certificate, and for your information I was born in Portland Oregon

[NoBlowBama]

No Tommy, his birth cert is a FAKE, just like you.

Documents in America look official, when they are real.

[NoBlowBama]

Portland? In what hospital? Where did you parents live? Where did you grow up? Go to school?

[NoBlowBama]

****ing LIAR!!!

[NoBlowBama]

Tommy, the li'l Communist Vietcong dolt, the "American." Brahahahahahaha!!!!!

Probably live in Ho chi Minh city.

[Tommy12435]

Proof it, you siad you block me yet, you are still posting these childish nonsense, hmm... what does that said about you? A person that can't stand to lose an argument, and must used these petty attack other... hmm.. just like a typical Republican

[NoBlowBama]

Your own page had Viets on there accusing you of being a Vietcong. Busted, dummazz.

You deleted it, but it was too late....brahahahahahahahahahah­ahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

[NoBlowBama]

You are no more Ameircan than Pol Pot, stupid LIAR.

[Tommy12435]

They were accusing me of being a Vietcong cause of what I said... just like you accusing me of not being American cause I have some asian video on my page? huh what kind of logic is that?  Plus don't forget you deleted my comment too... Dumbass

[NoBlowBama]

You are Viet, you live in Vietnam. You ride to town on a water buffalo, once a week. You go to the dentist once a decade. You dream of buying an an electric rice steamer. But, of course, you are "American"...LMFAO

[Tommy12435]

And let me just get this stright... Even if I am not an Ameircan, is ok for America to meddle with other people's politic but not ok for other to messed with yours? and what kind of closed minded person would automactly assume that an Asian is not an American when he speak out for something he belived in? People like you said how America is the greatest country in the world, and talk beautifully about Freedom and Democracy but you don't know the first thing about it.

[NoBlowBama]

Look, li'l know-it-all, you are lecturing people about things you obviously don't even understand. And your spelling is horrible. And your page is covered with Asian videos. So you are a liar.

Second, you don't have ANY business telling Americans who to vote for, or how to think. You obviously have a hard enough time doing that for yourself, confused leftist.

[BenAliGtor]

The only tragedies about Roy Moore are that (a) he wasn't fragged by his own men in Viet Nam, and (b)that the state of Alabama hasn't disbarred the son of a bitch.

[mdfilmguy]

Amen! (Pardon the expression) In any rational society, being named Man of the Year by Ann Coulter would be grounds for immediate disbarment.

[makaisenki]

Well I won't feel that stupid. Because if he really existed then it took people 6000+ years to prove it. If we have truly been around to an estimate of what science says, then it would be somewhere possibly around 100,000 years given off the top of Richard Dawkins head. May not quite be the truth but let's lower it a bit 50,000 years. If everyone turned christian in the next 5 years that means christianity failed for 50,005 years. So... why exactly should I feel stupid when they were inept?

[makaisenki]

No there isn't. If you happen to have some undeniable proof that there is some being that created us and gave us perfect, I can name off about 25 atheists that would love to see this proof. So if you have this proof, you would be selfish to keep it to yourself.

[makaisenki]

Human identity can exist without a God. You can still have some form of ritualistic religion, but believing in a God is not important enough for humans to need. We can all live godless lives as we all should.

Nothing in this world is entirely good nor bad. It's the extremes that make a percieved action bad. You can kill someone if your life is in danger. Self defense is bad. Someone tries to shoot you dead, and you accidentally kill them, does not make you evil.

[makaisenki]

Some people take the "country" too far and hurt the people in order to help the "country" that's why I don't like patriotism. No good comes from loving your country, but loving it's people can do all the good in the world.

Ethnisicism is just stupid. No one should be prideful overly prideful of their variations. I refuse to say that there are different races of human beings. The differences from 1 human to another is just a variation based on habitat or environment. Hell I'm 1 part black anyway

[makaisenki]

No wrong. Patriotism is bad. You should never be overly patriotic. Being overly patriotic means that you are not willing to go against the country to protect the people. That is a bad thing to do. The people must always be treated more important than the government. People that are too patriotic view things the WRONG way. We can survive without a government. We'll just create a new one, but without the people to govern, the government is nothing.

[1611isperfect]

What a Godless heathen sitting in that judges' seat. What an awful judgment it's gonna be for him when he meets God face to face at his Great White Throne.

"And then will I(God) profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

[makaisenki]

Ding dong the witch is dead the witch is dead the wicked witch is dead. Roy Moore was crushed by the court houses and I wouldn't have it any other way. SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE DUMBASS.

[jessie74]

Excellent decision !

[BD0909]

Poor guy just got spat on by satanic judge

[makaisenki]

Why is he Satanic? Just because he wants to hold the seperation of church and state like our founding fathers specifically said to?

[Tommy12435]

Just because one doesn't belived in your faith doesn't make one satanic.

[BD0909]

get behind me satan!

[Tommy12435]

Wow Good comeback... NOT

[BD0909]

Yes thank you satanic demon :D

[flinch5549]

Just another proof America has lost it's way. Ungodly men running the court system. God Bless You Roy Moore.

[makaisenki]

I think you have that ass backwards. There are many countries that are prospering that do not believe in God. America has lost it's way because religion is forcing itself in as much as it possibly can. This fucking war is not an attack on American citizens. Iraq had nothing to do with any of it. It was a religious war and a war for oil.

Look at Bush. Most religious president we've probably ever had. Also, probably, the worst.

[flinch5549]

Makaisenki, we used to be a Christian nation. I think if you look at the media alone you can see that it isn't the most moral thing. And Bush isn't a Christian. He goes to bohemian grove and does mock human sacrifices to a damn stone owl. Seperation of church and state is a must. Only to the extent that the church isn't controlling the state. You don't wipe God out of everything. Then there isn't seperation of church and state. Theres just seperation, period. I'm done. Please don't reply. GG.

[makaisenki]

Why can't we wipe God out of our entire government? Every single damn thing you let a church get involved in, they will try to absorb, and corrupt. The Boyscouts is Mormon and is terrible because of it. Their existance breaks our reaking constitutional rights. They are a private organization and recieve government money.

I will reply. How is bush not a christian? Provide me with evidence. You made that claim, you must back it up. Otherwise we can just dismiss the rest of your ideas altogether!

[mdfilmguy]

And after the monument was removed, God in his wrath unleashed a pestilence upon Alabama. Unfortunately, no one was able to tell the difference.

[flinch5549]

What pestilence?

[mdfilmguy]

Since some people seem to be having trouble with the joke: what evidence is there of Alabama's having been blessed by God?

[kenthovindspimp]

Which god is he acknowledging?

[AIDINSWE]

there is no god

[Zadius]

Na Na Na Na, Na Na Na Na, Hey Hey Hey, Good-bye! Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Roy!

[mdfilmguy]

From the Sermon on the Mount:"When you pray, don't be like those show-offs who love to stand up and pray in the meeting places and on the street corners. They do this just to look good. I can assure you that they already have their reward. When you pray, go into a room alone and close the door. Pray to your Father in private. He knows what is done in private, and he will reward you." There you have it, folks. Jesus is against "Putting faith in the public square"! Read your own book!

[teenspirit1]

If that's the patriot, you need much less of him around.

[Marksnotebook]

@teenspirit1 NO we need more around like him. Think back on John The baptist as he was a great man. People have a higher power to answer to and that is Christ. Government we have now is disgusting with Obama and his radical commies.

[teenspirit1]

@Marksnotebook You are trolling me aren't you? Tell me you are.

[f308gtb1977]

Amen.

[pbrucetube]

Our country is based upon "laws not men." Do you know what that means? It does not mean it is based upon just any law or any man's law. What it means is that it is based upon the law as is in truth. The laws of this country have from the beginning acknowledged the Supreme Judge of the World. Roy Moore was right not to submit for a second to the "law" of these men!!!!!

[lostn65]

Ok thanks, that makes me feel better. I do work on Sundays and it's good to know I won't be in hell for it. He is my saviour. Is it ok if I kill some people I don't like now? He has taken my punishment for me right?

[mdfilmguy]

Oh, so that's why Jesus helped him keep his job, win the governor's race in a landslide, and made his book a bestseller? ;-)

[lilsteller]

I don't care what you atheist think this man is a man and held his ground on what he believed even if it meant him being fired.I'm ready for my comment to get the lil dumbs down like every other christian here has got.

[Thrashaero]

holding your ground?

islamic terrorists like to hold their ground too, they're also people. so by your standard, it doesn't matter what the issue is, if you're holding your ground on what you believe, then you're automatically someone to deserve respect.

that's hilarious.

[ThinkerHA]

"Holding ground" when your wrong and violating the law is okay?

[lostn65]

The commandment itself said that you shall not work on the sabbath, keep it holy. And that the crime was punishable by death... It was explicit. Of course that was never enforced in american law. And because of that, you cannot say that american law was based on christianity or the ten commandments (of which 8 are not represented in the law).

[msholmes]

Owned!

[noobapple]

Good verdict.

[lostn65]

Whether man wants to do it is irrelevant. The point jacobins made is that if American law was based on christianity, why isn't working on the Sabbath forbidden? It should be illegal. If the law permits it, then it is NOT founded on christian values. Ditty for carven graven images, coveting, and not loving your enemy/neighbor/father/mother/e­tc.

[quiIl]

I really don't know of any part of the First Amendment that says you can't do your job without "acknowledging God".

[TheThomaswastaken]

"The Canons of Judicial ethics" not the first amendment.

[pbrucetube]

Hey quill, here is a tip: the First Amendment is not worth the paper it is written on without an acknowledgment of God.

[mdfilmguy]

You know, maybe was wrong about Moore. After all, without the guidance and favor of Almighty God, how could Alabama ever have become the haven of racial harmony and leader in education and health care that is is today?

[jacobins3000]

If American law is based on Judeo-Christian values then how come carving graven images, and working on the Sabbath are legal?

[McDuck10md]

Commandments

4. All the first-born are mine.

7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread.

What the heck is this?

[BigBoiJC]

these supreme court justices who have come against Justice Moore have no spine. They claim to uphold the law but to me they have violated his right to Free Speech. sure the moment i post this someone will argue for the opposite. The court of the kingdom of God shall reign no matter what any fool tries to do.

[peterhent]

Oh fuck off.

[Eyedunno]

"They claim to uphold the law but to me they have violated his right to Free Speech."

If I ever become a judge, I will put a statue of Thor in the courtroom, say a prayer to Thor before every case, and write about Thor in my decisions. It's part of my right to free speech to do so, isn't it? I'll also put a recipe for delicious brownies in every decision, cuz that's also my right.

[voiyour]

good question... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[shortfu]

Thank you and people like you for bring down this country's average IQ.

[chazcov08]

After seeing this video and the one of Moore on Hardball I cringed at the thought that a person who rose to the level of chief justice could be so ignorant. I cringed even harder when I realized that our Commander in Chief is no different.

[ThinkerHA]

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." -- Treaty of Tripoli 1796

[ianw115]

PWNED

[mdfilmguy]

He has the right to believe whatever the hell he wants. He does not have the right to use his position of public authority to promote one system of faith to the exclusion of others. Last December he argued that Rep. Keith Ellison should be banned from serving in Congress because of his Muslim faith. Tell us the one about how you were "persecuted" again, Roy? His supporters called him a latter-day Daniel. I rooted for the Lions. Good riddance to monument and moron both.

[baypos]

Hello, Contrary to todays popular re-writing of history, this is a Christian nation founded no Christian precepts, read the Declaration of Independence and writings of our ForeFathers. Also, the Puritan's that came over on the Mayflower, etc.

The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: [there is] none that doeth good. Psalm 53:1

[agentorange20]

"this is a Christian nation founded no Christian precepts"

so it's a xtian country, just not one that's according to xtian law? ya, that seems to fit where the country is actually at, considering we only observe/sanction 2 of 10 commandements.

how is it a xtian country again?

keep in mind, the constitution never mention's 'jesus' but leaves it as ambiguous with 'creator', 3 times. many of the founders were deist's and not xtians.

[baypos]

Amen!

[McDuck10md]

It's interesting how johnnybdifficult2's age, 32 coincidentally the same age as "Probablyaduck's" disappeared from his page after I mentioned him and "Probablyaduck" being the SAME person.

[McDuck10md]

Ooooookay. You're probably the same guy, moron.

"formal logic."

What garbage. Your premises and assumptions were unfounded.

"just don't plan on me reading it, or responding."

Really, that's okay. You're not hurting my feelings.

[McDuck10md]

It's pretty pathetic how you have to post a comment under another name just to validate yourself.

Or getting a buddy of yours to back you up in case you start crying.

I mean really, really pathetic.

"give up."

Give up? Give up what? I'm not here to win a prize. I'm just responding to to some dumb, illogical things.

[McDuck10md]

"A commandment is, by definition, a law."

And once again, are you that dumb that you didn't realize that when I said "commandment" I DID NOT mean it generally, but specifically the 10 from the Bible.

[McDuck10md]

Are you that dumb that you didn't realize that a person would have used the word "law" if he meant "law" and NOT "commandment?"

[McDuck10md]

Okay. You're probably NEVER going to get this. So I'm just going to repeat what I said:

Are you that dumb that you didn't understand that following a response referring to "Thou shalt not kill," and "10 commandments" AND a video about the 10 commandments that you DIDN'T understand that "commandment" meant one of the 10 commandments from the BIBLE?

Does it have to spelled out for you?

[McDuck10md]

Are you that dumb that you didn't understand that following a response referring to "Thou shalt not kill," and "10 commandments" AND a video about the 10 commandments that you DIDN'T understand that "commandment" meant one of the 10 commandments from the BIBLE?

Does it have to spelled out for you?

[McDuck10md]

Are you that dumb that you didn't realize that a person would have used the word "law" if he meant "law" and NOT "commandment?"

[McDuck10md]

"10 commandments, bad. "Thou shalt not kill" Preposterous!"

"Thou shalt not kill" "10 commandments"

Universally known to come from the Bible.

"If a person really needs a commandment to not kill"

**Implicit** in this **context** it means a "commandment from the Bible"

Any person with any common sense with understand that.

Are you that dumb that you couldn't understand that the video was talking about the "10 Commandments" from the BIBLE?

[McDuck10md]

"they've been bested."

You just keep thinking that if it makes you feel happy.

[McDuck10md]

According to someone with the maturity of a 14 year old, you "owned" with meaningless, BS statements.

"You said no one needs a law against killing"

Where did I say that?

"I'm making you look stupid."

Ooookay. This sounds like something someone with the maturity of a 14 year old would say. You like making things up.

[McDuck10md]

"just owned you."

If you **have to** say you owned someone, then you probably didn't.

[McDuck10md]

"You don't strengthen your point by insisting on on it."

"...had a leg to stand on; his accusers did not"

Great substance. Take you own advice.

[McDuck10md]

"logical conclusion to your statement is that we don't need laws against murder in this country"

There are many countries that are predominantly non-Christian with LAWS where it is illegal to kill someone, and they don't need the 10 Commandments out of the Bible to have those laws.

"I take it that you agree then, that our judges have caved to public concensus."

Your assumptions are unfounded, and "our judges" and "public consensus" are undefined.

So, this is a meaningless, BS statement.

[McDuck10md]

"my second post."

So?

"had a leg to stand on; his accusers did not."

Yes, they did.

[McDuck10md]

"having a backbone"

Adolf Hitler had a backbone. That's not a point. It's a meaningless statement.

"Thou shalt not kill"

If a person really needs a commandment to not kill, they don't need a commandment, they need a psychiatric ward.

[tariqziyad]

alabama hick

[mdfilmguy]

To hell with him

[baypos]

Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Romans 8:7

[McDuck10md]

Correction: I meant "Chritian judges" not "Chrisian judges."

[McDuck10md]

I mean "Christian."

[McDuck10md]

"you ever think for yourself?"

Yes. I thought what he said made sense.

No. I don't think TJ's or Ben Franklin's or Abraham Lincoln's opinions on religion are common knowledge at ALL.

"You think only atheists should be judges?" A stupid question typical of religious fundamentalists trying to change the subject. I'm sure that there are many Chrisian judges who don't try to be sneaky and edify their religion over all others in a judicial building.

[Ruffruff2006]

"The Christian God is a being of terrific character - cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust" Thomas Jefferson quotes (American 3rd US President (1801-09). Author of the Declaration of Independence. 1762-1826)

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man" Thomas Jefferson quotes (American 3rd US President (1801-09). Author of the Declaration of Independence. 1762-1826)

[baypos]

"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?" --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XVIII, 1782. ME 2:227

[Ruffruff2006]

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"

"The Christian God is a being of terrific character - cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust"

This could be slight guess. But judging from the words "MOST perverted system...EVER shone on man", I don't think Thomas Jefferson was fond of Christianity and Christian God, Yahweh.

[Ruffruff2006]

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

[ruarchitect]

Justice served

[aajoeyjo]

If he had just acknowledged God, there would have been no problem. He did much more than that. He put the government in the place of the preacher, set in stone. That is just wrong, in a nation with religious liberty.

[baypos]

Hello, according to his book "So help me God", that was what the Federal Court case was about, the acknowledgment of God and not the display. The Federal Judge understood this and ruled against the acknowledgment of God. Thus, making the acknowledgment of God a historic artifact. Sad day that is.

[micger]

He deserved it