Psychiatrist testifies on SB48 before California Legislature

[n13rvert]

Terrific testimony.

[sharonrdh]

I DO NOT want a school, teaching children about sexuality, of this nature. It is an inappropriate topic for young children, and is a topic that should be reserved for parents. Passing this bill can open the door for future topics---possibly unchartered territory. We do not allow our kids to watch t.v. news, commercials, and most shows. A course in sexuality (straight or gay) is WAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION!

[bgibb101]

@sharonrdh - Quite right. The problem with radical bills like this is that there is no consultration with parents. This bill will rewrite the history books to include the sexual orientation of historical figures, mandates sexual orientation in the adoption of social science instructional material, Inappropriately classifies lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender individuals as a culture group, requires unnecessary added costs of reprinting social science textbooks......more

[GodFamilyCountryCorp]

It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin. ... This immoral culture is causing evil upon our children. Evil begets evil. Homosexuality is a sin and a mental disorder.

[Skulander1]

I must add there that this woman, as a psychiatrist, is OBLIGED to abide by facts and science, required by her profession. She is required to do so in order to be able to help her patients. Clearly, she does not. I hope adequate measures will be taken to make sure she does not harm the children who she is supposed to counsel, unless she is able to prove under oath HOW presenting the positive achievements of gays and lesbians harm kids.

[breakingthisdown]

@Bondaization You're really one to call her a bigot, btw, with your ' fucked-up torah' comment.

[breakingthisdown]

Not even 5, 10 seconds in and you've already lost credibility. You've had this since 22 March and not one person thought to check grammar, etc, before finalising and posting? Gahhh.

[homerth1555]

BIGOT.

[Skulander1]

Indeed, her license should be revoked. AND she should be sued in court for slander against gays and lesbians. Plain and simple. Those textbooks will portray the ACHIEVEMENTS of LGBT individuals: they will mention nothing about their private sex lives. HOW is this harming children and their development? And she claims to be a psychiatrist? I hope the profession is on her case to make sure she no longer harms the patients she is "counseling."

[uuumdm]

@Skulander1 What ACHIEVEMENTS? AIDS? Degeneration of society? Promescuity? I have yet to meet a sodomite that has done anything constructive to society. You stand against everything which every successful society has followed. Children do not understand this. Forcing them to learn your "achievements" would easily be detrimental to their psychology. Fuck you and everything you stand for. I've seen it happen first hand. You and everyone like you makes me absolutely sick to my stomach.

[Skulander1]

@uuumdm Uh oh! Another angry Christianist full of himself who attempts to impose his morality on everyone else. Get educated, then come back. You're so pathetic I won't even start refuting your arguments. It must be tough, being on the losing team, doesn't it? Your hate just doesn't get you very far these days. Sucker!

[uuumdm]

@Skulander1 I was educated very well. I was taught how to observe. All I've observed out of people like you is disregard for society, law, selfishness, intolerance, hatred. You're the only person I'm mad at. I'm not even trying to impose morality on you. I'm trying to get you to shut your faggot face and quit trying to impose your backwards sodomite ways on everyone else. My family included. I'm not on a losing team either. You've been defeated at every turn when left to popular vote.

[Skulander1]

@uuumdm Cute. Nice attempt at shaming gays and lesbians but guess what? It won't work. I'm seriously curious about WHY you feel that you have to hate us so much. Why do you feel the need to impose your homophobia on society, by silencing us and calling us names (like faggot? Although as a woman, I don't think that name quite applies to me... Anyways). Because if you don't want ME to apparently "impose" my views on you, then I ask you don't impose your morality on me. It goes both ways.

[Skulander1]

@uuumdm And why do you say we disregard laws and society? We wake up and go to work every morning. We try to be nice, good human beings, abiding by the law, paying taxes like everyone else. So I'm sorry me just being around and demanding equality makes you mad. I'm afraid, though, there isn't much I can do. If just being me, a lesbian who otherwise is a human being like everyone else, makes you mad... Geez.

[Skulander1]

@uuumdm And I know I'm writing a lot, but just to finish: we don't hate anyone. We respect everyone, their views, their morality, their Christianity, etc. All of this is fine. What we HATE is the fact that our rights are denied/taken away from us. So far, the reasons I've heard are not very compelling. Calling us faggots and saying we're a threat to society and our behavior are sinful/wrong is not something we'll simply accept as a matter-of-fact. You'll have to actually prove this.

[uuumdm]

@Skulander1 I'm just playing the game that you started. I didn't come forth and say anyone should lose their job over this. You claim you respect other people - I'm going to have a lot of trouble believing that. I have seen nothing but blatant hate from your group both in personal affairs and others. Totally unprovoked attacks. SSM supporters threatening to kidnap children, burn churches, crashing peaceful traditional marriage rallies and harassing mothers and people at their homes.

[Skulander1]

@uuumdm If crimes are committed, then the people doing this should be prosecuted and punished. Kidnappings, burning of churches, etc. are unacceptable. By the way: heard of Matthew Sheppard? Hear of that house in which 2 lesbians lived and that was burned down? Their company refuses to pay for the damages. I'm also wondering when people will be able to be out at work and at school, without losing their jobs or being bullied. Hate comes from both sides, and crimes are unacceptable etiher way.

[Skulander1]

@uuumdm As for people losing their jobs, that's unfortunate. HOWEVER people should ALSO be qualified for those jobs. I think this psychologist, at the very least, needs to brush up her facts on homosexuality... It's unfortunate that it has come to this, but LGBT people are getting angry at seeing their rights denied/taken away. How is my gay marriage hurting yours? How is teaching kids about the great things that LGBT individuals did (and we are everywhere in history) a bad idea?

[uuumdm]

@Skulander1 Name one good homosexual achievement.

[Skulander1]

@uuumdm Alan Turing cracked the code for the Enigma Machine during WW2. Tchaikovsky. Look at all the politicians of influence (the mayors of Houston, Paris, Berlin). Look at all the composers (Tchaikovsky and Britten are 2 obvious ones). Writers such as Virginia Wolf. Martina Navratilova and Amélie Moresmo (tennis) and Greg Louganis (diver). k.d. lang. 5-10% of the population is gay or lesbian so we're basically everywhere, in all walks of life.

[uuumdm]

@Skulander1 How does the accomplishment of someone who happened to be gay during WWII relevant to your goals? Or the composers? They're not needed. Right now the schools only have time for bare minimum facts about events in history. Highlighting the main classical pioneer composers are important in school music history. Beyond that, students are welcome to review it on their own if they're so inclined. You think it's cool just because these people happened to be gay.

[Skulander1]

@uuumdm Well, there are gays and lesbians all through history. There's no reason to hide this. And not everyone would agree that what happened during WW2 or the achievements of composers is irrelevant. It's part of the general history, it has had some important impacts on the world. It's not just "because" they were gay. These people were actually important, people know them, know their names. I don't know why it's such a big deal to mention that they were gay when mentioning what they did.

[uuumdm]

@Skulander1 The most recent census indicated less than .4% (less than forty percent of one percent of the population) is not straight. Including the whole LBGT spectrum. I went to a community college with more than ten thousand students. Forty of them were not straight. Yes I looked into it when met with the same statistic earlier in life from someone in the same sentence said I should be jailed and raped for my views. So I don't know where the heck you got that number.

[Skulander1]

@uuumdm Well numbers DO vary but one thing is clear: it's much more than 0.4%. 10% is quite on the high end of the spectrum, while 5-6% would be about right, IMHO.

[Skulander1]

@uuumdm "In his 1948 book, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, Alfred Kinsey shocked the world by announcing that 10% of the male population is gay. A 1993 Janus Report estimated that nine percent of men and five percent of women had more than "occasional" homosexual relationships. The 2000 U.S. Census Bureau found that homosexual couples constitute less than 1% of American households."

[Skulander1]

@uuumdm "The Family Research Report says "around 2-3% of men, and 2% of women, are homosexual or bisexual." The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force estimates three to eight percent of both sexes. So who's right -- what percentage of the population is homosexual?"

[uuumdm]

@Skulander1 Even if you're the one with the correct statistic, that is an extremely low percentage and the rest of the 90% should not have to pay for the 10% that choose to be ammoral and self destructive.

[Skulander1]

@uuumdm A very recent poll showed that 2% of americans identify as LGBT (discovery news). That seems to me a bit low and it is also to be expected that some people might not necessarily be totally open about their sexuality, for various reasons.

[Skulander1]

@uuumdm Well that is your view. But why do you say we're immoral and self-destructive? I don't think I'm self-destructive at all. I wake up, go to work, pay taxes like everyone else. I'm sorry you feel that way about who I am, but I resent being called immoral and self-destructive and well, people will call you on that.

[Skulander1]

@uuumdm I could also mention sir Ian McKellan (Lord of the Rings). Elton John. Brian Epstein (the manager of the Beatles). Among others.

[uuumdm]

@Skulander1 I don't consider any of those people to be good people. Elton John's music is mediocre at best and he made a mockery of a once noble position of Knighthood.

[uuumdm]

@Skulander1 Even if this SB48 doesn't include teaching extremely young kids about sex change, transgender and other stuff that they're not equipped to handle and trying to present it as normal at a stage before the parents will typically instill their own values: Which I have heard people ADMIT is the case. The things that YOU'RE (individually) saying is in it are simply not necessary. All you're going to do is further stress a school system that can't even handle the stress it has now.

[Skulander1]

@uuumdm Well if there are some adjustment to be made, fine, let's discuss them and make those changes. As for me, I think that when kids are old enough to learn about history, they are old enough so that we don't hide from them who those people really were. And remember that some of those kids in the class ARE gay and lesbian as well. I really don't see what the big deal here is. We really only want to be honest to the kids in front of us.

[uuumdm]

@Skulander1 That's not what the bill is talking about though. And if it is talking about what you say it is; why can't that be done in higher education specific to the topic. And I still don't see how someone being gay is relevant to their place in history. Leonardo Divinci had arguments with Rapahel about this stuff. That doesn't have any effect on both of their contributions to art. Honesty is okay but this is ridiculous and superfluous.

[Skulander1]

@uuumdm Well, I guess we'll have to see how this course turns out, and perhaps make changes if appropriate but I really, honestly do think this could lead to something very interesting. I'm sure there will be a way to account for the contributions of LGBT individuals without it being appropriate, in a way that kids can understand, and in a way that foster tolerance and understanding.

[Skulander1]

@uuumdm I mean, look at all the sexual things that are directly marketed at girls as young as 8 years old... I really think it's unfair to say to the LGBT community that we want to indoctrinate kids and teach them stuff "wayyyy beyond their age" when 8 years old young girls are told it's absolutely appropriate to wear make-up...

[uuumdm]

@Skulander1 I fight all those things with tooth and nail too. The people that perpetrate that are just as bad as all the violent SSM supporters I've talked about tonight. The LBGT is not the only thing I'm against.

[Skulander1]

@uuumdm Well, good to hear we're on the same page about over-sexualization and disgusting adds (among other things). And I wish I could have you read some of the stuff I've read about gays and lesbians. About who I am. Then perhaps you would understand where the hurt, where the anger comes from. I keep hearing the most disgusting things and I'm not quite sure how I deserve all of this. And some people just flip out. Honestly. Some of us just can't take it anymore.

[uuumdm]

@Skulander1 My side experiences the same thing from your side. Difference is that we don't instigate nearly as much. I'm done with this for today before I have a stroke.

[MrJohnBannon]

Ms Grossman, be prepared to have your license revoked.