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  • Why we have 7 day creation in the Bible and not science.

    God: How should I tell them how I made everything. That on the 347th day of the 400 Millionth year I created the first single celled organism? Nono, they will never understand that. Yeah, I just created it in 6 days, then took a rest on the 7th.

    The Bible is not meant to replace science. Science is not meant to replace the Bible. They both support each other.

  • BORED. CREATED UNIVERSE.

  • This is ancient mythology, simply one of thousands of creation myths conjured by civilizations long ago in an attempt to explain a world they knew little about. Now we actually have the means to know the true origin of everything around us, and some people continue to settle for this archaic crock? It's tragic.

  • It's amusing to think that some grown adults out there still believe the universe was actually created this way. :P

  • @Pinage It's amusing to think that some grown adults out there still believe the universe was actually created out of nothing. :P

  • @curtsphobias Ha, that would be amusing. I know of none who believe such things. Oh, except for religious people who believe in a supernatural being who came from nothing. Silly people.

  • EVERYTHING God does has a purpose. He created the earth in 6 days, on the 7th He rested. The earth is 6 days old, on the 7th, it will rest. Whoever has an ear, let them hear.....

  • Science has proved that energy and mass are one and the same substance. The same way it has fused time & space as one unity. Einstein proved that Time-Space curves back on itself, making it impossible to claim that the Unverse had a beginning. Since Time is an eternal circle so there neither be a "Beginning" nor and "End". Nor does the Unverse have a limit, since Space also curves back on itself.

    This reality is for more beautiful and majestic than any religious claim.

    

  • guys remember 1 thing that god is light! soo no darkness infront of god ^_^ soo god bless u guys ^_^

  • @rumixzzz what a faggot

  • THE BEST VIDEO ON YOUTUBE SO GIVING THUMBS UP AND ADDING TO FAVORITES. GOOD VIDEO MAN/WOMAN

  • Dude, I believe in creation, but that CGI is TERRIBLE!

  • why did god create heaven and earth before the light?

    kinda stupid, not? doing this shit in total darkness

  • @f33ngernagel It would be stupid for a man to try to do work in the darkness, because he would stumble and fall and not know where he is going.

    What makes you think God has eyes like a man's? If God is all powerful, then He can see in the dark. The dark would be as bright as day to him. Is an all powerful God incapable of having night vision?

  • @f33ngernagel

     well who would of needed the light

  • @f33ngernagel The Bible tells us that God Himself is light, so God lit up the creation

  • That is one slow-ass god. 6 days, HA!. My god can do it in 4, and he won't need to rest afterwards, either.

  • @SubconsciousGatherer Where does the Bible say that God NEEDED to rest? I've never read that. Scripture says that He rested because He was finished, not because He was tired.

    When I finish a project, I rest also. Not necessarily because I'm tired, but because there's nothing more to be done.

    Where does the Bible say that God NEEDED 6 days? He's all powerful. He could have done it in less than a second. According to the 4th commandment, God CHOSE 6 days in order to establish a work week for us.

  • @NathanH83 Wow. You obviously missed the point that I was *joking*. "My invisible god can beat up YOUR invisible god" sort of thing.

  • @SubconsciousGatherer Oh, sorry, I thought you were being serious. Nevermind then.

  • @SubconsciousGatherer My God did it in 3 Days, He is all powerful.

  • @gregrutz Did I say 4? I meant 2. Your non-existent god TRICKED me. Mine did it in 2 days, then he went jogging. No rest was needed.

  • @gregrutz My god "poofed" it yesterday and planted all those memories in my head and evidence of an earth older than 1 day...

  • and the earth was void and without form...............you show it as round, oops.

  • Boy! Simple enough even the Dr's and PHD's can understand!:)

  • Great video, also I would like to point out that just because people (scientist or whoever) can't have light without the sun doesn't mean God can't. God did make it all, so I pretty sure God can do what he wants (technically). Personaly I think God chose to make light then the sun to show us they we were not to worship the sun.

  • @ConservativeLady0601 Good point. However, scientists can have light without sun. Scientists have been able to put plants under artificial light in a lab and have plants grow under it.

  • @NathanH83 Sorry I meant to say light without a source. My bad, scientist can't have light without some kind of source to produce light.

  • How did day ONE end with no sunset?

  • @gregrutz Because day actually is the word yom which indicates a period of time.

  • @AllNightGaming A day is based on the time it take for the sun to go around the earth, but there was no sun on day one.

  • @gregrutz No duh. Let's try this again. The original Hebrew uses the word 'yom'. This is not a sunrise to sunset measurement but a period of time. I'm quite sure god can measure an increment of time without a sun. Here's an idea, because quite honestly you are embarrassing yourself here. Take some time off to brush up on your facts. And your teeth while you're at it.

  • @AllNightGaming To bad geologist proved the earth is old and your story is BS.

  • @gregrutz We aren't discussing an old earth between you and I here. Try to focus. I know thatnatheists lack social skills and many have asbergers so I'm trying to be patient with you. Do you have anything to add on what we were discussing or do you want to jump from subject to subject or what?

  • @AllNightGaming Ok then show some evidence for your cration story. And show me how it explains the fossil record.

  • @gregrutz Again, that isn't what we were discussing. Let's get back on point, where is the proof that man changed radically over time from one kind of thing to another. Buried bones isn't cutting it. What you are doing is changing the subject and throwing it back on me and I'm not letting you squirm out of it.

  • @AllNightGaming sorry, I forgot that fossils were invisible to creationists.

  • @TheOLDschool1990 the other simple moron i was talking about is that guy gregrutz, what is it that motivates you to argue you about something you believe is as real as the tooth fairy? do you actually waste time debating his/her existence?

  • @displaced36 We are proving the bible is wrong, dip shit, not God.

  • @gregrutz you think you are anyways, you have done wonders for proving 1 Corinthians 3:19 true tho. it's too complicated for you to understand, you are too simple. every thing you have posted shows how little you actually understand.

  • @displaced36 understand what, you never said what you are talking about. And yes I can understand the bible. It lost meaning when Aribic was written down in Greek.

  • @gregrutz you just answered your own question. but no you don't understand the bible, 6 days to god was literally billions of years to man, and it all happened perfectly in the same span of time.

    the broader path is easier to walk, most people are simple. so don't worry, if acceptance is what you crave, and if you want to continue being simple, you will have more than enough company where you are going... people who felt just like you did in the next life.

  • @displaced36 who talking about ''broader path'' ? The bible was written by men who thought the earth was flat and the center of the solar system.

  • @gregrutz Where in the bible do these 'men' write that the earth was flat? Nowhere. YOU are making that inference. Nowhere does the bible say it is at the center of the universe either. Quit making stuff up.

  • @AllNightGaming Isaiah 40 : 22-24

    He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers

    I can draw a circle on a flat piece of paper, they are 2D.

    The church put Galileo under house arrest when he showed the moons of Jupiter and proved the earth is not in the center of anything.

  • @gregrutz Yah I've drawn the earth on paper. Guess how I draw it.

    I start by making a circle and yet I know it is a sphere. Circle is an english word not the word used I. The original text.

  • @gregrutz Where does the bible emphatically statenthe location of the planet in the "solar system"? Of course you know you already said they didn't know the earth was round or about planets so how then did they even know of am solar system? You wouldnhave to know something to believe you were at the center. Btw I know some people who refer to others as being "centered". I also know some people who say their kids are the center of their world. Do you argue with them too?

  • @AllNightGaming ''how then did they even know of a solar system?'' think dummy, they always had the solar system, the earth with the sun, moon and stars going around it.

    BTW, there is no center to the universe.

  • @gregrutz No one said there was, not the bible most certainly. That was just the assumption of a few. Ok, asberger breath? And I'm quite sure your original comment wasn't well thought out.

  • @AllNightGaming At one time the Catholic Church was the only christian religion in the world. They were the scientists too. They told people ''He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers'' They also said the earth was the center of everything. Then scientists started proving the bible wrong.

  • @gregrutz They were? Really? Facts to back that up? The bible doesn't say that. You can state 'they' all you want, it isn't supported by the bible. I can't believe you are even out in public arguing such nonsense.

  • that has already been answered, read a few posts down where i was replying to another simple moron who thinks he knows it all, and then look it up for yourself, 6 days from the point of creation=billions of years considering time through spacial expansion.

  • @displaced36

    6 days is 24 hours X 6 dummy. And the earth is a circle and behemoth was a dinosaur and lived with man, and we all came off a big boat.

  • @TheOLDschool1990 can you at least admit that something that does not occur, occurred in order for you to be here wasting precious time of your life arguing about something that you do not even believe in?

  • @TheOLDschool1990 you are. think harder

  • @TheOLDschool1990 people actually believe that something(everything) came from nothing at all. a complete impossibility by the properties of this universe as far as every single observable aspect of it is concerned. don't be so simple.

  • @displaced36 Creatards believe ''poof'' everything from nothing.

  • @gregrutz Actually atheists believe everything dame from nothing. Ask hawkings and dawkins, they will tell you.

  • @AllNightGaming No, creationists say it ''poof'' came from nothing. Who cares what atheists say.

  • I find it humorous my name is Nathan and I am animating a simple creation story for my RE Assignment as well. Your one is much better than mine though ;P

  • @TheOLDschool1990 sadly quite a lot do my friend.. aah, humanity.. by far the most idiotic and gullible creature on this planet.

  • Awesome video!!

  • LOVED the video!! Thanks!!

  • there was light before stars?  i can't wait to hear the excuses from christians for that one

  • @FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 Yes, according to the Bible, there was light before stars. Most Christians don't know that. That's one of th reasons why I made this video, to show them that evolution does NOT fit into the Bible.

    The Bible also says there were plants before there were stars. But evolution says the stars existed long before life evolved on earth. Evolution is NOT compatable with Genesis.

  • @NathanH83 so are you trying to debunk the bible or try and prove it is true? that was my point that the bible says there was light before star, because stars are why there is light. and plants need light to live. and it is also my point that the bible does not go with evolution, again the bible is debunked, evolution is a fact.

    also, evolution has nothing to do with stars. so i'm guessing you are an ignorant christian.

  • @NathanH83 YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER SATAN IS TRICKY. THE ILLUMANATI WORSHIPS HIM. THE ILLUMINATI BROUGHT THE BIBLE WITH THEM. THERE WAS AN COUNCIL HELD ON WHAT GOES IN THE BIBLE WHAT GOES OUT. THINK ABOUT IT DUDE. DON'T BE HYPOCRITICAL.

  • @NathanH83 Correct, the bible story is not supported by the facts. Geology proves the earth is millions of years old. Astronomy proves the universe is old. Biology proves we evolved. Fossils prove dinosaurs ruled the earth for 160 million years.

  • @gregrutz How does biology prove we evolved? I'm not talking about minor changes over time. Show where biology can trace back to the earliest stages of man, say in the form of a fish, and track it all the way to now. You don't have that evidence, quit lying.

  • Here is the evidence, the facts, go look. The fossils are layered like this: In the bottom layer of rock are shell fossils, above that is a layer with shells and fish fossils, above that is a layer with shells, fish and amphibians fossils, above that is a layer with shells, fish, amphibian and reptile fossils, above that is a layer with shells, fish, amphibian, reptile fossils and dinosaur fossils. No human or bunny fossils are found in any of these layers. No dating method used
  • @gregrutz All that shows is fossils. It does NOT show one species actually becoming another and you have zero evidence of that.

  • @gregrutz Where does the bible state the age of the earth? What bible have you been reading?

  • @AllNightGaming Ken Hovind and Ken Ham say the earth is 6000 years old, don't you believe them?

  • @NathanH83 When did god make the other force bosons? Light is just one.

  • If God didn't create light before he created stars, the stars would not shine. They may burn, but no light...

  • @dominoes7 then what was the light coming from? and also, there would be light from stars.

  • I'm not sure I understand your question. If God didn't say, "let there be light," then there would be no light. Starlight would have no light. Without light, stars would not have light because light would have not been created, or "invented." You can't have something that doesn't yet exist.

    Let me put it another way. Imagine our universe exactly as it is now, but eliminate light. There are still stars (no light), the sun (no light), etc. What would it look like?

  • @dominoes7 How did the light know where it stated if the star was not there yet?

    And when did God make the other 3 bosons?

  • @gregrutz I guess this concept is too hard. Light doesn't "know" just like a rock doesn't "know." Light has no knowledge. Light started when God created it. Before God created it, it wasn't there, it did not exist. Try answering some of the previous questions before asking more. My point is simple. There was no light before it was created. I know that's hard to imagine.

  • @dominoes7 Light is a vector boson, the means it has direction.

    Did god make the light so we could see the stars 1,000,000 light years away, it must have a direction so we can and do see them.

    So we could have seen the stars before God made them, right?

  • @gregrutz it is obvious to me that you are not interested in answers. I've answered questions & posted several questions and have received no answers. I have an answer to your distant star question, but I'm sure you won't like it. If I answer it, then you'll ask another tangential question, and so on & so forth. It'll never be good enough, because you can't possibly be wrong. I'll answer your question if you answer mine. That's fair.

  • @dominoes7 Did you ask a question?

    We would not be able to see stars unless there is enought time for the light to get here from there.

  • @FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 light, like the explosion of what you call the big bang.

  • @displaced36 and stars are why there is light, think about it.

  • @displaced36 The Big Bang was a expansion of space-time.

  • @gregrutz i know

  • @gregrutz point of creation- time/space expansion... 6 days to god...billions of years to us... get it?

    another thing about the big bang theory is that it is also the best example for the point of creation of all things that science can rationalize even though it is illogical according to science. don't assume god is something you can dissect and understand by science, you are a total fool in comparison to god.

  • @FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 Easy. God is light. Next!

  • @AllNightGaming no it's not. that's just an excuse to get around reality. next!

  • @AllNightGaming Light is a Boson

  • @FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7

    yeah there was light before stars becuz wats the point of having stars if they dnt give off light thts my excuse

  • @305385CW wtf, stars give off light.... and it took u 3 months to think of that?

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  • @305385CW thats the point, the bible says there was light before stars

  • @TheOLDschool1990 I certainly hope not.

  • 6 Days? What took so long?

  • God could have done it in six seconds. He could have done it in 6 years.

    He chose six days to set an example and lay down a workweek for us. That's what makes him all powerful.

  • @NathanH83 no, we have six days in a week because there were 6 gods and they replaced them with one god and six day creation. And a day for an ever-powerful god to rest.

  • The fourth day of Genesis 1 doesnt say anything about the planets. Where did you got that from?

  • The Bible says the stars were created day four. in ancient times planets were known as wandering stars.

  • @NathanH83 and how did they knew they were planets?

  • @HEC01 How did they know they were planets? What kind of question is that? The point is, we know they are planets.

    From the naked eye, planets and stars both look like stars, so both were referred to as stars back then.

  • @NathanH83 That is how you should interpreate Genesis 1, as If you were there.

  • @NathanH83 " in ancient times planets were known as wandering stars."

    Right.

    Because they didn't know any better.

    But one must assume that the Creator knew the difference.

    So this shows that the Creator did NOT write the book.

  • One must assume that the Creator knew the difference?

    It's only modern scientists that even discern a difference. God chooses to call them stars, just as ancient astrologers called them "wandering stars".

    Your modern definition of star is a ball of burning gas. The past definition of star was just a light in the sky.

  • Look up "star" in the dictionary. It says that a star in astrology is a heavenly body, especially a planet.

  • @NathanH83

    They called the 'wandering stars' because they were the only 'stars' that moved, they didn't know they were planets.

  • who didn't know they were planets? Who's they?

    Astrologers today know they are planets, and yet still refer to them as stars.

    God knew they were planets, and yet still referred to them as stars.

    The Star of Bethlehem, scientists have found, was actually a combination of venus and jupiter. They still show it at planeteriums today.

  • What part of the bible do you trust?

    The two accounts clearly differ in the order of creation.

    Gen1:25-27 humans are created after other animals

    Gen2:18-19 humans created before other animals.

    That's a contradiction. It comes from two different camps.

    The Yahwist and Eulogist camps.

    Gen1:27 man and woman are created at the same time

    Gen2:18-22 Adam first, then animals, then Eve.

  • Genesis 2 never says that humans were created BEFORE animals. Just because it's mentioned in that order, doesn't mean it happened in that order. It mentions the creation of man, and then mentions the creation of animals, but the word "before" is not used.

    Genesis 1 doesn't say man and woman were created at the same time. It says they were created on the same day. Adam was created on day 6, named off the animals, fell asleep, and woke up to find Eve, all in one day.

  • Yes it does, Observe the sequence: Genesis chapter 1 Verse 21- God made the birds (day 5) V 25- God made the wild animals (day 6) V 27- God created man in his own image.. male and female he created them Now chapter 2 V7- God made man from the dust of the ground V19- God made birds and ALL the beasts (same day!) V22- God made a woman from the man's rib (because he didn't want to marry an aardvark) It's a direct contradiction. They cannot both be true.
  • In Genesis chapter 2, after talking about Adam being created from the dust of the ground, it then says:

    "Now the Lord God HAD formed out of the ground all beasts of the field and every bird of the air." -Genesis 2:19

    It's acknowledging here that the beasts of the field and birds of the sky had already been created before Adam.

    It doesn't say "after" or "before" or "then," but rather it says that they HAD been created sometime in the past.

  • Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field" Where did you get your "HAD"? Adding words to the source is unethical and dishonest. As to my "attacking Hovind", Jesus himself said to judge a teacher by his fruit. And not all of the 58 counts of which KH was convicted had to do with tax evasion. If you think he's a scientist I suggest you actually take a biology course. The difference will be readily apparent.
  • I got the word "had" from the NIV version of the Bible. The NIV is the version I read while growing up as a child. That's why I've never seen it as a contradiction, and still don't.

    So now you're going to obey the words of Jesus and judge a teacher by his fruit?

    Well, Kent Hovind is leading people to the Lord and getting people saved in prison, just like Jesus said in the parable of the sheep and the goats, "I was in prison, and you came to me."

  • " the NIV version"

    Ah, yes, it's extremely convenient that there are so many versions

    (I own something like 22 of them),

    enabling one to find escape routes from inconvenient errors.

    The KJV is not one of the better versions,

    but it's the Fundamentalist standard,

    so I use it on the internet.

    Let's try Young's Literal Translation,

    one of the two most accurate:

    "And Jehovah God formeth from the ground every beast of the field, and every fowl of the heavens, and bringeth in unto the man"

  • The Old King James doesn't say "After God created man he then created animals."

    The Old King James and New King James are worded pretty much the same way as the NIV. They don't say "before" or "after" or "then". They just simply acknowledge the fact that God created animals out of the ground.

  • THE SEQUENCE: God makes Adam (v7) and then god makes plants (v9) and then god takes Adam and plunks him down in the middle of this "garden." (v15) And God thought he looked a bit lonely so he made EVERY animal (v19) and brought them to Adam to see if he'd like one for a wife. (!) But Adam wasn't satisfied with a mercat or a Komodo dragon (v20) so finally god made Eve (v22) and they all lived... Genesis chapter 2. As opposed to chapter 1. It's a direct contradiction. They cannot both be true.
  • Genesis 2:8 says that God put Adam in the garden of Eden. Then after that it talks about the creation of the trees.

    So you think that just because it's mentioned in that order, then God must have created trees after placing Adam in the garden.

    However, in verse 15, it then reiterates the fact that God placed Adam in the garden, after mentioning the creation of trees.

    So did God place Adam in the garden twice, before AND after creating trees? You see, you're logic breaks down.

  • "And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden;

    and there he put the man whom he had formed.

    And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree"

    Right.

    Another contradiction from Chapter 1.

    Good going!

    Keep it up!

  • But then in verse 15 it AGAIN says that God put Adam in the garden. So you tell me. Did God put Adam in the garden before creating the trees, or after creating the trees?

    Don't you see that the sequence of chapter 2 is totally irrelevant?

    In chapter 2 it mentions gold from Havilah after the creation of trees. Does that mean gold was created after the creation of trees?

    Of course not! It's just mentioned in that order.

  • You're right, there's a redundancy there.

    maybe emphasizing the point,

    maybe just poor primitive narration skills.

    Or maybe yet another contradiction.

    You're trying to compare apples and oranges with your gold,

    because it doesn't say anything about CREATING the gold,

    as it does for the animals.

  • Don't you see how not everything in Genesis chapter 2 is in sequential order? Shoot, not even everything in Genesis 1 is in sequential order.

    On the fourth day of creation it says that God created the greater light (the sun) and the lesser light (the moon). Then after that it says He made the stars also. But it never specifies if the stars were made before or after the sun or moon. They were definitely made on day 4, but never specifies WHEN on day 4.

  • @NathanH83 "Don't you see that the sequence of chapter 2 is totally irrelevant?" Certainly not.

    I merely quote the text.

    I'll leave it to you "believers"

    to change the meaning of the words,

    or to dismiss them as "totally irrelevant."

  • Chapter 1 of Genesis says plants were created before man.

    Chapter 2 says that before any plant of the field was in the earth, God made man from the dust of the ground.

    This seems like a contradiction. However, notice that it says "plants OF THE FIELD"

    It's not talking about plants of the garden, or of the jungle, or of the forest, or of the mountain.

    On day 3, outside the garden of Eden there was a dirt field left empty because God was planning on using the dirt from that field later on.

  • @Imaginefree69 Chapter 2 is not the same as Chapter 1. Chapter 1 is a general overview of the creation.

    Chapter 2 is concentrating on the creation of man and the subsequent creation of the Garden of Eden. God created the rest of Earth, and the plants and animals before man. After creating Adam, God then created the Garden of Eden. It is clear from the text as long as one keeps the two chapters as a single account.

  • @HEC01 "Chapter 2 is not the same as Chapter 1. "

    My point exactly :=)

    "God created the rest of Earth, and the plants and animals before man."

    In chapter one, yes.

    In chapter two man was created,

    then EVERY beast and EVERY bird,

    then woman.

    It's not complicated.

    It's not difficult.

    It's merely inconvenient to your denominational opinion.

  • Observe this sequence:

    I washed the dishes,

    did the laundry,

    washed the car,

    and payed the bills.

    Just because I mentioned these thing in that order, does that mean that I must have done these things in that order?

    Not necessarily. I may have mentioned that I did the dishes before mentioning washing the car. But I may have actually washed the car before the dishes.

    Just because they're mentioned in that order doesn't mean they happened in that order, unless "before" or "after" are used.

  • It's surprising to me that you think this is a contradiction. The only contradiction I've ever seen is the creation of plants. Hasn't that stuck out to you? Genesis 1 says plants were created on before man. But Genesis 2 says that God made man before the plants of the field.

    This was the biggest thing that seemed to be a contradiction when I read Genesis as a kid.

    But after studying it I see now it's not a contradiction.

    Notice the phrase "of the field"

  • Do people actually believe this ?

  • scientists believe this, including Sir Isaac Newton.

  • LOL So let's give him a call and see what he thinks?

    Evolution was not known in his time, IDiot.

  • Yes, evolution hadn't been made up yet. But that's not why Newton believed the Bible. He believed the Bible because of the complexity of this most elegant system of the sun, planets, and comets. He thought atheism was so stupid.

  • Doesn't mean scientists today believe in this bible story.

  • Yes, scientiists today believe in Genesis 1. Scientists like Ken Ham, Kent Hovind, and Dr. Duane Gish believe that God created the world in six literal 24 hour days.

  • @NathanH83

    Kent Hovind claims to have taught high school science for 15 years, but he lies so much I would bet he didn't teach science. He doesn't know enough about it.

    Ken Ham is a pastor and museum money guy.

  • @gregrutz "Ken Ham is a pastor and museum money guy." What the heck is a museum money guy?? Dawkins is a book selling money guy and so is Hitchens and half a dozen others I could list. What does that have to do with ANYTHING?

  • @AllNightGaming Ken uses his money to mislead people, brainwash them.

    Dinosaurs died off 65 million years ago.

  • But those are not scientists.

    Hovind pleaded 'no contest' to three charges of zoning violations, etc in 2006, was found guilty of lying about his assets and income in '96, renounced his US citizenship in '98, was found in '04 to be operating a business without a licence, and was charged with 89 counts of tax evasion, fraud, destroying records...

    Had his passport and many firearms confiscated (along with $42,000 in loose cash around his home) in '02

    and was found guilty of 58 counts in '06..

  • ????

    Zoning violations? Lying? Tax evasion?Fraud? Destroying records?

    What does this have to do with science? Just because someone cheats on their taxes and is charged with fraud that suddenly discredits them from being a scientist?

    You've now diverted away from the topic of science and you're attacking a person? Why do I care if Hovind cheated on his taxes? You can still learn alot of good science from him.

    But Jesus told Peter to pay the tax - "so that we may not offend them." -Matt. 17:27

  • @NathanH83

    We are not talking about athiesm. We are talking about  where we came from.

  • @gregrutz So where did we come from then?

  • @AllNightGaming We evloved, where do you think we came from? Dinosaurs ruled the earth for 160,000,000 years, where did they come from?

  • @gregrutz From their dinosaur mommies and daddies.

  • And if you buy that I'll throw the golden gate in free.

  • What golden gate? The Bible never talks about a golden gate. It talks about golden streets. The gates of Heaven are made of pearl.

    Movies often show Heaven with golden gates, but that's not what the Bible actually says. You can't always believe what you see in movies.

  • That's a joke, right? LOL LOL Well done!

  • I believe the Bible's teachings as anyone who looks back through life & recalls all of the near misses & how God's marvelous protections spared them from them would. Imagine what would happen if every time you sped, you were ticketed...if every unprotected sex act produced a pregnancy, if every test cheated on resulted in expulsion and every irresponsible act came out for the worst rather than the best. On that count alone, I trust Almighty God. Not just trust Him, but I daily thank Him.

  • He killed everyone in a flood, i wouldn't trust him.

  • @gregrutz Not everyone greg, all but 8 people.

  • @ironman197268 He killed a few Chinese too, they have a very long history with many floods, ''all but 8'' never happened.

  • @gregrutz I wouldn't trust anyone deserving of being wiped out in a flood. So there.

  • I do...

  • An all powerful God made us in 6 days?

    What took him so long?

  • That's only how long it took in earth's time. God is not bound by time. (2 Peter 3:8)

  • By 6000 BC Egyptians in the southwestern corner of Egypt were herding cattle and constructing large buildings. Subsistence in organized and permanent settlements in predynastic Egypt by the middle of the 6th millennium BC centered predominantly on cereal and animal agriculture: cattle, goats, pigs and sheep. Metal objects replaced prior ones of stone. Tanning of animal skins, pottery and weaving are common. There are indications of seasonal occupation of the Al Fayyum in the 6th millennium BC.

  • And yes, the Bible does say the earth is round in Isaiah. God knows it, and in His wisdom revealed it to Isaiah, who in the language of the time may have described a sphere as a circle.

    For Evolutionists and Creationists alike, the battle has already been won. Do not fight or struggle to prove the Bible. Evolution may be trying to prove its claims, even until the end of the age, for what is a fallacy cannot be proven. But what is truth, will endure.

    God bless!

  • Just as much as an aethist will proudly say that he or she will never accept the Gospel of all religions, Christians will say they cannot accept evolution. It is an affront to God. But this argument is not ours but God's. If we are said to be hiding behind God, then let it be so, for our God loves us enough for us to do so, and wise and powerful enough to sustain his children, whether they accept Him or not.

  • Genesis does not need to be proven. Christians are not avoiding the argument but are fully aware of it. Aethists and evolutionists who regard themselves as evolved apes are mentioned in the Bible. They are actually fulfilling prophecy, when intellectual persecution is the stone of choice in the era of science.

  • Genesis is accepted by faith. God is accepted by faith. So is evolution. The Big Bang theory is just a theory. Darwin's Theory of Evolution is not a misnomer, it is still a theory. Evolutionists accept these theories by faith, knowingly or otherwise. They accept by faith that the world we live in was created not by a self-existing Supreme Being but by mysteriously self-existing gases.

  • It says something that aethists and people with anti-religious sentiments seem to observe a sub-conscious reverance in places like Temples, Mosques and Tibetan monasteries, but somehow lose this reverance and become cynical, sarcastic, skeptical and agressive in cathedrals and churches, or whenever faced with the Gospel.

  • Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, Confucianism and other religions have never in history been faced with as much opposition and hatred as Christianity. Religions like Buddhism, in fact seem to gain followers the world over, whether they be aware of Buddhism's true teachings or not.

  • Honestly, the fact that there are people who are so agressive towards anything to do with the Bible just goes to show that this hatred goes beyond the physical, and into the spiritual.

  • Prior23- Disregarding a "Biblical" God, do you believe in a Supreme Being?

  • hi, I'm a Christian but I don't believe in the literal 6 days of creation. I see Genesis 1 and 2 as polemic texts highlighting certain truths about God (but not creation). It seems that you believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis, non?

  • They were literal days. (Exodus 20:11)

  • How do you know the first day ended without a sun set.

  • The earth was created before the sun? You showed all plants etc, before the universe, so therefore you think plants don't require the sun? Did you not attend Kindergarten?

  • Yes, the earth was created before the sun, and yes plants were created before the sun.

    No, plants do not need the sun. Plants need LIGHT. Scientists can actually grow plants in a lab with artificial light and no sunlght.

    God created LIGHT on the first day of creation, before the plants. If scientists can do it in a lab, then God can do it too.

  • And where did this LIGHT come from? You cannot have light without a light source.

  • The Bible says that God said, "Let there be light."

    The light came from the Word of God.