@Entropy56 Aside from the atheist part, and the partial truth that Hitchens had had homosexual experiences when he was younger, uhm, no. No truth to that. NEXT!!!
@Entropy56 No. But, it is rather, what's the word? QUEER that you would know anything about as much. Enough even to stretch it out into a polysyllabic term.
@MrJmhardison I learned about auto-erotic asphyxia from the death of David Carradine. However, excessive drinking, smoking, masturbating, etc. seems to be another form of a death wish. I can understand his personal anguish due to his Jewish mother’s suicide. Often traumatic experiences lead one to all these behaviors. I’m just trying to figure out which one of these led to his death.
@TomFynn I'm not sure it that is the right word for it. Perhaps doing kinky things in private would account for Hitchens secret life and why no one can account for his alleged self hatred and sucide.
I used to be an atheist myself, but I am a scientist, my message is based on current study and research, Read the given website in flesh: godsurety . org .Listen to the educated people. Mr Dawkins has stopped studying, He wants to make MONEY out of low mentality mass, who hate the feeling of "somebody great" naturally "wired" in their brain. Otherwise, his "God Delusion" will be out of business even "God" has been proven Scientifically and it is > F.O.C, Update yourself : godsurety . org
@PokkiTube Ironially, in his grave, he would have found out that there is a God. May Allah(God and all his 99 mighty names; most gracious, most merciful...) guid us.
@mikefromwa hmmm.... pedophile is such a harsh word. Don't be ignorant please. Open your eyes and read his history from liable sources. Get a book about his life instead of reading anti-islamic statements online. We respect Jesus( peace be upon him). If you're an atheist or a christian, dont be so quick to judge.
Like the Koran? It's a well-accepted fact that he married Alisha when she was 6 and consummated the marriage when she was about 9. What would you call that if not a pedophile?
Stop making excuses for this sick, violent asshole and face the facts. Your prophet was a fucking child molester.
@mikefromwa there you go again. A pedophile is someone who rapes or hunts young girls. This was a marriage. His beloved friend, Abu Bakr( may Allah be pleased with him) offered his daughter to Muhammad(S). He only had intercourse when she reached puberty. So, you can stop acting like a lunatic
The bible is not the best way to "prove" the existence of God. The Qur'an is the best; read it. If you read the translation at least, and without ill-will, you will be enlightened by God's will.
HItchens stray away from the topic completely.. instead he bashes the Catholics... saying us being a slave.. says there is better explanation other than God but but fail to lay the details... put words in Einstein mouth....he is incapable to debate this topic.... period... well he's dead anyway..
@al100570ex Whatever dude.. English is not my mother tongue.. I'm not claiming anything... did you watch the whole debate to realize the obvious?.. You need a scientist to debate those facts presented by Frank.. not a political writer..
p/s - try to use hybrid picking in your guitar playing.. makes your dream on cover more piano like
@grazzhood71 oh. well thanks for watching my video...I guess. It's like a year old so I'm better now. I play the piano too so maybe that factors in haha.
The problem with the Cosmological argument is that it is based on common sense, but this is NOT what happens in quantum physics. We now know that atoms act differently when being observed amongst many other strange things- none of this is common sense derived from everyday occurrences - and neither was the beginning of the universe.. look up quantum vacuum fluctuations or look at "A universe from nothing" by Lawrence Krauss on youtube.. very enlightening
@mikefromwa that's based on your opinion sir, I am an evolutionist, but I am a fair evolutionist. I want to give my honest of the debate and I think Hitchens was poorly organized for this debate and he really did fail at directly answering the questions that Turek placed before. Hitchens was not the winner of this debate.
@flickapix: You're entitled to your opinion, but I think we'll have to disagree on this one. I think Turek (like many believers) asks questions that make little sense and are often self-referential or circular in nature.
god loves evry single one of you so much that he has given us free will to think and say what we want to say he will not force you to believe what you dont want to he loves you to much to do that.
@Absiintheee paha i have my own mind i mind own opinion God gave me the right to be able to this, i would prefer to think that i have someone loving and looking after me just than i exsist thats it, its a big thing called faith and its much stronger then any science fact, I love God.
No, reality gave you this ability. Existence. It. Doesn't. Give. A. Shit. About. You.
Hurricanes, tidal waves, tsunamis, murders, rapes, viruses, disease.. It all comes from GROWTH and existing.
There is NO caring God. There may be some kind of creative intelligence but it certainly doesn't give a shit about you.
Your "faith" is a butchery of what Jesus taught. Jesus' faith was the faith that if he fell and fell, there would always be that which can never fall (reality)
Whereas your faith is akin to wishing upon a star or feeling a bit of peace.
Just stop equating reality with the notion of a God that cares about you.
It's fucking wishful mate and you know that somewhere.
Think about it, whatever experiences you've had. You had those experiences... But it doesn't mean that the thing you were attributing them to exists. I have experienced "my sins forgiven".. and "the grace of God" and honest to GOD mate it is not sophisticated.
In a normal world we would just call those two processes "accepting unresolved emotional traumas" and "the inherent peace of nothing/the universe/space".
You can have all these experiences without pretending there's a CARING God that actually does stuff for you..
It's a fucking lie mate. The world is just happenings. No difference between a birth and a baby getting stabbed (in the sense that reality will always carry on, it doesn't care).
You equate that with some form of moral relativism, because you miss the point. The point isn't that because these events, on a universal scale mean absolutely NOTHING MORE THAN WHAT THEY ARE IN THAT MOMENT..that somehow means we can't reason morality?
I am just pointing out the OBVIOUS fact that reality doesn't care about you. It carries on regardless, we are NOT the centre of this.
Obviously we can still reason as to how to have a society.. Jesus man...
There are stars existing 14 billion light years away from us right now. They exist in these moments. And that is true to say in all directions. And the universe is only getting bigger. Can you imagine the sheer amount of material that is out there?
You CANT imagine that. It is too big. Just look the fuck up. Look up. It is out there right NOW. Do you think God cares about you? Cmon mate, stare it in the fucking face, do you think God cares about you?
I don't, I just say there may be a creative intelligence, to distinguish between that position and the theistic position. I've got no idea whether there is a God or not but as Hitchens said "it works without that assumption"
@JJeventing: "god loves evry single one of you so much "
Yes, so much that he's only too happy to throw us into everlasting agony in hell for all eternity. So much that he condones slavery, rape, murder, bigotry, and a host of other horrible, horrible things. If that's his idea of "love", then fuck him. If that's his idea of "love", then I'm better than your god. Much, much better.
I am a medical person and I know physiology, anatomy of human being and have much interest in science subject than most of the atheists. You are living in delusion buddy. Believing in Evolution is more dangerous than believing in God. Most of the Atheists steal scientific facts to hide their delusion of evolution. It's just a theory just like Buddhist have their theory for life. Evolution is an Imagination, false ideas and dreams of evil people who love sin and fear to give an account to God.
@realtyofislam yenno im sad about the fact that you and i are possibly from the same part of the world, because it tells me that so many others from our part of the world might be as delusional as you are
I came here expecting this Turek guy to be a complete idiot, but I can actually respect the guy. He's at least looking at it scientifically. He still doesn't change my belief (or lack thereof)
turek comes on a bit strong to say the least...but i could have found what he was argueing in anselm or aquinas and likewise with hitchens/dawkins. people rarely bring up new arguments, but philosophers have been making them for centuries...in any case, one can appreciate these two minds coming together. but i want to say one thing. this is more than an intellectual debate...which ever side you take, you should realize that it has LIFE altering implications. i think its deppressing without god..
@infinit888 so you believe god is more aptly described as "the opiate of the masses." this realization does certainly make itself apparent when one says that they only believe in god in order to be comforted. however, one can also come to an intellectual realization that god must exist, then ponder how hopeless it would seem without god. but comfort is not the reason i believe in god, it is a side effect
@carlose0318 I think "the comforter of the masses" might be more accurate. While to some people god can be a drug they are clearly in the minority. Sure one can however it is rarely the case. Indeed it is often cited as one of the reasons to believe in god. Emotional attachments to beliefs are generally problematic because they color reason and sometimes even the experiences themselves.
@infinit888 you're right about that. but i'm trying to convey to you the distinction betweenusing this sense of comfort as the primary reason for believing in god vs arriving at the same conclusion through intellectual contemplation, then also being comforted by it. i may not be making any sense....but i got that quote "opiate of the masses" from skinner (i think). i meant to convey a similar thing to what you said. it essentially is just a comfort for some people.
@carlose0318 I understand what you mean -> "Sure one can". I was just commenting on the rarity of the order.
The quote "opiate of the masses" is attributed to Marx but Marx uses it in a somewhat different context. But yes I do agree it comforts people.
I guess it just seemed strange you gave us none of your reasons but commented on the comfort you derive from your reasons but perhaps you weren't even trying to convince someone to your point of view.
@infinit888 marx that's right...not sure why i thought skinner said that. silly me...
but yea i really didnt figure i'd spend time going into my arguments for why i think god must exist because you've probabbly already heard them. i am a fan of the cosmological argument. a lot of people are so astounded by the notion of something that came from nothing that it seems like too much of a leap of faith, i think that's where the line is drawn for many athiests/theists
@carlose0318 Yes that is true. I've heard many variations of the cosmological argument and have found them to be lacking one way or the other. After reading Hawkings latest book however I must say that I am somewhat able to suspend my incredulity that something could come from 'nothing'
In all fairness logically the only thing they could ever show is that X is the cause of the universe so I don't think that is where people draw the line. Dualism seems to be of more importance.
@infinit888 You sir are half correct. It is also the infinite nature of god that is of concern simply because assertions that claim god can be eternal and omni-whatever are the most conclusive proofs against the notion of a theism god, in my opinion.
In regards to dualism/materialism I like to hear people's reasoning on free will - if you have one I would be delighted to hear it.
@carlose0318 I'm interested to know how you grapple with these issues and that of infinite regression, as well.
@TheBadagris "I like to hear people's reasoning on free will"
When that happens I usually want to hear what people mean by free will because honestly I don't know what I should do with the 'free' part. What does that mean?
Usually what people seem to ask is if you agree with determinism.
@infinit888 Determinism I think is a bit unreasonable with knowledge of how quantum theory operates..but it doesn't aid the question on whether you can direct your own brain chemistry in a purposeful way that would not have occurred without said direction.
You can use any definition you feel is appropriate so long as reasoning backs up that model and the argument for it.
@mikefromwa i expected somebody to say that...god is only deppressing if you submit to the idea of the christian god of the bible or any other bullshit "sacred book...". you dont really understnad what god really is. i dont call myself part of a religion...i dont think god is some magical being that punishes or praises. i'm not surwe exactly what god is yet but i am working on it. it's not 100% a scientific matte so i may never know for sure. that's ok. i know something is "there"
@carlose0318: So you believe in "god", but have no idea what it is or what it may be or anything else? In other words, you believe in "something". That's kind of pointless in my opinion.
"i'm not surwe exactly what god is yet but i am working on it"
Yeah, well you get back to us when you find out, okay?
"i know something is "there"
No, you don't. You *think* something is there, but that's about as far as it goes.
Closing words, "God" believes there's a Christopher Hitchens, and "God" loves him.. yet he would send him to burn eternally, in unrelenting agony. Heh, okaaaay little Christians.
"self-professed "fanboy" of Hitchens' admitted that he was a "disappointment" in this debate. Indeed, watch as Hitchens dodges evidence for God given by Turek." <--- Hitchens DESTROYED that theist FAGGOT
we have never had nothing to examine to determine whether or not anything can come from it
give an example of a universe that's not fine tuned. that would be the only way to know ours is
i trust i don't have to address the design silliness
you don't know god exists so asserting there are objective moral values because of him is foolish. whats wrong with subjective moral values.. evidently they are how the world works
saying god is space-less, timeless, and immaterial is saying he doesnt exist
Can all please advise if the indeed there is some made our shoes , boxer , car and every thing around you there is someone make them , How come there is no one make us with all complex systems inside us !!! Can you please advise ?????????
@Needshoe just tell by simple words , do you really think there is someone made your shoes and there is no one make your brain , blood ,eyes ???? because you know there is some make your shoes even you never see him !!!!
@ahmedalbayati1 The appearance of design does not entail design. Especially when there is a perfectly feasible, robust and verifiable natural mechanism. However, even if it was conceded that there was a designer it does nothing to advance the claims of your particular sky-daddy. An entity so grandly capable of creation (lets disregard the requirement for infinite complexity regression here..) is unlikely to be associated with a resurrected jewish zombie or a paedophile on a flying horse.
@MrKentHovind the appearance of design dose mean there is something behind it , if you don't know what it is , that not mean he not exist ,,, Natural Mechanism , what that mean is like a dream , let Natural Mechanism manage your life ? let's see what can do , can do nothing because it have no will and no ability to make up your bed not you brain , I'm Muslim and Islam tell us that a lot of mistakes in the olds books but that not mean there is no GOD , Thanks for Clarification
@ahmedalbayati1 Evolution is sufficient to explain the appearance of design. it also, quite nicely, explains the "design" flaws that cannot be explained by a perfect creator.
@MrKentHovind Verily, in the creation of the heavens and of the earth, and the succession of night and day: and in the waters which God sends down from the sky, giving life thereby to the earth after it had, been lifeless, and causing all manner of living creatures to multiply thereon: and in the change of the winds, and the clouds that run their appointed courses between sky and earth: [in all this] there are messages indeed for people who use their reason. (164)
@ahmedalbayati1 again, this does nothing to prove your god, even if i concede that a god is required, your creation myth is no different from any other. use the reason you allude to friend.
@MrKentHovind Again, Is not bout my GOD , I don't want to approve my GOD to you , I want to say you have no approve that Natural Mechanism create us , Should be there biggest orgnaized power create us ,if we don't know it that not mean is not there , Do you agree with me in this point or not?
@MrKentHovind There is no evidence for Natural Mechanism , but since I knew there is some made my shoes ,boxer and laptop ... I knew for sure there is some thing made me ( hope not china ) , However , when I look to my body and all the system on it I knew there is agreat power behind them
@Aviationmonim No The accuracy of the systems inside us ( choose any simple system , The blood as example how is great ) and the systems around us like the moon ( one day = 1 time earth move around it self) the sun ( one year = 1 time the earth more around the sun) is because the natural mechanism , That how claver you are !!!!
@ahmedalbayati1 Accuracy? Relative to what? A lunar day is one revolution, a martian day is one revolution, they are all different amounts of time so what's your point? There is nothing accurate about measurements of time, we could say a day is a half rotation of the earth and it wouldn't make any difference. Everything on earth has a natural mechanism, life and non-life alike, it is all a chain reaction of interactions with an objects surroundings.
@mar504 What about your eyes and its mechanism, you brain cells ,all other systems , women and Man and how the child came from man and woman , All that came accidently !!!! if so why we don’t see different type of human out of 6 billion on earth today ? why we have to follow the same system , why the earth don’t more randomly ?
@ahmedalbayati1 I don't like the word accident, I prefer chance. Genetic mutation is all about chance, it is the basis of evolution. We have almost 7 billion people, your right, and the interesting thing is no 2 are exactly the same. We small genetic changes that make us different, some of us are superior athletes, some have great minds, some are born with more or less fingers or toes, some are able to see wavelengths of light no one else can. Humans are about as random as you can get.
@ahmedalbayati1 I don't like the word accident, I prefer chance. Genetic mutation is all about chance, it is the basis of evolution. We have almost 7 billion people, your right, and the interesting thing is no 2 are exactly the same. We small genetic changes that make us different, some of us are superior athletes, some have great minds, some are born with more or less fingers or toes, some are able to see wavelengths of light no one else can. Humans are about as random as you can get.
@mar504 the differences between the 7 billion is in minor things not in the major we all have one brain , two eyes....etc,however, the people are born with more or less fingers or toes is Abnormal issue and we don't make judgment on Abnormal issues. the question is what the chance of getting 7 billion things same in the majors design and different on the small details without a system run that? the differences you speak about could be part of the system not part of the chance .
@ahmedalbayati1 The system you are talking about is called DNA (Deoxyribonucleic acid), DNA is basically a blueprint of an organism and tells it how to "build itself". Khan Academy (it's free, check it out!) has some great videos on DNA, evolution, and biology that will answer these questions for you. I hope that answers your question, I don't have a background in biology, but it's systems and natural mechanisms are well understood by biologists.
@ahmedalbayati1 Scientists knew that genes carried the hereditary characteristics by means of substances inside the nucleus of the cell, but not how it was done. The mystery was gradually revealed from the early 1940s to the early 1960s. Genes are made up of DNA, and DNA contains the blueprints for every living organism. There is tons of information on the internet about DNA, just do some searches yourself. Does this make you skeptical of a higher power now?
@mar504 ٍ nice and May we will discover more things in future , can we start produce human kind ??? I know what is DNA , when I asked you ,I would like to say who make the DNA , how create it .... I think you will tell me by chance , again the chance not repeating for 7 Billion time in human and 8 billion in fish .... etc ,,, there is a power behind that more than chance ...
@ahmedalbayati1 Well that all depends on the species when you talk about the origin of replication. Prokaryotes (E. Coli and such) and Eukaryotes (us) come from different processes of DNA origination. Prokaryotes usually have one or just a few more types of origins (formations of nucleotides for one) during The Hadean period. Eukaryotes on the other hand have very different processes of origination. I could explain it but i'd take up two comment pages doing it :) hope this helps.
@ahmedalbayati1 DNA is self replicating, similar to other cells in the body. And yes, it is possible for us to produce more life from DNA, or alter DNA (we have done this already). DNA has a rather ingenious way of making copies of itself, again, you will need to study biology to understand, I cannot explain biology in a youtube comment box, there is far too much information.
@ahmedalbayati1 "when I asked you ,I would like to say who make the DNA , how create it"
'Whos' don't make DNA chemical conditions do. 'Whos' can manipulate chemical conditions however we know that DNA (essentially a polymer) can arise spontaniously in prebiotic terrestrial chemistry and that DNA is subject to mutations (chance) and natural selection (not chance!).
@ahmedalbayati1 "not in the major we all have one brain , two eyes....etc"
The reason our bodies all show the same basic structure is due to HOX-genes. They determine the basic structure and are shared by all bilaterian animals and evolved quite early on.
The HOX regions are highly conserved in all bilataria because they are essential to the survival of an organism and are thus exposed to large evolutionary pressures.
Yes lets do look at our eyes. Not only are they inferior to those of other animals they show two 'design' flaws which cannot be explained by invoking any intelligent supernatural 'designer'. Namely A) they've inside out and B) they have a blind spot.
"if so why we don’t see different type of human out of 6 billion on earth today" - Why? Because your tearing appart your own strawman that's why.
@ahmedalbayati1 Actually that's how stupid YOU are. The accuracy of a day? I'm laughing my socks off.
I have just noticed someone else above has pointed out the obvoious and it has to be said the obvious is clear to an idiot but not a moron. LOL
There is NOTHING accurate about a day or a year or any time span. It's simply a revolution of a planet and an orbit of it's star. Planets revolve at different rates and have different orbital lengths.
@tospam1 You are funny .,,, That's good , However , let's assume you right that planets its simply revolution and there no accurate about it , Can explain to me the rates of movement ,The earth since 4000 years at least have same rate movement around the sun ( since the earth's revolution) tell me is there any system more accurate than this ????? revelation its true , but revelation is not came from nothing , GOD made it and make every day , I dare you to revolution one human ?
@ahmedalbayati1 I think I see what you are saying about the days and years, i think the word you were looking for is consistent, not accurate. But that can be explained by Newtons first law of motion "Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it." Therefore the length of time it takes for the earth to rotate will be the same unless an external force is applied. Physics can explain why our days are the same length
claver? so because our bodily systems are accurate (which isnt true nothing in our body is truly perfect and has flaws) and thats not true one revolution around the sun does not equal exactly ONE year and because of inaccuracies like this we have something called LEAP year which just passed. Your saying that because something is accurate it must have a creator which is false
@ahmedalbayati1 If you had any idea how retarded your infantile stupidity is you would curl up in shame. What the fuck has a laptop got to do with evolution and your fantasy of invisible sky fairies?
And who made this invisible sky fairy you fantasise about? Same person who made the laptop? What a load of shit. LOL
And i'm also thinking I can see a laptop and I can even see a laptop being made but I never saw any invisible sky fairy and neither have you. LOL
@tospam1 Look my idea is simple which is the The accuracy of the systems inside us ( choose any simple system , The blood as example how is great ) and the systems around us like the moon ( one day = 1 time earth move around it self) the sun ( one year = 1 time the earth more around the sun) ... There is no way those system came By coincidence and who think that is really stupid and his brain loaded with his shit .
@ahmedalbayati1 "There is no way those system came By coincidence"
Yes you are partially correct gravity had a great influence on why these systems are what they are just like evolution (not random!) has a great influence on life is what it is.
unfortunately your a blind believer in Allah and that wont change because you simply dont want to accept facts besides the one provided to you by your parents or the quran. Dont try to play an open minded person when in truth your has open minded as the quran itself which isnt very
@Aviationmonim Believe in Allah (GOD) or Jesus is not the point of discussion , the facts to speak about its only a theory by other words its understanding for something without strong evidence , Religion like Islam came with a theory about God , life , Jesus...etc , the problem since 1400 years nothing in since disagree with it even part of evolution is part of Quran theory but the difference the Quran said GOD monitor it not start by its self , Let focus on facts and put your hate aside.
@ahmedalbayati1 "Should be there biggest orgnaized power create us"
No as a 'biggest orgazied[sic] power' does not account for flaws in biological system & the relationship of DNA between organisms. Modern evolutionary synthesis does account for these facts and makes predictions.
@Needshoe God already answer this question in Quran ,there is no enough space here , Please read 18 - ( 65 to 81 ) , you get the idea of this thing , if there is something you don't know the idea of it that don't mean there is no reason of it , that mean you are don't work hard to find it .....
@ahmedalbayati1 You want advice: Read the books by Dawkins, Mayr, Coyne or Shubin on Evolution. PZ Myers Pharyngula blog is also a great starting point. Science you know? Facts?
@twistedfool420 very nice , Can please advise if the indeed there is some made your shoes , boxer , car and every thing around you there is someone make them , How come there is no one make you with all complex systems inside you!!! Can you please advise ?????????
did 'god' tell a pack of feeding piranhas not to kill each other? why is it that humans are pretty much the only species that kill for the hell of it? wolves don't do it, even other primates don't do it, whales don't do it, etc. do these animals have morals?
Turek was not eloquent and witty like Hitchens, but his ostentatious points exposed Hitchens lack of foundation. Hitchens problem was that his appeal to morality slits the throat of his own premises, and he depended on cynicism, non-sequitur arguments and personal jabs to avoid answering questions. Turek’s problem is that he either chooses not or cannot match Hitchen’s swift sarcasm.
All the god junkies believe in the god of their parents. Just a fun fact.
I love it when Turek talks about extreme fine tuning of our planet, when in reality over half of our planet is completely unsuited for human life - or at least extremely uncomfortable. Great design.
Why would a perfect being create such an imperfect planet? If I were a loving god, I would not let earthquakes, tornados, tsunamis and drought happen. Because I would be all powerful and loving.
"All the god junkies believe in the god of their parents"
That's first anything but a fact (or I'd be praying to some ancient germanic gods) and secondly known as the genetic fallacy - it just doesn't say anything about the truth of a belief how you came into believing it. It's also quite arrogant to assume that atheists are somewhat excluded from that...you have to grant every "god junkie" that he thought about that stuff just as carefully as you did.
To all you posters who claim that god gave man a sense of morality as opposed to man developing it on his own through evolution,I ask you this question,and I challenge you to answer it.How can a god who has shown by his actions,and lack of actions from the very beginning that he has a total lack of morals,decency and actuall concern for his children,be credited with giving that trait to mankind.And if you'r going to give me that free will crap,don't wast my time by responding.
Unbelievable, just when I think it cannot get any worst I find this debate.Mr Turek,like every other believer talks in circle and makes no sense at all,while Mr. Harris uses logic and commom sense,and moral sense to prove his points.
Hitchens explains Belief in God as slavery. Someone who planned & created &, instructed & judged & corrected & punished you, and then declares that is not freedom. Profess themselves to be wise but are fools. Hitchens parents, planned him (I hope), created, instructed, Judged, corrected, and punished him when wrong. Yet he calls his family Slave Masters? No, they loved him,cared for him and were protecting him from being foolish. It makes one ask... Was Hitchens abandoned as a child? Seriously!
@bythebeardoflincoln thats jus the silliest analogy you could have used.. his parents punished him but they didnt torture him as compared with the punishment that god has instore for non believers in that lake of fire.. do you consider teaching children they will be burnt forever if they do not obey god something to be taken lightly.. If you do then your parents should have abandoned you at birth or aborted you to save the world from another imbecile.
@berxamag Hell is a thing not really fully difined in christianity, most of what is viewed as hell seems to be taken from dontes' inferno I believe, the Jewish Old Testament had no hell, actually the most tradional really views of hell from a christian standpoint is outer darkness. Its just an area were you have no relation to God you never have his presance ever again. Islam though is a burning torching hell there, but for most they are not always stuck there forever only the really bad,
@bythebeardoflincoln Depends really on how your are taught, praying, and worshiping God, can be viewed as slavery, doing good things only to get into heaven, those are basic concepts. Islam actually states people are God's slaves, in most Mega churches Today, God is more of the people are partying too, but thats not really the more traditional, Medevil view, Hitchens refers too, Think of more old school catholic he may of been raised that way I have no clue, fear God, etc..
Turek tries to back the Atheist into a corner the same way William Lane Craig tries to do. Turek says the Atheist has to explain a lists of things which Turek knows no-one can answer. Yet Turek, like every Christian that I've have seen in a debate goes far short of giving any evidence to God. Not only do they fail at that, they don't even feel they should have to try.Tureks arguements are basically the same as Craigs, unverifiable rubbish.
@TheEarthFirst True, and yet Hitchens still manages to give brilliant answers to even some of his stupidest questions. By the end of this debate It really feels like Turek is clutching at straws.
@PieKeyLime - Yes, He was brilliant wasn't he? I like how mad he always makes the other debater. Did you read the God Delusion? One of the best books I have read.
Yummmm key lime Pie!!! Now I'm glad I need to going shopping!
hitchens won on my opinion
psnflak88 2 minutes ago
Do not judge me Mr. Turek! You have zero authority to tell me why I think. I think therefore I am, and I am how others see me right or wrong.
Your faith comes down to the indoctrination of children...... it is hard to fight it - just look at islamists....... RIP Mr. Hitchens
tre243t 10 hours ago
I heard Christopher Hitchens was a chronic masturbator, pedophile, serial rapist, atheist, and closet homosexual. Any truth to that?
Entropy56 14 hours ago
@Entropy56 Aside from the atheist part, and the partial truth that Hitchens had had homosexual experiences when he was younger, uhm, no. No truth to that. NEXT!!!
MrJmhardison 10 hours ago
@MrJmhardison Next? Okay. I heard Christopher Hitchens got his ass kicked by auto-erotic asphyxia. Any truth to that?
Entropy56 4 hours ago
@Entropy56 No. But, it is rather, what's the word? QUEER that you would know anything about as much. Enough even to stretch it out into a polysyllabic term.
MrJmhardison 3 hours ago
@MrJmhardison I learned about auto-erotic asphyxia from the death of David Carradine. However, excessive drinking, smoking, masturbating, etc. seems to be another form of a death wish. I can understand his personal anguish due to his Jewish mother’s suicide. Often traumatic experiences lead one to all these behaviors. I’m just trying to figure out which one of these led to his death.
Entropy56 36 minutes ago
@Entropy56 I hear you are a troll. Any truth to that? Yes.
TomFynn 45 minutes ago
@TomFynn I'm not sure it that is the right word for it. Perhaps doing kinky things in private would account for Hitchens secret life and why no one can account for his alleged self hatred and sucide.
Entropy56 30 minutes ago
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I used to be an atheist myself, but I am a scientist, my message is based on current study and research, Read the given website in flesh: godsurety . org .Listen to the educated people. Mr Dawkins has stopped studying, He wants to make MONEY out of low mentality mass, who hate the feeling of "somebody great" naturally "wired" in their brain. Otherwise, his "God Delusion" will be out of business even "God" has been proven Scientifically and it is > F.O.C, Update yourself : godsurety . org
Ordeal1000 21 hours ago
And to add, in his closing statement Turek is clutching at straws like I've never seen before in a public debate.
When he said "Christopher wants to be god", I, and I think the audience also, were stunned at his stupidity.
sinistergnr 1 day ago
Hitch took Turek's opening statement apart and educated people while doing it.
sinistergnr 1 day ago
If Turek doesn't know, another atheist explanation of the world around him is called science.
normalkuriboh 1 day ago
You are missed, Hitchens...
PokkiTube 2 days ago
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@PokkiTube Ironially, in his grave, he would have found out that there is a God. May Allah(God and all his 99 mighty names; most gracious, most merciful...) guid us.
oblivionreb 1 day ago
Usually when people try to get there point across by yelling it at me I assume they're spewing bullshit.
Which is why I assume most preachers are spewing bullshit.
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mikefromwa 3 days ago
@mikefromwa Heyheyhey! Re-read the context of my post lol. You totally misinterpreted.
TheBadagris 3 days ago
@mikefromwa hmmm.... pedophile is such a harsh word. Don't be ignorant please. Open your eyes and read his history from liable sources. Get a book about his life instead of reading anti-islamic statements online. We respect Jesus( peace be upon him). If you're an atheist or a christian, dont be so quick to judge.
oblivionreb 3 days ago
@oblivionreb: "pedophile is such a harsh word"
If by "harsh" you mean "true", then you're right.
"read his history from liable sources"
Like the Koran? It's a well-accepted fact that he married Alisha when she was 6 and consummated the marriage when she was about 9. What would you call that if not a pedophile?
Stop making excuses for this sick, violent asshole and face the facts. Your prophet was a fucking child molester.
mikefromwa 3 days ago
@mikefromwa there you go again. A pedophile is someone who rapes or hunts young girls. This was a marriage. His beloved friend, Abu Bakr( may Allah be pleased with him) offered his daughter to Muhammad(S). He only had intercourse when she reached puberty. So, you can stop acting like a lunatic
oblivionreb 1 day ago
@oblivionreb: "A pedophile is someone who rapes or hunts young girls"
Exactly, just like your prophet Mohammed.
"offered his daughter to Muhammad"
So, the daughter was property, to be given away like an ashtray?
"He only had intercourse when she reached puberty"
No, she was 9 years old when she was raped by Mohammed.
"stop acting like a lunatic"
Stop trying to justify the rape of a prepubescent girl! You're disgusting, just like your child-raping prophet.
mikefromwa 1 day ago
The bible is not the best way to "prove" the existence of God. The Qur'an is the best; read it. If you read the translation at least, and without ill-will, you will be enlightened by God's will.
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TheBadagris 3 days ago
HItchens stray away from the topic completely.. instead he bashes the Catholics... saying us being a slave.. says there is better explanation other than God but but fail to lay the details... put words in Einstein mouth....he is incapable to debate this topic.... period... well he's dead anyway..
grazzhood71 4 days ago
@grazzhood71
I think your capacity to debate, and id argue even conceptualize the issues in this debate is in question.
BreenLite69 4 days ago
@grazzhood71 that's some pathetic grammar for someone claiming that he knows better than a professional.
al100570ex 4 days ago
@al100570ex Whatever dude.. English is not my mother tongue.. I'm not claiming anything... did you watch the whole debate to realize the obvious?.. You need a scientist to debate those facts presented by Frank.. not a political writer..
p/s - try to use hybrid picking in your guitar playing.. makes your dream on cover more piano like
grazzhood71 4 days ago
@grazzhood71 oh. well thanks for watching my video...I guess. It's like a year old so I'm better now. I play the piano too so maybe that factors in haha.
al100570ex 3 days ago
@al100570ex Yeah.. wish you all the best with your music..
grazzhood71 2 days ago
Is Hitchen completely awake? This was very dissappointing. I thought better of him, I have seen him do MUCH better.
jooke86 4 days ago
Frank shouts, yes. His voice is starting to brake allready by 18min.
jooke86 4 days ago
his atempt at comedy was worse than "the situation's" attempt on Donald trumps roast.
gibbsboroturtle 5 days ago
Frank needs to stop shouting......it's annoying.
LambadLambadLambda 5 days ago
Hitchens will be missed! From 1:33:08 - 1:34:00 is pure brilliance!
jakeyw11 5 days ago
The problem with the Cosmological argument is that it is based on common sense, but this is NOT what happens in quantum physics. We now know that atoms act differently when being observed amongst many other strange things- none of this is common sense derived from everyday occurrences - and neither was the beginning of the universe.. look up quantum vacuum fluctuations or look at "A universe from nothing" by Lawrence Krauss on youtube.. very enlightening
slipknotbmth 6 days ago
holy crap this is hilarious
Aviationmonim 1 week ago
Turek had nothing. From the get go he decided to scattershot bullshit all over the scene.
So fucking manly of Christopher to ignore that gimp and state his points like the herculean example of a debater he was.
I miss you Christopher.
dreihaddar 1 week ago
Frank Turek what a smart man but tragic that this man still listens to the brainwashing's of his parents
Aviationmonim 1 week ago
" i dont have enough faith to be an Atheist" WTF????!!!
does this make sense to anyone?
Imreason 1 week ago
I love how you can see the tan-line on Hitch's cheek from his shaved-off beard.
Pinkaugust 1 week ago
*Comes back at 58:30 after making a sandwich, thinking* Time for a Hitchslap, Turek!
Pinkaugust 1 week ago
Longest youtube video i have ever watched
S4ukk0 1 week ago
its very annoying how hitchens continues to interrupt Turek or don't let him speak....
bassmama713 1 week ago
Hitchens mopped the floor with Frank "The Liar" Turek.
mikefromwa 1 week ago
@mikefromwa that's based on your opinion sir, I am an evolutionist, but I am a fair evolutionist. I want to give my honest of the debate and I think Hitchens was poorly organized for this debate and he really did fail at directly answering the questions that Turek placed before. Hitchens was not the winner of this debate.
flickapix 1 week ago
@flickapix: You're entitled to your opinion, but I think we'll have to disagree on this one. I think Turek (like many believers) asks questions that make little sense and are often self-referential or circular in nature.
mikefromwa 1 week ago
Was description meant to be sarcastic?
DemimondXXIII 1 week ago
god loves evry single one of you so much that he has given us free will to think and say what we want to say he will not force you to believe what you dont want to he loves you to much to do that.
JJeventing 1 week ago
@JJeventing
Bullshit.
The universe exists, earth exists, we can make choices..
THAT IS ALL WE KNOW
DO NOT PRETEND TO KNOW THERE IS A GOD
STOP LYING TO YOURSELF
Absiintheee 1 week ago 2
@Absiintheee paha i have my own mind i mind own opinion God gave me the right to be able to this, i would prefer to think that i have someone loving and looking after me just than i exsist thats it, its a big thing called faith and its much stronger then any science fact, I love God.
JJeventing 6 days ago
@JJeventing
No, reality gave you this ability. Existence. It. Doesn't. Give. A. Shit. About. You.
Hurricanes, tidal waves, tsunamis, murders, rapes, viruses, disease.. It all comes from GROWTH and existing.
There is NO caring God. There may be some kind of creative intelligence but it certainly doesn't give a shit about you.
Your "faith" is a butchery of what Jesus taught. Jesus' faith was the faith that if he fell and fell, there would always be that which can never fall (reality)
Absiintheee 6 days ago
@JJeventing
Whereas your faith is akin to wishing upon a star or feeling a bit of peace.
Just stop equating reality with the notion of a God that cares about you.
It's fucking wishful mate and you know that somewhere.
Think about it, whatever experiences you've had. You had those experiences... But it doesn't mean that the thing you were attributing them to exists. I have experienced "my sins forgiven".. and "the grace of God" and honest to GOD mate it is not sophisticated.
Absiintheee 6 days ago
@JJeventing
In a normal world we would just call those two processes "accepting unresolved emotional traumas" and "the inherent peace of nothing/the universe/space".
You can have all these experiences without pretending there's a CARING God that actually does stuff for you..
It's a fucking lie mate. The world is just happenings. No difference between a birth and a baby getting stabbed (in the sense that reality will always carry on, it doesn't care).
But I don't have to say they are equal
Absiintheee 6 days ago
@JJeventing
You equate that with some form of moral relativism, because you miss the point. The point isn't that because these events, on a universal scale mean absolutely NOTHING MORE THAN WHAT THEY ARE IN THAT MOMENT..that somehow means we can't reason morality?
I am just pointing out the OBVIOUS fact that reality doesn't care about you. It carries on regardless, we are NOT the centre of this.
Obviously we can still reason as to how to have a society.. Jesus man...
Absiintheee 6 days ago
@JJeventing
There are stars existing 14 billion light years away from us right now. They exist in these moments. And that is true to say in all directions. And the universe is only getting bigger. Can you imagine the sheer amount of material that is out there?
You CANT imagine that. It is too big. Just look the fuck up. Look up. It is out there right NOW. Do you think God cares about you? Cmon mate, stare it in the fucking face, do you think God cares about you?
Absiintheee 6 days ago
@Absiintheee: "do you think God cares about you?"
Exactly. Even if there was a god (and there isn't), he wouldn't give a rats ass about us.
mikefromwa 6 days ago
@Absiintheee Why do you assume any kind of deity exists?
AHundredButterflies 4 days ago
@AHundredButterflies
I don't, I just say there may be a creative intelligence, to distinguish between that position and the theistic position. I've got no idea whether there is a God or not but as Hitchens said "it works without that assumption"
Absiintheee 4 days ago
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@JJeventing: "god loves evry single one of you so much "
Yes, so much that he's only too happy to throw us into everlasting agony in hell for all eternity. So much that he condones slavery, rape, murder, bigotry, and a host of other horrible, horrible things. If that's his idea of "love", then fuck him. If that's his idea of "love", then I'm better than your god. Much, much better.
mikefromwa 1 week ago
I am a medical person and I know physiology, anatomy of human being and have much interest in science subject than most of the atheists. You are living in delusion buddy. Believing in Evolution is more dangerous than believing in God. Most of the Atheists steal scientific facts to hide their delusion of evolution. It's just a theory just like Buddhist have their theory for life. Evolution is an Imagination, false ideas and dreams of evil people who love sin and fear to give an account to God.
realtyofislam 1 week ago
@realtyofislam You are no person of science or medicine. You are a lie.
Bronsonp95 1 week ago
@realtyofislam yenno im sad about the fact that you and i are possibly from the same part of the world, because it tells me that so many others from our part of the world might be as delusional as you are
discovermoi 1 week ago
@realtyofislam
I don't think you understand evolution.
It makes predictions previously unknown and then observed in nature.
It also is historically observable
Saying evolution is a belief is like saying electricity and magnetism is a belief.
calvingeorge 1 week ago
@realtyofislam trololololol I bet you do homeopathy.
TheBadagris 3 days ago
I came here expecting this Turek guy to be a complete idiot, but I can actually respect the guy. He's at least looking at it scientifically. He still doesn't change my belief (or lack thereof)
ThereWillBeBreakfast 1 week ago
turek comes on a bit strong to say the least...but i could have found what he was argueing in anselm or aquinas and likewise with hitchens/dawkins. people rarely bring up new arguments, but philosophers have been making them for centuries...in any case, one can appreciate these two minds coming together. but i want to say one thing. this is more than an intellectual debate...which ever side you take, you should realize that it has LIFE altering implications. i think its deppressing without god..
carlose0318 1 week ago
@carlose0318 "i think its deppressing without god.."
The drunk is also depressed without his bottle
infinit888 1 week ago
@infinit888 so you believe god is more aptly described as "the opiate of the masses." this realization does certainly make itself apparent when one says that they only believe in god in order to be comforted. however, one can also come to an intellectual realization that god must exist, then ponder how hopeless it would seem without god. but comfort is not the reason i believe in god, it is a side effect
carlose0318 1 week ago
@carlose0318 I think "the comforter of the masses" might be more accurate. While to some people god can be a drug they are clearly in the minority. Sure one can however it is rarely the case. Indeed it is often cited as one of the reasons to believe in god. Emotional attachments to beliefs are generally problematic because they color reason and sometimes even the experiences themselves.
infinit888 1 week ago
@infinit888 you're right about that. but i'm trying to convey to you the distinction betweenusing this sense of comfort as the primary reason for believing in god vs arriving at the same conclusion through intellectual contemplation, then also being comforted by it. i may not be making any sense....but i got that quote "opiate of the masses" from skinner (i think). i meant to convey a similar thing to what you said. it essentially is just a comfort for some people.
carlose0318 1 week ago
@carlose0318 I understand what you mean -> "Sure one can". I was just commenting on the rarity of the order.
The quote "opiate of the masses" is attributed to Marx but Marx uses it in a somewhat different context. But yes I do agree it comforts people.
I guess it just seemed strange you gave us none of your reasons but commented on the comfort you derive from your reasons but perhaps you weren't even trying to convince someone to your point of view.
infinit888 1 week ago
@infinit888 marx that's right...not sure why i thought skinner said that. silly me...
but yea i really didnt figure i'd spend time going into my arguments for why i think god must exist because you've probabbly already heard them. i am a fan of the cosmological argument. a lot of people are so astounded by the notion of something that came from nothing that it seems like too much of a leap of faith, i think that's where the line is drawn for many athiests/theists
carlose0318 1 week ago
@carlose0318 Yes that is true. I've heard many variations of the cosmological argument and have found them to be lacking one way or the other. After reading Hawkings latest book however I must say that I am somewhat able to suspend my incredulity that something could come from 'nothing'
In all fairness logically the only thing they could ever show is that X is the cause of the universe so I don't think that is where people draw the line. Dualism seems to be of more importance.
infinit888 1 week ago
@infinit888 You sir are half correct. It is also the infinite nature of god that is of concern simply because assertions that claim god can be eternal and omni-whatever are the most conclusive proofs against the notion of a theism god, in my opinion.
In regards to dualism/materialism I like to hear people's reasoning on free will - if you have one I would be delighted to hear it.
@carlose0318 I'm interested to know how you grapple with these issues and that of infinite regression, as well.
TheBadagris 3 days ago
@TheBadagris "I like to hear people's reasoning on free will"
When that happens I usually want to hear what people mean by free will because honestly I don't know what I should do with the 'free' part. What does that mean?
Usually what people seem to ask is if you agree with determinism.
infinit888 3 days ago
@infinit888 Determinism I think is a bit unreasonable with knowledge of how quantum theory operates..but it doesn't aid the question on whether you can direct your own brain chemistry in a purposeful way that would not have occurred without said direction.
You can use any definition you feel is appropriate so long as reasoning backs up that model and the argument for it.
TheBadagris 2 days ago
@carlose0318: "i think its deppressing without god.."
I think it's far more depressing with god than without.
mikefromwa 1 week ago
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carlose0318 1 week ago
@mikefromwa i expected somebody to say that...god is only deppressing if you submit to the idea of the christian god of the bible or any other bullshit "sacred book...". you dont really understnad what god really is. i dont call myself part of a religion...i dont think god is some magical being that punishes or praises. i'm not surwe exactly what god is yet but i am working on it. it's not 100% a scientific matte so i may never know for sure. that's ok. i know something is "there"
carlose0318 1 week ago
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@carlose0318: So you believe in "god", but have no idea what it is or what it may be or anything else? In other words, you believe in "something". That's kind of pointless in my opinion.
"i'm not surwe exactly what god is yet but i am working on it"
Yeah, well you get back to us when you find out, okay?
"i know something is "there"
No, you don't. You *think* something is there, but that's about as far as it goes.
mikefromwa 1 week ago
Turek is so stupid it blows my mind.
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Closing words, "God" believes there's a Christopher Hitchens, and "God" loves him.. yet he would send him to burn eternally, in unrelenting agony. Heh, okaaaay little Christians.
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WhoClashQueenStones 1 week ago
"self-professed "fanboy" of Hitchens' admitted that he was a "disappointment" in this debate. Indeed, watch as Hitchens dodges evidence for God given by Turek." <--- Hitchens DESTROYED that theist FAGGOT
Dodger718 1 week ago
@Dodger718 Umm... are you sure you were watching the right debate?
UnkownSoldier100 1 week ago
we have never had nothing to examine to determine whether or not anything can come from it
give an example of a universe that's not fine tuned. that would be the only way to know ours is
i trust i don't have to address the design silliness
you don't know god exists so asserting there are objective moral values because of him is foolish. whats wrong with subjective moral values.. evidently they are how the world works
saying god is space-less, timeless, and immaterial is saying he doesnt exist
snoweyeball 1 week ago
Can all please advise if the indeed there is some made our shoes , boxer , car and every thing around you there is someone make them , How come there is no one make us with all complex systems inside us !!! Can you please advise ?????????
ahmedalbayati1 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1
Go read up on Evolution.
Needshoe 1 week ago
@Needshoe just tell by simple words , do you really think there is someone made your shoes and there is no one make your brain , blood ,eyes ???? because you know there is some make your shoes even you never see him !!!!
ahmedalbayati1 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 The appearance of design does not entail design. Especially when there is a perfectly feasible, robust and verifiable natural mechanism. However, even if it was conceded that there was a designer it does nothing to advance the claims of your particular sky-daddy. An entity so grandly capable of creation (lets disregard the requirement for infinite complexity regression here..) is unlikely to be associated with a resurrected jewish zombie or a paedophile on a flying horse.
MrKentHovind 1 week ago
@MrKentHovind the appearance of design dose mean there is something behind it , if you don't know what it is , that not mean he not exist ,,, Natural Mechanism , what that mean is like a dream , let Natural Mechanism manage your life ? let's see what can do , can do nothing because it have no will and no ability to make up your bed not you brain , I'm Muslim and Islam tell us that a lot of mistakes in the olds books but that not mean there is no GOD , Thanks for Clarification
ahmedalbayati1 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 Evolution is sufficient to explain the appearance of design. it also, quite nicely, explains the "design" flaws that cannot be explained by a perfect creator.
MrKentHovind 1 week ago
@MrKentHovind Verily, in the creation of the heavens and of the earth, and the succession of night and day: and in the waters which God sends down from the sky, giving life thereby to the earth after it had, been lifeless, and causing all manner of living creatures to multiply thereon: and in the change of the winds, and the clouds that run their appointed courses between sky and earth: [in all this] there are messages indeed for people who use their reason. (164)
ahmedalbayati1 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 again, this does nothing to prove your god, even if i concede that a god is required, your creation myth is no different from any other. use the reason you allude to friend.
MrKentHovind 1 week ago
@MrKentHovind Again, Is not bout my GOD , I don't want to approve my GOD to you , I want to say you have no approve that Natural Mechanism create us , Should be there biggest orgnaized power create us ,if we don't know it that not mean is not there , Do you agree with me in this point or not?
ahmedalbayati1 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. There is evidence for evolution. There is no evidence for god.
MrKentHovind 1 week ago
@MrKentHovind There is no evidence for Natural Mechanism , but since I knew there is some made my shoes ,boxer and laptop ... I knew for sure there is some thing made me ( hope not china ) , However , when I look to my body and all the system on it I knew there is agreat power behind them
ahmedalbayati1 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1
a great power behind the systems of your body? so because your body is complex it must have a creator behind it?
Aviationmonim 1 week ago
@Aviationmonim No The accuracy of the systems inside us ( choose any simple system , The blood as example how is great ) and the systems around us like the moon ( one day = 1 time earth move around it self) the sun ( one year = 1 time the earth more around the sun) is because the natural mechanism , That how claver you are !!!!
ahmedalbayati1 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 Accuracy? Relative to what? A lunar day is one revolution, a martian day is one revolution, they are all different amounts of time so what's your point? There is nothing accurate about measurements of time, we could say a day is a half rotation of the earth and it wouldn't make any difference. Everything on earth has a natural mechanism, life and non-life alike, it is all a chain reaction of interactions with an objects surroundings.
mar504 1 week ago
@mar504 What about your eyes and its mechanism, you brain cells ,all other systems , women and Man and how the child came from man and woman , All that came accidently !!!! if so why we don’t see different type of human out of 6 billion on earth today ? why we have to follow the same system , why the earth don’t more randomly ?
ahmedalbayati1 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 I don't like the word accident, I prefer chance. Genetic mutation is all about chance, it is the basis of evolution. We have almost 7 billion people, your right, and the interesting thing is no 2 are exactly the same. We small genetic changes that make us different, some of us are superior athletes, some have great minds, some are born with more or less fingers or toes, some are able to see wavelengths of light no one else can. Humans are about as random as you can get.
mar504 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 I don't like the word accident, I prefer chance. Genetic mutation is all about chance, it is the basis of evolution. We have almost 7 billion people, your right, and the interesting thing is no 2 are exactly the same. We small genetic changes that make us different, some of us are superior athletes, some have great minds, some are born with more or less fingers or toes, some are able to see wavelengths of light no one else can. Humans are about as random as you can get.
mar504 1 week ago
@mar504 the differences between the 7 billion is in minor things not in the major we all have one brain , two eyes....etc,however, the people are born with more or less fingers or toes is Abnormal issue and we don't make judgment on Abnormal issues. the question is what the chance of getting 7 billion things same in the majors design and different on the small details without a system run that? the differences you speak about could be part of the system not part of the chance .
ahmedalbayati1 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 The system you are talking about is called DNA (Deoxyribonucleic acid), DNA is basically a blueprint of an organism and tells it how to "build itself". Khan Academy (it's free, check it out!) has some great videos on DNA, evolution, and biology that will answer these questions for you. I hope that answers your question, I don't have a background in biology, but it's systems and natural mechanisms are well understood by biologists.
mar504 1 week ago
@mar504 how found DNA ???
ahmedalbayati1 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 Scientists knew that genes carried the hereditary characteristics by means of substances inside the nucleus of the cell, but not how it was done. The mystery was gradually revealed from the early 1940s to the early 1960s. Genes are made up of DNA, and DNA contains the blueprints for every living organism. There is tons of information on the internet about DNA, just do some searches yourself. Does this make you skeptical of a higher power now?
mar504 1 week ago
@mar504 ٍ nice and May we will discover more things in future , can we start produce human kind ??? I know what is DNA , when I asked you ,I would like to say who make the DNA , how create it .... I think you will tell me by chance , again the chance not repeating for 7 Billion time in human and 8 billion in fish .... etc ,,, there is a power behind that more than chance ...
ahmedalbayati1 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 Well that all depends on the species when you talk about the origin of replication. Prokaryotes (E. Coli and such) and Eukaryotes (us) come from different processes of DNA origination. Prokaryotes usually have one or just a few more types of origins (formations of nucleotides for one) during The Hadean period. Eukaryotes on the other hand have very different processes of origination. I could explain it but i'd take up two comment pages doing it :) hope this helps.
Curassus 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 DNA is self replicating, similar to other cells in the body. And yes, it is possible for us to produce more life from DNA, or alter DNA (we have done this already). DNA has a rather ingenious way of making copies of itself, again, you will need to study biology to understand, I cannot explain biology in a youtube comment box, there is far too much information.
mar504 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 go to wikipedia and type "DNA replication" to see how it works
mar504 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 "when I asked you ,I would like to say who make the DNA , how create it"
'Whos' don't make DNA chemical conditions do. 'Whos' can manipulate chemical conditions however we know that DNA (essentially a polymer) can arise spontaniously in prebiotic terrestrial chemistry and that DNA is subject to mutations (chance) and natural selection (not chance!).
infinit888 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 "not in the major we all have one brain , two eyes....etc"
The reason our bodies all show the same basic structure is due to HOX-genes. They determine the basic structure and are shared by all bilaterian animals and evolved quite early on.
The HOX regions are highly conserved in all bilataria because they are essential to the survival of an organism and are thus exposed to large evolutionary pressures.
infinit888 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 "What about your eyes and its mechanism"
Yes lets do look at our eyes. Not only are they inferior to those of other animals they show two 'design' flaws which cannot be explained by invoking any intelligent supernatural 'designer'. Namely A) they've inside out and B) they have a blind spot.
"if so why we don’t see different type of human out of 6 billion on earth today" - Why? Because your tearing appart your own strawman that's why.
infinit888 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 Actually that's how stupid YOU are. The accuracy of a day? I'm laughing my socks off.
I have just noticed someone else above has pointed out the obvoious and it has to be said the obvious is clear to an idiot but not a moron. LOL
There is NOTHING accurate about a day or a year or any time span. It's simply a revolution of a planet and an orbit of it's star. Planets revolve at different rates and have different orbital lengths.
What a load of shit you talk. LOL
tospam1 1 week ago
@tospam1 You are funny .,,, That's good , However , let's assume you right that planets its simply revolution and there no accurate about it , Can explain to me the rates of movement ,The earth since 4000 years at least have same rate movement around the sun ( since the earth's revolution) tell me is there any system more accurate than this ????? revelation its true , but revelation is not came from nothing , GOD made it and make every day , I dare you to revolution one human ?
ahmedalbayati1 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 I think I see what you are saying about the days and years, i think the word you were looking for is consistent, not accurate. But that can be explained by Newtons first law of motion "Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it." Therefore the length of time it takes for the earth to rotate will be the same unless an external force is applied. Physics can explain why our days are the same length
mar504 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1
claver? so because our bodily systems are accurate (which isnt true nothing in our body is truly perfect and has flaws) and thats not true one revolution around the sun does not equal exactly ONE year and because of inaccuracies like this we have something called LEAP year which just passed. Your saying that because something is accurate it must have a creator which is false
Aviationmonim 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 If you had any idea how retarded your infantile stupidity is you would curl up in shame. What the fuck has a laptop got to do with evolution and your fantasy of invisible sky fairies?
And who made this invisible sky fairy you fantasise about? Same person who made the laptop? What a load of shit. LOL
And i'm also thinking I can see a laptop and I can even see a laptop being made but I never saw any invisible sky fairy and neither have you. LOL
tospam1 1 week ago
@tospam1 Look my idea is simple which is the The accuracy of the systems inside us ( choose any simple system , The blood as example how is great ) and the systems around us like the moon ( one day = 1 time earth move around it self) the sun ( one year = 1 time the earth more around the sun) ... There is no way those system came By coincidence and who think that is really stupid and his brain loaded with his shit .
ahmedalbayati1 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 "There is no way those system came By coincidence"
Yes you are partially correct gravity had a great influence on why these systems are what they are just like evolution (not random!) has a great influence on life is what it is.
infinit888 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1
unfortunately your a blind believer in Allah and that wont change because you simply dont want to accept facts besides the one provided to you by your parents or the quran. Dont try to play an open minded person when in truth your has open minded as the quran itself which isnt very
Aviationmonim 1 week ago
@Aviationmonim Believe in Allah (GOD) or Jesus is not the point of discussion , the facts to speak about its only a theory by other words its understanding for something without strong evidence , Religion like Islam came with a theory about God , life , Jesus...etc , the problem since 1400 years nothing in since disagree with it even part of evolution is part of Quran theory but the difference the Quran said GOD monitor it not start by its self , Let focus on facts and put your hate aside.
ahmedalbayati1 6 days ago
@ahmedalbayati1 "Should be there biggest orgnaized power create us"
No as a 'biggest orgazied[sic] power' does not account for flaws in biological system & the relationship of DNA between organisms. Modern evolutionary synthesis does account for these facts and makes predictions.
infinit888 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1
Can you ask god why god make conjoined twins. Or why god make people who are born bind, deaf, deform ect....
Needshoe 1 week ago
@Needshoe God already answer this question in Quran ,there is no enough space here , Please read 18 - ( 65 to 81 ) , you get the idea of this thing , if there is something you don't know the idea of it that don't mean there is no reason of it , that mean you are don't work hard to find it .....
ahmedalbayati1 1 week ago
@ahmedalbayati1 You want advice: Read the books by Dawkins, Mayr, Coyne or Shubin on Evolution. PZ Myers Pharyngula blog is also a great starting point. Science you know? Facts?
TomFynn 1 week ago
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Religion no but a God of sorts, as possible as not. for me anyway.
keithpaz 1 week ago
Religion no but a God of sorts, as possible as not. for me anyway.
keithpaz 1 week ago
Religion is already dead, it's just withering and jumping around with it's head cut off now...
twistedfool420 1 week ago
@twistedfool420 very nice , Can please advise if the indeed there is some made your shoes , boxer , car and every thing around you there is someone make them , How come there is no one make you with all complex systems inside you!!! Can you please advise ?????????
ahmedalbayati1 1 week ago
did 'god' tell a pack of feeding piranhas not to kill each other? why is it that humans are pretty much the only species that kill for the hell of it? wolves don't do it, even other primates don't do it, whales don't do it, etc. do these animals have morals?
TAXEXEMPTION 1 week ago
Turek was not eloquent and witty like Hitchens, but his ostentatious points exposed Hitchens lack of foundation. Hitchens problem was that his appeal to morality slits the throat of his own premises, and he depended on cynicism, non-sequitur arguments and personal jabs to avoid answering questions. Turek’s problem is that he either chooses not or cannot match Hitchen’s swift sarcasm.
BananaandKiwi 1 week ago
why did that dumb guy yell through the whole debate? He hurt my eardrums.
Mermaid4321 1 week ago
@Mermaid4321 I wouldn't say he's dumb, but yeah he's definitely yelling. ( I'm on Christopher's side btw)
Mfolsom245 1 week ago
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YouTutorials0 2 weeks ago
All the god junkies believe in the god of their parents. Just a fun fact.
I love it when Turek talks about extreme fine tuning of our planet, when in reality over half of our planet is completely unsuited for human life - or at least extremely uncomfortable. Great design.
Why would a perfect being create such an imperfect planet? If I were a loving god, I would not let earthquakes, tornados, tsunamis and drought happen. Because I would be all powerful and loving.
DeusMerdaeEst 2 weeks ago
@DeusMerdaeEst
"All the god junkies believe in the god of their parents"
That's first anything but a fact (or I'd be praying to some ancient germanic gods) and secondly known as the genetic fallacy - it just doesn't say anything about the truth of a belief how you came into believing it. It's also quite arrogant to assume that atheists are somewhat excluded from that...you have to grant every "god junkie" that he thought about that stuff just as carefully as you did.
mawa89g 2 weeks ago
@mawa89g
Had you been born in Afghanistan, you'd be a muslim. That's how religion works all over the planet.
For most atheists is quite the opposite - the majority has been raised by religious parents.
Critical thinking is not encouraged by religions, because critical thinking (or in my case reading the bible) leads to atheism.
DeusMerdaeEst 2 weeks ago
@DeusMerdaeEst I was born in Afghanistan. Moved to spain when i was still a baby. At age 14 i became an atheist.
romin256 2 weeks ago
@romin256
Congratulations. Then you know that it's highly unlikely that you'd become an atheist had you still been living in Afghanistan.
DeusMerdaeEst 2 weeks ago
To all you posters who claim that god gave man a sense of morality as opposed to man developing it on his own through evolution,I ask you this question,and I challenge you to answer it.How can a god who has shown by his actions,and lack of actions from the very beginning that he has a total lack of morals,decency and actuall concern for his children,be credited with giving that trait to mankind.And if you'r going to give me that free will crap,don't wast my time by responding.
bongo7654 2 weeks ago
Naj, Harris is another atheist debater who I have watched.
bongo7654 2 weeks ago
Azu, I've been watching to many of these debates,my mistake,yes,I meant Mr. Hitchens
bongo7654 2 weeks ago
1:43:00 i remember a doctor house episode which said that theoretically a virgin pregnancy is possible but it had never been scientifically recorded
azur0x 2 weeks ago
Unbelievable, just when I think it cannot get any worst I find this debate.Mr Turek,like every other believer talks in circle and makes no sense at all,while Mr. Harris uses logic and commom sense,and moral sense to prove his points.
bongo7654 2 weeks ago
@bongo7654 Who is Harris?
najhoant 2 weeks ago
@bongo7654 don't you mean mr. hitchens?
azur0x 2 weeks ago
i changed my mind, around 16 and 18 he made many nonsensical comments
uneducatedboy 2 weeks ago
even though i disagree with the first man, he is still really smart.
uneducatedboy 2 weeks ago
Hitchens opening statements were disappointing. He was off-topic.
frostedpornflakes 2 weeks ago
I feel like Frank Turek can only express himself well by talking loader. Not by actually talking.
cnees208 2 weeks ago
Hitchens explains Belief in God as slavery. Someone who planned & created &, instructed & judged & corrected & punished you, and then declares that is not freedom. Profess themselves to be wise but are fools. Hitchens parents, planned him (I hope), created, instructed, Judged, corrected, and punished him when wrong. Yet he calls his family Slave Masters? No, they loved him,cared for him and were protecting him from being foolish. It makes one ask... Was Hitchens abandoned as a child? Seriously!
bythebeardoflincoln 2 weeks ago
@bythebeardoflincoln thats jus the silliest analogy you could have used.. his parents punished him but they didnt torture him as compared with the punishment that god has instore for non believers in that lake of fire.. do you consider teaching children they will be burnt forever if they do not obey god something to be taken lightly.. If you do then your parents should have abandoned you at birth or aborted you to save the world from another imbecile.
berxamag 2 weeks ago
@berxamag Hell is a thing not really fully difined in christianity, most of what is viewed as hell seems to be taken from dontes' inferno I believe, the Jewish Old Testament had no hell, actually the most tradional really views of hell from a christian standpoint is outer darkness. Its just an area were you have no relation to God you never have his presance ever again. Islam though is a burning torching hell there, but for most they are not always stuck there forever only the really bad,
ASexyChef 2 weeks ago
@bythebeardoflincoln Depends really on how your are taught, praying, and worshiping God, can be viewed as slavery, doing good things only to get into heaven, those are basic concepts. Islam actually states people are God's slaves, in most Mega churches Today, God is more of the people are partying too, but thats not really the more traditional, Medevil view, Hitchens refers too, Think of more old school catholic he may of been raised that way I have no clue, fear God, etc..
ASexyChef 2 weeks ago
Gloating over the misfortunes of other people.
cnees208 2 weeks ago
@cnees208 He was joking when he said that, if you could not tell, you really do not grasp his dry sense of humor.
ASexyChef 2 weeks ago
I think Hitchens sounds drunk??!
wehttam7 2 weeks ago
@wehttam7
Drunk , High , brain dead ... he still talks more sense than You or I ever will !!
NexisFilms 2 weeks ago
Turek tries to back the Atheist into a corner the same way William Lane Craig tries to do. Turek says the Atheist has to explain a lists of things which Turek knows no-one can answer. Yet Turek, like every Christian that I've have seen in a debate goes far short of giving any evidence to God. Not only do they fail at that, they don't even feel they should have to try.Tureks arguements are basically the same as Craigs, unverifiable rubbish.
TheEarthFirst 2 weeks ago
@TheEarthFirst True, and yet Hitchens still manages to give brilliant answers to even some of his stupidest questions. By the end of this debate It really feels like Turek is clutching at straws.
PieKeyLime 2 weeks ago
@PieKeyLime - Yes, He was brilliant wasn't he? I like how mad he always makes the other debater. Did you read the God Delusion? One of the best books I have read.
Yummmm key lime Pie!!! Now I'm glad I need to going shopping!
TheEarthFirst 2 weeks ago