@Ci "The Sabbath day was sanctified from CREATION as a sign between God & His true followers"
Says who Ciaran, The 7th day at Creation, did not have any instruction to it...the Sabbath day given to Moses in Ex. 16 does..consider thou, did God go back the next day to the Job of Creation...No, he did not..the fact that you have to means that you are not resting as God rested..so that 7th day Rest could mean a TIME of rest..blessed from Creation that would signify CHRIST
You Said: (Matt 24 has a chronology. 24.29 speaks of the return of Christ to earth AND the angels that GATHER Israel, the elect, the tribes, who mourn. Does this sound like believers?)
I've alraedy shown you how IDIODIC this statement is!
Ro. 11:7 What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain,
BUT THE ELECT DID. The others were hardened,
The ELECT are not only BELIEVERS, BUT WILL ALSO NOT BE DECIEVED BY THE ANTI CHRISTS! Mt. 24:24
The Sabbath keeping is not a requirement of the NC, so if one chooses it out of their love for Christ it is a very Good thing...when it is used to bash others, an instrument to condemn others and be used as a reason for them not being saved, or that they are of the devil...it just got legalistic...even wicked if you ask me, to suggest that a person whom Christ gave up His life for is not saved because of your own standard of righteousness...
@C "The Sabbath keeping is not a requirement of the NC" Says who? You? Mark? The Pope? Constantine? The Sabbath day was sanctified from CREATION as a sign between God & His true followers! Those born of God will honor the Sabbath day! History shows the early Church was keeping the Sabbath until about 135 AD when Hadrian made it ILLEGAL after the Jewish revolts! Is keeping Lev 18:23 not a requirement for the N.C either & is bashing professing believers who break it legalistic?
@ci that would signify Christ and the REST he would make available to us...that would actually cause us to REST as He did..those that enter THAT REST, rest from their work of sin...forever ..finally resting as Christ rest...which is Gods plan of Salvation..
You Said: (The Sabbath keeping is not a requirement of the NC)
You absolutely DID NOT LEARN THAT FROM GOD!
SO YOU HAVE NOT LEARNED FROM GOD, & Christ is not dealing with you!
Haven't you been paying attention? All Jerusalems Sons will be TAUGHT BY GOD!
Jn. 6:45 It is written in the Prophets: `They will all be taught by God.’ [Isaiah 54:13] Everyone who LISTENS TO THE FATHER and LEARNS FROM HIM COMES TO ME.
@game..are we required to do them to be saved, absolutely not, we are required to do them because we are saved...my brother visit the sick and mentally retarded and wash their clothe..does he use this to say everybody should do the same..No, if we freely do something out of our love of Christ, why then are we bashing other who do not do the same...that is when it becomes legalistic..that is what I am against...
@game I am saying we are not to do things out of love for God, I would never say that...this is what I am saying,..we now have a New Nature, that hates sin and a cleansed conscience and the Holy Spirit to guide us into doing what is naturally written on our hearts to do..so we CANNOT sin naturally, because we hate sin...so what is left we are to pursue loving one another and to freely do good deeds, because we freely received salvation through the righteous works of Christ..
@game What scripture are you using to say if we obey God’ its legalism, and why do you clam keeping the Sabbath is doing our own works? when it is neither our own idea, but God’s command. or in any way to be considered work.’
@ci@ciaranofseir "What THINGS do you think Paul is talking about? Do you think Paul means God has chosen despised used furniture of the world, to shame the beautiful gold embossed furniture of Princes?"
Paul had to preach the gospel to those who think themselves knowledgeable and WISE ...Paul was therefore saying God has put to naught the WISE PHILOSOPHICAL THEORIES of men by using the THEORIES the same carnal men considers FOOLISHNESS (WISDOM OF GOD).
@Bepps100 "I am not ashamed to suffer, because Christ also suffered.'
You are piling all your chips on the chance that you are going to be here "in that day" and THEN you will turn to Jesus Christ as your savior, and THEN you will start giving to God, and THEN you will starting worhsipping Christ.
As I have said before, the SIGN of you GOING will come before the SIGN of His COMING by way of pain in your chest radiation down your left arm.
You said: (As I have said before, the SIGN of you GOING will come before the SIGN of His COMING by way of pain in your chest radiation down your left arm)
Before the coming of Christ that you are refering to happens,
Ephraim, and the Northern Tribes will have ONCE AGAIN AS ORDERED BY GOD, been driven into SLAVERY,
they will remain in that condition for many years, untill the Elijah to come is sent to rescue them.
Then they will understand the TRUE MEANING OF SALVATION.
@Bepps100 "I am not ashamed to suffer, because Christ also suffered."
If you have not built a life of turning to Christ, loving and worshipping Christ, going to church, giving to the church, what makes you think when "that day" comes you will be able to suddenly change and do what you have refused to do all your life.
Will you suddenly have money in your budget to give, time in your week to convocate, and the desire to love and worhsip Christ?
@Bepps100 "I preached that they should REPENT, turn to God & prove their repentance by their deeds."
That is not what you preach at all. You preach that ALL ISRAEL will be saved without repentance and without believing on Jesus Christ.
You only preach repentance for others, and you claim NO ONE will be saved BUT Israel. YOu are an elitist, who claims that you will be saived just because you CLAIM to be of Israel.
Don't start talkink like a Christian NOW unless you have become one
THEY WILL HAVE TO DO BOTH, that means YOU ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM!
Judah Obeys Gods Commandments, but they don't except Christ as the Messiah, they have a stumbling Block.
Christians except Christ as the Messiah, but many of them including YOU, do not except and OBEY Gods Commandments, starting with THE TEN, They have the same stumbling block.
Thank you Cookie & Mark Let the word of the Messiah dwell in you richly, teach and admonish one another in all wisdom, and sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs with thankfulness in your hearts to God. Col 3:16
@mark...." I believe Gehenna fire may be finite & eventually all men may be led to believe AFTER they've paid for their sins!"
Also this statement by Ciaran, I believe, except the part where the fire is finite, because that would mean the Devil that it was originally made for would escape eternal punishment...but certainly believe after that a person has paid for their own sins in the fire..they would pass from hell..is this a wrong belief
@Bepps100 "You said: You know John Calvin was a murderer don't you.
So was Paul"
you are right Bepps, but if you knew who God says is a murderer, you would know...so were you and I...show me where John Calvin was called by Jesus Christ to become an Appostle,,to bear the Gospel and to open the eyes of the Gentiles and lead them from darkness into LIGHT..
@CookiezandBubblez "show me where John Calvin was called by Jesus Christ to become an Appostle,,to bear the Gospel and to open the eyes of the Gentiles and lead them from darkness into LIGHT.."
I figured our resident Paul denyer would slither out from under his rock and happily report on the many transgressions of his archrival.
The difference between Paul and Calvin is that Paul had an epipheny on the way to Demascus, REPENTED, and became the greatest missionary for the Gospel of Jesus Christ this world has ever known.
John Calvin never recanted of his transgressions, and was rather proud of burning Michael Servetus at the stake because he disagreed.
@Bepps100 "This is exactly why I am at some point going to stop talking to you.
The only reason I still do, is because there are a few people listening that haven't fallen for your delusion."
You love it and you know it. I am just a little more of a challenge that the other guys you went around with for the last several months on the other channel; vesang, Exegw and nilhav.
Face it. YOu wake up in the middle of the night to see what I have posted.
@mark0454 " Face it. You wake up in the middle of the night to see what I have posted"
this is hilarious, but you what, he really does ...AND SO DO YOU mark...lol lol you love each other!!!....in a weird sort of way, that is the beginning of a good thing
@Bepps100 "You are not chosen, because to be chosen you have to REPENT of breaking Gods Commandments,"
Nope. In order to have been chosen, I would have had to be Israel. Israel is the only Chosen prople. And Israel is God's chosen people whether they are in obedience or not.
@m "In order to have been chosen, I would have had to be Israel. Israel is the only Chosen people"
"God has CHOSEN the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, & God has CHOSEN the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty"1Cr1:27
"ELECT according to the FOREKNOWLEDGE of God the Father, THROUGH SANCTIFICATION of the SPIRIT unto OBEDIENCE & SPRINKLING of the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST: Grace unto you, peace, be multiplied."1Pt 1:2
@ciaranofseir I am not arguing against predestination, election, adoption, etc. They are clearly spoken of in scripture many times. What I am saying is that ISRAEL is the one that is chosen, elect, adopted, predestined, foreknown and not us/Gentiles/Christian.
When these descriptive words are used, the passage is talking to or about Israel, not us.
I Cor 1.27 is talking about THINGS, and is also talking to Jews
I Peter 1.1 ...to the STRANGER SCATTERED..Jews are only described this way
"Where there is NEITHER Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but CHRIST IS IN ALL, & in all.Put on therefore, AS THE ELECT OF GOD, holy and beloved" Col3:11
It is VERY obvious Paul is addressing ALL THE CHURCH, as he is saying there is NEITHER "Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision" in the Church, but Christ is in ALL "therefore, AS THE ELECT OF GOD holy & beloved, put on tender mercies"
No this is a very good verse to point out Paul is telling the Colossians to put on bowels of mercy, kindness longsuffering etc just as the elect of God have who are holy and beloved.
I am happy for you to discuss any verse you find that you think is directed toward the church, and we may find an exception.
However, it will not prove Calvinism, and it will not negate the designation of chosen, predestined, etc as speaking of Israel.
@mark I have shown you many verses written to ALL the members of the Gentile churches, referring to those members as ELECT OF GOD! You just keep insisting (regardless of context & passages immediately before & after, showing Gentiles are being addresed) that whenever he refers to Church members as the elect, he is ONLY speaking to Jews! How could I disprove this unless he actually said "Gentile elect of God"..& even if he did, you could say he was addressing Gentiles who were HALF Jew!
@mark "Gentile elect of God" Even that would not do it."
Yes I have showed you many verses where Paul was addressing the WHOLE CHURCH made up of both Gentiles & Jews & Paul in Col 3:11 was making clear there are NO Gentiles or Jews or Circumcised or uncircumcised in the Church but that Christ is in ALL! Then .. he goes on to say; THEREFOR as ELECT OF GOD.. addressing CIRCUMCISED .. UNCIRCUMCISED .. GREEK and Jews as One BODY!
What would a verse need to say to PROVE Gentiles are elect?
@ciaranofseir What would a verse need to say to PROVE Gentiles are elect?
Impossible. It would make God a liar for what he said throughout the OT.
Col 3.12 just move a phrase closer to what it is suppose to emphasise
(all those people in v 11) (12) Put on therefore bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness, meekness etc as (if you were) the elect of God, (who are) holy and beloved.
Who did God designate as, and call holy, elect, and beloved-Israel
@m Paul was addressing the whole Body & he was saying there ARE NO circumcised or uncircumcised or Jews or Gentiles in the Church! He was saying Christ is in ALL & he was calling the whole church the ELECT OF GOD! It is also OBVIOUS when Jesus referred to the elect .. he was referring to those who would be saved.. not just Jews!
"great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His ELECT from the four winds," Mat 24:31 This is when believers meet Christ in the air! 1 Thess 4:17
@ciaranofseir "great sound of a trumpet,and they will gather together His ELECT from the four winds" Mat 24:31
Ciaran,this is the wonderful thing about the way God wrote His Bible. Who did God say over and over and over in the OT that He would "scatter" "to the four winds". And who did he say He would "gather" in that day. The answer to both is Israel.
Jesus is reminding us that God would fulfill his promise to Israel
So, in I Peter, when Peter directs his letter to those "scattered"
@ciaranofseir "and they will gather together His ELECT from the four winds," Mat 24:31 This is when believers meet Christ in the air! 1 Thess 4:17"
You are reasoning like a drunk priest again-"line upon line" Stay in Matt 24.31. The previous verse (30) answers your question "and all the TRIBES of the earth shall mourn"
Matt 24 depicts the return of Christ and the gathering of his ELECT-Israel.
"And He will send His angels with a great SOUND OF A TRUMPET, and they will gather together His elect " Matt 24:31
"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the TRUMPET OF GOD. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air" 1 Thes 4:16
Being caught up in the clouds, is the gathering of the elect at the LAST TRUMP!
@ciaranofseir 'Being caught up in the clouds,is the gathering of the elect at the LAST TRUMP!'
Nope. You have simply got to stay in the passage to understand who He is talking to. The Bible NEVER,NEVER, NEVER says that God GATHERS believers.
Gathered to where? For what? However all over the OT & NT in every prophecy God PROMISES that that he would GATHER all the TRIBES (v 30) from the four winds of earth.
Why would God be concerned that the church is scattered and must be gathered?
@mark At the last trump is when the dead in Christ are resurrected from all over the world .. the dead in Christ and believers who are alive, will be gathered together from the four corners of the earth to meet Christ in the air!
"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect." Mat24:24
"And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days."Mark13:22
So you're saying that is ONLY for Jews God shortens the tribulation, but not for believers? And that it is only Jewish believers, that if it were possible would be deceived by the antichrist, but can't be?
@mark That is not what I am doing AT ALL! You are taking two verses out of context about different things & I am comparing passages about the same thing, the last TRUMP & the elect being gathered up to meet Christ in the air! In both verses the TRUMPET sounds! it is clear in both passages, this is happening WHEN Christ returns at the end of the age, at the SAME TIME.. so NO .. your example is not even close to being the same! You won't accept what the scriptures are most LIKELY saying!
@ciaranofseir "You won't accept what the scriptures are most LIKELY saying"
I accept EXACTLY what Matt 24 is saying
I accept EXACTLY what I Thes 4 is saying
What I don't accept is stringing several verses together to DENY what Matt 24 says. (I), ME, MARK is trying to keep YOU in context.
Matt 24 has a chronology. 24.29 speaks of the return of Christ to earth AND the angels that GATHER Israel, the elect, the tribes, who mourn. Does this sound like believers?
You Said: (Matt 24 has a chronology. 24.29 speaks of the return of Christ to earth AND the angels that GATHER Israel, the elect, the tribes, who mourn. Does this sound like believers?)
I've alraedy shown you how IDIODIC this statement is!
Ro. 11:7 What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain,
BUT THE ELECT DID. The others were hardened,
The ELECT are not only BELIEVERS, BUT WILL ALSO NOT BE DECIEVED BY THE ANTI CHRISTS! Mt. 24:24
If throughout a 1200 page Bible, God has referred to Israel as chosen, elect, predestined, foreknown, etc, it would take more than a couple verses to change this characteristic of their identity.
It was the antisemitism of Calvin, and his Replacement Theology that placed the church in all passages that were directed at Israel. Chosen, elect, predestined, etc was part of that Replacement Theology.
@mark0454 Hi Mark. What I am seeing some here r stepping out of the bounds.
Legalism manifest to cling to any doctrine that is above its place. If anything supersedes Christ to Christ is manifested in faith, hope & love, anymore then that it becomes heretical, it becomes legalistic. Obedience from the heart out of love of Christ does not imply legalism. but works for salvation does.
"Replacement Theology" begins with the premise that God has cast off Israel" However, since there are so many passages AFTER the crucifiction that favorably refer to Israel as chosen, elect, predestined, blessed, holy, etc Calvin merely stated that the church is now Israel
And all those identifying characteristic used throught the bible to describe Israel, now are attached to the church.
SDAs and most reformed churches hold to the error of Replacement Theology
@mark In the O.T Israel was God's ONLY Chosen people! God has not cast off Israel, but has GRAFTED Gentiles in, and they will be co heirs with Christ! The Gentiles who are grafted in are as MUCH elect & chosen as Israel.. and Israelite's who do not accept Christ still have the WRATH OF GOD ABIDING ON THEM! Jesus was clear many from the east & west would SIT at Abraham's table while the CHILDREN of the kingdom would be CAST OUT where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth! Matt 8:10-12
You keep talking, even though I keep finding you in many MISTAKES, or are they LIES?
You Said: (I Peter 1.1 ...to the STRANGER SCATTERED..Jews are only described this way.)
This is a FALSE STATEMENT!
JEWS WERE NOT SCATTERED AT THE TIME OF PETERS WRITING, IT IS JEWS THAT WERE TAKING THIS MESSAGE YOU ARE BUTCHERING plus somne loyal CONVERTED GENTILES, PETER WAS A JEW.
@ciarano "God has CHOSEN the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, & God has CHOSEN the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty"1Cr1:27"
What does this passage of scripture means to you Ciaran?
@C It means God looks down at MOST of the great & mighty & passes them by! They are proud, self serving.. full of themselves & WICKED; & he has no pity of them.. He LEAVES them that way..He leaves them PROUD & VAIN .. to DIE that way & BE DAMNED! It means God CHOOSES those who are humble & poor.. weak .. & by the worlds standards NOTHING... and he brings them to repentance & gives them grace.. to bring to NOTHING the great & mighty of the world.. who will mostly ALL be DAMNED!
@ciara Paul wasn't humble, poor nor weak.. God armed him with a message of the Doctrine of the Gospel, that was considered foolishness to the Greeks..but Paul armed with only that foolishness spoke to kings, governors etc., and debated with the Chief Priests, Pharisees and Scribes who considered themselves wise in Gods eyes..
"in weariness and toil, in sleeplessness often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness—2Cor11:27
"Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong." 2Cor12:10
"the foolishness of God is wiser than men," 1Cor1:25
James wrote'
"But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: “God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.” James4:6
@c Lets see what the scriptures has to say about what paul is referring to:
1cor1:... but to preach the gospel—NOT WITH WISDOM and ELOQUENCE, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
CHRIST CRUCIFIED IS GOD'S POWER AND WISDOM 18 FOR THE MESSAGE OF THE CROSS IS FOOLISHNESS to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written: “I will destroy the WISDOM of the WISE; the INTELLIGENCE of the INTELLIGENT I will frustrate
@Cook Yes that's all true.. and your point is? What I am saying is; God resists the proud and mighty of the world .. and gives grace to the humble.. to those of low esteem in the worlds eyes.. USUALLY .. but not always! Sometimes He may bring some great person in the worlds eyes to repentance too .. but this does not happen all that often.. it is USUALLY poor and humble people He brings to repentance .. while leaving the proud and the rich in their sins, to die in their sins!
@ciarano "Yes that's all true.. and your point is? What I am saying is; God resists"
You used this statement of scripture"But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong" to support your claim that God has also refers to the gentiles as CHOSEN, I am telling you that is not the context of the scripture..for God is not saying we are fools, but that the message of Salvation, Christ Crucified, is foolishness TO THE WORLD
@Cook By foolish things of the world, I mean poor people that are of no esteem in the world.. who would by the worlds standards be considered foolish! Like Peter was not a great scholar.. or educated at an esteemed Greek school.. by one of the leading philosophers in the world.. He was not filled with worldly wisdom.. he was to the world.. just a fisherman.. unlearned.. ignorant.. knowing nothing!
God chose him and gave Him wisdom OF GOD, which the world considers foolishness!
@ciarano 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.
Paul was not referring to himself as a person, but to the Gospel, and how it was being perceived by individual who thought themselves to be wise, philosophical, intelligent...
Paul CHOOSE to live the way he lived...for the sake of the gospel
@@ciarano 1cor 1:20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made FOOLISH the WISDOM of the WORLD? 21 For since in the WISDOM OF GOD the world THROUGH ITS WISDOM did not know him, God was pleased through the FOOLISHNESS of what was PREACHED to save those who believe. 22 JEWS demand SIGNS and GREEKS look for WISDOM, 23 but we PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles.
@C It means God looks down at MOST of the great & mighty & passes them by! They are proud, self serving.. full of themselves & WICKED; & he has no pity of them.. He LEAVES them that way..He leaves them PROUD & VAIN .. to DIE that way & BE DAMNED! It means God CHOOSES those who are humble & poor.. weak .. & by the worlds standards NOTHING... and he brings them to repentance & gives them grace.. to bring to NOTHING the great & mighty of the world.. who will mostly ALL be DAMNED!
@C It means God looks down at MOST of the great & mighty & passes them by! They are proud, self serving.. full of themselves & WICKED; & He has no pity on them.. He LEAVES them that way..He leaves them PROUD & VAIN .. to DIE that way & BE DAMNED! It means God CHOOSES those who are humble & poor.. weak .. & by the worlds standards NOTHING... and He brings them to repentance & gives them grace.. to bring to NOTHING the great & mighty of the world.. who will mostly ALL be DAMNED!
@C THE LAW IS WHOLE...not pieces you wish to keep yourself..the NC includes pieces of the Moral codes which God gave to Paul...to deliver to the gentiles....NOT WHAT CIARAN chooses...what God chooses...but these are not accomplished by us...because the scriptures says OF OURSELVES WE ARE UNABLE TO ANYTHING, BUT WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE...Whenever Christ speaks of the LAW He was speaking to those who actually GOT THE LAW...
“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and NOT DO THE THINGS WHICH I SAY?" Luke 6:46
who were Christ speaking to...Mat 15:24 He answered, "I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel."...those are the chosen who were given the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD..could Christ be speaking to the gentiles about Commandments they never got?
rom 3:19 NOW we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are UNDER THE LAW, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.
the thing with works is, there is always another revelation of something else that one is required to do..a time, day, year..to keep..one ends up serving these things and forget the Lord..so even the way of Works is geared towards getting one so frustrated and want to give up..that they beg the Holy Spirit to help them..that is when He shows you the way of GRACE..so all road leads back to GRACE..except the lukewarm, they have the opportunity of running from one to the other..and cant be helped.
@Cookiez Luke warm professing believers are people like YOU & MOST protestants! They are carnal people who still are in love with the world & things in it, who have NEVER really repented & just keep saying they trust the finished work of Christ while living in the practice of open sin! To be HOT, you have to OBEY GOD & do the things Christ says & DO the will of the FATHER IN HEAVEN! Without works faith is DEAD! Faith is not based on works..but Godly works will COME from faith!
@ciarano This is why you abide in sin...it is because you bear the Mark of your father which is from the beginning of time...a liar and an accuser...you attack me about things your father tells you which are lies...but I speak to the things that you have wriiten...Christ Prophets got their information from the Almighty and so what they spoke was true...since from I have encountered your posts..you have lied..Thou shalt not lie..bear false witness..thou shalt not bear false witness.
@Cookie How have I lied? What have Lied about? I am basing what I say on YOUR OWN WORDS! You call mixing works or obedience with faith, ADULTERY! Is that what you teach, OR NOT? I am showing you JESUS (whom you claim to be your savior) SAYS ONLY THOSE WHO DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER IN HEAVEN, WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN! There has to be OBEDIENCE or FAITH IS DEAD!
“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and NOT DO THE THINGS WHICH I SAY?" Luke 6:46
why does the Spirit hide your eyes from understanding Grace if you have chosen Works, because he is not the author of confusion...nor will Jesus Christ share His Glory with any flesh..so if it is Christ it is so and if it is Works it is so..the scriptures are filled with God saying I have set before you life and death choose life...so by this we understand that BOTH are set before us..people like Ciaran who fuses both, are not doing a good thing ..you have to choose one way and pursue it ...
@Cook It is YOUR eyes that cannot understand what grace is! And you are RIGHT.. Jesus Christ is NOT the author of confusion & the millions of HERETICS running around committing abominable SIN & mixing IDOLATRY & filthy sun worship days of Satan with His worship ARE NOT HIS, they are ALL of SATAN every single ONE OF THEM! We can know who are His by FRUIT.. by whether they worship Him in SPIRIT & IN TRUTH without mixing devil worship in with worship of God! YOU ARE OF THE FLESH!
@ciarano You have placed your lying, hateful, wicked and malicious tongue above Gods truth...so Thou shalt not have any other Gods before me..according to these you have no right speaking to me about the Sabbath...for you have never kept it...
@Cooki " if it is Christ it is so and if it is Works it is so." What you are saying is if you try to mix obeying God with faith it is ADULTERY, so you should just have faith alone without works! meaning you DON'T HAVE TO OBEY GOD or do the things Christ SAYS!
“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and NOT DO THE THINGS WHICH I SAY?" Luke 6:46
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, BUT HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER IN HEAVEN." Mat 7:21
@ciarano show me one example in the Scriptures where someone was declared righteous, because of what they did...they were declared to have KEPT THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD (righteous) because of their belief in God...all you have to do is provide proof in scripture from Adam down who was declared righteous because of Works they have done...
@Cook I did not claim anyone will be declared righteous because of works they have done, but the EVIDENCE of being born of the Spirit and being declared righteous WILL BE BECOMING RIGHTEOUS & KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD and if this does not happen, you have NEVER BELIEVED & have NOT been declared righteous!
"let no one deceive you. He who PRACTICES RIGHTEOUSNESS is righteous, just as He is righteous. He who sins IS OF THE DEVIL" John 3:7
@ciaranofseir "I did not claim anyone will be declared righteous because of works they have done,but the EVIDENCE of being born of the Spirit and being declared righteous WILL BE BECOMING RIGHTEOUS,KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD and if this does not happen, you have NEVER BELIEVED,have NOT been declared righteous"
Again, you are wise. The $64000 question is which commandments? Build an ark, keep the sabbath, or go ye into all the world and preach the gospel. You say to ONLY keep the sabbath.
@Bepps100 "YOU try to remain faithful to Jesus, WITHOUT OBEYING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD
remember now the scriptures are clear.....if we try to attain righteousness by our works then Grace is set aside.....so how can you understands that the Holy Spirit is able to do the Job of fulfilling the righteous requirements of the law through those who accepts Grace..if you choose the way of Works the Spirit has no choice but to show u all that is required to please God...it is not so with Grace..
@Bepps100...it is not so with Grace..for the very understanding of grace is hid from your heart, and you are unable to see it...
I do not post these because I think you will understand them, anymore than I can understand how you can believe that you can attain righteousness by your works..it is but that you may believe that it is worth asking the Holy Spirit about
romans 8:2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] FREE from the law of sin and death
@Bepps100 "Now you'll post a thousand other things, and not even address OBEYING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS!"
I have heard it said that there are 180 commandments in the NT, We MUST obey all.
You say there are only 10. Now, who obeys the commandments??
Matt 5:21-48, Matt 19.17-19, Mark 7.21, Rom 1.29-32, Rom 2.21-23, Rom 13.8,9, Col 3.5-23, I Cor 5.11. I Cor 6.9-10, Gal 5.19, Eph 4.19-32, Eph 5.3-5, I Tim 1.9-10, Rev 21.8, Rev 22.14-15, I Tim 4:1-4, II Tim 3.1-5, Titus 3.1-3, I John 5.21
@Bepps100 (This is not repentance, and it's the reason there are so many FAKE CHRISTIANS IN THE WORLD TODAY!)
I agree!!!!
True repentance is felt deep! To the point of tears! To the point of deep sorrow! When your convicted it is almost to much to handle at one time, My God My God,
@Bepps When I said, True repentance is felt deep! point of tears! point of deep sorrow! When your convicted it is almost to much to handle at one time, My God My God
I am speaking 1st hand! this happened to me!
When I say ,2 much to handle at 1 time, I mean that!
I was mad at myself, disgust with myself, I can not put it into words of how I felt!
i was guilty as charged & I knew it, & deserved to die & felt I should
Knowing I had a savior, I thanked God! Cross is my salvation
@Bepps100 For me, The closer I became to Christ, the more I understood, the more I held to Grace the more I knew He loved me. The Spirit came to me, and convicted me, Like I said I can not put it in to words.
If I did not know of grace and the cross, I don't know what I would have done.
For me it was like, I believed then the spirit convicted me, so know not only I know but after conviction I felt it deeper then ever before. does that make sense to you
@Bepps100 "Ro.10:14How, then,can they call on the one they have not believed in."
Why did you start with v.14?Why not go back to v.13.
Ro 10.13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Ro 10.9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord JESUS and shale believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be SAVED.
Repentance must accompany faith in Christ.Repentance without faith in Christ would make one a virtuous condemned sinner
@Bepps100 (No one will be saved unless they REPENT) True
And no one will be saved if they do not believe in Christ! Believing in Christ is my first and highest priority! And, knowing He died 4 me, in my place He stood, Ya you bet I repent! Thats part of sanctification. We are worse than we ever expected but God is better then we can imagine
@Bepps100 "Is. 59:20 “The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who REPENT of their sins,”
The wonderful thing about the Bible is that you use one verse to prove one doctrine and it disproves one of your others.
Way back in Isaiah, God was telling Israel (those in Jacob) that they must repent of their sins. And you have been saying that Israel will be saved WITHOUT repentance.
You preach repentance is necessary for everyone else except Israel.
@Bepps100 No u quote Paul when it suit u, when it fits ur theology, but when he conflicts with ur theology u say he from the evil 1. So why quote him at all
You quote Peter (Here is Peter: Ac. 3:19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be) Agree!!!
But the word talks about other things to! Like saved by grace by faith, works will not save, we are all sinners saved by grace (the believer)
@Bepps100 No u quote Paul when it suit u, when it fits ur theology, but when he conflicts with ur theology u say he from the evil 1. So why quote him at all
You quote Peter (Here is Peter: Ac. 3:19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be) Agree!!!
But the word talks about other things to! Like saved by grace by faith, works will not save, we are all sinners saved by grace (the believer)
@Bepps100 No u quote Paul when it suit u, when it fits ur theology, but when he conflicts with ur theology u say he from the evil 1. So why quote him at all
You quote Peter (Here is Peter: Ac. 3:19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be) Agree!!!
But the word talks about other things to! Like saved by grace by faith, works will not save, we are all sinners saved by grace (the believer)
@Bepps100 No u quote Paul when it suit u, when it fits ur theology, but when he conflicts with ur theology u say he from the evil 1. So why quote him at all
You quote Peter (Here is Peter: Ac. 3:19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be) Agree!!!
But the word talks about other things to! Like saved by grace by faith, works will not save, we are all sinners saved by grace (the believer)
@Bepps100 I LOVE YOU TOO BEPPS..I dont have all the answers ..I do know that it is not right to give anyone pagan or otherwise an impression that we are perfect giving them a false sense of righteousness that with their carnal eyes they cant imagine that they can attain, because we are not...WE GET BETTER DAILY..they will see that...when we love them despite where they are...they will feel that..that is enough for them to want what we have, i think...
@m "My flesh trembles in fear of CHRIST; I stand in awe of CHRIST.Open my eyes that I may see wonderful things in CHRIST."
& you do this while MOCKING the O.T & speaking as ATHEISTS do, accusing God of horribly UNJUST atrocities & giving an awful unjust unrighteous law, that was cruel & evil even!
You seem to think Jesus came to set you free from the O.T God & a cruel unrighteous law & standard!
You love Jesus because you think He has REPENTED of injustices He committed in the past!
@B I don't think any of us are saying not to repent, I think we all believe in it
If u would have noticed what some of my comments were really saying
how can u repent if u don't believe in the 1 that died for u! If u don't believe that God loves u because ur not good enough why repent
If u believe God loves u that Christ died for u he took ur place, by faith u are saved, as u have the cross in ur heart, u drop to u knees & ask for forgiveness as the HS has shown u ur ignorance.
@g To repent you have to believe on Jesus, but true belief & repentance go TOGETHER! You CANNOT believe without repenting & you cannot repent without believing!
You SAY you believe & then REDEFINE sin to mean whatever you want.. so you can keep doing all the things you did before .. and just say they are no longer sinful, because the law is gone & we are under a new law which is "just love", which can also mean whatever you want! Even NEW AGERS say they have a law that is "just love"!
@ciaranofseir U have to believe first! Christ took ur place, He died 4 u, in ur place He stood, Now that is love! He died for the very law He gave because the wages of sin is death. He took the penalty, he became what He is not so u can become what u are not. If the unbeliever hear this& believes, he will repent the heart will change. If he doesnt he's done 4. & be judge by the OC law, bc NC by Spirit is not in him
@g You CANNOT believe without repenting & you cannot repent without believing! Belief & repentance happens at the SAME TIME! It is IMPOSSIBLE to TRULY believe without also REPENTING of ALL SIN & it is IMPOSSIBLE to REPENT without TRULY BELIEVING! The moment in time you believe is INSTANTANEOUS with the Holy Spirit showing you what VILE ABOMINABLE FILTH YOU REALLY ARE & how you have sinned so heinously against a HOLY GOD you know you are thoroughly condemned & Richly DESERVE DAMNATION!
@Ci "The Sabbath day was sanctified from CREATION as a sign between God & His true followers"
Says who Ciaran, The 7th day at Creation, did not have any instruction to it...the Sabbath day given to Moses in Ex. 16 does..consider thou, did God go back the next day to the Job of Creation...No, he did not..the fact that you have to means that you are not resting as God rested..so that 7th day Rest could mean a TIME of rest..blessed from Creation that would signify CHRIST
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@mark
You Said: (Matt 24 has a chronology. 24.29 speaks of the return of Christ to earth AND the angels that GATHER Israel, the elect, the tribes, who mourn. Does this sound like believers?)
I've alraedy shown you how IDIODIC this statement is!
Ro. 11:7 What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain,
BUT THE ELECT DID. The others were hardened,
The ELECT are not only BELIEVERS, BUT WILL ALSO NOT BE DECIEVED BY THE ANTI CHRISTS! Mt. 24:24
The ELECT are Gods VARSITY!
Bepps100 31 minutes ago
The Sabbath keeping is not a requirement of the NC, so if one chooses it out of their love for Christ it is a very Good thing...when it is used to bash others, an instrument to condemn others and be used as a reason for them not being saved, or that they are of the devil...it just got legalistic...even wicked if you ask me, to suggest that a person whom Christ gave up His life for is not saved because of your own standard of righteousness...
CookiezandBubblez 1 hour ago
@C "The Sabbath keeping is not a requirement of the NC" Says who? You? Mark? The Pope? Constantine? The Sabbath day was sanctified from CREATION as a sign between God & His true followers! Those born of God will honor the Sabbath day! History shows the early Church was keeping the Sabbath until about 135 AD when Hadrian made it ILLEGAL after the Jewish revolts! Is keeping Lev 18:23 not a requirement for the N.C either & is bashing professing believers who break it legalistic?
ciaranofseir 52 minutes ago
@ci that would signify Christ and the REST he would make available to us...that would actually cause us to REST as He did..those that enter THAT REST, rest from their work of sin...forever ..finally resting as Christ rest...which is Gods plan of Salvation..
CookiezandBubblez 25 minutes ago
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@CookiezandBubblez
You Said: (The Sabbath keeping is not a requirement of the NC)
You absolutely DID NOT LEARN THAT FROM GOD!
SO YOU HAVE NOT LEARNED FROM GOD, & Christ is not dealing with you!
Haven't you been paying attention? All Jerusalems Sons will be TAUGHT BY GOD!
Jn. 6:45 It is written in the Prophets: `They will all be taught by God.’ [Isaiah 54:13] Everyone who LISTENS TO THE FATHER and LEARNS FROM HIM COMES TO ME.
Without this training HE NEVER KNEW YOU!
Bepps100 44 minutes ago
@game..are we required to do them to be saved, absolutely not, we are required to do them because we are saved...my brother visit the sick and mentally retarded and wash their clothe..does he use this to say everybody should do the same..No, if we freely do something out of our love of Christ, why then are we bashing other who do not do the same...that is when it becomes legalistic..that is what I am against...
CookiezandBubblez 1 hour ago
@game I am saying we are not to do things out of love for God, I would never say that...this is what I am saying,..we now have a New Nature, that hates sin and a cleansed conscience and the Holy Spirit to guide us into doing what is naturally written on our hearts to do..so we CANNOT sin naturally, because we hate sin...so what is left we are to pursue loving one another and to freely do good deeds, because we freely received salvation through the righteous works of Christ..
CookiezandBubblez 1 hour ago
@game What scripture are you using to say if we obey God’ its legalism, and why do you clam keeping the Sabbath is doing our own works? when it is neither our own idea, but God’s command. or in any way to be considered work.’
ljberryify 3 hours ago
@ljberryify Please read again what I said, You may have missed this part.
(Obedience from the heart out of love of Christ does not imply legalism.)
And the context of what I said, read again. Ps: anything out side the context of Christ-cross. see again.
God Bless
game11221 3 hours ago
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@ci @ciaranofseir "What THINGS do you think Paul is talking about? Do you think Paul means God has chosen despised used furniture of the world, to shame the beautiful gold embossed furniture of Princes?"
Paul had to preach the gospel to those who think themselves knowledgeable and WISE ...Paul was therefore saying God has put to naught the WISE PHILOSOPHICAL THEORIES of men by using the THEORIES the same carnal men considers FOOLISHNESS (WISDOM OF GOD).
CookiezandBubblez 5 hours ago
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@mark
You Said: (Being the elect does not mean you believe. Those who believe have the Holy Spirit.)
Also just because you believe, doesn't mean you have the Holy Spirit either.
It depends what you believe.
Ja. 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons
believe that — and shudder.
But we know demons don't have Gods Holy Spirit don't we...
Bepps100 9 hours ago
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Bepps100 11 hours ago
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You Said: (Being the elect does not mean you believe. Those who believe have the Holy Spirit.)
My point is, the evidence a persons Election has been made sure, is the in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit. (Gods Seal)
Not whether they are natural born Jews, or Gentiles.
Once they receive the Holy Spirit, they become the SON'S God desires!
Bepps100 13 hours ago
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The Saints of God are the ISRAEL God desires.
They OBEY his Commandments, and they REMAIN faithful to Jesus!
Some are natural born, who have repented and now believe God,
and some are Gentiles, who have repented and now believe God.
Once they recieve the Holy Spirit, they BOTH
Become Sons of GOD!
Romans 8:14 (NIV)
because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
Bepps100 15 hours ago
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@mark
God will punish Israel because he loves them. I am not ashamed to suffer, because Christ also suffered.
Hebrews 12:5-7 (NIV)
And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you AS SONS:
"My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
[6] because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son."
[7] Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons.
For what son is not disc
Bepps100 15 hours ago
@Bepps100 "I am not ashamed to suffer, because Christ also suffered.'
You are piling all your chips on the chance that you are going to be here "in that day" and THEN you will turn to Jesus Christ as your savior, and THEN you will start giving to God, and THEN you will starting worhsipping Christ.
As I have said before, the SIGN of you GOING will come before the SIGN of His COMING by way of pain in your chest radiation down your left arm.
And then it will be too late.
mark0454 5 hours ago
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The land where Ephriam Lives, will all be RAMSACKED, and LOOTED, it will not B a pretty sight.
God will allow the entire lands where they live to B destroyed, 2 make sure they have NO PLACE 2 RETURN 2 EXCEPT ISRAEL.
I have told you many times that YOU LIVE AMONG THE BIGGEST POPULATION OF ISRAELITES ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
Where will you B when this happens?
This will happen LONG BEFORE CHRIST COMES IN THE CLOUDS, and it will HAPPEN LONG BEFORE THE GREAT TRIBULATION BEGINS.
Bepps100 2 hours ago
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@mark
You said: (As I have said before, the SIGN of you GOING will come before the SIGN of His COMING by way of pain in your chest radiation down your left arm)
Before the coming of Christ that you are refering to happens,
Ephraim, and the Northern Tribes will have ONCE AGAIN AS ORDERED BY GOD, been driven into SLAVERY,
they will remain in that condition for many years, untill the Elijah to come is sent to rescue them.
Then they will understand the TRUE MEANING OF SALVATION.
Bepps100 2 hours ago
@Bepps100 "I am not ashamed to suffer, because Christ also suffered."
If you have not built a life of turning to Christ, loving and worshipping Christ, going to church, giving to the church, what makes you think when "that day" comes you will be able to suddenly change and do what you have refused to do all your life.
Will you suddenly have money in your budget to give, time in your week to convocate, and the desire to love and worhsip Christ?
If it ain't happenin' now, it won't then!
mark0454 5 hours ago
@mark
Yep thats true.
But GENTILES who REPENT and believe God will also be excepted,
Your just trying to avoid Gods punishment.
Ac. 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the GENTILES ALSO,
I preached that they should REPENT and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
The Elect ALL HAVE GODS HOLY SPIRIT.
ONCE THAT HAPPENS, God does not distinguish between Israel, or Gentile.
Bepps100 15 hours ago
@Bepps100 "ONCE THAT HAPPENS, God does not distinguish between Israel, or Gentile"
All epistles speak of Gentiles, Greeks, Israel, Judah. The Book of Revelation speaks of the Court of the Gentiles in the Temple.
"The Elect ALL HAVE GODS HOLY SPIRIT"
Being the elect does not mean you believe. Those who believe have the holy spirit.
mark0454 15 hours ago
@Bepps100 "I preached that they should REPENT, turn to God & prove their repentance by their deeds."
That is not what you preach at all. You preach that ALL ISRAEL will be saved without repentance and without believing on Jesus Christ.
You only preach repentance for others, and you claim NO ONE will be saved BUT Israel. YOu are an elitist, who claims that you will be saived just because you CLAIM to be of Israel.
Don't start talkink like a Christian NOW unless you have become one
mark0454 5 hours ago
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@mark
and THEN ACCEPTING THAT CHRIST IS THE MESSIAH.
THEY WILL HAVE TO DO BOTH, that means YOU ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM!
Judah Obeys Gods Commandments, but they don't except Christ as the Messiah, they have a stumbling Block.
Christians except Christ as the Messiah, but many of them including YOU, do not except and OBEY Gods Commandments, starting with THE TEN, They have the same stumbling block.
BOTH MUST REPENT TO RECIEVE SALVATION.
Bepps100 2 hours ago
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@mark
No one will be saved without REPENTING OF BREAKING GODS HOLY COMMANDMENTS,
Bepps100 2 hours ago
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@mark
Stop lying.
There are people on this very page, who heard me long before you did, and they know exactly what i have bee saying the entire time.
You Said: That is not what you preach at all. You preach that ALL ISRAEL will be saved without repentance and without believing on Jesus Christ.
THIS IS A LIE FROM THE MOUTH OF A LIAR.
I have never said this, you are a person who has no respect for Gods Commadments, so BEARING FALSE WITNESS COMES NATURAL FOR YOU.
Bepps100 2 hours ago
Thank you Cookie & Mark Let the word of the Messiah dwell in you richly, teach and admonish one another in all wisdom, and sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs with thankfulness in your hearts to God. Col 3:16
ljberryify 17 hours ago
Have a wonderful Sabbath everybody!
ljberryify 17 hours ago
@ljberryify have a blessed Sabbath LJ
CookiezandBubblez 17 hours ago
@ljberryify Blessed sabbath to you L.J. I hope you are well.
mark0454 17 hours ago
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Your wrong again.
When the bible refers to the ELECT, it is referring to ISRAEL, AND GRAFTED IN GENTILES.
God treats Grafted in Gentiles, AS SONS, and to prove it,
he GIVES THEM HIS HOLY SPIRIT AS EVIDENCE!
Ac. 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words,
the HOLY SPIRIT came on ALL WHO HEARD THE MESSAGE.
Bepps100 18 hours ago
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@mark
Ac. 10:45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished
that the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT had been poured out EVEN ON THE GENTILES.
Peter was an Apostle to the GENTILES, BEFORE PAUL WAS.
Ac. 15:7 "Brothers, you know that some time ago GOD MADE A CHOICE among you that the
Gentiles might hear FROM MY LIPS THE MESSAGE OF THE GOSPEL AND BELIEVE.
Bepps100 18 hours ago
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Everything out of your mouth is a lie, because though you confess the name of Jesus,
you refuse to Obey the will of his father which is God.
I don't care how much you confess the name of Jesus, if you don't obey the will of his Father you will never see life.
The main victim of your lies will be you.
Bepps100 20 hours ago
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@mark...." I believe Gehenna fire may be finite & eventually all men may be led to believe AFTER they've paid for their sins!"
Also this statement by Ciaran, I believe, except the part where the fire is finite, because that would mean the Devil that it was originally made for would escape eternal punishment...but certainly believe after that a person has paid for their own sins in the fire..they would pass from hell..is this a wrong belief
CookiezandBubblez 20 hours ago
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@cookiez
Having the Holy Spirit is the only evidence a person is chosen by God, a SAINT, the ELECT.
The way we can tell if a person has Gods Holy Spirit is,
they will all OBEY Gods Commandments, PLUS, they will remain faithful to Jesus.
Revelation 14:12 (NIV)
This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who
OBEY God's commandments and REMAIN faithful to Jesus.
THEY WILL DO BOTH.
Bepps100 21 hours ago
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@mark
You said: You know John Calvin was a murderer don't you.
So was Paul.
Bepps100 23 hours ago
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@Bepps100 "You said: You know John Calvin was a murderer don't you.
So was Paul"
you are right Bepps, but if you knew who God says is a murderer, you would know...so were you and I...show me where John Calvin was called by Jesus Christ to become an Appostle,,to bear the Gospel and to open the eyes of the Gentiles and lead them from darkness into LIGHT..
CookiezandBubblez 21 hours ago
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@CookiezandBubblez "show me where John Calvin was called by Jesus Christ to become an Appostle,,to bear the Gospel and to open the eyes of the Gentiles and lead them from darkness into LIGHT.."
Excellent point, Cookiez
mark0454 17 hours ago
@Bepps100 "So was Paul."
I figured our resident Paul denyer would slither out from under his rock and happily report on the many transgressions of his archrival.
The difference between Paul and Calvin is that Paul had an epipheny on the way to Demascus, REPENTED, and became the greatest missionary for the Gospel of Jesus Christ this world has ever known.
John Calvin never recanted of his transgressions, and was rather proud of burning Michael Servetus at the stake because he disagreed.
mark0454 21 hours ago
@Bepps100 You might find it interesting the charge against this man that brought about his condemnation by Calvin as a Heretic.
Michael Servetus refused to call Jesus Christ the "Eternal Son" and called him instead "the Son of the Eternal God"
So, you have been taught well, Bepps. As you forever preach Christ as eternally the Son "the man of sorrows, aquainted with grief, meek and lowly"
And you reject the Son of the Eternal God. The Son, who IS God, glorified and to be worhipped
mark0454 21 hours ago
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You said you have many, many assurances that you are Saved. Ha, ha,
Name them, LIAR!
There is only one sign that a person TRULY belongs to God, they will have his Holy Spirit.
There is NO OTHER EVIDENCE, and they will recognize when others have it.
You have not repented of disobeying God, plus, you live your life in defiance to what God has SPOKEN!
You have no life in you!
You are deceived, and a deceiver of others.
Bepps100 1 day ago
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CookiezandBubblez 22 hours ago
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@Bepps100 There is only one sign that a person TRULY belongs to God, they will have his Holy Spirit.
"There is NO OTHER EVIDENCE, and they will recognize when others have it"
oh oh...I thought both you and Ciaran says the EVIDENCE IS IF YOU KEEP THE COMMANDMENT....
CookiezandBubblez 22 hours ago
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Wow! I agree again!
You said: If they are not chosen, I am wasting my time and theirs, salvation for them, is Impossible.
This is exactly why I am at some point going to stop talking to you.
The only reason I still do, is because there are a few people listening that haven't fallen for your delusion.
The Holy spirit is the assurance, and it's given to those who have FAITH, in the Living Word of God!
All of it, OT, and NT.
Bepps100 1 day ago
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@Bepps100 "This is exactly why I am at some point going to stop talking to you.
The only reason I still do, is because there are a few people listening that haven't fallen for your delusion."
You love it and you know it. I am just a little more of a challenge that the other guys you went around with for the last several months on the other channel; vesang, Exegw and nilhav.
Face it. YOu wake up in the middle of the night to see what I have posted.
mark0454 16 hours ago
@mark0454 " Face it. You wake up in the middle of the night to see what I have posted"
this is hilarious, but you what, he really does ...AND SO DO YOU mark...lol lol you love each other!!!....in a weird sort of way, that is the beginning of a good thing
CookiezandBubblez 5 hours ago
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You said: (Now me, I am not chosen, I can tell you that right now)
Your on a roll today, you have said something else that I agree with!
You are not chosen, because to be chosen you have to REPENT of breaking Gods Commandments,
Starting with all TEN.
Bepps100 1 day ago
@Bepps100 "You are not chosen, because to be chosen you have to REPENT of breaking Gods Commandments,"
Nope. In order to have been chosen, I would have had to be Israel. Israel is the only Chosen prople. And Israel is God's chosen people whether they are in obedience or not.
mark0454 16 hours ago
@m "In order to have been chosen, I would have had to be Israel. Israel is the only Chosen people"
"God has CHOSEN the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, & God has CHOSEN the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty"1Cr1:27
"ELECT according to the FOREKNOWLEDGE of God the Father, THROUGH SANCTIFICATION of the SPIRIT unto OBEDIENCE & SPRINKLING of the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST: Grace unto you, peace, be multiplied."1Pt 1:2
Is Peter a CALVINIST?
ciaranofseir 8 hours ago
@ciaranofseir I am not arguing against predestination, election, adoption, etc. They are clearly spoken of in scripture many times. What I am saying is that ISRAEL is the one that is chosen, elect, adopted, predestined, foreknown and not us/Gentiles/Christian.
When these descriptive words are used, the passage is talking to or about Israel, not us.
I Cor 1.27 is talking about THINGS, and is also talking to Jews
I Peter 1.1 ...to the STRANGER SCATTERED..Jews are only described this way
mark0454 6 hours ago
@m You very CONVENIENTLY IGNORED Col 3:11!
"Where there is NEITHER Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but CHRIST IS IN ALL, & in all.Put on therefore, AS THE ELECT OF GOD, holy and beloved" Col3:11
It is VERY obvious Paul is addressing ALL THE CHURCH, as he is saying there is NEITHER "Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision" in the Church, but Christ is in ALL "therefore, AS THE ELECT OF GOD holy & beloved, put on tender mercies"
ciaranofseir 5 hours ago
@ciaranofseir You very CONVENIENTLY IGNORED Col 3:11
No this is a very good verse to point out Paul is telling the Colossians to put on bowels of mercy, kindness longsuffering etc just as the elect of God have who are holy and beloved.
I am happy for you to discuss any verse you find that you think is directed toward the church, and we may find an exception.
However, it will not prove Calvinism, and it will not negate the designation of chosen, predestined, etc as speaking of Israel.
mark0454 5 hours ago
@mark I have shown you many verses written to ALL the members of the Gentile churches, referring to those members as ELECT OF GOD! You just keep insisting (regardless of context & passages immediately before & after, showing Gentiles are being addresed) that whenever he refers to Church members as the elect, he is ONLY speaking to Jews! How could I disprove this unless he actually said "Gentile elect of God"..& even if he did, you could say he was addressing Gentiles who were HALF Jew!
ciaranofseir 5 hours ago
@ciaranofseir "I have shown you many verses written to ALL the members of the Gentile churches, referring to those members as ELECT OF GOD"
No, you haven't. And you have not read my posts and compared them against the verses I have given.
"Gentile elect of God" Even that would not do it.
cont.
Paul may have been addressing a church, but the church was mad up of Jews who converted i.e. the passage in Thessalonians.
mark0454 4 hours ago
@mark "Gentile elect of God" Even that would not do it."
Yes I have showed you many verses where Paul was addressing the WHOLE CHURCH made up of both Gentiles & Jews & Paul in Col 3:11 was making clear there are NO Gentiles or Jews or Circumcised or uncircumcised in the Church but that Christ is in ALL! Then .. he goes on to say; THEREFOR as ELECT OF GOD.. addressing CIRCUMCISED .. UNCIRCUMCISED .. GREEK and Jews as One BODY!
What would a verse need to say to PROVE Gentiles are elect?
ciaranofseir 4 hours ago
@ciaranofseir What would a verse need to say to PROVE Gentiles are elect?
Impossible. It would make God a liar for what he said throughout the OT.
Col 3.12 just move a phrase closer to what it is suppose to emphasise
(all those people in v 11) (12) Put on therefore bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness, meekness etc as (if you were) the elect of God, (who are) holy and beloved.
Who did God designate as, and call holy, elect, and beloved-Israel
mark0454 4 hours ago
@m Paul was addressing the whole Body & he was saying there ARE NO circumcised or uncircumcised or Jews or Gentiles in the Church! He was saying Christ is in ALL & he was calling the whole church the ELECT OF GOD! It is also OBVIOUS when Jesus referred to the elect .. he was referring to those who would be saved.. not just Jews!
"great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His ELECT from the four winds," Mat 24:31 This is when believers meet Christ in the air! 1 Thess 4:17
ciaranofseir 4 hours ago
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@ciaranofseir "great sound of a trumpet,and they will gather together His ELECT from the four winds" Mat 24:31
Ciaran,this is the wonderful thing about the way God wrote His Bible. Who did God say over and over and over in the OT that He would "scatter" "to the four winds". And who did he say He would "gather" in that day. The answer to both is Israel.
Jesus is reminding us that God would fulfill his promise to Israel
So, in I Peter, when Peter directs his letter to those "scattered"
mark0454 3 hours ago
@ciaranofseir "and they will gather together His ELECT from the four winds," Mat 24:31 This is when believers meet Christ in the air! 1 Thess 4:17"
You are reasoning like a drunk priest again-"line upon line" Stay in Matt 24.31. The previous verse (30) answers your question "and all the TRIBES of the earth shall mourn"
Matt 24 depicts the return of Christ and the gathering of his ELECT-Israel.
I Thes 4.17 has nothing to do with this passage.
mark0454 3 hours ago
@mark,
"And He will send His angels with a great SOUND OF A TRUMPET, and they will gather together His elect " Matt 24:31
"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the TRUMPET OF GOD. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air" 1 Thes 4:16
Being caught up in the clouds, is the gathering of the elect at the LAST TRUMP!
ciaranofseir 3 hours ago
@ciaranofseir 'Being caught up in the clouds,is the gathering of the elect at the LAST TRUMP!'
Nope. You have simply got to stay in the passage to understand who He is talking to. The Bible NEVER,NEVER, NEVER says that God GATHERS believers.
Gathered to where? For what? However all over the OT & NT in every prophecy God PROMISES that that he would GATHER all the TRIBES (v 30) from the four winds of earth.
Why would God be concerned that the church is scattered and must be gathered?
mark0454 3 hours ago
@mark At the last trump is when the dead in Christ are resurrected from all over the world .. the dead in Christ and believers who are alive, will be gathered together from the four corners of the earth to meet Christ in the air!
ciaranofseir 2 hours ago
@ciaranofseir "the four corners of the earth to meet Christ in the air"
How can I explain a statemen made up of 4 verses from 3 books of the Bible. If you will stay with the passage in Matt, it explains who the elect are.
If you will stay in John 6, it explains man's will vs. God's sovereignty
However, there is nothing I can do to help a "drunk priest" who explains the Bible "here a little there a little.
mark0454 2 hours ago
@mark
"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect." Mat24:24
"And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days."Mark13:22
So you're saying that is ONLY for Jews God shortens the tribulation, but not for believers? And that it is only Jewish believers, that if it were possible would be deceived by the antichrist, but can't be?
ciaranofseir 2 hours ago
@ciaranofseir "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive,if possible, even the elect.Mat24:24
"And unless the Lord had shortened those days,no flesh would be saved;but for the elect’s sake,whom He chose,He shortened the days.Mark13:22"
Kinda makes you wanna analyze who is on earth during the tribulation, and who is not. And who and when is it exactly that we meet him in the air?
Who are prophets given to?
Enquiring minds want to know.
mark0454 2 hours ago
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You said: (Kinda makes you wanna analyze who is on earth during the tribulation, and who is not.)
Look at your WEAK ANSWER!
Your tribulation will begin when God strike EPHRIAMS LANDS where they have been scattered to.
Then you will realize how many of them there are, and just how many of them you personally knew, and worked with,
Because you will be standing right in the MIDDLE OF THEM BLIND MAN!
Right along with many others, the WHOLE WORLD WILL BE EFFECTED!
Bepps100 15 minutes ago
@ciaranofseir "here a little there a little"
This is the"here a little there a little way to teach the Bible and defend it:
Judas went out and hanged himself. Then said Jesus unto them; Go and do likewise.
The Bible said this! It is true! I can prove it! We should believe it! What's wrong with it?
It came from two seperate verses (Matt 27.5 and Lk 10.37)
The Bible isn't written that way, and it can not be defended that way. That is the kind of stuff you are asking me to explain.
mark0454 2 hours ago
@mark That is not what I am doing AT ALL! You are taking two verses out of context about different things & I am comparing passages about the same thing, the last TRUMP & the elect being gathered up to meet Christ in the air! In both verses the TRUMPET sounds! it is clear in both passages, this is happening WHEN Christ returns at the end of the age, at the SAME TIME.. so NO .. your example is not even close to being the same! You won't accept what the scriptures are most LIKELY saying!
ciaranofseir 2 hours ago
@ciaranofseir "You won't accept what the scriptures are most LIKELY saying"
I accept EXACTLY what Matt 24 is saying
I accept EXACTLY what I Thes 4 is saying
What I don't accept is stringing several verses together to DENY what Matt 24 says. (I), ME, MARK is trying to keep YOU in context.
Matt 24 has a chronology. 24.29 speaks of the return of Christ to earth AND the angels that GATHER Israel, the elect, the tribes, who mourn. Does this sound like believers?
mark0454 1 hour ago
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You Said: (Matt 24 has a chronology. 24.29 speaks of the return of Christ to earth AND the angels that GATHER Israel, the elect, the tribes, who mourn. Does this sound like believers?)
I've alraedy shown you how IDIODIC this statement is!
Ro. 11:7 What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain,
BUT THE ELECT DID. The others were hardened,
The ELECT are not only BELIEVERS, BUT WILL ALSO NOT BE DECIEVED BY THE ANTI CHRISTS! Mt. 24:24
The ELECT are Gods VARSITY!
Bepps100 32 minutes ago
@ciaranofseir "At the last trump is when the dead in Christ are resurrected"
-Does not say last trump
-Only the angels come
-Prophecy speaks of an angel gathering Israel
-v 30 speaks of the tribes
-In the chronology of Matt 24, this is after the tribulation and before the 1000 yr Millenn
-The bible never says anything about beleivers being gathered
Scripture explains itself best within the passage.
mark0454 2 hours ago
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Mk. 13:27 And he will send his angels and GATHER HIS ELECT from the four
winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
Mk. 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive THE ELECT — if that were possible.
The ELECT are absolutely BELIEVERS FALSE TERACHER...
Bepps100 58 minutes ago
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You Said: (The Bible NEVER,NEVER, NEVER says that God GATHERS believers. Gathered to where? For what?)
Ha, ha, ha.
Mt. 24:22 If those days had not been CUT SHORT, no-one would survive, but for the SAKE OF THE ELECT those days will be shortened.
Mk. 13:20 If the Lord had not cut short those days, no-one would survive. But for the sake of THE ELECT, WHOM HE HAS CHOSEN, he has shortened them.
Bepps100 58 minutes ago
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Ciaran Said: (What would a verse need to say to PROVE Gentiles are elect?)
You Said: (Impossible. It would make God a liar for what he said throughout the OT.)
You are the one who makes God a LIAR, every time you try to act like you you Obey the God of the OT,
but then DENY HIS SABBATHS.
Gentiles who have Gods Holy Spirt, are GRAFTED in because of that SAME HOLY SPIRIT!
What Romans are you reading?
Without the Holy Spirit, YOU CAN NOT BELONG TO CHRIST!
Bepps100 1 hour ago
@ciaranofseir "Gentile elect of God
If throughout a 1200 page Bible, God has referred to Israel as chosen, elect, predestined, foreknown, etc, it would take more than a couple verses to change this characteristic of their identity.
It was the antisemitism of Calvin, and his Replacement Theology that placed the church in all passages that were directed at Israel. Chosen, elect, predestined, etc was part of that Replacement Theology.
mark0454 4 hours ago
@mark0454 Hi Mark. What I am seeing some here r stepping out of the bounds.
Legalism manifest to cling to any doctrine that is above its place. If anything supersedes Christ to Christ is manifested in faith, hope & love, anymore then that it becomes heretical, it becomes legalistic. Obedience from the heart out of love of Christ does not imply legalism. but works for salvation does.
God Bless
game11221 4 hours ago
@ciaranofseir
"Replacement Theology" begins with the premise that God has cast off Israel" However, since there are so many passages AFTER the crucifiction that favorably refer to Israel as chosen, elect, predestined, blessed, holy, etc Calvin merely stated that the church is now Israel
And all those identifying characteristic used throught the bible to describe Israel, now are attached to the church.
SDAs and most reformed churches hold to the error of Replacement Theology
mark0454 4 hours ago
@mark In the O.T Israel was God's ONLY Chosen people! God has not cast off Israel, but has GRAFTED Gentiles in, and they will be co heirs with Christ! The Gentiles who are grafted in are as MUCH elect & chosen as Israel.. and Israelite's who do not accept Christ still have the WRATH OF GOD ABIDING ON THEM! Jesus was clear many from the east & west would SIT at Abraham's table while the CHILDREN of the kingdom would be CAST OUT where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth! Matt 8:10-12
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@ciaranofseir
You Said To Mark (The Gentiles who are grafted in are as MUCH elect & chosen as Israel.. )
This is an ABSOLUTE TRUE STATEMENT,
and by denying it, Mark is keeping those who look to him IN BONDAGE, just like Pharoah would not let the children of Israel go.
Mark WILL NOT LET Gods people whom he influences go either.
He has fallen in love with HIS STATUS, it's Obious by the way he BRAGS about his Achievements,
even though HIS achievements are IRREALEVANT!
Bepps100 1 hour ago
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@mark
It is THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL THAT WAS SCATTERED, the 10 NORTHEREN TRIBES LED by EPHRIAM!
Judah and Levi DID NOT go into captivity with EPHRIAM, the northern Tribes did.
Judah, is living in Israel TODAY, not the WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, ONLY JUDAH, who is the SOUTHERN TRIBE.
Get your facts straight about who Israel is, before you try to TEACH ABOUT THEM.
Israel is 12 Tribes, NOT ONE!
Do you think you can run me in circles WITH LIES?
Bepps100 2 hours ago
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You keep talking, even though I keep finding you in many MISTAKES, or are they LIES?
You Said: (I Peter 1.1 ...to the STRANGER SCATTERED..Jews are only described this way.)
This is a FALSE STATEMENT!
JEWS WERE NOT SCATTERED AT THE TIME OF PETERS WRITING, IT IS JEWS THAT WERE TAKING THIS MESSAGE YOU ARE BUTCHERING plus somne loyal CONVERTED GENTILES, PETER WAS A JEW.
Bepps100 2 hours ago
@ciarano "God has CHOSEN the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, & God has CHOSEN the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty"1Cr1:27"
What does this passage of scripture means to you Ciaran?
CookiezandBubblez 5 hours ago
@C It means God looks down at MOST of the great & mighty & passes them by! They are proud, self serving.. full of themselves & WICKED; & he has no pity of them.. He LEAVES them that way..He leaves them PROUD & VAIN .. to DIE that way & BE DAMNED! It means God CHOOSES those who are humble & poor.. weak .. & by the worlds standards NOTHING... and he brings them to repentance & gives them grace.. to bring to NOTHING the great & mighty of the world.. who will mostly ALL be DAMNED!
ciaranofseir 5 hours ago
@ciara Paul wasn't humble, poor nor weak.. God armed him with a message of the Doctrine of the Gospel, that was considered foolishness to the Greeks..but Paul armed with only that foolishness spoke to kings, governors etc., and debated with the Chief Priests, Pharisees and Scribes who considered themselves wise in Gods eyes..
CookiezandBubblez 4 hours ago
@Cook Paul said;
"in weariness and toil, in sleeplessness often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness—2Cor11:27
"Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong." 2Cor12:10
"the foolishness of God is wiser than men," 1Cor1:25
James wrote'
"But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: “God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.” James4:6
ciaranofseir 3 hours ago
@c Lets see what the scriptures has to say about what paul is referring to:
1cor1:... but to preach the gospel—NOT WITH WISDOM and ELOQUENCE, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
CHRIST CRUCIFIED IS GOD'S POWER AND WISDOM 18 FOR THE MESSAGE OF THE CROSS IS FOOLISHNESS to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written: “I will destroy the WISDOM of the WISE; the INTELLIGENCE of the INTELLIGENT I will frustrate
CookiezandBubblez 3 hours ago
@Cook Yes that's all true.. and your point is? What I am saying is; God resists the proud and mighty of the world .. and gives grace to the humble.. to those of low esteem in the worlds eyes.. USUALLY .. but not always! Sometimes He may bring some great person in the worlds eyes to repentance too .. but this does not happen all that often.. it is USUALLY poor and humble people He brings to repentance .. while leaving the proud and the rich in their sins, to die in their sins!
ciaranofseir 3 hours ago
@ciarano "Yes that's all true.. and your point is? What I am saying is; God resists"
You used this statement of scripture"But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong" to support your claim that God has also refers to the gentiles as CHOSEN, I am telling you that is not the context of the scripture..for God is not saying we are fools, but that the message of Salvation, Christ Crucified, is foolishness TO THE WORLD
CookiezandBubblez 2 hours ago
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@Cook By foolish things of the world, I mean poor people that are of no esteem in the world.. who would by the worlds standards be considered foolish! Like Peter was not a great scholar.. or educated at an esteemed Greek school.. by one of the leading philosophers in the world.. He was not filled with worldly wisdom.. he was to the world.. just a fisherman.. unlearned.. ignorant.. knowing nothing!
God chose him and gave Him wisdom OF GOD, which the world considers foolishness!
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CookiezandBubblez 3 hours ago
@ciarano 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.
Paul was not referring to himself as a person, but to the Gospel, and how it was being perceived by individual who thought themselves to be wise, philosophical, intelligent...
Paul CHOOSE to live the way he lived...for the sake of the gospel
CookiezandBubblez 3 hours ago
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@@ciarano 1cor 1:20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made FOOLISH the WISDOM of the WORLD? 21 For since in the WISDOM OF GOD the world THROUGH ITS WISDOM did not know him, God was pleased through the FOOLISHNESS of what was PREACHED to save those who believe. 22 JEWS demand SIGNS and GREEKS look for WISDOM, 23 but we PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles.
CookiezandBubblez 3 hours ago
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@C It means God looks down at MOST of the great & mighty & passes them by! They are proud, self serving.. full of themselves & WICKED; & he has no pity of them.. He LEAVES them that way..He leaves them PROUD & VAIN .. to DIE that way & BE DAMNED! It means God CHOOSES those who are humble & poor.. weak .. & by the worlds standards NOTHING... and he brings them to repentance & gives them grace.. to bring to NOTHING the great & mighty of the world.. who will mostly ALL be DAMNED!
ciaranofseir 5 hours ago
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@C It means God looks down at MOST of the great & mighty & passes them by! They are proud, self serving.. full of themselves & WICKED; & He has no pity on them.. He LEAVES them that way..He leaves them PROUD & VAIN .. to DIE that way & BE DAMNED! It means God CHOOSES those who are humble & poor.. weak .. & by the worlds standards NOTHING... and He brings them to repentance & gives them grace.. to bring to NOTHING the great & mighty of the world.. who will mostly ALL be DAMNED!
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@mark
Also there is 1 assurance that a person has to prove they have been chosen, but you don't have it, so you don't recognize it.
Acts 5:32 (NIV)
We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who OBEY HIM."
Those with the Holy Spirit OBEY Gods Commandments, AND they REMAIN faithful to Jesus. Revelation 14:12
Bepps100 1 day ago
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@mark
The God of the NT and the God of the OT are the same God.
I finally agree with you about something!
But what you completely ignore is the fact that people have also conjured up in addition to the one true God,
MANY different versions of God!
That's why there are so many denominations!
People have a god for every doctrine they have devised.
The God of the OT says REPENT, the God of the NY says the same thing, REPENT!
Bepps100 1 day ago
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@mark
You say when God says ALL, he's not willing that any should perish.
This is clear, and true, but why do you ignore this ALL?
Luke 13:5 (NIV)
I tell you, no! But unless you REPENT, you too will ALL PERISH."
To think that some one can just say some magic words and suddenly become saved,
Is a teaching of BABYLON! ABRA-CA-DABRA!
Men must Repent first then believe the Good New!
Bepps100 1 day ago
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It's obvious God does not lead all men to his son, because all men have not gone to his son.
Some men have tried going to the son without being lead by the father.
These are all liars and thieves trying to enter through another way,
Christ clearly says the true sons all learn from God first, then they come to him.
If you have not been taught by God, you can not go to Christ.
That's why future salvation favors Judah, almost all of them have been taught by God.
Bepps100 1 day ago
@mark
No one will be saved without repenting.
The 144,000 of Israel who are the first fruits and will have already repented, BEFORE the land, sea, and trees are harmed.
Like I have.
That's why they will be sealed at that time.
The rest of the house of Israel will not repent until after they have suffered much distress during the great tribulation.
Like you will, they will repent or die.
And they must prove their repentance by resisting the mark of the beast.
From this tribulation will e
Bepps100 1 day ago
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@C THE LAW IS WHOLE...not pieces you wish to keep yourself..the NC includes pieces of the Moral codes which God gave to Paul...to deliver to the gentiles....NOT WHAT CIARAN chooses...what God chooses...but these are not accomplished by us...because the scriptures says OF OURSELVES WE ARE UNABLE TO ANYTHING, BUT WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE...Whenever Christ speaks of the LAW He was speaking to those who actually GOT THE LAW...
CookiezandBubblez 1 day ago
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CookiezandBubblez 1 day ago
“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and NOT DO THE THINGS WHICH I SAY?" Luke 6:46
who were Christ speaking to...Mat 15:24 He answered, "I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel."...those are the chosen who were given the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD..could Christ be speaking to the gentiles about Commandments they never got?
rom 3:19 NOW we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are UNDER THE LAW, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.
CookiezandBubblez 1 day ago
the thing with works is, there is always another revelation of something else that one is required to do..a time, day, year..to keep..one ends up serving these things and forget the Lord..so even the way of Works is geared towards getting one so frustrated and want to give up..that they beg the Holy Spirit to help them..that is when He shows you the way of GRACE..so all road leads back to GRACE..except the lukewarm, they have the opportunity of running from one to the other..and cant be helped.
CookiezandBubblez 1 day ago
@Cookiez Luke warm professing believers are people like YOU & MOST protestants! They are carnal people who still are in love with the world & things in it, who have NEVER really repented & just keep saying they trust the finished work of Christ while living in the practice of open sin! To be HOT, you have to OBEY GOD & do the things Christ says & DO the will of the FATHER IN HEAVEN! Without works faith is DEAD! Faith is not based on works..but Godly works will COME from faith!
ciaranofseir 1 day ago
@ciarano This is why you abide in sin...it is because you bear the Mark of your father which is from the beginning of time...a liar and an accuser...you attack me about things your father tells you which are lies...but I speak to the things that you have wriiten...Christ Prophets got their information from the Almighty and so what they spoke was true...since from I have encountered your posts..you have lied..Thou shalt not lie..bear false witness..thou shalt not bear false witness.
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ciaranofseir 1 day ago
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@Cookie How have I lied? What have Lied about? I am basing what I say on YOUR OWN WORDS! You call mixing works or obedience with faith, ADULTERY! Is that what you teach, OR NOT? I am showing you JESUS (whom you claim to be your savior) SAYS ONLY THOSE WHO DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER IN HEAVEN, WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN! There has to be OBEDIENCE or FAITH IS DEAD!
“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and NOT DO THE THINGS WHICH I SAY?" Luke 6:46
Did Jesus say this or not?
ciaranofseir 1 day ago
why does the Spirit hide your eyes from understanding Grace if you have chosen Works, because he is not the author of confusion...nor will Jesus Christ share His Glory with any flesh..so if it is Christ it is so and if it is Works it is so..the scriptures are filled with God saying I have set before you life and death choose life...so by this we understand that BOTH are set before us..people like Ciaran who fuses both, are not doing a good thing ..you have to choose one way and pursue it ...
CookiezandBubblez 1 day ago
@Cook It is YOUR eyes that cannot understand what grace is! And you are RIGHT.. Jesus Christ is NOT the author of confusion & the millions of HERETICS running around committing abominable SIN & mixing IDOLATRY & filthy sun worship days of Satan with His worship ARE NOT HIS, they are ALL of SATAN every single ONE OF THEM! We can know who are His by FRUIT.. by whether they worship Him in SPIRIT & IN TRUTH without mixing devil worship in with worship of God! YOU ARE OF THE FLESH!
ciaranofseir 1 day ago
@ciarano You have placed your lying, hateful, wicked and malicious tongue above Gods truth...so Thou shalt not have any other Gods before me..according to these you have no right speaking to me about the Sabbath...for you have never kept it...
CookiezandBubblez 1 day ago
@Cooki " if it is Christ it is so and if it is Works it is so." What you are saying is if you try to mix obeying God with faith it is ADULTERY, so you should just have faith alone without works! meaning you DON'T HAVE TO OBEY GOD or do the things Christ SAYS!
“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and NOT DO THE THINGS WHICH I SAY?" Luke 6:46
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, BUT HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER IN HEAVEN." Mat 7:21
ciaranofseir 1 day ago
@ciarano show me one example in the Scriptures where someone was declared righteous, because of what they did...they were declared to have KEPT THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD (righteous) because of their belief in God...all you have to do is provide proof in scripture from Adam down who was declared righteous because of Works they have done...
CookiezandBubblez 1 day ago
@Cook I did not claim anyone will be declared righteous because of works they have done, but the EVIDENCE of being born of the Spirit and being declared righteous WILL BE BECOMING RIGHTEOUS & KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD and if this does not happen, you have NEVER BELIEVED & have NOT been declared righteous!
"let no one deceive you. He who PRACTICES RIGHTEOUSNESS is righteous, just as He is righteous. He who sins IS OF THE DEVIL" John 3:7
You have to PRACTICE righteousness!
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@ciaranofseir "I did not claim anyone will be declared righteous because of works they have done,but the EVIDENCE of being born of the Spirit and being declared righteous WILL BE BECOMING RIGHTEOUS,KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD and if this does not happen, you have NEVER BELIEVED,have NOT been declared righteous"
Again, you are wise. The $64000 question is which commandments? Build an ark, keep the sabbath, or go ye into all the world and preach the gospel. You say to ONLY keep the sabbath.
mark0454 1 day ago
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CookiezandBubblez 1 day ago
@mark
Here is what the Saints of God do.
Re. 14:12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who OBEY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS and remain FAITHFUL TO JESUS.
Here is what you do.
YOU try to remain faithful to Jesus, WITHOUT OBEYING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.
Now you'll post a thousand other things, and not even address OBEYING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS!
To get out of this you really have to TWIST THE SCRIPTURES, CHANGE GOD, CHANGE JESUS,
and COMPLICATE A SIMPLE PASSAGE!
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CookiezandBubblez 1 day ago
@Bepps100 "YOU try to remain faithful to Jesus, WITHOUT OBEYING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD
remember now the scriptures are clear.....if we try to attain righteousness by our works then Grace is set aside.....so how can you understands that the Holy Spirit is able to do the Job of fulfilling the righteous requirements of the law through those who accepts Grace..if you choose the way of Works the Spirit has no choice but to show u all that is required to please God...it is not so with Grace..
CookiezandBubblez 1 day ago
@Bepps100...it is not so with Grace..for the very understanding of grace is hid from your heart, and you are unable to see it...
I do not post these because I think you will understand them, anymore than I can understand how you can believe that you can attain righteousness by your works..it is but that you may believe that it is worth asking the Holy Spirit about
romans 8:2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] FREE from the law of sin and death
CookiezandBubblez 1 day ago
@Bepps100 "Now you'll post a thousand other things, and not even address OBEYING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS!"
I have heard it said that there are 180 commandments in the NT, We MUST obey all.
You say there are only 10. Now, who obeys the commandments??
Matt 5:21-48, Matt 19.17-19, Mark 7.21, Rom 1.29-32, Rom 2.21-23, Rom 13.8,9, Col 3.5-23, I Cor 5.11. I Cor 6.9-10, Gal 5.19, Eph 4.19-32, Eph 5.3-5, I Tim 1.9-10, Rev 21.8, Rev 22.14-15, I Tim 4:1-4, II Tim 3.1-5, Titus 3.1-3, I John 5.21
mark0454 1 day ago
@game
many people today became what they think is a Christian, by repeating whats called the sinners prayer, along with one of those guys on the TV SCREEN!
At the end of the program, after they have wasted all of their airtime begging for money, they quickly have the viewer recite a few words.
This is not repentance, and it's the reason there are so many FAKE CHRISTIANS IN THE WORLD TODAY!
It's because they were converted by FAKE MINISTERS!
Many are going to hear, I NEVER KNEW YOU!
Bepps100 1 day ago
@Bepps100 (This is not repentance, and it's the reason there are so many FAKE CHRISTIANS IN THE WORLD TODAY!)
I agree!!!!
True repentance is felt deep! To the point of tears! To the point of deep sorrow! When your convicted it is almost to much to handle at one time, My God My God,
game11221 1 day ago
@game11221
Every once in a while, we do agree.
Bepps100 1 day ago
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@Bepps When I said, True repentance is felt deep! point of tears! point of deep sorrow! When your convicted it is almost to much to handle at one time, My God My God
I am speaking 1st hand! this happened to me!
When I say ,2 much to handle at 1 time, I mean that!
I was mad at myself, disgust with myself, I can not put it into words of how I felt!
i was guilty as charged & I knew it, & deserved to die & felt I should
Knowing I had a savior, I thanked God! Cross is my salvation
game11221 1 day ago
@Bepps100 For me, The closer I became to Christ, the more I understood, the more I held to Grace the more I knew He loved me. The Spirit came to me, and convicted me, Like I said I can not put it in to words.
If I did not know of grace and the cross, I don't know what I would have done.
For me it was like, I believed then the spirit convicted me, so know not only I know but after conviction I felt it deeper then ever before. does that make sense to you
game11221 1 day ago
@Bepps100 Good Night!
God Bless
game11221 1 day ago
@game
You said: U say repent then believe, How can u repent if u done know who u are repenting to
Exactly!
Ro. 10:14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in?
And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard?
And how can they hear without someone PREACHING TO THEM?
Ro. 10:15 And how can they PREACH unless they are sent?
As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
Bepps100 1 day ago
@Bepps100 "Ro.10:14How, then,can they call on the one they have not believed in."
Why did you start with v.14?Why not go back to v.13.
Ro 10.13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Ro 10.9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord JESUS and shale believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be SAVED.
Repentance must accompany faith in Christ.Repentance without faith in Christ would make one a virtuous condemned sinner
mark0454 1 day ago
@game
The problem is, once the people of today were preached to, SOMEONE FORGOT TO TELL THEM TO REPENT!
REPENTANCE should have been the first words out of the preachers MOUTH!
Ac. 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also,
I PREACHED THAT THEY SHOULD REPENT and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Bepps100 1 day ago
@game
The will of God requires me to Repent, I repent, the will of God requires me to Obey Christ, I Obey Christ.
The will of God requires me to keep the Passover that Christ instituted, I keep the Passover that christ instituted,
The will of God requires me to Remember the Sabbath Day, I Remember the Sabbath Day.
God is seeking people who will OBEY HIS WILL, NOT ANY OTHER WILL!
God Requires me to lay down my life, I lay down my life.
God is only pleased with those who OBEY HIS WILL.
Bepps100 1 day ago
@Game
No one will be saved unless they REPENT, any one who REFUSES TO REPENT WILL PERISH!
Lk. 13:5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”
Why would anyone try to trivialize this verse?
Not Repenting will cause you to perish, you would think that repenting would be a persons highest priority.
Bepps100 1 day ago
@Bepps100 (No one will be saved unless they REPENT) True
And no one will be saved if they do not believe in Christ! Believing in Christ is my first and highest priority! And, knowing He died 4 me, in my place He stood, Ya you bet I repent! Thats part of sanctification. We are worse than we ever expected but God is better then we can imagine
game11221 1 day ago
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@game
You Said: Believing in Christ is my first and highest priority!
I'm not saying the believeing in Christ is not a high priority, BUT, there are many who believe in Christ who will not enter Gods Kingdom.
Mt. 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER who is in heaven.
My Highest priority is to DO THE WILL OF GOD, which also includes believing in Christ.
Bepps100 1 day ago
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@Bepps100 "My Highest priority is to DO THE WILL OF GOD, which also includes believing in Christ."
I am thrilled to hear you say that. That is the first in over 1000 comments. Now, whom do you believe Christ to be, and what did he do for you.
What do the elements mean to you. Is Christ your access to God.
Now, why can't you go the next step and worship Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world?
mark0454 1 day ago
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@game11221
Here is Peter: Ac. 3:19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be
wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,
Here is Paul: Ac. 20:21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn
to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.
Here is Jesus: Lk. 13:5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”
Here is John the Baptist: Mt. 3:11 “I baptise you with water for repentance.
Bepps100 1 day ago
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@game
Here is God: Ez. 18:32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the
Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!
Don't listen to me, open up your bibles and listen to God.
I quote Paul more that most here combined, but I only quote him when he agrees with the law, and the testimony of the Prophets!
Paul is not the first one to tell people to repent, GOD IS!
Is. 59:20 “The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who REPENT of their sins,” declares the LORD.
Bepps100 1 day ago
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@Bepps100 "Is. 59:20 “The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who REPENT of their sins,”
The wonderful thing about the Bible is that you use one verse to prove one doctrine and it disproves one of your others.
Way back in Isaiah, God was telling Israel (those in Jacob) that they must repent of their sins. And you have been saying that Israel will be saved WITHOUT repentance.
You preach repentance is necessary for everyone else except Israel.
mark0454 1 day ago
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Bepps100 1 day ago
@Bepps100 No u quote Paul when it suit u, when it fits ur theology, but when he conflicts with ur theology u say he from the evil 1. So why quote him at all
You quote Peter (Here is Peter: Ac. 3:19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be) Agree!!!
But the word talks about other things to! Like saved by grace by faith, works will not save, we are all sinners saved by grace (the believer)
We should live by example
I am shout out loud, yes repent! never said not 2
game11221 1 day ago
@Bepps100 No u quote Paul when it suit u, when it fits ur theology, but when he conflicts with ur theology u say he from the evil 1. So why quote him at all
You quote Peter (Here is Peter: Ac. 3:19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be) Agree!!!
But the word talks about other things to! Like saved by grace by faith, works will not save, we are all sinners saved by grace (the believer)
We should live by example
I am shout out loud, yes repent! never said not 2
game11221 1 day ago
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@Bepps100 No u quote Paul when it suit u, when it fits ur theology, but when he conflicts with ur theology u say he from the evil 1. So why quote him at all
You quote Peter (Here is Peter: Ac. 3:19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be) Agree!!!
But the word talks about other things to! Like saved by grace by faith, works will not save, we are all sinners saved by grace (the believer)
We should live by example
I am shout out loud, yes repent! never said not 2
game11221 1 day ago
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@Bepps100 No u quote Paul when it suit u, when it fits ur theology, but when he conflicts with ur theology u say he from the evil 1. So why quote him at all
You quote Peter (Here is Peter: Ac. 3:19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be) Agree!!!
But the word talks about other things to! Like saved by grace by faith, works will not save, we are all sinners saved by grace (the believer)
We should live by example
I am shout out loud, yes repent! never said not 2
game11221 1 day ago
@Cookiez
You can't preach the Gospel without preaching Repentance, Repentance comes before forgiveness!
When people are hostile to the law, U know they have not truly Repented, because those who have Repented LOVE GODS LAWS!
Ps. 119:97 Mem Oh, how I love your law! I meditate on it all day long.
Ps. 119:120 My flesh trembles in fear of you; I stand in awe of your laws.
Ps. 119:18 Open my eyes that I may see wonderful things in your law.
Those who have not repented only see death in the law.
Bepps100 1 day ago
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mark0454 1 day ago
@Cookiez
If our righteousness as followers of Christ, is not even better than that of the pagans we live around, then we are lost indeed.
Bepps100 1 day ago
@Bepps100 I LOVE YOU TOO BEPPS..I dont have all the answers ..I do know that it is not right to give anyone pagan or otherwise an impression that we are perfect giving them a false sense of righteousness that with their carnal eyes they cant imagine that they can attain, because we are not...WE GET BETTER DAILY..they will see that...when we love them despite where they are...they will feel that..that is enough for them to want what we have, i think...
CookiezandBubblez 1 day ago
@CookiezandBubblez
My concern is 2 OBEY GOD FIRST, not worry about how the Pagan perceives my obedience.
God expects us to OBEY him, if my obedience 2 God offends anyone, then let them be offended.
God doesn't allow us to water down his instructions.
So Should we dirty ourselves up so the Pagans will like us better?
Why should I compromise God?
Lk. 21:17 All men will hate you because of me.
If a Pagan hates me because I strive 2 obey God, then let him hate me.
Bepps100 1 day ago
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@Bepps100 Bepps, if you could just see that this is what God wants
When people are hostile to CHRIST, U know they have not truly Repented, because those who have Repented LOVE CHRIST!
Mem Oh, how I love CHRIST. I meditate on HIM all day long.
My flesh trembles in fear of CHRIST; I stand in awe of CHRIST.
Open my eyes that I may see wonderful things in CHRIST.
You can't preach the Gospel without preaching CHRIST.
mark0454 1 day ago
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@m "My flesh trembles in fear of CHRIST; I stand in awe of CHRIST.Open my eyes that I may see wonderful things in CHRIST."
& you do this while MOCKING the O.T & speaking as ATHEISTS do, accusing God of horribly UNJUST atrocities & giving an awful unjust unrighteous law, that was cruel & evil even!
You seem to think Jesus came to set you free from the O.T God & a cruel unrighteous law & standard!
You love Jesus because you think He has REPENTED of injustices He committed in the past!
ciaranofseir 1 day ago
@B I don't think any of us are saying not to repent, I think we all believe in it
If u would have noticed what some of my comments were really saying
how can u repent if u don't believe in the 1 that died for u! If u don't believe that God loves u because ur not good enough why repent
If u believe God loves u that Christ died for u he took ur place, by faith u are saved, as u have the cross in ur heart, u drop to u knees & ask for forgiveness as the HS has shown u ur ignorance.
game11221 1 day ago
@g To repent you have to believe on Jesus, but true belief & repentance go TOGETHER! You CANNOT believe without repenting & you cannot repent without believing!
You SAY you believe & then REDEFINE sin to mean whatever you want.. so you can keep doing all the things you did before .. and just say they are no longer sinful, because the law is gone & we are under a new law which is "just love", which can also mean whatever you want! Even NEW AGERS say they have a law that is "just love"!
ciaranofseir 1 day ago
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@ciaranofseir U have to believe first! Christ took ur place, He died 4 u, in ur place He stood, Now that is love! He died for the very law He gave because the wages of sin is death. He took the penalty, he became what He is not so u can become what u are not. If the unbeliever hear this& believes, he will repent the heart will change. If he doesnt he's done 4. & be judge by the OC law, bc NC by Spirit is not in him
game11221 1 day ago
@g You CANNOT believe without repenting & you cannot repent without believing! Belief & repentance happens at the SAME TIME! It is IMPOSSIBLE to TRULY believe without also REPENTING of ALL SIN & it is IMPOSSIBLE to REPENT without TRULY BELIEVING! The moment in time you believe is INSTANTANEOUS with the Holy Spirit showing you what VILE ABOMINABLE FILTH YOU REALLY ARE & how you have sinned so heinously against a HOLY GOD you know you are thoroughly condemned & Richly DESERVE DAMNATION!
ciaranofseir 1 day ago