RON PAUL IS REPUBLICAN PRETENDING TO BE LIBERTARIAN. REPUBLICANS OPENED EYES TO SOVIET UNION , THANKS TO REAGAN, NOW RUSSIA IS BECOMING CAPITALISTIC COUNTRY. REPUBLICANS DISRESPECTED US DOLLAR, THEY FOCUS ON A LEWINSKI DRESS, EUROPE GATHERED TOGETHER AND CREATED EUROS. RON PAUL WANTS TO TURN USA IN TO PUSSY COUNTRY. RON PAUL WAKE UP OLD FART , TALIBAN STONES WOMEN TO DEATH AND RAPES LITTLE GIRLS, THATS WHY THEY DONT WANT SCHOOLS THERE. RON PAUL IS 100% REPUBLICAN . BUSH DESTROYED TWIN TOWERS!
Capitalism is no longer able to create decent jobs. Even before the 9/08 crash, most of the jobs gained during W's administration were in "Mc jobs"; low-wage service jobs. Not the kind of jobs you can buy a house/new car or raise a family on. An economic system that can't create decent jobs is a dying economic system. Once people realize this, they will demand government jobs--this will mean nationalization of dying industries. That is how capitalism will die.
@fantom58 Capitalism died long ago in the US when the feds n corporation n banks started mixing. We went from capitalism to fascism which fdr was a fan of. The US shows most of the 14 defining characteristics of fascism.
Why the international silence on the excesses of the terrorist Iranian regime to enrich uranium for non-peaceful purposes, and support terrorist organizations around the world and fed to carry out sabotage, assassinations, and last but not least the support of the Syrian regime offender banned weapons to use against unarmed demonstrators
Ron Paul , how do you think it all started. Yes it all started from capitalism. It is a vicious circle and you want to go back to the beggining to experience it all over again.
Oh and as for the US: the US is a completely ruined country. The US themselves do not produce anything anymore that anybody in the world would want - except a little software and some movie. I mean honestly: who wants to buy one of those crappy US cars in Europe or Asia? Exactly, no one. The Chinese and Japanese practically own the whole US and are financing the consumer society the US have become. So: the US system failed completely
The Japanese & the Chinese don't own the US, good concept for politicians to demagogue thou. And the US has not failed yet. Actually many people do buy crappy US made cars. I don't know who this person you refer to who's name is "No One", sounds like a looser. And the US make the majority of softwares & also some good movies.
According to this argumentation, on its face, there has never been a world economic system that we could call "capitalism." I do not know of a case in history when such fundamentalists have not said that a particular system failed because it was not pure enough. Capitalism is a totality it is not this and that.
Robert. I know it is not what you have heard, but I think you have it just backwards. Socialisms are what create and enforce monopolies-NOT free-market forces. In the free market, anyone can compete which means that anyone trying to stay at the top has to always provide a competitive price , viz they are always forced to compete and always in danger of not being the most powerful...and the only way this could be threatened is if there is NOT a free market-viz regulations and controls...
Wow, I often agree with Mr Paul, but not this time. He is ignoring the immorality behind monopoly, extortion, and corruption all allowed within capitalism.
@RobertMOdell I think corruption, particularly the allowance of political power by those who have alot of money (which is forbidden in the Constitution) is the culprit for those things you list-NOT Capitalism. Too often people equate capitalism with greed, when ironically socialism is far more greed-driven. Just look at the results, historically, of all socialist systems-they are sold under the framework of provisioning and care for those who have not...but they always end oppositely.
Ladies and gentlemen we have reached the age of peak oil. To date oil production peaked in 2005 and despite high prices has not matched that level again. The world that built on abundant oil is about to be destroyed and remade by its scarsity. Also don't think that coal, gas or uranium are going to bail us out because they are all near peak production too.
When you give a country's wealth to a few rich people at the top who can use and ration it as they see fit to everyone else, that's what causes collapses. The money is not getting into the pockets of the common people, who are the backbone of the economy. Capitalism keeps the common person from holding economic power. If Capitalism is so great, why has it only made a very small percentage of people well off?
What Ron Paul won't tell you is that we've had FAR more than just the 29 and modern day economic crash. We've been Capitalist since our founding. Study history and let's count the number of economic panics and crisis we've had. The economic crisis and panic of 1792, 1819, 1837, 1857, 1873, 1907, 1929, and now another one. Through most of our history, we've had economic failures, and we didn't always have government involved or social programs.
Paul also doesn't understand what socialism is. Socialism is not "big government." A large minority if not a majority of socialists, historically, were anarchists; they didn't think centralized government had a right to EXIST, let alone run the economy.
Socialism is worker control over production. Which is exactly what we need in the United States.
Paul understands the problems, but he's clueless about solutions. YES, big government is part of the problem. He's absolutely right that our problems are caused by collusion between the government and corporations. But he misses the point that you CAN'T have capitalism without big government. The laissez-faire is a myth.
The only solution is to abolish BOTH capitalism AND government, in favor of free association, direct democracy, and worker self-management.
The problem is not the abusive power, but the power to abuse. When the legislature controls the buying and selling in an economy, the first things to be bought and sold are the legislatures.
It is both the Federal Reserve and Capitalism. Capitalism or scarcity economics is what is driving human misery. Only malevolent ETs benefit out of the misery of the human race. Their slave plantation managers are the human illumanati and human secret gov. who create wars on Earth to make sure humans of Earth do not explore independently and to fuel the capitalist machinery which needs war industry as a lubricant.
nothing to do with socialism verses capitalism, if you spend more than you earn for any length of time, weather as an individual or a country your going to end up in the shit. its so simple
furthermore, it's ridiculous of Paul to blame the "safety net" that society wants as part of the cause. That's just insane. Tel that to all of the poor that look around and don't see a safety net anywhere. The crash was caused by DEREGULATION and the rich hoarding all of their money.
@Noeldiego thanks. the financial crisis, as with the ones in the past, coincided with the largest disparity in earnings, with the top 1% taking over 20% of the total money. No wonder the market crashed, there's simply not enough money to go around.
To create "safety net" gov siphons people's savings thru taxes, most of which gets eaten up by politicians & bureaucrats & whatever little reaches the poor is used ineffectively while IF that money were left with people, they'd put it into business directly or indirectly (thru banks) which creates new jobs, more goods/services hence lower prices of goods/services which help the poor lot of more than rich & middleclass while none or very little of this happens when gov siphons it
@lomocan the majority of people don't even earn enough to save, tax or no tax, because the wealthiest individuals take so much. The average working man, even if they paid zero tax simply doesn't earn enough to make their own safety net. They are taxed highly to compensate for that. I agree the money however is spent unwisely. Investing in business won't lead to more jobs. The bailout certainly didn't, and that was hundreds of billions handed over directly to banking & financial institutions.
@sugarcanegray you are one of those poor souls who believes that life is a zero sum game, and in order for one man to gain another must lose. I feel bad for people who don't understand economic growth and production possibilities. I bet you also believe that rich people "hoard" their money under their pillows because they're greedy and like human suffering instead of hiring, investing, and growing their businesses or purchasing items creating jobs and economic activity.
@AroundSun Think about what you wrote. I mean, logically. We live in a world of finite resources. If one man takes way more than their share, it is essentially robbing another. No matter how you look at it, that is true. Unless you believe resources are infinite. In which case, perhaps you should share your fantasy world with everyone else.
@AroundSun I honestly don't know. But leaving it to a market is absurd and does not serve the interests of the majority.
Thinking about it, the people should decide. Not elites, not corporations, not banks, not politicians, not governments. The distribution of resources should be under the control of the people who own the resources - and that is every person that's born on this planet. We all should inherit and equal share of what's available.
@sugarcanegray Ok, under control of the people, who own the resources, and having free trade. That is what you just said. That is exactly the definition of capitalism. That is the market. So we both agree. Leaving it to a "market" means producing goods and services for consumers to consume.
@AroundSun Not in the slightest. The market isn't and could never be "under the control of the people", and that's the point. It's weighted towards those who make the most profit. Democratic control of the world's resources is the very antithesis of capitalism. It would mean production is determined by need and not by greed or profit. Futhermore people currently do not own the world's resources. They are owned by capitalists who then sell them to the people for profit.
@sugarcanegray Of course the market is under control of the people. The private sector can not coerce you to give it money. Profit is necessary in order to have incentives for economic growth. Profit is redistributed throughout the economy in loans, investments creating more jobs, goods, and services. Businesses constantly competing for prices. The constitution does not authorize democratic control of life, liberty, and property. The tyranny of the majority and corruption would rule.
@AroundSun it's really not. The free market is under the control of those who have the wealth and are in control of the means of production. There is nothing democratic about the free market. Profit is necessary only to make the rich richer. The constitution is an outdated document that needs to be either binned or severely amended. The "tyranny" of the majority is far better than the tyranny of the few, which is what capitalism leads to. As we can see now. The rich have the power.
@AroundSun now there's something we can both agree on. Big Government is one of the biggest problems facing society today. They no longer represent the people, they represent their own interests and the interests of large corporations.
You know, I'm not 100% anti the free-market. On a small scale, I believe it to be a perfect solution... I'm just skeptical about it on a much larger scale....
@sugarcanegray It is THE biggest problem because almost every other social and economical problem today here in the US stems from it. It is an even bigger shame for the federal government to give safety nets to companies to begin with. Privatizing profits while socializing losses. Business failure is as important as business success. Profits signal to producers of goods and services what the economy most needs at that time. The government should run the courts police and our military only.
@AroundSun agreed however I wouldn't trust private enterprise to manage needed social programmes. I know you don't agree with the safety net concept, but I for one have had to rely on it after losing a job earlier this year and losing 3 months salary. Basically without the safety net, I'd have been homeless.
@AroundSun Government interference, regrettably, had nothing to do with it. More a case of piss poor management, imbalance of power etc. And the government NOT intervening meant we were all strung along for 3 months without pay before the company collapsed...
I never needed more money, I don't need a lot to live on to be honest. I'm happy to pay taxes, I see them at work all around me. And lord knows I've needed the help recently.
@sugarcanegray Government interference has everything to do with it. Have you ever done research? Do you know anything about politics? Apparently not. You just watch CNN and MSNBC and wait for Obama to please you with kind words. You name one problem and I will relate it back to government intervention. Name one good thing your tax money goes to and I will show you how the private sector would do a better job. If benevolence was so great and worked, we wouldnt need to be forced into it.
@AroundSun Don't try and patronise me. You have absolutely no idea what happened to the company I worked for. It had NOTHING to do with govt involvement. I don't care for Obama either, and nor do I get my news from the MSM. I currently live in Spain, btw, and my tax provides me with: unemployment benefit, free healthcare, a clean city with low crime thanks to a strong police, I have nice parks near me, children are happy and can play safely. very few homeless... lots of subsidised culture too.
@sugarcanegray Why can't people open unemployment insurance companies and have it voluntarily participated in? It would be cheaper because there would be less wasteful spending. This way if you didn't want it, you didn't have to purchase it. All the things your tax dollars are going towards are forced upon you, not voluntary. When the constitution was written for the federal government they were not thinking about the government in Spain. Government was to be extremely limited.
@sugarcanegray I am done with you, I am not sitting here teaching you about basic 6th grade economics and how profits allocate the resources in an economy and tell producers what the economy needs at any given time. If you don't understand this and keep up with the greedy mentality and dont understand the balance in markets you will always be a dumbass. Sorry.Humane, and good for the community are not things the government are capable of forcing on me. Go back to communist russia you fuckbag
@AroundSun Wow hurling insults because you cannot maintain a civilised debate. Thanks for admitting your arguments are completely flawed to the point you have to act like a crying child.
@AroundSun Seems to me at the moment you are at your weekest, you'd have to struggle against a private company who'd would, at the least, prefer not to pay you if they can.
UI companies would undoubtedly be corporations... We'd have stuff like insurers paying off employers to make up reasons for firing people so they aren't entitled to their UI at a fraction of paying the benificiary. And you'd need government watch dog agencies to oversee this kind of crap...
@HarfangX Yes because companies would be able to profit by not paying their employees..Never heard that one before...I have no time for your stupidity. Government watch dog agencies. Pfaahahaha. That is laughable. They would be bought and sold in a heartbeat. You statists dont get it.
@AroundSun I never said comanies would seek profit by not paying their employees... I said private insurance companies would seek profit by not indemnising benificiaries. If you've heard of this before it's because it's a common practice.
I'll assume that when you said you had no time for this, that included reading the comments you replied to.
"bought and sold"?... coorporations are traded on daily... based on profitability, and it's more profitable not to pay out benificiaries.
@AroundSun. If a company could continue to make big bucks without hiring a single worker, they would do it. They hire people because they need workers to sustain their big companies and keep making their productivity. If they cared about sustaining the workers, they'd pay them a decent salary and give them benefits and health insurance. The problem is that the common people have no economic power and are being used and exploited by the rich.
@PriestChristopher Your whole "evil rich and greedy capitalist" arguments are so 19th century. Learn some fucking history and economics before you say another fucking word you god damn mainstream douche bag. I don't even know where to begin ripping your dumb ass apart. Maybe this is why I don't teach. Thank god. Like everyone owes you something simply for existing. You liberals should be lined up and shot in the head
@AroundSun. Cursing and throwing insults with baseless claims does not win an argument, friend. Go educate yourself. It just shows you have no argument and have lost.
@PriestChristopher evil rich people..haha...how could you be so stupid? Dont you see that greed is irrelevant? It is force and coercion on the part of the state and our freedoms in the hands of a select few that is the problem. The road to hell was paved with good intentions, and even hitler had a vision.
@AroundSun. In short, you haven't refuted anything I've said, you just made fun of me and threw insults and used fallacies to back them up. Here's some advice, don't ever participate in a public debate. You apparently squabble and ramble in the face of facts.
@PriestChristopher I have refuted everything you have said. You could not win an argument with me on economics, politics, and history if your life depended on it. Government is always force and coercion leading to inefficiency. The private sector and free enterprise are always voluntary and mutually consenting. End of story.
@PriestChristopher Ok you're right, I am wrong. America is a bad country. Socialism works so well that is why many countries have adopted it but we are too stupid to see how wonderful socialism is. Politicians in Washington aren't greedy only entrepreneurs are greedy. Politicians have our best interests at heart and will protect us all the time. Tax dollars go towards only good things, and the government is extremely efficient at keeping records and eliminating wasteful spending.
@AroundSun. You ignorantly tell me to learn history when you don't know that I am on my way to a PhD in history. But yea, all you did was throw insults and cruse at me, which really shows your lack of intelligent vocabulary and lack of intelligent argument. What you did was the desperate action of someone proven wrong.
@PriestChristopher It is sad that people with Ph D's now have such little knowledge of society. You must be getting a degree in liberal history. I bet you hate our country now too after listening to everything your liberal professor has said. Sitting there listening to him like he is a messiah. You are perfect for politics. No real world experience. Maybe you can get into office, take some of my tax dollars, and run society for us since you've never had to run anything in your life.
@AroundSun. Now you're just using another right wing copout by accusing me of hating the country because I point out the flaws in it. No, I point out the flaws in hopes that people will wake up before it's too late. If I hated America, I wouldn't care if it fell. And it will if we keep on this track. You don't know anything about my education, and as common Republican talking points, instead of making intelligent arguments, you thrown baseless insults. You don't know me at all, clearly.
@PriestChristopher You either have freedom or you do not. America, was built with freedom in mind, obviously. Political, Social, and our Economical freedoms are all because of America and our prosperity during the time of limited government. I can tell just by the way you speak you are very uneducated and young. You think you can change the world because you've never had to do anything in your life. Let people live. You will see the light one day, I did. Government is NOT the answer.
@sugarcanegray I see what you are getting at, but the reason the playing field is unfair is because of concentrated central power/planning. It's not the abusive power but the power to abuse. If the politicians don't have that power, to reward their friends and punish their enemies, then people become uninterested to slip money to the politicians. When the legislature sets the rules for buying and selling, the first things to be bough and sold will be the legislatures. THIS IS BIG GOVERNMENT
It was caused by mainly due to community reinvestment act & such REGULATIONS that forced banks to lend to LOTS OF risky debtors "with the intention that poor can get houses", when these INELIGIBLE debtors became insolvent, the pyramid of Fractional-Reserve-Banking collapsed, as it eventually always does, causing the "non-existing money" to vanish from the market which means liquidity of money was lowered & prices of things jumped up.
@lomocan no it wasn't. The US govt has been deregulating since Reagan, allowing banking and investment institutions make even more and more risky speculations. Since Reagan, Wall St has owned the govt and deregulated their industries to maximise their profits. The Community Reinvestment Act has been shown to not be connected to the crash, and that it was in itself a form of deregulation as it permitted even riskier loans and expanded potential the client-base.
@sugarcanegray Just your choice of words makes me hate you. You say "allow" as if it is up to a bunch of bureaucrats and liberals (who think they can run the world because they have never had to run anything in there life) to be "allowing" people to act freely. As if they are our LEADERS and not SERVANTS. Telling businessmen how to be running their businesses and treating their customers even though they have never been in business in their life. Allowing risky investments? I hate you sir
@AroundSun Charming. But I'm afraid that's how it works right now. Everything we have comes from the top down. Do I agree with it? Not in the least. Do I think it's right? Not at all. Don't judge me as some "liberal" just because you need to label people. You don't even know what a liberal is. A liberal IS a capitalist. And I am most certainly NOT a capitalist. Jog on, son, jog on.
@sugarcanegray No, I am sorry, but most capitalists are conservative. Most liberals are intellects with an unconstrained vision and think we need a socialist state. They have visions and ideas that have already failed. You say thats how it works right now? What we have now is corporatism. That is not capitalism. It is more like fascism. Groups buying politicians for favors and safety nets is not a free market. Unfortunately, corporatism is what we have now, which is interventionism.
@AroundSun That label "liberal" you're using is an empty label and highly false. Liberalism is all about LIBERTY and that includes financial liberty. A liberal is NOT a socialist, no matter what FOX news says about it. Look up the history of liberalism for an idea of what the term actually means before you go bandying it around.
I agree, we do have corporatism right now. Corporatism is the end game of capitalism. Corporatism is created by the concentrations of power that capitalism creates.
it's not the end of capitalism, but it's just indicative of how the system is faulty: the boom and bust cycle will always occur as money moves upward throughout society. The crashes always coincide with a peaking wage gap.
"the boom and bust cycle will always occur as money moves upward throughout society"
Boom-bust cycle is caused due to the ability of central banks to PRINT money AT WILL & to manipulate interest-rates which destroys free markets & thirdly, due to Fractional-Reserve-Banking. Here's a video describing how central banks & FRB lead to "creation" of money that NEVER EXISTED which essentially leads to booms & busts, NOTHING to do with free markets >>>> watch?v=pC8I3J-1GSM
@lomocan I'm fully aware of the fractional reserve system and how it works. Perhaps you could explain to me why then, if this is the only reason for the boom bust cycle, has the boom bust cycle been happening PRIOR to the creation of the federal reserve and the fractional reserve banking system? Busts date back to the 1600s.
Capitalism is the final chapter in historic evolution of THE TYRANNY OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RELATIONSHIP of alienation,exploitation and suffering of humanity, a Market mechanism where minority interest is the NEGATION OF OUR COMMON HUMANITY IN COOPERATION and HARMONY. We shall overcome the structure of minority power and oppression and reclaim our planet for a world of cooperation for our common needs and well being, expressing our energetic creative potentials in freedom of being.
When you have free market with no regulations/rules of course it's going to fail that's Capitalism. it's like giving a toddler a loaded hand gun you know it's not going to end well. oh im sorry you Republicans believe guns don't hurt people also....?
When you have free market with no regulations/rules of course it's going to fail that's Capitalism. it's like giving a toddler a loaded hand gun you know it's not going to end well. oh im sorry you Republicans believe guns don't hurt people also....?
When you have free market with no regulations/rules of course it's going to fail that's Capitalism. it's like giving a toddler a loaded hand gun you know it's not going to end well. oh im sorry you Republicans believe guns don't hurt people also....?
When you have free market with no regulations/rules of course it's going to fail that's Capitalism. it's like giving a toddler a loaded hand gun you know it's not going to end well. oh im sorry you Republicans believe guns don't hurt people also....?
When you have free market with no regulations/rules of course it's going to fail that's Capitalism. it's like giving a toddler a loaded hand gun you know it's not going to end well. oh im sorry you Republicans believe guns don't hurt people also....?
When you have free market with no regulations/rules of course it's going to fail that's Capitalism. it's like giving a toddler a loaded hand gun you know it's not going to end well. oh im sorry you Republicans believe guns don't hurt people also....?
When you have free market with no regulations/rules of course it's going to fail that's Capitalism. it's like giving a toddler a loaded hand gun you know it's not going to end well. oh im sorry you Republicans believe guns don't hurt people also....?
When you have free market with no regulations/rules of course it's going to fail that's Capitalism. it's like giving a toddler a loaded hand gun you know it's not going to end well. oh im sorry you Republicans believe guns don't hurt people also....?
When you have free market with no regulations/rules of course it's going to fail that's Capitalism. it's like giving a toddler a loaded hand gun you know it's not going to end well. oh im sorry you Republicans believe guns don't hurt people also....?
When you have free market with no regulations/rules of course it's going to fail that's Capitalism. it's like giving a toddler a loaded hand gun you know it's not going to end well. oh im sorry you Republicans believe guns don't hurt people also....?
When you have free market with no regulations/rules of course it's going to fail that's Capitalism. it's like giving a toddler a loaded hand gun you know it's not going to end well. oh im sorry you Republicans believe guns don't hurt people also....?
When you have free market with no regulations/rules of course it's going to fail that's Capitalism. it's like giving a toddler a loaded hand gun you know it's not going to end well. oh im sorry you Republicans believe guns don't hurt people also....?
When you have free market with no regulations/rules of course it's going to fail that's Capitalism. it's like giving a toddler a loaded hand gun you know it's not going to end well. oh im sorry you Republicans believe guns don't hurt people also....?
When you have free market with no regulations/rules of course it's going to fail that's Capitalism. it's like giving a toddler a loaded hand gun you know it's not going to end well. oh im sorry you Republicans believe guns don't hurt people also.....?
When you have free market with no regulations/rules of course it's going to fail that's Capitalism. it's like giving a toddler a loaded hand gun you know it's not going to end well. oh im sorry you Republicans believe guns don't hurt people also.....?
Corporatism- Govt. backed markets. Which does the US sound like???"
Nicely put, short & simple.
Mainstream media & politicians brainwash everyone so much that most people don't even know what "free market capitalism" means, they confuse it with fascism/corporatism & YET, amazingly enough, seek help from fascist/socialist politicians/governments which are basically corporatists by nature, how unfortunate!
I don't fear that this is the end of capitalism. Why? Because of information technology being available and used by practically 99.99% (I made this up obviously but I would suspect it true) of this country across socio-economic classes of people. I believe the rise of libertarianism is going to smack (electorally) this country's leaders so hard their great grand children will feel it! We reformed welfare and the only reason Obama is still in office is because of the constitutional 4 year term.
The evolution of recent human history has been dominated by minority control over the majority, the rulers have come up with nessesary illusion for compliance and servitude of the many, Science and technology has created a world of plenty, but the market mechanism is about artificial scarcity to perpetuate poverty and exploitation in a modality of war,enviornmental destructions,animal cruelty and so on . The new paradigm is sharing the Earth for our collective needs and wellbeing
"Capitalism failed during the depression and its failing now"
Biggest myth EVER! It was communism/socialism that caused the Great Depression, NOT capitalism. What did Hoover & Roosevelt do? They erected trade-barriers, minimum-wage-laws & massive gov regulations which raised the prices of goods/services in US which turned recession into Great Depression; on other hand, when there was a big recession in 1920, gov did absolutely NOTHING to "cure" it & it went away in a year
for instance, an American fascist would see the 1940s as peaceful, full or people who "knew how to act" and had morals, and how great they were, and how smart they were....and they would want to bring that twisted view of history back to life
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truth:
People in the 1940s were extremely conservative, didnt give a shit about other people, they were as racist as europe is today, and they imposed their way of life on everybody else and they were as violent as we were in ANY other time period.
Good for Ron Paul. I respect policians that take responsibility. The mark of a good leader is accountability. I'm voting for Ron Paul in 2012. I trust myself, not who I think the majority will vote for. If everyone used their own mind instead of blindly following the biggest dogs, Ron Paul would be President. It begins one mind at a time. Don't be popularity poll puppets. Obviously both major parties are fucking up the system.
@riverlioness yh vote for him like his last campaign when he raised millions then he did not run as president..i wonder where all the money went? he is a good guy a capitalist but im sure he will not let corporate greed run a muck howver he wants to hand all powers to them he is a bit illusioned by patriotic conservativism that can get him into trouble
"I'm voting for Ron Paul in 2012. I trust myself, not who I think the majority will vote for. If everyone used their own mind instead of blindly following the biggest dogs, Ron Paul would be President. It begins one mind at a time. Don't be popularity poll puppets. Obviously both major parties are fucking up the system"
Exactly, if only more people could realize this & stop this bipartisan BS that's destroying America from both sides; people should vote for IDEAS, NOT parties
How can people blame Freedom to get Freedom? It doesnt work. Capitalism means "You own your shit!" take that away and tell me what you have left?. I see people are blaming the money not the power... "shakes head" The money rulers earned that money and we didnt stop them whether they comitted crimes or not. People, your not getting your assests back, no matter what new systems ensues, sorry.
@Supafreak666 the point is sum people have nothing because some people e.g. banks corporations steel it off them by stealing their future by buying off congress getting bailed out..firing workers..mistreating people..starting wars...denying people healthcare..denying people a future...causing everyone to be in debt..not paying taxes properly..looking down upon the poor..brainwashing idiots like u who still think a social government will take away ur stuff whats ur is urs if its not stolen sumhow
Ron Paul is 100% correct. We can take over the government again. Kick out the Keyensians, Socialists, and Marxists in government. ie... EVERY LAST DEMOCRAT. Then turn our attention to the Republicans. If they do not go back to their fiscally Conservative roots (MCCAIN) then out on your asses you go to. At this point the Democratic party is obsolete. The 2 parties in this country should be Libertarians and Conservatives
Due to no action being taken in regulating Wall Street the USA and capitalism is now on countdown to doomsday. This isn't going to be pretty when the banks fail again and this time can't be bailed out. In this very serious sense the US government (both sides of politics are responsible) not for the first time has steered the ship straight for the giant iceberg. It is now only a matter of time.
How many corporations are involved in the military industrial complex? Does Johnson & Johnson make nuclear warheads? No. They make diapers and diaper rash ointment among other products your family has probably used!
I don't know about you, but I would choose Bill Gates over a dictator any day. Maybe it's because Bill Gates hasn't murdered anyone!
Mao sticking me in a labor camp and hooking shock devices to my head sounds much worse than corporate wealth! Maybe it's me.
If that's how you feel, join a commune. Play bongo drums. I have nothing against people who live out their simple life in the woods---it's when people advocate for the whole country to do so. I like my technology. I like my luxuries. I live in a country that provides cell phone and internet service to everyone through the benefits of capitalism. Nobody's stopping you from living in the woods and hunting deer. Save your money, disconnect the internet. Buy a plot of land
@riverlioness u are officially the most stupid moron i have had message me. nobody is against technology and shit. it's purely about the distribution of wealth which is unfair. nobody plays bongos ur confusing us with new age freaks. furthermore fuck ur luxuries i love my luxuries 2 but i hate it when i remember that people die from starvation and are left in the street. u must love being screwed by the establishments and kept quite by cellphones. ur a world class moron!!
@timetochilli "it's purely about the distribution of wealth which is unfair"
and who are you to tell who deserves what? thats the flaw of the communist system. If someone gives you the power to administrate all the money in the system and to decide what to give and to whom you will probably end up stealing a lot the money along with your government and your newly formed political elite... then you create a system with no higher authority than yours and you concentrate all the power...
then if you make a mistake or if people criticize you for something to whom are they going to ask for help? there is no human society in this planet, that doesn't run on greed, but the difference is that in communism you concentrate the power and only a few can enjoy, you make a two class society (politicians and peasants) out of a three class one (high, middle, and low class), and even worse the peasants are all equally poor while the politicians are the ones with the wealth...
Do you think everyone in the soviet union had a dacha? do you think everyone there drove nice cars or moved in limousines? no just the politicians... but in a capitalist society depends on not how MUCH you work but on how SMART you work? for example people complain about how easily life is for some rich guy because he bought stocks and thats how he became rich, but if thats so why don't they get up they're asses and start studying and learn about the stock market so they can do the same?
Besides working hard doesn't mean you use power tools or chop wood. My dad gets to work an hour earlier than his employees and leaves two ours after them. he then takes his work home and spend five more hours working, and all of this on his computer. does this means he doesn't work hard just because he owns his own business? now what would happen in a socialist system huh? they would take my dads money and make him earn the same as his employees even though he works twice as hard.
If you want to work hard and earn your money thats completely fine... but don't try to steal my money from you benefits and the ones of the government aka "the so called people"... fuck communism...
Very nice thoughts, I hope at least one or two people will see the sense in them & realize how free markets are the best economic model to raise people out of poverty; it's not perfect but still the best one out there because it puts individual liberty ahead of everything else which leads to social & economic freedoms for EVERYONE.
Paul is deluded by his Austrian School indoctrination. He talks about the Fed as if it has nothing do with Capitalism. Listen up Congressman! The bailouts and all the moneys given to banks, insurance companies and wall street firms are a way to buttress Capitalism not instill socialism. The socialism argument is a phony one perpetuated by monetarists and right-wing idiots masquerading as Libertarians which is what Paul was before he sold out to the GOP.
@ToSeeThingsClear rofl you are totally clueless... federal reserve interest rates and promise of bailouts led to the wholesale failure of banks. govt fannie/freddie w/ special privileges caused the housing bubble. oil problem was caused by govt inflation oil price remained same in terms of gold & that had an effect on auto. govt caused the crisis not free market capitalism. libertarians simply want govt to put ppl in jail for fraud, aggression & theft.
Ron Paul is really delusional. It's not possible to have capitalism without stock market bubbles, the military-industrial complex, the 'revolving door' between Congress and the corporations, massive government handouts and subsidies for big-business and just a corruption of all politicians in general. They go together hand in glove because capitalism is just large scale legalised corruption.
@sillynanny44 Your just repeating the same deluded nonsense. Look, there is on the one hand your fanatsy capitalism of free markets, incorruptable politicians, and sound money, and then there is the reality, which is that rich people ALWAYS find ways to bend the system in their favour. Your perfect free market will never, ever last longer than it takes for the rich to buy off the system.
@HolyCows154 govt being big is what attracts the lobbyists... we have that because people dont read the constitution and federal govt taking away states powers... this is why libertarians are not wasting time trying to influence the politicians directly instead libertarians like paul are educating their constituents. once libertarianism is popular, politicians would support it because they want the votes
@sillynanny44 I like you sillynanny, but god damn, I mean really, you have swallowed every one of the corporate lies to the point where you are now a perfect little shock troop for goldman sachs & co. Corporations want all welfare and medicare gutted and privatised, that way the American people will be slaves reliant on them for the tiny scraps they throw them. They like increased power to states because they are smaller and even easier to corrupt. The constitution alone won't save you, sorry.
@HolyCows154 medicare, social security, medicaid, amtrak, post office bankrupt. private road builders can reduce travel time from 45min - 10min, govt school obviously fails, etc ''little shock troop for goldman sachs & co.'' are u saying u want the govt to get more power and you think it wont help goldman sachs and you are demonizing libertarians? no corporations want to control powerful fed govt because it affects more ppl state are HARDER to corrupt because it is closer to constituents.
@sillynanny44 The point about moving power closer to the people is just brilliant, I endorse it myself. But state legislatures are not that close to people really. Why don't you push that idea to it's proper logical conclusion and institute worker self-management, local community control of schools, hospitals etc. Instead you want to shrink back the state by giving all the services out to corporations which people don't control - new McDonald's school, repeat after me kids! 'i'm lovin it!'...
@HolyCows154 the closer the power is to the individual the closer it is to the ideal system... powering moving to the states would be a good transition period... mcdonalds school? do you even know what capitalism is? mcdonalds school is silly but i guess ill have to explain that too private school beats public schools, it would not be in the interest of priv schools to talk about mcdonald. in capitalism corporations are incentivized to serve the consumer..
@sillynanny44 Incentivized to serve which consumer? The one with lots of money or the vast majority of people in America who struggle as it is under the current system. Believe me MdDonalds school is a fantastic corporate enterprise, put one in a poor area and you can train up all your own burger flippers so they want and are incapable of anything else. They have no choice, they are poor. Your system provides excellent services, but only for a small, favoured minority.
@HolyCows154 we have 22% unemployment/underemployment that is caused by govt stealing capital from the private sector. current system is a statist system. i said in capitalism they're incentivized to serve the consumer. mcdonalds school argument doesnt work because in capitalism mcdonalds school wouldnt exist because it would be innefficient. capitalism provide excellent services for the most people possible. continue..
@HolyCows154 continue... to say that capitalism serves small minority is totally ignoring logic... priv sector wont earn a profit if they dont set price that a lot of people would accept... oh and govt inflation is why the dollar is so weak/high prices... even though we have govt inflation, some prices still go down due to competition (tv, computer, cellphones, contact lenses, plastic surgery, lasik eye surgery, etc)
@sillynanny44 some prices still go down even w/ inflation because they have competition (characteristic of free market capitalism)* as for other products where prices go up that is due to govt eliminating competition, govt inflation, govt bureaucracies, govt mandating HMO, taxes etc
@sillynanny44 The top 1% pay 28% of tax, the top 20% contribute 82% of tax. If you remove medicare, medicaid, schools, welfare, and pensions away from government and make people buy them individually, it would be the largest redistibution of wealth from the poor to rich in all of human history. The bottom 90% have had stagnant wage growth for decades now. The bottom half will be turned into impovershed serfs. Unemployment will always exist under capitalism, reserve labor means cheap labor.
@HolyCows154 28 + 82, 110% tax? if all those things go to the private sector the corporations would actually compete instead of using govt to eliminate competition and keep prices up... do you not understand that im explaining to you causation? while you are JUST making claims? like that stagnant wage growth thing i just explained to you its caused by inflation & lack of competition.
@sillynanny44 The top 1% are included in the top 20%, this is obvious. Secondly, the claims on tax come from the Tax Policy Centre and Heritage Foundation. Not claims, facts. Stagnant wage growth started in 1980 and took place because of the wholesale demolition of the unions and massive reductions in taxes on the rich introduced by Ronald Reagan. What I am saying is based on observed truth derived from all over the world where free market systems like your describing have been brought in.
@HolyCows154 right never mind that 110% tax thing i didnt read right. taxing the top 20% is stealing capital from job creators. capitalism is not about magnitude, it is an intransigent principle. i know that specific point uve said is a fact im just telling you the cause, did reagan get rid of inflation and big govt?? in a free capitalist system you can have unions you're just not suppose to use the govt for special benefits.
@HolyCows154 ''based on observed truth, free market systems like mine have been brought in'' totally baseless read my reply about reagan because that nonsense certainly doesnt constitute anything substantial to prove that we ever had an ideal free market system.
@sillynanny44 This is a no true scotsman fallacy. The fact is, even if your perfect free market has never existed (it can't as i've already explained), countries which have moved closer to a total free market have all experienced rises in poverty, massive wealth gaps, and the outsourcing of industry and jobs (the opposite of job creation). This is true in America, Britain, Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Indonesia and a dozen other countries around the world.
@HolyCows154 If a corporation could make people work for ten cents an hour then they would. It is in all employers interests to pay as little as they can get away with. If there is no government to regulate them, and if people are reduced to competing like crazy for jobs, then wages will remain static, or they will get lower and lower. The only reason people don't work for ten cents an hour in America is because people before you fought like crazy for worker rights, the eight hour day etc.
@HolyCows154 They don't have to collude with eachother to make this happen, the free market mechanism does all the work for them. This is why graduates are now having to fight eachother to now work for FREE for corporations as interns.
@HolyCows154 uh they DO have to collude w/ each other to get rid of useful employees... tell me what is the incentive for a company to get rid of useful employees tell me what free market mechanism.. are you saying that companies magically know that other companies will get rid of workers? so they go along and get rid of their own? a company would go out of business if they try that nonsense...
@sillynanny44 Were talking over eachother and out of sync now. What you say about valued employees is true. This is why CEO's get 3-500 times the salary of a normal worker. The vast majority of workers are not unique, or invaluable to the corporations they work for. They are replacable because there is always a pool of labor which they can draw from. Again your agument works for the elite only, it is shown to be largely false by the lack of wage increases for workers over thirty years.
RON PAUL IS REPUBLICAN PRETENDING TO BE LIBERTARIAN. REPUBLICANS OPENED EYES TO SOVIET UNION , THANKS TO REAGAN, NOW RUSSIA IS BECOMING CAPITALISTIC COUNTRY. REPUBLICANS DISRESPECTED US DOLLAR, THEY FOCUS ON A LEWINSKI DRESS, EUROPE GATHERED TOGETHER AND CREATED EUROS. RON PAUL WANTS TO TURN USA IN TO PUSSY COUNTRY. RON PAUL WAKE UP OLD FART , TALIBAN STONES WOMEN TO DEATH AND RAPES LITTLE GIRLS, THATS WHY THEY DONT WANT SCHOOLS THERE. RON PAUL IS 100% REPUBLICAN . BUSH DESTROYED TWIN TOWERS!
democratsaresmart 6 months ago
Capitalism is no longer able to create decent jobs. Even before the 9/08 crash, most of the jobs gained during W's administration were in "Mc jobs"; low-wage service jobs. Not the kind of jobs you can buy a house/new car or raise a family on. An economic system that can't create decent jobs is a dying economic system. Once people realize this, they will demand government jobs--this will mean nationalization of dying industries. That is how capitalism will die.
fantom58 8 months ago
@fantom58 Capitalism died long ago in the US when the feds n corporation n banks started mixing. We went from capitalism to fascism which fdr was a fan of. The US shows most of the 14 defining characteristics of fascism.
william0873 8 months ago
Would you force someone to live under a socialist government if they didn’t want to?
manor1730 8 months ago
Off shoring is #2 reason for Econ fail. Legalized stealing is #1 !!!!
mba2ceo 8 months ago
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da3skooom 8 months ago
Ron Paul , how do you think it all started. Yes it all started from capitalism. It is a vicious circle and you want to go back to the beggining to experience it all over again.
Good luck.
shogu666 9 months ago
Oh and as for the US: the US is a completely ruined country. The US themselves do not produce anything anymore that anybody in the world would want - except a little software and some movie. I mean honestly: who wants to buy one of those crappy US cars in Europe or Asia? Exactly, no one. The Chinese and Japanese practically own the whole US and are financing the consumer society the US have become. So: the US system failed completely
hoplite669 10 months ago
@hoplite669
The Japanese & the Chinese don't own the US, good concept for politicians to demagogue thou. And the US has not failed yet. Actually many people do buy crappy US made cars. I don't know who this person you refer to who's name is "No One", sounds like a looser. And the US make the majority of softwares & also some good movies.
OverlordShamala 9 months ago
I personally would love to see a capitalist system with no social safeguards.
idedesign 10 months ago
@idedesign : sure, until you get your first disease and cant work anymore.
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xsabbathgamer 11 months ago
According to this argumentation, on its face, there has never been a world economic system that we could call "capitalism." I do not know of a case in history when such fundamentalists have not said that a particular system failed because it was not pure enough. Capitalism is a totality it is not this and that.
auxyray 1 year ago
Robert. I know it is not what you have heard, but I think you have it just backwards. Socialisms are what create and enforce monopolies-NOT free-market forces. In the free market, anyone can compete which means that anyone trying to stay at the top has to always provide a competitive price , viz they are always forced to compete and always in danger of not being the most powerful...and the only way this could be threatened is if there is NOT a free market-viz regulations and controls...
craig557 1 year ago
Wow, I often agree with Mr Paul, but not this time. He is ignoring the immorality behind monopoly, extortion, and corruption all allowed within capitalism.
RobertMOdell 1 year ago
@RobertMOdell I think corruption, particularly the allowance of political power by those who have alot of money (which is forbidden in the Constitution) is the culprit for those things you list-NOT Capitalism. Too often people equate capitalism with greed, when ironically socialism is far more greed-driven. Just look at the results, historically, of all socialist systems-they are sold under the framework of provisioning and care for those who have not...but they always end oppositely.
craig557 1 year ago
@craig557 Another problem with capitalism is monopoly, which is the enabler for oppression.
RobertMOdell 1 year ago
Ladies and gentlemen we have reached the age of peak oil. To date oil production peaked in 2005 and despite high prices has not matched that level again. The world that built on abundant oil is about to be destroyed and remade by its scarsity. Also don't think that coal, gas or uranium are going to bail us out because they are all near peak production too.
MrTadblack 1 year ago
When you give a country's wealth to a few rich people at the top who can use and ration it as they see fit to everyone else, that's what causes collapses. The money is not getting into the pockets of the common people, who are the backbone of the economy. Capitalism keeps the common person from holding economic power. If Capitalism is so great, why has it only made a very small percentage of people well off?
PriestChristopher 1 year ago
Ron Paul advocates Capitalism because it's made him rich. He benefits from it greatly, and so do his rich friends.
PriestChristopher 1 year ago
What Ron Paul won't tell you is that we've had FAR more than just the 29 and modern day economic crash. We've been Capitalist since our founding. Study history and let's count the number of economic panics and crisis we've had. The economic crisis and panic of 1792, 1819, 1837, 1857, 1873, 1907, 1929, and now another one. Through most of our history, we've had economic failures, and we didn't always have government involved or social programs.
PriestChristopher 1 year ago
Paul also doesn't understand what socialism is. Socialism is not "big government." A large minority if not a majority of socialists, historically, were anarchists; they didn't think centralized government had a right to EXIST, let alone run the economy.
Socialism is worker control over production. Which is exactly what we need in the United States.
QuatFax 1 year ago
Paul understands the problems, but he's clueless about solutions. YES, big government is part of the problem. He's absolutely right that our problems are caused by collusion between the government and corporations. But he misses the point that you CAN'T have capitalism without big government. The laissez-faire is a myth.
The only solution is to abolish BOTH capitalism AND government, in favor of free association, direct democracy, and worker self-management.
QuatFax 1 year ago
The problem is not the abusive power, but the power to abuse. When the legislature controls the buying and selling in an economy, the first things to be bought and sold are the legislatures.
AroundSun 1 year ago
It wasn't capitalism that failed. It was a bunch of things that are all part of capitalism.
ahumancertainty 1 year ago
It is both the Federal Reserve and Capitalism. Capitalism or scarcity economics is what is driving human misery. Only malevolent ETs benefit out of the misery of the human race. Their slave plantation managers are the human illumanati and human secret gov. who create wars on Earth to make sure humans of Earth do not explore independently and to fuel the capitalist machinery which needs war industry as a lubricant.
cris750 1 year ago
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mattjnor98 1 year ago
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MrFame1313 1 year ago
nothing to do with socialism verses capitalism, if you spend more than you earn for any length of time, weather as an individual or a country your going to end up in the shit. its so simple
MrSimned 1 year ago
furthermore, it's ridiculous of Paul to blame the "safety net" that society wants as part of the cause. That's just insane. Tel that to all of the poor that look around and don't see a safety net anywhere. The crash was caused by DEREGULATION and the rich hoarding all of their money.
sugarcanegray 1 year ago
@sugarcanegray Couldnt have said it better myself. Spread the word dude, spread the word....
Noeldiego 1 year ago
@Noeldiego thanks. the financial crisis, as with the ones in the past, coincided with the largest disparity in earnings, with the top 1% taking over 20% of the total money. No wonder the market crashed, there's simply not enough money to go around.
sugarcanegray 1 year ago
@sugarcanegray
To create "safety net" gov siphons people's savings thru taxes, most of which gets eaten up by politicians & bureaucrats & whatever little reaches the poor is used ineffectively while IF that money were left with people, they'd put it into business directly or indirectly (thru banks) which creates new jobs, more goods/services hence lower prices of goods/services which help the poor lot of more than rich & middleclass while none or very little of this happens when gov siphons it
lomocan 1 year ago
@lomocan the majority of people don't even earn enough to save, tax or no tax, because the wealthiest individuals take so much. The average working man, even if they paid zero tax simply doesn't earn enough to make their own safety net. They are taxed highly to compensate for that. I agree the money however is spent unwisely. Investing in business won't lead to more jobs. The bailout certainly didn't, and that was hundreds of billions handed over directly to banking & financial institutions.
sugarcanegray 1 year ago
@sugarcanegray you are one of those poor souls who believes that life is a zero sum game, and in order for one man to gain another must lose. I feel bad for people who don't understand economic growth and production possibilities. I bet you also believe that rich people "hoard" their money under their pillows because they're greedy and like human suffering instead of hiring, investing, and growing their businesses or purchasing items creating jobs and economic activity.
AroundSun 1 year ago
@AroundSun Think about what you wrote. I mean, logically. We live in a world of finite resources. If one man takes way more than their share, it is essentially robbing another. No matter how you look at it, that is true. Unless you believe resources are infinite. In which case, perhaps you should share your fantasy world with everyone else.
sugarcanegray 1 year ago
@sugarcanegray How do you take more than your share? Who decides whos share is whos?
AroundSun 1 year ago
@AroundSun I honestly don't know. But leaving it to a market is absurd and does not serve the interests of the majority.
Thinking about it, the people should decide. Not elites, not corporations, not banks, not politicians, not governments. The distribution of resources should be under the control of the people who own the resources - and that is every person that's born on this planet. We all should inherit and equal share of what's available.
sugarcanegray 1 year ago
@sugarcanegray Ok, under control of the people, who own the resources, and having free trade. That is what you just said. That is exactly the definition of capitalism. That is the market. So we both agree. Leaving it to a "market" means producing goods and services for consumers to consume.
AroundSun 1 year ago
@AroundSun Not in the slightest. The market isn't and could never be "under the control of the people", and that's the point. It's weighted towards those who make the most profit. Democratic control of the world's resources is the very antithesis of capitalism. It would mean production is determined by need and not by greed or profit. Futhermore people currently do not own the world's resources. They are owned by capitalists who then sell them to the people for profit.
sugarcanegray 1 year ago
@sugarcanegray Of course the market is under control of the people. The private sector can not coerce you to give it money. Profit is necessary in order to have incentives for economic growth. Profit is redistributed throughout the economy in loans, investments creating more jobs, goods, and services. Businesses constantly competing for prices. The constitution does not authorize democratic control of life, liberty, and property. The tyranny of the majority and corruption would rule.
AroundSun 1 year ago
@AroundSun it's really not. The free market is under the control of those who have the wealth and are in control of the means of production. There is nothing democratic about the free market. Profit is necessary only to make the rich richer. The constitution is an outdated document that needs to be either binned or severely amended. The "tyranny" of the majority is far better than the tyranny of the few, which is what capitalism leads to. As we can see now. The rich have the power.
sugarcanegray 1 year ago
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AroundSun 1 year ago
@AroundSun now there's something we can both agree on. Big Government is one of the biggest problems facing society today. They no longer represent the people, they represent their own interests and the interests of large corporations.
You know, I'm not 100% anti the free-market. On a small scale, I believe it to be a perfect solution... I'm just skeptical about it on a much larger scale....
sugarcanegray 1 year ago
@sugarcanegray It is THE biggest problem because almost every other social and economical problem today here in the US stems from it. It is an even bigger shame for the federal government to give safety nets to companies to begin with. Privatizing profits while socializing losses. Business failure is as important as business success. Profits signal to producers of goods and services what the economy most needs at that time. The government should run the courts police and our military only.
AroundSun 1 year ago
@AroundSun agreed however I wouldn't trust private enterprise to manage needed social programmes. I know you don't agree with the safety net concept, but I for one have had to rely on it after losing a job earlier this year and losing 3 months salary. Basically without the safety net, I'd have been homeless.
sugarcanegray 1 year ago
@sugarcanegray Without government interference all over the place you wouldn't have lost your job, and you probably would have been making more money
AroundSun 1 year ago
@AroundSun Government interference, regrettably, had nothing to do with it. More a case of piss poor management, imbalance of power etc. And the government NOT intervening meant we were all strung along for 3 months without pay before the company collapsed...
I never needed more money, I don't need a lot to live on to be honest. I'm happy to pay taxes, I see them at work all around me. And lord knows I've needed the help recently.
sugarcanegray 1 year ago
@sugarcanegray Government interference has everything to do with it. Have you ever done research? Do you know anything about politics? Apparently not. You just watch CNN and MSNBC and wait for Obama to please you with kind words. You name one problem and I will relate it back to government intervention. Name one good thing your tax money goes to and I will show you how the private sector would do a better job. If benevolence was so great and worked, we wouldnt need to be forced into it.
AroundSun 1 year ago
@AroundSun Don't try and patronise me. You have absolutely no idea what happened to the company I worked for. It had NOTHING to do with govt involvement. I don't care for Obama either, and nor do I get my news from the MSM. I currently live in Spain, btw, and my tax provides me with: unemployment benefit, free healthcare, a clean city with low crime thanks to a strong police, I have nice parks near me, children are happy and can play safely. very few homeless... lots of subsidised culture too.
sugarcanegray 1 year ago
@sugarcanegray Why can't people open unemployment insurance companies and have it voluntarily participated in? It would be cheaper because there would be less wasteful spending. This way if you didn't want it, you didn't have to purchase it. All the things your tax dollars are going towards are forced upon you, not voluntary. When the constitution was written for the federal government they were not thinking about the government in Spain. Government was to be extremely limited.
AroundSun 1 year ago
@AroundSun because:
a) a private company would need to make a profit (Prices go up)
b) private enterprise cannot be trusted because of the previous imperative (look into how HMOs deny payment for treatment at every opportunity)
c) it's more risky (look how many people have lost out in private pensions and so forth because of market fluctuations, bad investing etc)
Look at how Lockheed has dealt with unemployment insurance and tell me if it's
a) humane and
b) good for the community.
sugarcanegray 1 year ago
@sugarcanegray I am done with you, I am not sitting here teaching you about basic 6th grade economics and how profits allocate the resources in an economy and tell producers what the economy needs at any given time. If you don't understand this and keep up with the greedy mentality and dont understand the balance in markets you will always be a dumbass. Sorry.Humane, and good for the community are not things the government are capable of forcing on me. Go back to communist russia you fuckbag
AroundSun 1 year ago
@AroundSun Wow hurling insults because you cannot maintain a civilised debate. Thanks for admitting your arguments are completely flawed to the point you have to act like a crying child.
sugarcanegray 1 year ago
@AroundSun Seems to me at the moment you are at your weekest, you'd have to struggle against a private company who'd would, at the least, prefer not to pay you if they can.
UI companies would undoubtedly be corporations... We'd have stuff like insurers paying off employers to make up reasons for firing people so they aren't entitled to their UI at a fraction of paying the benificiary. And you'd need government watch dog agencies to oversee this kind of crap...
It would not be cheaper.
HarfangX 1 year ago
@HarfangX Yes because companies would be able to profit by not paying their employees..Never heard that one before...I have no time for your stupidity. Government watch dog agencies. Pfaahahaha. That is laughable. They would be bought and sold in a heartbeat. You statists dont get it.
AroundSun 1 year ago
@AroundSun I never said comanies would seek profit by not paying their employees... I said private insurance companies would seek profit by not indemnising benificiaries. If you've heard of this before it's because it's a common practice.
I'll assume that when you said you had no time for this, that included reading the comments you replied to.
"bought and sold"?... coorporations are traded on daily... based on profitability, and it's more profitable not to pay out benificiaries.
HarfangX 1 year ago
@AroundSun. If a company could continue to make big bucks without hiring a single worker, they would do it. They hire people because they need workers to sustain their big companies and keep making their productivity. If they cared about sustaining the workers, they'd pay them a decent salary and give them benefits and health insurance. The problem is that the common people have no economic power and are being used and exploited by the rich.
PriestChristopher 1 year ago
@PriestChristopher Your whole "evil rich and greedy capitalist" arguments are so 19th century. Learn some fucking history and economics before you say another fucking word you god damn mainstream douche bag. I don't even know where to begin ripping your dumb ass apart. Maybe this is why I don't teach. Thank god. Like everyone owes you something simply for existing. You liberals should be lined up and shot in the head
AroundSun 1 year ago
@AroundSun. Cursing and throwing insults with baseless claims does not win an argument, friend. Go educate yourself. It just shows you have no argument and have lost.
PriestChristopher 1 year ago
@PriestChristopher evil rich people..haha...how could you be so stupid? Dont you see that greed is irrelevant? It is force and coercion on the part of the state and our freedoms in the hands of a select few that is the problem. The road to hell was paved with good intentions, and even hitler had a vision.
AroundSun 1 year ago
@AroundSun. In short, you haven't refuted anything I've said, you just made fun of me and threw insults and used fallacies to back them up. Here's some advice, don't ever participate in a public debate. You apparently squabble and ramble in the face of facts.
PriestChristopher 1 year ago
@PriestChristopher I have refuted everything you have said. You could not win an argument with me on economics, politics, and history if your life depended on it. Government is always force and coercion leading to inefficiency. The private sector and free enterprise are always voluntary and mutually consenting. End of story.
AroundSun 1 year ago
@AroundSun. Yea, keep telling yourself that. Enjoy living in your own world where you refuted me.
PriestChristopher 1 year ago
@PriestChristopher Ok you're right, I am wrong. America is a bad country. Socialism works so well that is why many countries have adopted it but we are too stupid to see how wonderful socialism is. Politicians in Washington aren't greedy only entrepreneurs are greedy. Politicians have our best interests at heart and will protect us all the time. Tax dollars go towards only good things, and the government is extremely efficient at keeping records and eliminating wasteful spending.
AroundSun 1 year ago
@AroundSun. You ignorantly tell me to learn history when you don't know that I am on my way to a PhD in history. But yea, all you did was throw insults and cruse at me, which really shows your lack of intelligent vocabulary and lack of intelligent argument. What you did was the desperate action of someone proven wrong.
PriestChristopher 1 year ago
@PriestChristopher It is sad that people with Ph D's now have such little knowledge of society. You must be getting a degree in liberal history. I bet you hate our country now too after listening to everything your liberal professor has said. Sitting there listening to him like he is a messiah. You are perfect for politics. No real world experience. Maybe you can get into office, take some of my tax dollars, and run society for us since you've never had to run anything in your life.
AroundSun 1 year ago
@AroundSun. Now you're just using another right wing copout by accusing me of hating the country because I point out the flaws in it. No, I point out the flaws in hopes that people will wake up before it's too late. If I hated America, I wouldn't care if it fell. And it will if we keep on this track. You don't know anything about my education, and as common Republican talking points, instead of making intelligent arguments, you thrown baseless insults. You don't know me at all, clearly.
PriestChristopher 1 year ago
@PriestChristopher You either have freedom or you do not. America, was built with freedom in mind, obviously. Political, Social, and our Economical freedoms are all because of America and our prosperity during the time of limited government. I can tell just by the way you speak you are very uneducated and young. You think you can change the world because you've never had to do anything in your life. Let people live. You will see the light one day, I did. Government is NOT the answer.
AroundSun 1 year ago
@sugarcanegray I see what you are getting at, but the reason the playing field is unfair is because of concentrated central power/planning. It's not the abusive power but the power to abuse. If the politicians don't have that power, to reward their friends and punish their enemies, then people become uninterested to slip money to the politicians. When the legislature sets the rules for buying and selling, the first things to be bough and sold will be the legislatures. THIS IS BIG GOVERNMENT
AroundSun 1 year ago
@sugarcanegray
"The crash was caused by DEREGULATION"
It was caused by mainly due to community reinvestment act & such REGULATIONS that forced banks to lend to LOTS OF risky debtors "with the intention that poor can get houses", when these INELIGIBLE debtors became insolvent, the pyramid of Fractional-Reserve-Banking collapsed, as it eventually always does, causing the "non-existing money" to vanish from the market which means liquidity of money was lowered & prices of things jumped up.
lomocan 1 year ago
@lomocan no it wasn't. The US govt has been deregulating since Reagan, allowing banking and investment institutions make even more and more risky speculations. Since Reagan, Wall St has owned the govt and deregulated their industries to maximise their profits. The Community Reinvestment Act has been shown to not be connected to the crash, and that it was in itself a form of deregulation as it permitted even riskier loans and expanded potential the client-base.
sugarcanegray 1 year ago
@sugarcanegray Just your choice of words makes me hate you. You say "allow" as if it is up to a bunch of bureaucrats and liberals (who think they can run the world because they have never had to run anything in there life) to be "allowing" people to act freely. As if they are our LEADERS and not SERVANTS. Telling businessmen how to be running their businesses and treating their customers even though they have never been in business in their life. Allowing risky investments? I hate you sir
AroundSun 1 year ago
@AroundSun Charming. But I'm afraid that's how it works right now. Everything we have comes from the top down. Do I agree with it? Not in the least. Do I think it's right? Not at all. Don't judge me as some "liberal" just because you need to label people. You don't even know what a liberal is. A liberal IS a capitalist. And I am most certainly NOT a capitalist. Jog on, son, jog on.
sugarcanegray 1 year ago
@sugarcanegray No, I am sorry, but most capitalists are conservative. Most liberals are intellects with an unconstrained vision and think we need a socialist state. They have visions and ideas that have already failed. You say thats how it works right now? What we have now is corporatism. That is not capitalism. It is more like fascism. Groups buying politicians for favors and safety nets is not a free market. Unfortunately, corporatism is what we have now, which is interventionism.
AroundSun 1 year ago
@AroundSun That label "liberal" you're using is an empty label and highly false. Liberalism is all about LIBERTY and that includes financial liberty. A liberal is NOT a socialist, no matter what FOX news says about it. Look up the history of liberalism for an idea of what the term actually means before you go bandying it around.
I agree, we do have corporatism right now. Corporatism is the end game of capitalism. Corporatism is created by the concentrations of power that capitalism creates.
sugarcanegray 1 year ago
it's not the end of capitalism, but it's just indicative of how the system is faulty: the boom and bust cycle will always occur as money moves upward throughout society. The crashes always coincide with a peaking wage gap.
sugarcanegray 1 year ago
@sugarcanegray
"the boom and bust cycle will always occur as money moves upward throughout society"
Boom-bust cycle is caused due to the ability of central banks to PRINT money AT WILL & to manipulate interest-rates which destroys free markets & thirdly, due to Fractional-Reserve-Banking. Here's a video describing how central banks & FRB lead to "creation" of money that NEVER EXISTED which essentially leads to booms & busts, NOTHING to do with free markets >>>> watch?v=pC8I3J-1GSM
lomocan 1 year ago
@lomocan I'm fully aware of the fractional reserve system and how it works. Perhaps you could explain to me why then, if this is the only reason for the boom bust cycle, has the boom bust cycle been happening PRIOR to the creation of the federal reserve and the fractional reserve banking system? Busts date back to the 1600s.
sugarcanegray 1 year ago
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Capitalism is the final chapter in historic evolution of THE TYRANNY OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RELATIONSHIP of alienation,exploitation and suffering of humanity, a Market mechanism where minority interest is the NEGATION OF OUR COMMON HUMANITY IN COOPERATION and HARMONY. We shall overcome the structure of minority power and oppression and reclaim our planet for a world of cooperation for our common needs and well being, expressing our energetic creative potentials in freedom of being.
arzoyan 1 year ago
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METALMAN4Wii 1 year ago
Capitalism- Free market.
Corporatism- Govt. backed markets. Which does the US sound like???
TourettesSomething 1 year ago
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"Capitalism- Free market.
Corporatism- Govt. backed markets. Which does the US sound like???"
Nicely put, short & simple.
Mainstream media & politicians brainwash everyone so much that most people don't even know what "free market capitalism" means, they confuse it with fascism/corporatism & YET, amazingly enough, seek help from fascist/socialist politicians/governments which are basically corporatists by nature, how unfortunate!
lomocan 1 year ago
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"Free market" is impossible because
1. how do you keep the people on top from controlling everyone?
2. how do you make sure everyone at the bottom is fed, clothed, etc?
ANSWER
1. FREELY Share ALL resources and knowledge worldwide, NO more money/property
2. Use LATEST technology to create an ABUNDANCE of all our needs, NO more scarcity, waste or theft
3. Automate/localize ALL production and distribution, NO more wage/debt slavery
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dontblockmedk 1 year ago
I don't fear that this is the end of capitalism. Why? Because of information technology being available and used by practically 99.99% (I made this up obviously but I would suspect it true) of this country across socio-economic classes of people. I believe the rise of libertarianism is going to smack (electorally) this country's leaders so hard their great grand children will feel it! We reformed welfare and the only reason Obama is still in office is because of the constitutional 4 year term.
conservative608 1 year ago 2
The evolution of recent human history has been dominated by minority control over the majority, the rulers have come up with nessesary illusion for compliance and servitude of the many, Science and technology has created a world of plenty, but the market mechanism is about artificial scarcity to perpetuate poverty and exploitation in a modality of war,enviornmental destructions,animal cruelty and so on . The new paradigm is sharing the Earth for our collective needs and wellbeing
arzoyan 1 year ago
Capitalism didn't cause the problem-capitalism was the problem.
Capitalism failed during the depression and its failing now.
Paul mixes a safety net with cronyism and corporatism which are all seperate concepts.
He is right that we haven't had real free markets but such a reality would mean the destruction of tons of businesses.
Paul is essentially a right winger who spouts some logical positions but is not trustworthy neither is his racist son Rand.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@MultiSmartass1
"Capitalism failed during the depression and its failing now"
Biggest myth EVER! It was communism/socialism that caused the Great Depression, NOT capitalism. What did Hoover & Roosevelt do? They erected trade-barriers, minimum-wage-laws & massive gov regulations which raised the prices of goods/services in US which turned recession into Great Depression; on other hand, when there was a big recession in 1920, gov did absolutely NOTHING to "cure" it & it went away in a year
lomocan 1 year ago
@lomocan You don't understand history or economics.
The depression was a world wide depression not merely an American depression.
Countries all across the country suffered not merely communistic ones.
Second, the causes of the depression are not readily agreed upon by many historians but communism had nothing to do with causing the crash.
Considering the US has an intensely free market economy during the Hoover administration, socialism had nothing to do with the economy or policy.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
We need Ron Paul to be our president.
666789443 1 year ago 4
Facist regimes adopt LEFT economic systems, because like ALL fascist regimes, the GOVERNMENT is absolute.
AugustMate24 1 year ago
fascism has more to do with racism, than with economics.
AugustMate24 1 year ago 2
how would a fascist bring this twisted "the perfect 1940s" view of history back to life ?
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warrantless arrests, warrantless and uncalled for investagations, foul treatment of minorities, and even mass executions of minorities.
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because inorder to bring a twisted view of history back to life, you need somebody to blame for the changes that happened, that YOU dont like....
and minorities are the easiest scapegoat.
AugustMate24 1 year ago
for instance, an American fascist would see the 1940s as peaceful, full or people who "knew how to act" and had morals, and how great they were, and how smart they were....and they would want to bring that twisted view of history back to life
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truth:
People in the 1940s were extremely conservative, didnt give a shit about other people, they were as racist as europe is today, and they imposed their way of life on everybody else and they were as violent as we were in ANY other time period.
AugustMate24 1 year ago
fascism has nothing to do with corporations,money, or anything else.
Fascism is generally its plagued with this in it's TRUE form :
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a Government with strange authority, authority, policies and a system thats unheard of in the majority of the world.
(the death penalty by itself does not count) believe it or not.
Sometimes, Fascist regimes have DEAD people that are still president.
Fascists often have twisted views of history and want to bring their twisted views of history back to life.
AugustMate24 1 year ago
Good for Ron Paul. I respect policians that take responsibility. The mark of a good leader is accountability. I'm voting for Ron Paul in 2012. I trust myself, not who I think the majority will vote for. If everyone used their own mind instead of blindly following the biggest dogs, Ron Paul would be President. It begins one mind at a time. Don't be popularity poll puppets. Obviously both major parties are fucking up the system.
riverlioness 1 year ago
@riverlioness yh vote for him like his last campaign when he raised millions then he did not run as president..i wonder where all the money went? he is a good guy a capitalist but im sure he will not let corporate greed run a muck howver he wants to hand all powers to them he is a bit illusioned by patriotic conservativism that can get him into trouble
timetochilli 1 year ago
@riverlioness
"I'm voting for Ron Paul in 2012. I trust myself, not who I think the majority will vote for. If everyone used their own mind instead of blindly following the biggest dogs, Ron Paul would be President. It begins one mind at a time. Don't be popularity poll puppets. Obviously both major parties are fucking up the system"
Exactly, if only more people could realize this & stop this bipartisan BS that's destroying America from both sides; people should vote for IDEAS, NOT parties
lomocan 1 year ago
How can people blame Freedom to get Freedom? It doesnt work. Capitalism means "You own your shit!" take that away and tell me what you have left?. I see people are blaming the money not the power... "shakes head" The money rulers earned that money and we didnt stop them whether they comitted crimes or not. People, your not getting your assests back, no matter what new systems ensues, sorry.
Supafreak666 1 year ago
@Supafreak666 the point is sum people have nothing because some people e.g. banks corporations steel it off them by stealing their future by buying off congress getting bailed out..firing workers..mistreating people..starting wars...denying people healthcare..denying people a future...causing everyone to be in debt..not paying taxes properly..looking down upon the poor..brainwashing idiots like u who still think a social government will take away ur stuff whats ur is urs if its not stolen sumhow
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Supafreak666 1 year ago
Ron Paul is 100% correct. We can take over the government again. Kick out the Keyensians, Socialists, and Marxists in government. ie... EVERY LAST DEMOCRAT. Then turn our attention to the Republicans. If they do not go back to their fiscally Conservative roots (MCCAIN) then out on your asses you go to. At this point the Democratic party is obsolete. The 2 parties in this country should be Libertarians and Conservatives
guitarsuperman69 1 year ago 2
it would be cool in the future there was a new kind of government that was better then like all of them
420swisha420 1 year ago
@420swisha420 pretty low bar
timetochilli 1 year ago
Due to no action being taken in regulating Wall Street the USA and capitalism is now on countdown to doomsday. This isn't going to be pretty when the banks fail again and this time can't be bailed out. In this very serious sense the US government (both sides of politics are responsible) not for the first time has steered the ship straight for the giant iceberg. It is now only a matter of time.
Spentastic 1 year ago
Capitalism is flawed.
Greed based, the richest get to make the rules and the rules become as they are.
It is inevitable, wether a dictator takes power or the inevitable richest few, it makes no difference.
You end up with an undemocratic fascist system.
demammoet 1 year ago
@demammoet
How many corporations are involved in the military industrial complex? Does Johnson & Johnson make nuclear warheads? No. They make diapers and diaper rash ointment among other products your family has probably used!
I don't know about you, but I would choose Bill Gates over a dictator any day. Maybe it's because Bill Gates hasn't murdered anyone!
Mao sticking me in a labor camp and hooking shock devices to my head sounds much worse than corporate wealth! Maybe it's me.
riverlioness 1 year ago
capitalism=greed greed = poverty, wars, dieseas, depressions etc
timetochilli 1 year ago
@timetochilli
If that's how you feel, join a commune. Play bongo drums. I have nothing against people who live out their simple life in the woods---it's when people advocate for the whole country to do so. I like my technology. I like my luxuries. I live in a country that provides cell phone and internet service to everyone through the benefits of capitalism. Nobody's stopping you from living in the woods and hunting deer. Save your money, disconnect the internet. Buy a plot of land
riverlioness 1 year ago 2
@riverlioness u are officially the most stupid moron i have had message me. nobody is against technology and shit. it's purely about the distribution of wealth which is unfair. nobody plays bongos ur confusing us with new age freaks. furthermore fuck ur luxuries i love my luxuries 2 but i hate it when i remember that people die from starvation and are left in the street. u must love being screwed by the establishments and kept quite by cellphones. ur a world class moron!!
timetochilli 1 year ago
@timetochilli "it's purely about the distribution of wealth which is unfair"
and who are you to tell who deserves what? thats the flaw of the communist system. If someone gives you the power to administrate all the money in the system and to decide what to give and to whom you will probably end up stealing a lot the money along with your government and your newly formed political elite... then you create a system with no higher authority than yours and you concentrate all the power...
Sexisttroll 1 year ago
then if you make a mistake or if people criticize you for something to whom are they going to ask for help? there is no human society in this planet, that doesn't run on greed, but the difference is that in communism you concentrate the power and only a few can enjoy, you make a two class society (politicians and peasants) out of a three class one (high, middle, and low class), and even worse the peasants are all equally poor while the politicians are the ones with the wealth...
Sexisttroll 1 year ago
Do you think everyone in the soviet union had a dacha? do you think everyone there drove nice cars or moved in limousines? no just the politicians... but in a capitalist society depends on not how MUCH you work but on how SMART you work? for example people complain about how easily life is for some rich guy because he bought stocks and thats how he became rich, but if thats so why don't they get up they're asses and start studying and learn about the stock market so they can do the same?
Sexisttroll 1 year ago
Besides working hard doesn't mean you use power tools or chop wood. My dad gets to work an hour earlier than his employees and leaves two ours after them. he then takes his work home and spend five more hours working, and all of this on his computer. does this means he doesn't work hard just because he owns his own business? now what would happen in a socialist system huh? they would take my dads money and make him earn the same as his employees even though he works twice as hard.
Sexisttroll 1 year ago
If you want to work hard and earn your money thats completely fine... but don't try to steal my money from you benefits and the ones of the government aka "the so called people"... fuck communism...
Sexisttroll 1 year ago
@Sexisttroll
Very nice thoughts, I hope at least one or two people will see the sense in them & realize how free markets are the best economic model to raise people out of poverty; it's not perfect but still the best one out there because it puts individual liberty ahead of everything else which leads to social & economic freedoms for EVERYONE.
lomocan 1 year ago
This humble, soft spoken man is spot on.
jscottupton 1 year ago 2
How can it be the end of something we never had?
MyITRcom 1 year ago
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"How can it be the end of something we never had?"
Extremely valid point.
lomocan 1 year ago
I don't think the crash of 1929 was that predictable but we could foresee this better today
DracoMalfoy87 1 year ago
fuck your capitalism!!!!!!!!!!
sebidelpi 1 year ago
Death to capitalism!
Long live commounism!
TheRascolnicof 1 year ago
seek to create a collective of one out of each person in society
timbosforporn 1 year ago
Paul is deluded by his Austrian School indoctrination. He talks about the Fed as if it has nothing do with Capitalism. Listen up Congressman! The bailouts and all the moneys given to banks, insurance companies and wall street firms are a way to buttress Capitalism not instill socialism. The socialism argument is a phony one perpetuated by monetarists and right-wing idiots masquerading as Libertarians which is what Paul was before he sold out to the GOP.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@ToSeeThingsClear rofl you are totally clueless... federal reserve interest rates and promise of bailouts led to the wholesale failure of banks. govt fannie/freddie w/ special privileges caused the housing bubble. oil problem was caused by govt inflation oil price remained same in terms of gold & that had an effect on auto. govt caused the crisis not free market capitalism. libertarians simply want govt to put ppl in jail for fraud, aggression & theft.
sillynanny44 1 year ago 5
America and the western world is well and truly cooked by the way. Its all castles built on sand. All hail 'Globalization'.
Spentastic 1 year ago
Ron Paul is really delusional. It's not possible to have capitalism without stock market bubbles, the military-industrial complex, the 'revolving door' between Congress and the corporations, massive government handouts and subsidies for big-business and just a corruption of all politicians in general. They go together hand in glove because capitalism is just large scale legalised corruption.
HolyCows154 1 year ago
@HolyCows154 wrong. what you're describing is fascism.... free market capitalism is limited govt that puts fraud criminals in jail w/o govt managing businesses consumer rule & constitution protecting the individual... govt fannie/freddie w/ special privileges caused housing bubble govt interest rates and promise of bailouts caused wholesale collapse of banks
sillynanny44 1 year ago 5
@sillynanny44 Your just repeating the same deluded nonsense. Look, there is on the one hand your fanatsy capitalism of free markets, incorruptable politicians, and sound money, and then there is the reality, which is that rich people ALWAYS find ways to bend the system in their favour. Your perfect free market will never, ever last longer than it takes for the rich to buy off the system.
HolyCows154 1 year ago
@HolyCows154 govt being big is what attracts the lobbyists... we have that because people dont read the constitution and federal govt taking away states powers... this is why libertarians are not wasting time trying to influence the politicians directly instead libertarians like paul are educating their constituents. once libertarianism is popular, politicians would support it because they want the votes
sillynanny44 1 year ago 6
@sillynanny44 I like you sillynanny, but god damn, I mean really, you have swallowed every one of the corporate lies to the point where you are now a perfect little shock troop for goldman sachs & co. Corporations want all welfare and medicare gutted and privatised, that way the American people will be slaves reliant on them for the tiny scraps they throw them. They like increased power to states because they are smaller and even easier to corrupt. The constitution alone won't save you, sorry.
HolyCows154 1 year ago
@HolyCows154 medicare, social security, medicaid, amtrak, post office bankrupt. private road builders can reduce travel time from 45min - 10min, govt school obviously fails, etc ''little shock troop for goldman sachs & co.'' are u saying u want the govt to get more power and you think it wont help goldman sachs and you are demonizing libertarians? no corporations want to control powerful fed govt because it affects more ppl state are HARDER to corrupt because it is closer to constituents.
sillynanny44 1 year ago 6
@sillynanny44 no, corporations want to control powerful fed govt** i forgot to put the comma
sillynanny44 1 year ago 5
@sillynanny44 The point about moving power closer to the people is just brilliant, I endorse it myself. But state legislatures are not that close to people really. Why don't you push that idea to it's proper logical conclusion and institute worker self-management, local community control of schools, hospitals etc. Instead you want to shrink back the state by giving all the services out to corporations which people don't control - new McDonald's school, repeat after me kids! 'i'm lovin it!'...
HolyCows154 1 year ago
@HolyCows154 the closer the power is to the individual the closer it is to the ideal system... powering moving to the states would be a good transition period... mcdonalds school? do you even know what capitalism is? mcdonalds school is silly but i guess ill have to explain that too private school beats public schools, it would not be in the interest of priv schools to talk about mcdonald. in capitalism corporations are incentivized to serve the consumer..
sillynanny44 1 year ago 6
@sillynanny44 Incentivized to serve which consumer? The one with lots of money or the vast majority of people in America who struggle as it is under the current system. Believe me MdDonalds school is a fantastic corporate enterprise, put one in a poor area and you can train up all your own burger flippers so they want and are incapable of anything else. They have no choice, they are poor. Your system provides excellent services, but only for a small, favoured minority.
HolyCows154 1 year ago
@HolyCows154 we have 22% unemployment/underemployment that is caused by govt stealing capital from the private sector. current system is a statist system. i said in capitalism they're incentivized to serve the consumer. mcdonalds school argument doesnt work because in capitalism mcdonalds school wouldnt exist because it would be innefficient. capitalism provide excellent services for the most people possible. continue..
sillynanny44 1 year ago 5
@HolyCows154 continue... to say that capitalism serves small minority is totally ignoring logic... priv sector wont earn a profit if they dont set price that a lot of people would accept... oh and govt inflation is why the dollar is so weak/high prices... even though we have govt inflation, some prices still go down due to competition (tv, computer, cellphones, contact lenses, plastic surgery, lasik eye surgery, etc)
sillynanny44 1 year ago 6
@sillynanny44 some prices still go down even w/ inflation because they have competition (characteristic of free market capitalism)* as for other products where prices go up that is due to govt eliminating competition, govt inflation, govt bureaucracies, govt mandating HMO, taxes etc
sillynanny44 1 year ago 7
@sillynanny44 The top 1% pay 28% of tax, the top 20% contribute 82% of tax. If you remove medicare, medicaid, schools, welfare, and pensions away from government and make people buy them individually, it would be the largest redistibution of wealth from the poor to rich in all of human history. The bottom 90% have had stagnant wage growth for decades now. The bottom half will be turned into impovershed serfs. Unemployment will always exist under capitalism, reserve labor means cheap labor.
HolyCows154 1 year ago
@HolyCows154 28 + 82, 110% tax? if all those things go to the private sector the corporations would actually compete instead of using govt to eliminate competition and keep prices up... do you not understand that im explaining to you causation? while you are JUST making claims? like that stagnant wage growth thing i just explained to you its caused by inflation & lack of competition.
sillynanny44 1 year ago 5
@sillynanny44 The top 1% are included in the top 20%, this is obvious. Secondly, the claims on tax come from the Tax Policy Centre and Heritage Foundation. Not claims, facts. Stagnant wage growth started in 1980 and took place because of the wholesale demolition of the unions and massive reductions in taxes on the rich introduced by Ronald Reagan. What I am saying is based on observed truth derived from all over the world where free market systems like your describing have been brought in.
HolyCows154 1 year ago
@HolyCows154 right never mind that 110% tax thing i didnt read right. taxing the top 20% is stealing capital from job creators. capitalism is not about magnitude, it is an intransigent principle. i know that specific point uve said is a fact im just telling you the cause, did reagan get rid of inflation and big govt?? in a free capitalist system you can have unions you're just not suppose to use the govt for special benefits.
sillynanny44 1 year ago 5
@HolyCows154 ''based on observed truth, free market systems like mine have been brought in'' totally baseless read my reply about reagan because that nonsense certainly doesnt constitute anything substantial to prove that we ever had an ideal free market system.
sillynanny44 1 year ago 5
@sillynanny44 This is a no true scotsman fallacy. The fact is, even if your perfect free market has never existed (it can't as i've already explained), countries which have moved closer to a total free market have all experienced rises in poverty, massive wealth gaps, and the outsourcing of industry and jobs (the opposite of job creation). This is true in America, Britain, Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Indonesia and a dozen other countries around the world.
HolyCows154 1 year ago
@HolyCows154 If a corporation could make people work for ten cents an hour then they would. It is in all employers interests to pay as little as they can get away with. If there is no government to regulate them, and if people are reduced to competing like crazy for jobs, then wages will remain static, or they will get lower and lower. The only reason people don't work for ten cents an hour in America is because people before you fought like crazy for worker rights, the eight hour day etc.
HolyCows154 1 year ago
@HolyCows154 They don't have to collude with eachother to make this happen, the free market mechanism does all the work for them. This is why graduates are now having to fight eachother to now work for FREE for corporations as interns.
HolyCows154 1 year ago
@HolyCows154 uh they DO have to collude w/ each other to get rid of useful employees... tell me what is the incentive for a company to get rid of useful employees tell me what free market mechanism.. are you saying that companies magically know that other companies will get rid of workers? so they go along and get rid of their own? a company would go out of business if they try that nonsense...
sillynanny44 1 year ago 6
@sillynanny44 Were talking over eachother and out of sync now. What you say about valued employees is true. This is why CEO's get 3-500 times the salary of a normal worker. The vast majority of workers are not unique, or invaluable to the corporations they work for. They are replacable because there is always a pool of labor which they can draw from. Again your agument works for the elite only, it is shown to be largely false by the lack of wage increases for workers over thirty years.
HolyCows154 1 year ago