Suhr Riot distortion and Cmatmods Brownie distortion

[hellboundTX333]

Cool demo. Brownie sounds like a hot rod plexi, and the Riot sounds like a hot rod 800!

[dzi753]

suhr wins..........

[Jawbreaker1000]

This may sound like a stupid question, I haven't had much experience with pedals, but what would happen if you had two distortion pedals on at one time?

[koliok]

@Jawbreaker1000

Hi I am playing with two pedals very often, but not with those two. They are both high gain pedals, the result will be no definition and way too much noise and gain. You can use two drive pedals, but the first needs to be booster type (like Xotic BB for example)

Cheers!!

[Jawbreaker1000]

@koliok yeah, that's pretty much what i thought.  lol. Can all that gain and noise hurt your amp though?

[koliok]

@Jawbreaker1000

Not at all!!

Cheers!!

[xntrickk]

killer playing, you can give GMD and PGS a run for their money..the Riot just cuts in this demo very nicely...

[frans688]

to my ears the riot is more "glassy" ,but i wish both

[CarvinSucks]

Which would you recommend to be used through a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe with a Strat and likely a Dimarzio Tone Zone in the bridge? Maybe a PAF Pro, hell maybe it wont even be one of those ha. The Riot sounded brighter here but the Strat and Hot Rod Deluxe are brighter sounding (likely), would that open up the brownie a bit more? I really like what you got out of the riot here!

[fakeemailbox]

I really wish more people who comment on videos like these would realize that most pedals need to be heard at gig volumes to truly be appreciated....either way GREAT demos and f**king killer playing too! Please keep 'em coming!

[sasavid]

what a sound...bravo :)) great man!

[koliok]

Thanks for your review!

I really disagree with you on many things you write, but of course, you have your opinion, I have mine :-) When it comes to matters of taste, people have very different opinions.

Cheers!!

[FusionWannabe]

@koliok

Thanks for the review man!I have a 1976 Fender Bassman which is a clean amp and i need a drive channel.Do you think Brownie could be it?is it possible to use it as a main drive channel and then add a tube screamer to push it over the edge for solo?Thanks for the answer!

[drh3006]

@koliok Wicked licks dude!!! I have two 50 cal +'s one combo and one blond head. Love your tones. You should post your eq & knob settings. Keep on rockin!!! Thanks, Derek

[phillyfrankb]

PART1: Couldnt decide based on videos, so I bought them both to try. Here's my experience using my equipment, ears and opinions: First the Brownie. Despite the "brown sound" marketing, there's a lot of overlap between the OCD 'overdrive' and Brownie 'distortion'. CON - Brownie isnt as transparent PRO - Brownie tone control is more consistent as you increase the gain. Like most distortions, it works ok with strats, but much nicer with humbuckers.

[phillyfrankb]

@phillyfrankb PART2: I was disappointed in the riot -a little noisey, switch is a little eh, and more saturation than I like from distortion. There's better, more versatile distortions to be had for less of my hard earned dollar - e.g. son of hyde, full drive, box of rock. Same with the brownie -better/cheaper overdrives are the OCD, and the dalelectro drive v1 (now called transparent drive v2. btw -neither sound like a cranked power starved marshall lead. both have a "pedal" kind of sound.

[fakeemailbox]

@phillyfrankb Whoa?! Lots of mix ups here! Son of hyde is a full on distortion, full drive is an overdrive(flatter eq'd screamer type), box of rock is a cranked jtm45 in a pedal and is $199 just like the Riot. ALL of these pedals are aimed at completely different sounds compared to each other and the Riot and Brownie. BTW dano pedal drive v1 is NOT called transparent drive. Dano has CTO and CO-2 which are two totally different pedals. Nice "opinions" though I suppose o_O

[phillyfrankb]

@fakeemailbox if you had all the pedals in front of you played through a clean amp (twin), the brownie, OCD(gain&tone cranked) and BoR are all pretty close. Brownie does not sound at all like brown sound in a box. ESPECIALLY not with single coils. I say the BoR is cheaper because you can easily craigs one up cheap. You wont find a Riot on craigs. As for pedals that are more modern voiced, the SoH & Riot, I'll take a $70 used SoH anyday. You can dial in more sounds. Riot has one basic sound.

[phillyfrankb]

So much easier to get better gain with humbuckers - wish there were more shootouts with single coil guitars. In my experience, some high gain pedals might have very subtle differences between them when used with the higher gain pickups like the LP used here. But when you try them with an S-type guitar the difference is HUGE - some just go straight to fuzz.

[tony18144]

Discovered you yesterday and I'm blown away by the breadth and depth of your playing. You cover a lot of ground very convincingly. I have Dolemite on continual play. I wanted to ask your opinion on the Riot vs Pinnacle. I'm debating purchasing one of the two. Playing strat, tele and paul through modded Lone Star Boogie (2x12) and the only pedal I'm currently using before the amp is the BB MD and I'd like a pedal to pick up where that leaves off. Thanks.

[Roiloretto]

The RIOT sounds like Lukather.

[x1cmb11]

so i was under the impression that you were standing at the beggining, then realized either that you could levitate, or that you were sitting....

[joelg125]

I ordered the brownie. He (Chad I assume) says something about a transistor swap. Is the brownie in ur vid stock or with the transistor swap?

[koliok]

@joelg125

Great, enjoy it!!! My is stock, the transistor swap gives more gain, which I don't need.

[Guitar8870]

@koliok I have an trans amp does it still sound good?

Looking for some kind of jcm 800 sound ...

[joelg125]

Would u say that the Super Signa "contains" the Brownie or is the Super more of an OD pedal?

[koliok]

@joelg125

Its definitely more OD pedal, it mixes clean and OD signal, like tubescreamer does, just with really good EQ and more options

[joelg125]

Riot $200 & Brownie $135 so which do I buy? I'm after early EVH sound and I can afford either one so which would you recommend? I currently have an OCD n luv it and I want add a 'badder' pedal for more versatility. Need opinions ... Thx.

[koliok]

@joelg125

Hi

You should definitely go after the Brownie if need EVH type sound. The Riot is great, but more modern and aggressive sounding. If you need more gain and EQ options, you can try also Wampler Pinnacle.

Cheers!!

[BlackAdderLXX]

@joelg125 - The Brownie is so great. If you're looking for early EVH you can't go wrong.

[BlackAdderLXX]

I bought a Brownie after watching this demo. The Riot seems great, but I like the more 'vintage' voice and warmth of the Brownie. I have had it for a few months now and totally love it.

[DANTHETUBEMAN]

pay atention,,,thats how you demo a pedal

thay are both good,,,great infact.

[zaulkin]

Awesome demos and great playing! I own the Riot and love it. Do you know of any pedals in this size that will work well with a soft sounding clean amp (e.g. Mesa Lonestar Classic) to provide a sort of Mesa Mark IV tone?

[johnny1e]

great demo thanks. went out and got the suhr riot based on this video no regrets excellent pedal....not quite got the levitation thing off yet though lol !

[someonewithguitar]

Nice demo. So, really, which one you like more for solos?

[koliok]

@someonewithguitar

Thanks, that depends a lot on the amp used, I tend to like the Brownie more on brighter sounding amps, the Riot is a bit more aggressive, so I like it better on softer sounding clean channels.

Cheers!!

[koliok]

@someonewithguitar

Thanks, that depends a lot on the amp used, I tend to like the Brownie more on brighter sounding amps, the Riot is a bit more aggressive, so I like it better on softer sounding clean channels.

Cheers!!

[agnvalves]

Like both pedals. Never heard the Suhr before. I like the darker Brownie and have just lashed out and got one ( GOOD VALUE FOR THE MONEY) I will try the Suhr in time. Guessing that the the Suhr may give a more defined postion in the mix" in a my gig situtations" ( less mid / bottom end freq,) But its all about matching the gear and mixing to the room your in????

Good Demo.

Plenty of good playing and not much yapping

[MrBucktone]

great demo! great playing!

[JesusHPresley]

These pedals both sound awesome. The Riot sounds more scooped and modern to my ears and the brownie darker more vintage and generally browner. I'm wondering which of these would suit a Strat and Fender amp combination. I'm thinking the Brownie as it's more mid rangy. What do you think.?

Nice playing btw.

[MONDOCHITARRA]

but the amp is dual caliber 50 plus???

[koliok]

@MONDOCHITARRA

Yes, its 50 plus :-)

[JesusHPresley]

@koliok What guitar are you using?

[JesusHPresley]

@koliok What guitar are you using? Gibson?

[JohnPerryMusic]

although at 2:17 on i like the Riot more... lol.

[JohnPerryMusic]

its close but i gotta give this one to the brownie.

[mattekelly]

Great demo, wish more ppl did their's like this. 

[nanostudio]

these pedals are fantastics !! I've got the both and I'am very happy too ;)

[Luke650]

The RIOT sounds better!!!!!!!!!

[FrozenSparky]

does the distortion pedal sound also depend on how good your amp is?

[koliok]

@FrozenSparky

Yes, of course :-)

[FrozenSparky]

@koliok shit , then i guess if i buy a great dist pedal it wont sound really good with my 100$ Cort MX30W amp?

[nxgenpedal]

Wow!!! Great video demo,,

Sound great both.... I like sound of Brownie...

[alexnismachin]

Hi Koliok , good idea compare those pedal together. I have both and I love both equal. The Riot has more punch and presence and the Brownie has more mid booster and the real "Brown Sound" Van Halen Sound. The Browniewas the winner Nº 1 in Van Halen Sound. If you like the early Van Halen tunes that`s is your Pedal. The Riot does not Sound like a pedal , it sounds like the durty channel of PT 100 or OD 100 SE+ Custom Audio Amplifier. I hope it could help someone to decide which one buy.

[eibiii]

The Brownie sounds better to me. Awesome playing!!

[stymye]

seems odd...can the mesa boogie not get these tones without a pedal?

[visiondanndotcom]

Both pedals are killer-sounding !! The player kicks ass too !!

Cheers K_K!

[sild123]

how's these compared to blackstar's high gain distortion pedal? like ht dual, dist or distx? i saw you reviewed dist? what's your thought on this?

[koliok]

@sild123

Hey

The HT-Dist (the one I have) gets more compressed than the Riot when the gain is maxed. I like it a lot, but use it mostly when I want to get metal like sound, and Riot (IMO) is more about classic rock stuff.

[sild123]

@koliok Thanks for the reply. your a very versatile player, have a great chops, and have a great sense of tone. sooo... can i add you as a friend? thanks man

[87Showmaster]

suhr riot for the win!

[Itammar1]

I think that for the high gain, Riot is better, it has something extra to it.

though the Brownie is handling the mid gain much better

great demo, love your playing

[koliok]

@Itammar1

Thanks a lot man, glad that you like it

[nylonsteel]

Both sound great,I have the brownie n love it.The Riot sure sound great too with a lot of gain n presence.Great demo :)

[koliok]

@nylonsteel

Thanks, I really like them both