Truth by popularity is a regression to the time of received truth and religion, rumor and superstition; by itself it is not a new phenomenon. It's only that the delivery system is faster and trending toward more homogenization.
Truth is definable by empirical evidence. It is backed up by experiment and repeatability. It is based upon our senses to a limited degree, but readily observable based upon human understanding and experience. We know what an orange looks like, and if someone tells you it's an apple, you know they are full of sh*t. So too with the scientific method. We know through carbon 14 dating that the fossils of dinosaurs existed millions of years ago.
I find this to not be the general case. People don't appeal to the majority, but to the demographic they identify with. It's like how when you ask a person what personality does his or her dog have, and they answer with a run down version of him or her. People try to imagine themselves in a single-dimension, and then associate their beliefs with that image. This is why speculation is such a powerful tactic if you control it in the stock market.
Jesus Christ is the way to God. All who believe Jesus died for their sins, was buried and rose again will have eternal life. Call upon the Lord Jesus Christ believe on Him and you will be saved.
"The idea of truth being social; truth is what large numbers of people collectively say it is." [WRONG & IMMORAL] "That has profound positive effects, it can also have very dangerous effects..." [OF COURSE IT WOULD, BUT THAT ITSELF IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE]
@faraz1729 Why do you think "Truth" is in quotation marks? Historically, the popular conception of what's true or good enough to be true have changed. He listed examples of historially popular epistemologies, and he's simply proposing that mass democracy may be the latest iteration of this phenomenon. You're being far too reactionary about this.
@faraz1729 He's saying that we as a society living in the information age have settled on what is popular as our interpretation of the truth. It has nothing to do with individuals' beliefs or the objective truth.
That's why he's saying this world view is potentially dangerous. Less popular perspectives could be drowned out.
When he talks about a redefinition of truth he's not really talking about a redefinition of truth, which makes what he says misleading. All truth is truth of what exists, that never changes. What changes is our standard of evidence of what is true. What he means to talk about is a re-calibration of socially accepted epistemic standards.
If there were more honesty, uncovering truth (reality) would be a whole lot easier. In with the freedom to express opinions (which is not truth) to large groups of people in the digital age one must bear in mind it only affects numbers, not human nature to believe whatever it imagines to be truth. That has always been.
I'm not hugely impressed with this speaker. There are many here far more articulate.
"Science's view of truth is whatever reproducible evidence confirms"
carries a lot more weight with me than what the majority think on this particular day.
Fortunately, the number of people who understand that is growing. Eventually the truth of the former will be accepted by the majority of the latter, and finally both will be right.
Not very persuasive. It seems like digital technology affects our perceptions of truth but I don't see how it changes our definition of truth. His examples don't show that either.
@TemporalOnline The objective truth (the one independant of our senses) is pretty much inacessible to us. Not to mention all the meanings we create. A painting is objectively just some energy and matter. But some would claim it is truly beautiful. So, yes, even if we dont like it, the truth is what we as a society agree on. Then there is also the sphere of debate (stuff we argue about as a society, think abortion, death penalty), and also the deviation (stuff we all agree is abnormal)
@doutonight I am not talking about people when using the best of the knowledge (IE:repeatable experiments with reliable results that shape a shadow of the "true truth"), but people that believe in whatever they feel like, even with all the evidence pointing against - that's what is happening today.
That is what I'm attacking. If you are trying to compare and put both in the same level, I strongly disagree with you. But if you are just pointing out that our best is still a shadow, then I agree.
Actually a fact can be true or false. A fact is just a claim that can be tested to obtain a definitive result (true or false). If its testable, its a fact whether it's true or false.
First Piratebay was eaten alive by enterprising idiots, now companies like Microsoft and Symantec lease their products instead of actually selling them.
So in other words criticism is impossible.
Wikileaks was targeted by the United States government, thus freedom of speech, freedom of press and criticism to the American government is impossible.
Corrupt totalitarian monopolized control with a twist of monopolized internet.
@99minerkc Actually, what the scientific method does spell out is how to gather evidence and then formulate theories to better explain observations, not uncover the truth, although it can be argued that the scientific method is a way of _approaching_ the truth in areas that are open to scientific probing. Anyone who says that science has uncovered "the truth" is a clown. All science can do is produce theories; some theories have a better value when it comes to explaining observations.
@claytongault I use the scientific method as a starting point, a foundation! Once the evidence is in I examine it before making a final decision, but I keep an open mind after that as new evidence may come in and I may change my view on whatever it is that's being examined! I agree, the scientific method in no way uncovered the truth, what it has done though is debunk a lot of things that was once credited to a god such as weather events!
@DyrconaBob "If you're like most people, you won't let the facts interfere with your truth."
Lets explore your statement for a moment. You say that most people will not allow the facts to effect the truth. Lets say the truth is you do not exist then I should not let the fact that you made a comment here effect my truth. So is it true that you do not exist even when the facts show you cleary do??
'Standards for what is true' is a good formula for all that preceded this part of his speech. The media for which he works is a good thermometer for generating a standard for 'fact' and/or 'true'. But 'truth' is - yet once more - misrepresented here. Using 'truth' is perhaps the most unreliable form of rhetoric for otherwise meaning 'having sufficient facts' or 'believing a thing to be so'. The latter speaks to his news anchor example. ~Cliff
Bull.... truth is that we see a shift from the old era, in which the oppinion of the elites dominated public discourse and thus shaped public oppinion, to a new era, in which the dominance of the oppinion of the elites diminishes and fades away.
Truth is still truth. But the it gets harder for the elites to dictate their oppinion to be believed as if it where the truth. Now, they must convince, in words AND in deeds.
He looks like Jake Gyllenhall.
nicku21negi 8 months ago
"The truth is what a large number of people collectively say it is..."
I think he mean to say, "the truth is what the wikipedia admins say it is..."
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shukshuk 1 year ago
Truth by popularity is a regression to the time of received truth and religion, rumor and superstition; by itself it is not a new phenomenon. It's only that the delivery system is faster and trending toward more homogenization.
theblue92 1 year ago
Truth is definable by empirical evidence. It is backed up by experiment and repeatability. It is based upon our senses to a limited degree, but readily observable based upon human understanding and experience. We know what an orange looks like, and if someone tells you it's an apple, you know they are full of sh*t. So too with the scientific method. We know through carbon 14 dating that the fossils of dinosaurs existed millions of years ago.
romeoechomike369 1 year ago
I find this to not be the general case. People don't appeal to the majority, but to the demographic they identify with. It's like how when you ask a person what personality does his or her dog have, and they answer with a run down version of him or her. People try to imagine themselves in a single-dimension, and then associate their beliefs with that image. This is why speculation is such a powerful tactic if you control it in the stock market.
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I would rather get information from Wikipedia than from CNN anytime
ZorrisPorris 1 year ago
reporter cannot handle the TRUTH, journalist seek/look for the truth!!!
frvfilms 1 year ago
"The idea of truth being social; truth is what large numbers of people collectively say it is." [WRONG & IMMORAL] "That has profound positive effects, it can also have very dangerous effects..." [OF COURSE IT WOULD, BUT THAT ITSELF IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE]
TRUTH IS NOT A SUBJECTIVE MATTER
TRUTH IS OBJECTIVE
PLEASE DON'T BE FOOLED BY THIS
Adam67890 1 year ago 2
@Adam67890 He's not saying it's right, just that it's what's popular. Relax.
Sardonac 1 year ago
@Sardonac
No he's not. He's calling what's popular the truth. Thus, he is a gigantic idiot.
faraz1729 1 year ago 2
@faraz1729 Why do you think "Truth" is in quotation marks? Historically, the popular conception of what's true or good enough to be true have changed. He listed examples of historially popular epistemologies, and he's simply proposing that mass democracy may be the latest iteration of this phenomenon. You're being far too reactionary about this.
Sardonac 1 year ago
@faraz1729 He's saying that we as a society living in the information age have settled on what is popular as our interpretation of the truth. It has nothing to do with individuals' beliefs or the objective truth.
That's why he's saying this world view is potentially dangerous. Less popular perspectives could be drowned out.
TheElephantOpera 1 year ago
@faraz1729 =]
Adam67890 1 year ago
When he talks about a redefinition of truth he's not really talking about a redefinition of truth, which makes what he says misleading. All truth is truth of what exists, that never changes. What changes is our standard of evidence of what is true. What he means to talk about is a re-calibration of socially accepted epistemic standards.
samreznek 1 year ago 3
Truth is a very individual thing. Everyone finds there own truth. Individuality is priceless!!!
stianbirkholz 1 year ago
@ratsnacage1
Ok.... and that refutes my point, how? Seriously, look up the definition of fact.
drche420 1 year ago
"text in who you think did it"
the person that came up with that idea should be jailed.
eyallev 1 year ago
So Mr. Giridharadas believes Jesus was the son of God (2.2 billion Christians) but very close to not being the son of God (1.6 billion Muslims).
And even more comically, if enough people started saying the sun is made of peanut butter, that would be the truth.
How did this dolt get a microphone?
faraz1729 1 year ago
@faraz1729 I missed the part where he talked about peanut butter.
TheInflicted 1 year ago
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"I missed the part where he talked about peanut butter."
You also missed my point.
faraz1729 1 year ago
Complete and utter nonsense.
claytongault 1 year ago
If there were more honesty, uncovering truth (reality) would be a whole lot easier. In with the freedom to express opinions (which is not truth) to large groups of people in the digital age one must bear in mind it only affects numbers, not human nature to believe whatever it imagines to be truth. That has always been.
I'm not hugely impressed with this speaker. There are many here far more articulate.
Loreleila 1 year ago
"Science's view of truth is whatever reproducible evidence confirms"
carries a lot more weight with me than what the majority think on this particular day.
Fortunately, the number of people who understand that is growing. Eventually the truth of the former will be accepted by the majority of the latter, and finally both will be right.
neoaeonian 1 year ago
@neoaeonian
well said.. i agree.
Inessarina 1 year ago
Among creatures born into chaos,
a majority will imagine an order,
a minority will question the order,
and the rest will be pronounced insane. ~Robert Brault
MilitantPeaceist 1 year ago
hahahahahaha, "truth is social" hahaha
bladedaemon666 1 year ago
Not very persuasive. It seems like digital technology affects our perceptions of truth but I don't see how it changes our definition of truth. His examples don't show that either.
redshiftexperiment 1 year ago
Total Bullshit!
aido92 1 year ago
What? The truth is what the most people "believe in"? That is the most "untruth" thing I can think of...
TemporalOnline 1 year ago 12
@TemporalOnline The objective truth (the one independant of our senses) is pretty much inacessible to us. Not to mention all the meanings we create. A painting is objectively just some energy and matter. But some would claim it is truly beautiful. So, yes, even if we dont like it, the truth is what we as a society agree on. Then there is also the sphere of debate (stuff we argue about as a society, think abortion, death penalty), and also the deviation (stuff we all agree is abnormal)
doutonight 1 year ago
@doutonight I am not talking about people when using the best of the knowledge (IE:repeatable experiments with reliable results that shape a shadow of the "true truth"), but people that believe in whatever they feel like, even with all the evidence pointing against - that's what is happening today.
That is what I'm attacking. If you are trying to compare and put both in the same level, I strongly disagree with you. But if you are just pointing out that our best is still a shadow, then I agree.
TemporalOnline 1 year ago
@TemporalOnline word. Interesting stuff to though.
UnrealGeeMan 1 year ago
Worthless.
Why are the audience even polite enough to stay in their seats?
polymath7 1 year ago 2
I knew before even clicking the Play button that this video was going to be postmodern, wishy-washy relativist bullshit.
elsquibbs 1 year ago 3
@elsquibbs Ah-ha, yeah, that was a tough call.
polymath7 1 year ago
The truth is that most people commenting on this clip, are trolls.
ogrish84 1 year ago
If it's on YouTube and it's in Colour then it's true.
DaithiDublin 1 year ago
truth is What the court believes when you get a Not guilty
and he is talking shit
000whiterabbit 1 year ago
@ratsnacage1
Actually a fact can be true or false. A fact is just a claim that can be tested to obtain a definitive result (true or false). If its testable, its a fact whether it's true or false.
drche420 1 year ago
The Truth is there is no Truth. Mystified? Can't compute?
I say forget about everything you heard. You won't last that long.
You might as well transform.
EntinludeX 1 year ago
Great topic. Poor speaker.
SSTMM 1 year ago
Pseudo-intellectual...
26C8 1 year ago 12
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plking1 1 year ago
What the hell is he talking about.
Saktoth 1 year ago
American authorities controls truth.
First Piratebay was eaten alive by enterprising idiots, now companies like Microsoft and Symantec lease their products instead of actually selling them.
So in other words criticism is impossible.
Wikileaks was targeted by the United States government, thus freedom of speech, freedom of press and criticism to the American government is impossible.
Corrupt totalitarian monopolized control with a twist of monopolized internet.
Ulrna 1 year ago
Everything you ever find on /b/ is the truth.
Phelan666 1 year ago 2
lol what an idiot
WavesOfTrolls 1 year ago
True is SCIENCE!! The scientific method WORKS in it's accuracy in finding what's true and what's not!
99minerkc 1 year ago 3
@99minerkc Actually, what the scientific method does spell out is how to gather evidence and then formulate theories to better explain observations, not uncover the truth, although it can be argued that the scientific method is a way of _approaching_ the truth in areas that are open to scientific probing. Anyone who says that science has uncovered "the truth" is a clown. All science can do is produce theories; some theories have a better value when it comes to explaining observations.
claytongault 1 year ago
@claytongault I use the scientific method as a starting point, a foundation! Once the evidence is in I examine it before making a final decision, but I keep an open mind after that as new evidence may come in and I may change my view on whatever it is that's being examined! I agree, the scientific method in no way uncovered the truth, what it has done though is debunk a lot of things that was once credited to a god such as weather events!
99minerkc 1 year ago
If you're like most people, you won't let the facts interfere with your truth.
DyrconaBob 1 year ago
@DyrconaBob The facts reveal truth!
99minerkc 1 year ago
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@DyrconaBob "If you're like most people, you won't let the facts interfere with your truth."
Lets explore your statement for a moment. You say that most people will not allow the facts to effect the truth. Lets say the truth is you do not exist then I should not let the fact that you made a comment here effect my truth. So is it true that you do not exist even when the facts show you cleary do??
Tzimnewman3 1 year ago
'Standards for what is true' is a good formula for all that preceded this part of his speech. The media for which he works is a good thermometer for generating a standard for 'fact' and/or 'true'. But 'truth' is - yet once more - misrepresented here. Using 'truth' is perhaps the most unreliable form of rhetoric for otherwise meaning 'having sufficient facts' or 'believing a thing to be so'. The latter speaks to his news anchor example. ~Cliff
cliffandy 1 year ago
Bull.... truth is that we see a shift from the old era, in which the oppinion of the elites dominated public discourse and thus shaped public oppinion, to a new era, in which the dominance of the oppinion of the elites diminishes and fades away.
Truth is still truth. But the it gets harder for the elites to dictate their oppinion to be believed as if it where the truth. Now, they must convince, in words AND in deeds.
13otany13ay 1 year ago