Altar-ation

[AVATAR1aire2agua]

Que hermosooooo!!!!!!

[Francois2028]

Boy I really love those guys. On a scale of 10, I give to those guys a 12 . God bless those humble guys. Deus lo vult ! 

[Silverdaddy101]

I switched over from Roman Catholic to Byzantine Catholic. If I wanted to be a Protestant, I'd join a Protestant Church, which is what so much of the Catholic Liturgy and music is nowadays. UGH!  Alot of the clergy in the Roman Church is so narcissistic, it's sickening. I'll stick with the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom or St. Basil.

You can't go wrong with either of those two.

[massimobattaglio1]

dégoutable



[arends99]

At least I'd like to appreciate them for their effort of preserving the TLM. ...... Proficiat.

[arends99]

At least I'd like to appreciate them for their effort of preserving the TLM. Proficiat.

[Glennishking]

Excellent. I wish every ugly altar could be so transformed.

[95andropov]

the Vatican II never removed the TLM, but it was the cardinals and bishops of Post-Vat II who wanted to remove the TLM forever...

[spartacus6839]

Well done... You good and faithfull servants.

[catholics4unity]

At last the sense of the Sacred is being restored. If you study the original Vatican II documents, we were not supposed to lose, Our Latin Language, Gregorian Chant or our Catholic Sanctuaries. We were LIED to by our bishops and Liturgists. Thank God Pope Benedict XVI is reforming the reform. We are NOT going backwards,as others are claiming.T he Holy Father is correcting the MISTAKES perpetuated by the errant clergy and laity.

[yellowballpoets]

@catholics4unity AMEN! thank God that Pope Benedict is making everything clear

[catholics4unity]

At last the sense of the Sacred is being restored. If you study the original Vatican II documents, we were not supposed to lose, Our Latin Language, Gregorian Chant or our Catholic Sanctuaries. We were LIED to by our bishops and Liturgists. Thank God Pope Benedict XVI is reforming the reform. We are NOT going backwards,as others are claiming.T he Holy Father is correcting the MISTAKES perpetuated by the errant clergy and laity.

[onegodwitness]

Wow! This is a beautiful video! Thanks for sharing it!

[BrotherAlphonsusMary]

Wow, In all my experience with radical catholic traditionalism I am still taken aback at the unjustified hatred and venom that is directed at Vatican II. It baffles me as to why it cannot be fathomed that it is not the Council itself that is the problem. One treads on dangerous ground when they question the validity of VII as a whole.

[12boys5girls]

The spirit of Vatican II is the spirit of satan. Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon, for the love of Jesus and in union with his Most Sacred heart and for the love of us poor sinners. Amen.

[seanynut]

@12boys5girls it wasnt spirit of satan because i doubt the council intended for such sacriliges in the novus ordo as there are but the council were somewhat misguided

[TenderTrap86]

The saddest thing about this is that it was so easily done and priests, who in "the spirit of Vatican II", still refuse to make the altars upon which the Holy Sacrifice is offered more acceptable to the Mystery of the Body and Blood.

[dancingwithfrogs]

Währenddessen werden die Ministranten in der Sakristei durchgefickt...

[dancingwithfrogs]

...in nomine patris et filii et spiriti sancti, amen :-)

[newfan7]

@dancingwithfrogs: Viel Spaß beim Lutschen. - Hehe!

[dancingwithfrogs]

@newfan7 Danke

[padrecassiomarinho]

"La Bellezza salverà il mondo".

[padrecassiomarinho]

"La Bellezza salverà il mondo".

[AnotherAppleMacbook]

We need to do this in every church!

[coldlittle]

Tres Bien ! ! !

[JANELLA911]

sana ganito po ang altar sa ating mga simbahan!!

[seanynut]

With Vatican II a great deal of beutiful architecture was killed off , it'd be nice if all altars were permitted to change like this!

[kensingtonpalace]

that is just too cool how they did that! love it

[apologeniuss]

W La Tradizione!!......

[armentieres59280]

PER DIO LA PATRIA E IL RE

[KOF89]

Novus Ordo Churches looks like masonic lodges or protestant churches. Beuty is in Old Rite no matter Tridential or Byzantine(Greek-Catholic) But it is look nice all time.

[ToleDragoon]

Beautiful :)

[checkthisout732]

wow!! Beautiful indeed! I wish my parish church had a high altar.

[TenderTrap86]

-wow!! Beautiful indeed! I wish my parish church had a high altar-

Looking at this video, it's only a few altar-ations away!

[av3rRageGameName]

I too believe that high altars are THE PROPER WAY OF CELEBRATING THE MASS! there is no reason at all that a priest should be facing the crowd, showing his back to god in the tabernacle. also another thing that should be returned is where the priest and deacon sit; it is traditional custom that the priests chair be place at the side of the alter not in front, nor even on the right or left but to the side, because the tabernacle is the throne of christ and only he alone can sit in the middle!

[oakking1]

the priest had his back to the people because all of the churches and altars faced east, the rising sun, resurrection etc. it was not because he was facing the tabernacle. the idea was that all the people were facing east and praying to god. one should really learn the true history.

[av3rRageGameName]

But still, he priest should ALWAYS face the tabernacle. this tradition should have NEVER changed!.

[dacatholicbandorgan]

It never was, but many clergy took Vatican II into their own hands and look what happend.

[av3rRageGameName]

@dacatholicbandorgan Satan played the bishops at Vatican II like a chess board. We need to pray more and be more vigilant! PAX!

[dacatholicbandorgan]

They did not play the Bishops at Vatican II, but the Bishops and Priests after Vatican II and very quickly mind you. We need to pray the Rosary Daily for them.

[av3rRageGameName]

@dacatholicbandorgan Trust me, all these clergyman would not cause all this calamity, unless Satan be with them. Satan listened with careful ears, and he manipulated the bishops in this council.

[dacatholicbandorgan]

True.

[Floesser1970]

Vatican II is the result of the fact that the Roman Catholic Church lost her validity and cannot even be considered a Christian Church anymore, thanks to Dignitatis Humanae and Nostra Aetate. Salvation can be found just through Jesus! Of course that also means that most of their priests are no longer priests, because they messed up the ordination rite too.

[BrainScanMedia]

Beautiful...

[admin1728]

There are alot of modernist altars/churches in this country that could use an extreme makeover like this one.

[manga12]

our church has the old high altar and we refurbished it with new paint when we rennovated the church, but they might have taken the marble off the table top I dont know if they did or not, it could have been wood all along for all I know, they used to use a cloth over it for years, now they just got lazy and never put it back on when they washed it. I know one of the origanal altars top is cut up and lined on the inside of the altar, father says we could not do a old rite, but I disagree.

[EvilSchizoGenius]

I love pre-Vatican II Altars but the Sagrary could fall down this way!

[hurricaneomega]

I hope pope benedict lives to be 110, that way, he can better exicute the reform of the reform. I'm perticularly ashamed of modern achatecture. I want more churches that look like churches instead of warehouses or spaceships.

[papsttreu]

or supermarkets

[iotaunam1]

Unfortunately nowadays, this describes most Catholic Churches. Lets hope they return to Tradition, and reject Modernism in Doctrines, Liturgy and Architecture.

[dacatholicbandorgan]

Well it really is on a Church by Church basis.

[iotaunam1]

Even in the Churches which remain Traditional (not for the lack of trying to modernise them) it is sad to see the removal of the High Altar, or if it remains, it is ignored and a Table is set in front of it. Very disprespectful!

[dacatholicbandorgan]

True. When I saw the opera Madame Butterfly, it was in the Parish hall of the church built for Italians, thanks be to God it was mostly preserved (except for the Pro Poupolu altar and removed communion rail). In theroy, if they moved the new altar at least 5 ft, a Tridentine could be celebrated.

[SempirVeritas]

I understand the desire for a majestic altar, and applaud pursuing one, but can not proper masses be done over tree stumps in the outback?

[iotaunam1]

In cases of dire necessity, a Mass can be said on a "make-shift" altar, providing it is prepared fittingly. Even the older "makeshift" altars used on battlegrounds etc, had an altar stone and contained the relics of saints, just like all high altars.

Anyway, the high altar has been replaced by a free-standing "table altar" in most churches, which presents problems, e.g. the direction it faces, the location of the tabernacle etc.

[iotaunam1]

Also, in the Old Testament, God commanded the temple to be built ornately. In the early Church, the faithful were persecuted and could not build ornate Churches in which to say Mass.

However, when the Church was no longer being persecuted, it restored the use of gold etc unto its proper use- the glory of God. Thus, given the presence of God Himself on the altar, it stands to reason that it should be even more glorifying, than those used in the Old Law.

[iotaunam1]

Many modernists, under the guise of restoring older traditions, say that Churches should be less ornate, and that the use of marble and guild should give way to wood etc. The error of this proposal is apparent, if we were to follow their advise we would end up in the catachombs, or in drab ungoldly protestant worship halls.

We can give God our best, and since it is God Himself on the altar, he deserves our very best. St Francis had not a shoe on his foot, yet spared no expense at the altar.

[Samurai8989]

Surely you can understand the difference between what is done in dire necessity versus the ideal? Technically, you *can* raise a family living in a back alley ... or you can do it in a proper home in a secure neighborhood. Which of these options is superior ... or does it even matter?

I don't really understand your logic here, pal ...

[dacatholicbandorgan]

It says in cannon law and in some other Paal document that Mass can be only celebrated outside of a "sacred space" (namely a catholic church) only in necessity and with your Bishops permission.

[briu93]

Cathedral in L.A. if im not mistaken lol

[SisterAllie35]

What song is this that is playing in the background? I would love to get this. It's beautiful.

Great video! Viva trad Catholicism!

[MMan1964]

I prefer the SSPX to the FSSP primarily due to their stance against the novelties of Vatican II and the dangers of the new mass (1969 missal).

But the old Liturgy is what unites the priests of both societies.

The Pope has lifted the excommunication of the Leferbvrist bishops. If the FSSP and SSPX ever join forces then watch out, modernist Rome!!!

O.L. of Fatima, pray for us.

[dacatholicbandorgan]

Rome is not modernist. The True Modernism is the mistranslation of Vatican II. The Origanal Novus Ordo Mass is much more sollem but not like the Tridentine Mass.

[xplund]

We have the FSSP in Seattle, too. We share our church with a modernist parish and we go through the same transition every Sunday:-)))

[PilgrimToChrist]

I have been wanting to go visit the new FSSP parish in Seattle since it was announced. I am up in Bellingham and there is no traditional Mass of any affiliation that I know of north of Seattle. Indeed, I have never been to a traditional Mass. How sad.

Some day I'll find a way to attend Mass there!

[xplund]

Father Saguto says 8a:m Mass at Holy Rood Cemetary chapel in Edmonds on Sundays. It would be a little closer for you. God bless.

[dacatholicbandorgan]

If you are a member of your local catholic parish, you can petition your pastor for a Tridentine Mass.

[dacatholicbandorgan]

You do have a way of going to a Traditional Mass. If you are a member of your local Catholic Church, then write you're pastor about getting the Tridentine Mass their.

[marisqueira75013]

avant c'est vatican II (un autel misérable) et après c'est l'Eglise catholique de toujours !

[Moe3214]

ahh much better thankyou

[162ALAN162]

This should have the theme from The A Team playing.

[Ranemirus]

Do I know the music in off? Thank you

[sambligliong]

don Camillo sarebbe stato contento. E anche Peppone

[kaqchikel]

Wonderful. One crucifix too many, it's true. And that one last fellow should have genuflected in more than one instance. God save the FSSP!

[lichtbroeder]

"One crucifix too many...And that last fellow should have genuflected in more than one instance."

Why would one genuflect at this point? Was the Eucharist IN the tabernacle when the altar was assembled? Do we not traditionally genuflect to Christ in the Eucharist, not an empty tabernacle?

One cross too many? Old tabernacles often have crucifixes attached their tops, with larger crucifixes or even paintings of the crucifixion placed above them.

[dfj88]

Well, I'm impressed...

[Torquemana]

Do you think that before was better?

Are you blind?

[sedilo07]

sarebbe bello utile e vantaggioso farlo in TUTTE le chiese del mondo!!!

[Ciloster82]

Great, beautiful!

But the cross is already on the wall, put another cross above the tabernacle is too many.

[Qbears]

beautiful

[lonanmu]

Beautiful!

[tusker340ml]

BRAVO!!!!

[TiedayFriday]

A woman on the altar?!?

j/k :P

[stevenstreets3]

Only if a man says its OK! :D

[Revdma]

How VERY sexist and unenlightened. Read your history.

[stevenstreets3]

Ha ha . my sarcasm is a holy art form. no less than the music and stained glass. I have mastered the craft in a lifetime of professional religious service in the historically original Xtian faiths. Give a sex abuse victim a sense of humor as a coping mechanism and you get me.

I abhor the corruption and hypocrasy of the primate male dominated religion. Like Jesus parables , my holy sarcasm goes over peoples heads . Thank God they havent seen what I have or I could get rich selling bad jokes.

[Revdma]

Well for heaven's sake- there ARE altar guilds and nuns-and hard-working ones to boot. Who do you think sews and embroiders those beautiful hangings and tends the vestments and arranges the flowers-among millions of other altar-related duties? Women have trod the predella for centuries in their own devoted offerings of time, devotion and talent.

[limacorreia]

Realmente, a reforma liturgica mais empobreceu do que dignificou o santo sacrificio da missa.

Laudetur Iesus

[iubanne]

help! I will see if this video to my archbishop, I will tell him that I was here too!

[Priztoz]

No manchen!!!! que diferencia, como emgustaria hacer lo mismo en mi parroquia...

[kingofcelts]

Amazing. Just the way these men and women build this alter presentation is a prayer to god..I think

[BeateMariae]

Absolutely splendid

[afrayedknott]

This is so beautiful. God deserves our best.

[gbernsdorff]

Erreur, monsieur Oberonne! Vous n'avez rien compris. What can be done in 15 minutes can be undone in ten minutes. This video shows how traditionalists and modernists can share the same church and live peacefully together in the same parish, each according to their spirituality and in mutual respect. If they want to, i.e. if they take the Gospel to heart.

[rockanne]

wow, i pray that a waive of this trend rescues the many mean and garage-looking churches in the US. some of these comments are laughable. it's perfectly reasonable to show respect to the altar of sacrafice not to mention the crucifix. and to not bow or genuflect while working on the sanctuary is reasonable you can not see people entering the sanctuary or leaving it which is usually where such respect is shown. no matter the church is now in good hands with the Fraternity of St. Peter.

[TheFreeHealer]

God bless them

what a concept, making something beautiful for God..

[votezvilliers]

Your video perfectly illustrates what Pope Saint Pius X said: 'I want my people to pray on beauty.'

Could you give me the title/composer/interpreter of that nice music, please?

[votezvilliers]

I just recognized "Te Deum" but I have neither the opus nor the composer

[Alohajoe5]

The composer is Jeanne Barbey, it is her 'Te Deum' Isn't it beautiful?

[Alohajoe5]

Jeanne Barbey 'Te Deum'

[kiapoksmonster]

absolutely right

[nmfd72]

The only one that genuflected after the transformation was just about complete was the younn man in the light blue shift. It could have been through habit or maybe he was under the impression that the blessed sacrament was place in the tabernacle at some point. Why are you so critical on this?? Obvioulsy you are disturbed over the entire transformation process, GET OVER IT!!!

[monktogod]

Some comments here caming from people that dont know nothing about spirituality of traditions of the Church.That very sad.Thanks to the new Pope that want to bring back our truly catholic traditions after the abomination from Vatican II.Pax.

[pimperneldog]

Some thoughts: an altar is an altar and not a table. The Sacrifice of the Mass takes place on an altar and Our Lord dwells in His tabernacle, hence the natural unity of altar and tabernacle, the latter being secured to the former and not put somewhere else - this is important. The cross, candles and flowers are all on the gradine, NOT the altar - this is also important.

I am a member of the FSSP and we are growing rapidly in number. Please consider joining wherever you are in the world.

[kathy4836]

The altar in a traditional church has the tabernacle front and center. The tabernacle on the altar serves as a throne and should be suitable for Our Lord who is present; Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.

You are young. The "altar as a table" is a new concept. It is an altar of sacrifice, and has been so since the earliest days of the church. Look and learn child. God willing, the Extraordinary Form of the mass will signal a return of awe and reverence in the mass you have grown up with.

[improperia]

Petite vidéo qui m'a bcp amusé, un dolmen qui devient un magnifique et digne maître autel.

En tout cas bravo aux bricoleurs, c'est très bien conçu et bien pensé.

Il serait bon que d'autres y prennent exemple.

[nmfd72]

what would you know about Profane anyway, oh wait, you're a Novus Ordo kinda guy, I stand corrected, you would absolutely know what Profane is!

[bielarus]

Great! :) Nice to know that this is FSSP, not SSPX.

[Jitpring]

Bravo!

Down with the hermeneutic of discontinuity! Down with indifferentism!! DOWN WITH MODERNISM!!!

[Windmill97]

The link to this video is in the signature of all my emails. Who wouldn't want to share beauty like this. I think the Pope's recent Mass in the Sistine Chapel "ad orientem" (facing the same direction as the congregation) may help old churches restore the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass to the beautiful High Altars that have sat unused for a generation.

[konigskinder]

from konigskinder. sorry about the bad rating,i pressed the wrong key ,cant delete, should be *****

[Nielsng]

Very nice.

[ChooseyBeggar86]

This video is one a kind, truly. Thank you so much for posting.

[Alohajoe5]

The Music is Jeanne Barbey's "Te Deum"

[petrosellitommaso]

Deo Gratias, oremus pro Summo Pontefice Benedictus XVI!!!

Beautiful music, who's the composer

[apollodorus85]

This is really lovely. And one thing that I like about it is the fact that it's not a restoration of an old altar--it's a new altar, receiving a substantial upgrade.

[DrPohteeyeh]

I see a real Altar, yay

[Francis1930]

Gloria in Excelsis Deo, the FSSP, SSPX are all worthy of praise, the Tridentine Mass is the most beatiful thing on earth, what a treasure we have.

[durayclear]

beautifuuullll...my heart feels with joy to see the real alter that is built perfectly. how i love catholic tradition so much. CHRISTUS REX!!!

[aqua6287]

" in the end my immaculate heart will triumph!", the fuilfillment of this promise begins at home, Gods home,here is seen the first steps to restoring our blessed Lord to his rightful place. I pray that the same might occur here in South Africa.

Jubilate Exulate!!!!1

[waldgriz99]

Please tell the name and composer of the music. Thanks.

[antegg77]

I need that altar augmentation kit!

[cincy3waychili]

AMEN!!!!!!! Deo Gratias!!!

[FreddyFrier]

beautiful! I've just attended Sunday Mass and the only one available around here is a modernist Mass. All the participants are full of good intentions, but I always feel so disappointed as it seems so undignified and I keep thinking that we can do better than that. I pray that the Latin Mass will be available around here some day soon(I live in Japan!).

[pdevadder]

Hello! I have some "tridentine" contacts in Japan and I'll be travelling to your country in November 2007. If I can be any help...

[pdevadder]

My meassage was meant for FreddyFrier but it seems it was posted on top of the list, instead of right under his post.

[Necrophilus]

MERAVIGLIOSO!

[punctum2]

Erst im 8. Jh. oder erst im frühen 9. Jh. kommt die Vorstellung auf, die arbische Religion sei eine neue, nicht mehr christliche (Die Münzen und die Inschrift im Felsendom sind ja allesamt christlich MHMD bezeichnet hier noch nicht die Person des Propheten!). Seit dieser Zeit datieren die Versuche einer Legendenbildung um "Mohammed". Die ersten Mohammedbiographien stammen allesamt aus dem 9. und 10. Jh.

[gattetto]

Je prefere l' apres  que l' avant!

[hawchubby39]

What took 30 years to damage, just took 15 minutes to repair. May God Bless The FSSP.  Benedict XVI will be made Saint!

[mwidunn]

"It is an accusation which brings great confusion on us that some men both offer and lay the Lord's Body on a dirty altar cloth and . . . fearlessly place the Body of the Savior in a vessel which no lord, worm though he is, would put to his own lips!"

St. Peter Damian, Letter 14

Wasn't this during the time of the Classical Roman Rite?

[mwidunn]

"Inscrutabile"

An encyclical written when priests were priests, the Classical Liturgy reigned supreme, seminaries were full, and religious orders were healthy.

Yet, even then, there have been those trying to ruin Christ's work. Even now, they still exist.

[mwidunn]

"Who would not be fearful at the present condition of the Christian people? . . . We have undertaken the task of guarding and protecting the Church at a time when many plots are laid against orthodox religion, when the safe guidance of the sacred canons is rashly despised, and when confusion is spread wide by men maddened by a monstrous desire of innovation, who attack the very bases of rational nature and attempt to overthrow them?"

Pius VI, Encyclical "Inscrutabile" (1775)

[Alohajoe5]

Previous quote from Mediator Dei...interesting words to ponder.

[Alohajoe5]

"It is neither wise nor laudable to reduce everything to antiquity by every possible device. Thus, to cite some instances, one would be straying from the straight path were he to wish the altar restored to its primitive tableform; were he to want black excluded as a color for the liturgical vestments; were he to forbid the use of sacred images and statues in Churches; were he to order the crucifix so designed that the divine Redeemer's body shows no trace of His cruel sufferings..."

[mwidunn]

" . . . were he to wish the altar restored to its PRIMITIVE tableform"

Surely, you are not claiming that a pope can deny Catholics the right to follow an immemorial tradition? Or, does a Pope get to decide which traditions are immemorial and praiseworthy -- and, hence, should continue -- and which are not?

White is traditional vestment color; black wasn't color until 13th century! (See Catholic Encyclopedia, "Liturgical Colours")

Who got to decide to CHANGE tradition by adding black?

[mwidunn]

Oh, BTW: This is a consecrated altar in a consecrated church. Yet, notice how no one BOWS to the altar when passing infront. Tradition -- Traddies are big on it -- stipulates one should bow (at least) before an altar on which no tabernacle is reposed. But, they show no respect to this symbol of Christ.

[splashpont]

Looks like an Anglican or Lutheran Church altar, or a page out of Roman Catholic history, c. 1570. Bring back the Passover Table with its matzos and manachevitz that Jesus used!

[NihilNominis]

I want a portable High Altar kit! Nice job.

[Falcongrrl]

WOW. Terrific video. Really points out subtly the difference between the NO church and the REAL church

[MattDawg579]

Amen!

[KatrinaWB]

Christus Vincit! Thank you Holy Father!

[Dominic1962]

Next week on "Trad my Church", Our Lady of the Angels in Los Angeles, CA!

[demonfoodstore]

I see a bulldozer...

[mwidunn]

I love the FSSP. But, except for the Cross, some candles, and the altar linens, the rest did not seem necessary to me. Tridentine overkill.

[zoom100001]

"[T]he rest" is Catholic - the point of the whole video is that the minimalist table of the Novus Ordo was transformed into something more beautiful that raises our minds to the heavenly court.

[mwidunn]

"The rest" (flowers, altar cards, reredos) is personal choice, not necessarily Catholic. The altar already accommodated a Tridentine celebration. I'm sure the altar wasn't so minimalist until things started to be removed (candles, linens) . . . in order to simply put them back again for the Old Liturgy! C'mon.

[tleatherland]

I guess you think making the altar as beautiful as possible for the glory of God is "overkill."

[mwidunn]

I think that a consecrated altar ALREADY serves God's glory: There's no need for a faux tabernacle and a fake reredos. A cross is suspended behind the altar, and presumably linens and candles were there as well before the "altar-ation." But, still not "just so" for the Traddie mindset which had to replace the Novus Ordo abomination. I love the FSSP -- but, puh-leez.

[tleatherland]

"The form of a table shall more move the simple from the superstitious opinions of the popish Mass unto the right use of the Lord's Supper. For the use of an altar is to make sacrifice upon it; the use of a table is to serve for men to eat upon."

--Nicholas Ridley, anglican "bishop" of London, 1550

[mwidunn]

(Thank you, Michael Davies R.I.P.).

We're talking about an altar duly consecrated and anointed by a bishop of the Catholic Church -- not an Anglican. So, I don't see the point of "Bishop" Ridley's comment.

[tleatherland]

No, we're talking about a table. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

[tleatherland]

"One would be straying from the straight path were he to wish the altar restored to its primitive tableform; were he to want black excluded as a color for the liturgical vestments; were he to forbid the use of sacred images and statues in Churches; were he to order the crucifix so designed that the divine Redeemer's body shows no trace of His cruel sufferings...

[tleatherland]

...and lastly were he to disdain and reject polyphonic music or singing in parts, even where it conforms to regulations issued by the Holy See."

--Pope Pius XII

Mediator Dei

[mwidunn]

How about disdaining to BOW to an altar without the tabernacle on it?

Or, do Traddies pick and choose which traditions to follow?

[tleatherland]

Are you judging their hearts? Very Catholic of you. I don't speak for them. I will say, however, that I always genuflect to the tabernacle. I don't have to worry about bowing because the true church that I attend always has the tabernacle front and center. As for the ones who don't bow to the table, I guess that contradiction is the result of them being yoked with evil.

[mwidunn]

"Are you judging their hearts? Very Catholic of you"

No less Catholic than Garrigou-Lagrange, who wrote that such spiritual gifts are a normal part of the spiritual life.

To paraphrase St. Augustine, one may have the tabernacle "front and center" in his church, but never except in the Catholic Church can that one find salvation (Sermo ad ecclesiae Caesariensis plebem, 6).

[tleatherland]

"To separate tabernacle from altar is to separate two things which by their origin and their nature should remain united."

--Pope Pius XII

Try to explain away that one.

[mwidunn]

Only if you will explain why the same pope, Pius XII, would then celebrate Mass on an altar with no tabernacle, as he often did in St. Peter's.

See for yourself:

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Or -- psst! -- maybe he was a closet Modernist after all! (He wasn't, but some think so)

[mwidunn]

Note Pope Pius XII's comment: wishing the altar to be restored to its PRIMITIVE tableform -- meaning that part of the altar is traditionally a table.

And, that is in fact what the part of the altar is called upon which the Sacrifice is offered: the table (mensa) -- not altaria.

[Markst0rm]

Either the previous poster misquoted, or you are not reading the quote correctly. HH Pius XII's comment said this: If you want the altar to be a table, you are straying from the path. So in essence he said that it should be an altar instead of a table.

[gunnerysthartman]

Pray for the end of the persecutions against traditional catholic priests.

[admin1728]

Hurrah! God bless the FSSP. I can't wait until they make their way to my area of the country!

[charlesviolin]

Here's a sure way to get them there: start up an SSPX chapel, a sedevacantist chapel down the street, and an independant chapel a ways further off. They'll get the FSSP there pronto!

[livre333]

=) Muy bien

Que música eres esta ?!

[thammer67]

This is a fantastic video! Being a post Vatican II catholic, I have never attended a traditional mass. I *so* long for it though. This video is just a taste of what it is to come. I eagerly await the Holy Father's Motu Proprio allowing traditional masses again. The Mother Church desperately needs a return to it's traditional liturgy. I think people would come out of the walls to go to mass again!

[gottogosome]

I Love It. Its better to see them doing this way than vice versa.