@odessaboy You have to understand that bjj and cacc are not the same. How the dwl is taught in jiu jitsu is different from how it is taught in catch wrestling. How Tony showed the improper tec at the beginning of the video is how bjj instructors learned it and teach it.
In addition Mr. Billy Robinson is a Master at teaching Catch. He is a rare breed. He effectively successfully trained Sakuraba. U know where I'm heading with mentioning Sakuraba. Catch is proven to be very effective. Many finishing holds in Bjj and Judo are due to Catch. Says a lot about the style.
Catch wrestling is hands down the best submission system period. It's very brutal but effective. The down side is that no one really teaches it. What I mean by teaches it, is finding an expert to show u finishing holds good luck.
Mr. Cecchine's logic appears a bit flawed. He just used a hook (snap no tap) to tap is student out. This is precisely what happens in bjj competitions. Submissions are used in relitively slow progression to avoid damage because its bjj in sport. In a fight, if i apply an armbar on you, its going to be about a split second long, and your bone fragments are going to be logged in the ceiling.
All this talk about this style is better is bullshit. And anyone who talks like that is not a real grappler. In todays gym we mix with ALL styles. Wrestling,Judo,BJJ,Sambo,Greco,Val Tudo, and Catch wrestling. People need to know there history. Catch wrestler Ad Sentel learned from the Judo fighters and vic versa. Helio learned from Kimura and vic versa. Most of you never been in a gym just watch a bunch of youtube vidz and think your sakurab cause you did a heel hook on your wife!
Love Tony's stuff. My Bjj partners are always asking me where I learned from. I lways give Mr. C credit. His stuff is made for the streets and can be modified for games. BTW which dvd is this segment from? Paulsons NeckBreakers is also a great piece of work.
Can anyone tell me how Catch compares to BJJ, Sambo, or other martial arts when it comes to effectiveness in a street fight? I've been thinking about studying a martial art, but I have no desire to compete in MMA or anything like that. I just want something that is the most effective in a real life situation where your life maybe on the line. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!
A submission is a hook... just applied slowly enough to allow your opponent to tap or verbally submit. The idea that they are different is really a matter of semantics. Anyone can have good or bad technique in a move or art, but that doesn't make it a different thing. The essence of what I think Cecchine is saying is that when the chips are down you want to execute the moves with bad intentions not waiting for them to give up or a ref to stop you.
@bounce510 I see where you're coming from when you say that hooks and submissions are the same thing, but I have to disagree with you. I agree with you because yes, you can apply any hold slowly enough and give your opponent time to tap, but some submissions just plain hit quicker than others do. And I think thats wat differentiates them. A hook is going to hit a lot quicker than a regular submission is. Thats why most sub grappling tournaments dont allow heel hooks.
@luchador1764 - Heel Hooks aren't allowed because by the time you feel pain you are already being damaged. It takes a relatively savvy and ego free fighter to recognize when they are caught in a heel hook and unable to escape before the pain sets in.
If CACC were just about destruction with no chance to end an altercation without escalating it to the point of injury and maiming then it is a poor art form, but it isn't. It allows for ending fights without hospitalizing your opponent, you choose.
@bounce510 Not quite. Its not just about cranking hard and fast. A hook is a submission where the science of its application has been taken to the highest level. A good analogy I think is punching. In boxing you are taught not to just punch with your arm, but rather to put your whole body into the punch by turning your foot, hip and shoulder. You can still hurt someone with an arm-punch but its not the most effective way of doing it.
@pocketfullofstones - That is great propaganda, but it is simply not true. There is no method of testing "the science" being taken to the highest levels, from a submission and a hook. Your analogy doesn't prove your point. A punch is a punch. Certain types of punches will generate more force, come in at differing angles, and hit with different surface areas, but they are still punches.
If a hook can be applied in a method to allow an opponent to submit it is a submission, by definition.
@bounce510 There is a method to test the "science" of a submission. Try it and see. For example you may slap on your rear naked choke really loose. This might work fine against a beginner. But a more experienced grappler might get his hands in and defend this. Your techique here could be better. Similarly you can ko someone with a wild haymaker right. But if you miss you will be off balance and liable to be ko'd yourself.
@pocketfullofstones that isn't science being taken to the highest levels. Like I said that phrase is hyperbole and marketing. There is no submission based art that doesn't believe they have the most technical submissions. What most people get caught up in are the submissions. It is about how you get to the point of applying the submission that determines a good submission artist. The wrap-ups and take-downs and ability to maintain a controlling position are what determine whether an art is good.
@bounce510 I'm not trying to market anything, I've got nothing to do with Cecchine apart from being a fan of his videos. But I would disagree with you about submissions. In this video Tony is showing a Top Wrist lock. How many times do you see people tap to this move in MMA matches these days (at least at the high level)? Very rarely. People get the hold but usually their opponent fights out of it.. Perhaps they would finish it more often if they followed the principles Tony is teaching here.
@pocketfullofstones - I don't see this submission done much in MMA at all, there are a lot of things the guy on top can do from here, that submission is only one of them. The effectiveness of his method of the top wrist lock is not something I dispute. The effectiveness of the top wrist lock in general in an MMA context though is questionable. Hard to tell because the bottom guy is not trying to fight the hold, it is a demo there is no reason for him to and it would interfere with the teaching.
@bounce510 Well in the video Tony does ask Kosta to try to straighten his arm out without the twist, then with the twist. So he is trying to demonstrate the advantages of his technique against resistance from the bottom man.
And I can think of many occasions where fighters have attempted an americana in high profile MMA matches and have failed after getting it locked up. Such as Cristiane Santos vs Gina Carano, Georges St Pierre vs Mayham Miller and Josh Barnett vs Gilbert Yvel.
@bounce510 GSP vs Miller: why does it matter what "kind" of fighter they are.
Cyborg vs Carano: even if you think Carano was outmatched by cyborg she was still able to escape her americana (and also her heel hook if I remember correctly).
arm punches: I don't know what you are talking about there. Why is an arm punch faster than a proper punch? And fighters who throw arm punches generally expose themselves more, because to generate power they load up on them.
@bounce510 One of the things you rarely see in MMA -- and I think that will change as the sport evolves and becomes more and more professional (as opposed to populated by part-timers) -- is the kind of fighting Tony teaches: namely, hooks directly off the takedown / throw / knockdown.
We show some of these in Snap, No Tap -- a high crotch directly into a top wrist look or a heel hook, depending on where and how the opponent lands, eg. -- but for now, people still seem to be learning in stages.
@cecchinecatch is controlling the wrist like this would be possible in MMA, because of the gloves fighters are wearing or you're still gonna be able to hold him like this??
@cecchinecatch Even if you think that top level MMA is mostly 'part-timers' which would be a really hard case to make in the current era, I don't think that the rarity of many submission holds is because of the overall skill level. It's more a case that all submissions require your opponent to make a mistake first and professionals have cleaned up their games to the point that mistakes are rare. Strikes are becoming a higher percentage way to end fights because they are simply faster.
@pocketfullofstones - Don't get me wrong, the exposure I've had to CACC has shown them to be extremely efficient at achieving the positions best for a fight ending hold. However a loose RNC and a tight RNC is not an elevation of science or technique in the art it is the competency of the grappler and potentially their teacher.
Elevating to the highest levels of science would entail double blind studies, having a fair amount of experience in anatomy, kinesiology, chiropracty, and applying it.
@bounce510 I see you don't like the use of the term science. Sorry I'm used to it because that is how boxing instructors often describe the various things they are are teaching. Forget about that. All I meant to say is that for Tony it seems, a hook is a submission hold done as effectively as possible. We are discussing what Tony means by the term hook, and that is what he means. You may or may not agree with him about that.
@pocketfullofstones - I like the term science fine, when it is addressing scientific principles. ;) Submission vs. Hook is an artificial division of semantics. A false dichotomy. I do not argue the effectiveness of Tony's variations, I debate the term as being special or different materially. This definition means any superbly efficient submission is a hook. If that can apply to a jujitsu move as well as a CACC regardless of differences in technique, as long as it is effective I'm happy.
@bounce510 But some ways of doing a hold will be more effective than others. A hold can be made harder to escape, more damaging, etc. Tony likes to compare his Top Wrist Lock to the traditional americana or paintbrush (which is taught in many BJJ schools). Tony teaches to pinch your elbows in tight and sit-through to enact the lock (rather than just crank with your arms). The scientific principle here is if you put your whole body weight into the hold it will be much more powerful.
@pocketfullofstones - Do you know why arm punches are thrown? Because if they connect right they can disorient your opponent are faster to throw than full body punches, and don't force you to commit. You use them to set up more powerful strikes or take downs, or to get points in a fight with judges. When you do commit your weight you have increased power, but it takes longer to travel the distance, and force you to commit your body to the movement which of course means if you miss he's got you.
@pocketfullofstones - When you just use your upper body it allows you to attack the arm but allows you keep control and full weight directly on top of your opponent. When you sit-through you trade some of your top weight for leverage, which while harder to fight the submission is easier to get a reverse, which luckily enough nullifies the submission more than 50% of the time. Everything has trade offs. It is best to know both, use the arm when your opponent is fresh, the body when they are worn.
@bounce510 Once you sit through his arm is gone. As Tony would say, you've "hooked" him. The fight is over. As can be seen in this video Tony only needs to twist his body about an inch to get a tap from Kosta. If you think you are going to counter after he has sat through you must have rubber arms or something.
So interesting! Those hooks are just insane! So, can we say that the modern day "submission holds" are watered-down versions of the original hooks? So submission are more the sports version of the hooks originally purposed for self-defence? Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just interested. :-)
@verhoogje you are wrong. hooks are just submissions that hit quicker so they are much harder to control, and thus much more dangerous to practice, or use in competition. This thus makes them much more suitable for self defense purposes, but that doesnt make regular submissions any less effective in a self defense application.
Of course regular submissions are less effective than hooks for self defense, if you make a guy tap without doing damage he can just get back up and attack you again. Also you haven't got time to mess about easing on a submission for the tap in case your enemy has backup.
@bangermccrusher Thats right, I train in MMA and submission grappling. I was introduced to it by John Hall, who`s a catch wrestler and he told me submission wrestling was designed to maim and kill a man! I hear Catch is coming back in a big way now, i hope its true, it seems to be all about BJJ nowadays and as good as it is, I prefer catch wrestling.
i really like your stuff. there is always some detail in it ihaven´t heard before.
but i have to say i´m really afraid of seeing the cosequences of a real hook done the way tony explains.
i´ve been hurt by a keylock in a sparringsession an i couldn´t wipe my ass properly for 3 month. if you do it with full force and bodyweight behind it shoulder and elbow are completly done.
omg dont use that move u could get someone pregnent
TheSHAWNFERNANDO 1 week ago
I wish Tony would have fought in the UFC when it first started. Would have been awesome
puffykilled2pac 1 month ago
@odessaboy You have to understand that bjj and cacc are not the same. How the dwl is taught in jiu jitsu is different from how it is taught in catch wrestling. How Tony showed the improper tec at the beginning of the video is how bjj instructors learned it and teach it.
Thomachesankara 2 months ago
wow, that art is deadly!
Gundoggak47 3 months ago
Yeh! Definite no no! You're not allowed to do this in freestyle. At all.
Mddoelman 4 months ago
animal....
koalicija1 4 months ago
would i get called for that for jr.high freestlye wrestling
thehim34 4 months ago
In addition Mr. Billy Robinson is a Master at teaching Catch. He is a rare breed. He effectively successfully trained Sakuraba. U know where I'm heading with mentioning Sakuraba. Catch is proven to be very effective. Many finishing holds in Bjj and Judo are due to Catch. Says a lot about the style.
alexpapyz31 5 months ago
Catch wrestling is hands down the best submission system period. It's very brutal but effective. The down side is that no one really teaches it. What I mean by teaches it, is finding an expert to show u finishing holds good luck.
alexpapyz31 5 months ago
@alexpapyz31 Tony I believe is doing that on this video.
TheDeshi100 5 months ago
Mr. Cecchine's logic appears a bit flawed. He just used a hook (snap no tap) to tap is student out. This is precisely what happens in bjj competitions. Submissions are used in relitively slow progression to avoid damage because its bjj in sport. In a fight, if i apply an armbar on you, its going to be about a split second long, and your bone fragments are going to be logged in the ceiling.
odessaboy 6 months ago
@odessaboy Actually his logic is correct. He is not talking about the speed of the technique but how the technique is done.
TheDeshi100 5 months ago
@KosenMaster relax man the dude was just saying BJJ doesnt teach this. no need to go all "gracie slut whore wanna be".
toolfan92 7 months ago
i wonder if he produces milk?
skatenewsollutions 7 months ago
All this talk about this style is better is bullshit. And anyone who talks like that is not a real grappler. In todays gym we mix with ALL styles. Wrestling,Judo,BJJ,Sambo,Greco,Val Tudo, and Catch wrestling. People need to know there history. Catch wrestler Ad Sentel learned from the Judo fighters and vic versa. Helio learned from Kimura and vic versa. Most of you never been in a gym just watch a bunch of youtube vidz and think your sakurab cause you did a heel hook on your wife!
b7r7u7c7e 7 months ago
that is some nice moves...I love it
4xtraATL 7 months ago
This is clever. They don't teach this in BJJ.
Svittidiu 11 months ago
Which dvd # ? There are a few different ones.
JFDF69 11 months ago
@JFDF69 Groundfighting. Of course, the instruction works best as a set. Some of the stuff we show on the feet is used later on the ground.
cecchinecatch 11 months ago
Love Tony's stuff. My Bjj partners are always asking me where I learned from. I lways give Mr. C credit. His stuff is made for the streets and can be modified for games. BTW which dvd is this segment from? Paulsons NeckBreakers is also a great piece of work.
JFDF69 1 year ago 2
@JFDF69 From Snap, No Tap.
You can order through Tony's site or through Paladin Press.
cecchinecatch 11 months ago
"I cant explain completely graphically on him because it would rip out his rotator cuff.."
EMT22637 1 year ago
In this video Tony look a little bit old. How old is he?
Hulkmania316 1 year ago
this just blew my mind! the guys are not gonna like this in the gym~ lol
gkornegay 1 year ago
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flowjitsu1337 1 year ago
HAHA! Tony is an awesome presenter. No frills. I also experienced this with training with Brazilians. "I'm gonna do it right...you're gonna know"
muvintegratedfitness 1 year ago
Can anyone tell me how Catch compares to BJJ, Sambo, or other martial arts when it comes to effectiveness in a street fight? I've been thinking about studying a martial art, but I have no desire to compete in MMA or anything like that. I just want something that is the most effective in a real life situation where your life maybe on the line. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!
jbjb9402 1 year ago
I am not easily impressed, but this technique he is showing will work and will end a fight. I can't say that about many videos.
genious4real 1 year ago
i think that about 85% of the people on the street can't fight all you need to do is learn
any style of fighting really and you can beat up about 50% of the people on the street.
I have been wrestling for five years and i have had to use it in fights and it works very well
jordanisamazing11 1 year ago
amazing
antowalk 1 year ago
A submission is a hook... just applied slowly enough to allow your opponent to tap or verbally submit. The idea that they are different is really a matter of semantics. Anyone can have good or bad technique in a move or art, but that doesn't make it a different thing. The essence of what I think Cecchine is saying is that when the chips are down you want to execute the moves with bad intentions not waiting for them to give up or a ref to stop you.
I agree with this completely.
bounce510 1 year ago
@bounce510 I see where you're coming from when you say that hooks and submissions are the same thing, but I have to disagree with you. I agree with you because yes, you can apply any hold slowly enough and give your opponent time to tap, but some submissions just plain hit quicker than others do. And I think thats wat differentiates them. A hook is going to hit a lot quicker than a regular submission is. Thats why most sub grappling tournaments dont allow heel hooks.
luchador1764 1 year ago
@luchador1764 - Heel Hooks aren't allowed because by the time you feel pain you are already being damaged. It takes a relatively savvy and ego free fighter to recognize when they are caught in a heel hook and unable to escape before the pain sets in.
If CACC were just about destruction with no chance to end an altercation without escalating it to the point of injury and maiming then it is a poor art form, but it isn't. It allows for ending fights without hospitalizing your opponent, you choose.
bounce510 1 year ago
@bounce510 Not quite. Its not just about cranking hard and fast. A hook is a submission where the science of its application has been taken to the highest level. A good analogy I think is punching. In boxing you are taught not to just punch with your arm, but rather to put your whole body into the punch by turning your foot, hip and shoulder. You can still hurt someone with an arm-punch but its not the most effective way of doing it.
pocketfullofstones 1 year ago
@pocketfullofstones - That is great propaganda, but it is simply not true. There is no method of testing "the science" being taken to the highest levels, from a submission and a hook. Your analogy doesn't prove your point. A punch is a punch. Certain types of punches will generate more force, come in at differing angles, and hit with different surface areas, but they are still punches.
If a hook can be applied in a method to allow an opponent to submit it is a submission, by definition.
bounce510 1 year ago
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pocketfullofstones 1 year ago
@bounce510 There is a method to test the "science" of a submission. Try it and see. For example you may slap on your rear naked choke really loose. This might work fine against a beginner. But a more experienced grappler might get his hands in and defend this. Your techique here could be better. Similarly you can ko someone with a wild haymaker right. But if you miss you will be off balance and liable to be ko'd yourself.
pocketfullofstones 1 year ago
@pocketfullofstones that isn't science being taken to the highest levels. Like I said that phrase is hyperbole and marketing. There is no submission based art that doesn't believe they have the most technical submissions. What most people get caught up in are the submissions. It is about how you get to the point of applying the submission that determines a good submission artist. The wrap-ups and take-downs and ability to maintain a controlling position are what determine whether an art is good.
bounce510 1 year ago
@bounce510 I'm not trying to market anything, I've got nothing to do with Cecchine apart from being a fan of his videos. But I would disagree with you about submissions. In this video Tony is showing a Top Wrist lock. How many times do you see people tap to this move in MMA matches these days (at least at the high level)? Very rarely. People get the hold but usually their opponent fights out of it.. Perhaps they would finish it more often if they followed the principles Tony is teaching here.
pocketfullofstones 1 year ago
@pocketfullofstones - I don't see this submission done much in MMA at all, there are a lot of things the guy on top can do from here, that submission is only one of them. The effectiveness of his method of the top wrist lock is not something I dispute. The effectiveness of the top wrist lock in general in an MMA context though is questionable. Hard to tell because the bottom guy is not trying to fight the hold, it is a demo there is no reason for him to and it would interfere with the teaching.
bounce510 1 year ago
@bounce510 Well in the video Tony does ask Kosta to try to straighten his arm out without the twist, then with the twist. So he is trying to demonstrate the advantages of his technique against resistance from the bottom man.
And I can think of many occasions where fighters have attempted an americana in high profile MMA matches and have failed after getting it locked up. Such as Cristiane Santos vs Gina Carano, Georges St Pierre vs Mayham Miller and Josh Barnett vs Gilbert Yvel.
pocketfullofstones 1 year ago
GSP versus Jason Miller was 5 years ago and both are completely different fighters...
Cyborg/Carano was high-profile but a definite mis-match in experience and skill level.
It is not a move used frequently for a number of reasons.
bounce510 1 year ago
@bounce510 GSP vs Miller: why does it matter what "kind" of fighter they are.
Cyborg vs Carano: even if you think Carano was outmatched by cyborg she was still able to escape her americana (and also her heel hook if I remember correctly).
arm punches: I don't know what you are talking about there. Why is an arm punch faster than a proper punch? And fighters who throw arm punches generally expose themselves more, because to generate power they load up on them.
pocketfullofstones 1 year ago
@bounce510 One of the things you rarely see in MMA -- and I think that will change as the sport evolves and becomes more and more professional (as opposed to populated by part-timers) -- is the kind of fighting Tony teaches: namely, hooks directly off the takedown / throw / knockdown.
We show some of these in Snap, No Tap -- a high crotch directly into a top wrist look or a heel hook, depending on where and how the opponent lands, eg. -- but for now, people still seem to be learning in stages.
cecchinecatch 1 year ago
@cecchinecatch is controlling the wrist like this would be possible in MMA, because of the gloves fighters are wearing or you're still gonna be able to hold him like this??
jaynunchuck 1 year ago
@cecchinecatch Even if you think that top level MMA is mostly 'part-timers' which would be a really hard case to make in the current era, I don't think that the rarity of many submission holds is because of the overall skill level. It's more a case that all submissions require your opponent to make a mistake first and professionals have cleaned up their games to the point that mistakes are rare. Strikes are becoming a higher percentage way to end fights because they are simply faster.
nHautamaki 1 year ago
@nHautamaki Sure. Tony has always said the best move is the knockout.
cecchinecatch 1 year ago
@pocketfullofstones - Don't get me wrong, the exposure I've had to CACC has shown them to be extremely efficient at achieving the positions best for a fight ending hold. However a loose RNC and a tight RNC is not an elevation of science or technique in the art it is the competency of the grappler and potentially their teacher.
Elevating to the highest levels of science would entail double blind studies, having a fair amount of experience in anatomy, kinesiology, chiropracty, and applying it.
bounce510 1 year ago
@bounce510 I see you don't like the use of the term science. Sorry I'm used to it because that is how boxing instructors often describe the various things they are are teaching. Forget about that. All I meant to say is that for Tony it seems, a hook is a submission hold done as effectively as possible. We are discussing what Tony means by the term hook, and that is what he means. You may or may not agree with him about that.
pocketfullofstones 1 year ago
@pocketfullofstones - I like the term science fine, when it is addressing scientific principles. ;) Submission vs. Hook is an artificial division of semantics. A false dichotomy. I do not argue the effectiveness of Tony's variations, I debate the term as being special or different materially. This definition means any superbly efficient submission is a hook. If that can apply to a jujitsu move as well as a CACC regardless of differences in technique, as long as it is effective I'm happy.
bounce510 1 year ago
@bounce510 But some ways of doing a hold will be more effective than others. A hold can be made harder to escape, more damaging, etc. Tony likes to compare his Top Wrist Lock to the traditional americana or paintbrush (which is taught in many BJJ schools). Tony teaches to pinch your elbows in tight and sit-through to enact the lock (rather than just crank with your arms). The scientific principle here is if you put your whole body weight into the hold it will be much more powerful.
pocketfullofstones 1 year ago
@pocketfullofstones - Do you know why arm punches are thrown? Because if they connect right they can disorient your opponent are faster to throw than full body punches, and don't force you to commit. You use them to set up more powerful strikes or take downs, or to get points in a fight with judges. When you do commit your weight you have increased power, but it takes longer to travel the distance, and force you to commit your body to the movement which of course means if you miss he's got you.
bounce510 1 year ago
@pocketfullofstones - When you just use your upper body it allows you to attack the arm but allows you keep control and full weight directly on top of your opponent. When you sit-through you trade some of your top weight for leverage, which while harder to fight the submission is easier to get a reverse, which luckily enough nullifies the submission more than 50% of the time. Everything has trade offs. It is best to know both, use the arm when your opponent is fresh, the body when they are worn.
bounce510 1 year ago
@bounce510 Once you sit through his arm is gone. As Tony would say, you've "hooked" him. The fight is over. As can be seen in this video Tony only needs to twist his body about an inch to get a tap from Kosta. If you think you are going to counter after he has sat through you must have rubber arms or something.
pocketfullofstones 1 year ago
Frank Mir "hooked" Tim Sylvia, LOL.
TGUNZ562 1 year ago
So interesting! Those hooks are just insane! So, can we say that the modern day "submission holds" are watered-down versions of the original hooks? So submission are more the sports version of the hooks originally purposed for self-defence? Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just interested. :-)
verhoogje 1 year ago
@verhoogje you are wrong. hooks are just submissions that hit quicker so they are much harder to control, and thus much more dangerous to practice, or use in competition. This thus makes them much more suitable for self defense purposes, but that doesnt make regular submissions any less effective in a self defense application.
luchador1764 1 year ago
Of course regular submissions are less effective than hooks for self defense, if you make a guy tap without doing damage he can just get back up and attack you again. Also you haven't got time to mess about easing on a submission for the tap in case your enemy has backup.
Isocrates66 1 year ago
Lol I like it how every single time Tony is about to apply something he is apologising.
zaphbrannigan 1 year ago 7
@zaphbrannigan In all of his video, lmfao
legendof 1 year ago
Where can I order your DVD's from? I want to take my Jiu Jitsu game up a thousand levels, and I think you can help.
legendof 1 year ago
@legendof
You can order through Tony's site or, for this particular set, through either Tony's site or Paladin Press.
cecchinecatch 11 months ago
hooking is for self defence purposes. on the street. bjj is good also, but cacc applies science to break the criminal. not just armbar him
berniemac18 2 years ago 3
@berniemac18 Who else teaches this? Gokor? Erik Paulson?
Mider999 1 year ago
simply awsome, cecchine is the real deal
CW was made to fcuk you up not to make you tap
bangermccrusher 2 years ago
@bangermccrusher Thats right, I train in MMA and submission grappling. I was introduced to it by John Hall, who`s a catch wrestler and he told me submission wrestling was designed to maim and kill a man! I hear Catch is coming back in a big way now, i hope its true, it seems to be all about BJJ nowadays and as good as it is, I prefer catch wrestling.
criticalbill1983 1 year ago
i really like your stuff. there is always some detail in it ihaven´t heard before.
but i have to say i´m really afraid of seeing the cosequences of a real hook done the way tony explains.
i´ve been hurt by a keylock in a sparringsession an i couldn´t wipe my ass properly for 3 month. if you do it with full force and bodyweight behind it shoulder and elbow are completly done.
then it´s really good bye costa
Memyself10101 2 years ago