UNIX licensing demanded that licensees recognize the fact that they were entitled to modify UNIX to make their distributions unique supporting branding and marketing in general. Microsoft, Novell, HP and Sun Microsystems (now Oracle) all licensed UNIX from AT&T and then branded their own versions as licensed requirement. They had to refactor at a minimum -- fact; Xenix is in fact MS UNIX too - kudos.
BSD and Linux have similarities, but aanyone that knows the internals of Linux and BSD know that they are not siblings or related. Each system is an individual and unique O.S. and for those who argue the fact do so at your own risk or learn to read! Also, Microsoft used to license UNIX from AT&T ;-) You knew that though hunh?
gotta say really most of the things that were said about linux are completely distribution-specific. If you want something to give your grandma you give her Ubuntu, to your geeky son you give Arch linux.
The only reason really I like gnu/linux better is the GPL and the philosophy behind it.
This was a nice show. It describes lots of interesting things although mostly superficially. I'm a GNU/Linux user, but I'm so fascinated by the BSDs. That's why I'm planning to use Debian GNU/kfreebsd some time later in the future, so that I could try using the kernel but still remain for the most part in my GNU comfort zone. I just hope BSDs would be developed using the GPL license...
Nobody seems to mention that they use pretty much the same software. It's no wonder since most upstream projects are easy to build for both systems on a plethora of architectures.
Installation speed ? Ubuntu puts on what the FreeBSD team put on and does it easier and quicker without having to modify much of anything. HDD setup, that's common to both, after that Ubuntu asks less questions and hardware is auto detected. In a free OS shootout, Linux wins this hands down to get OS & GUI desktop up and running. Ubuntu has repositories and Synaptics to get the applications. FreeBSD ports don't have any advantages over Ubuntu repositories or 3rd party maintained apps ?
@jgcamp99 BSD's install from source, and have binaries bolted on, linux is exactly the other way around. Not a good compare. I prefer from source, it's custom for my rig. Ubuntu is large and slow, it only has the hardware detection going for it, it's for noobs that know shit about hardware. Debian and it's apt-get is king.
@lesleyhenriquez Ubuntu is hardly big and slow, slower than BSD, yeah sure, but for the most part not really noticeably slower. There comes a day when it's overrated to have to configure hardware to get it to work. FreeBSD is like loading DOS on a PC, because the command prompt is what you wind up with until you start putting a Linux gui & apps to it for a desktop. Does it really take more than about 20 minutes to install Ubuntu after you get past the hardware selection, user setup & questions ?
X11 isn't even ON THE SAME LICENCE as LINUX is. So quit think that BSD is "forced" to use Linux Binary to do everyday work.
Also there are Many BSD that comes with an built-in GUI or pre-configured X as we also call it. So nothing to compare there. Just that you get some freedom and choose on whenever or not YOU want to use GUI or not.
Nothing that has to do with being "far-away" technology within the use of FreeBSD.
@Snuskigaste X11 is not the desktop gui that Gnome, KDE, Fluxbox or even XFCE is, it's the framework for the gui. It's window system is primitive, comparatively would you go back to using DOS in lieu of X11 even ? The video was putting a desktop gui and applications on a computer, not installing a primitive DOS looking text operating system. Besides, X11 is a port that as I recall has to be selected to install.
Fluxbox has the same license as X11 aka MIT. Gnome has GLPL & GGPL and XFCE has BSD license and many others which are compatible with FreeBSD.
Also we are not talking about the video here in general - We are talking about how You claims that BSD is DOS both in look and performance while Ubuntu isn't.
Also Yes, X11 is a port and can be install so I don't see what you wanted to tell me there.
About livecd, FreeBSD has livecd's where you can test and run it while using a GUI.
@Snuskigaste Per FreeBSD's website, every download that isn't the dvd sized iso is a rescue mode. Again, the post installation tasks required to get the Gnome gui to display w/ FreeBSD is taken care of with Ubuntu. Otherwise you get a command prompt aka DOS look for Windows people. All I'm saying is Linux has made it easier to be up and running in a desktop, BSD is behind on that and catching up to at least where Linux is. Ubuntu's server version was/is intended to be gui-less just the same.
@Snuskigaste But isn't that what the OS and application ports are supposed to be for BSD ? Ported to run on FreeBSD, just as the desktop BSD's are trying to pre-configure ? Working after any installer finishes without the post installation tasks ? The whole point of installing it was that it would work, find the hardware, connect to the internet. I could see having to configure if the IP was fixed and had to be manually done, but DHCP, the whole point of that is to be found and auto assignment.
@Snuskigaste And if I had to do all the post installation configurations for a desktop that FreeBSD requires for Ubuntu or any other Linux distro, any advantage BSD had over Linux is lost there. No wonder you have to get the dvd rather than just a live cdrom or usb image with it. Ubuntu, you'll be connected to the internet when it's installer is finished, BSD you have to feck with it to connect. Anyone squabbling about a second or few with multi core, several GB systems is a whiny little girl.
@Snuskigaste As for 3rd party applications, a few of the BSD distros are even moving to the package manager maintained for Linux. Free BSD is a gui less server OS, the other BSD's are moving towards desktops. But why is that even necessary ? With all the Linux distros, this is like trying to be cool and arrive at a party when everyone else has gone home. All the hotties are already taken because others did the footwork. BSD is behind Canonical, BSD desktop is the free version of OS X.
Making network work in BSD is just as hard it is on Linux.
BSD isn't moving towards GUI. It's moving to optimal performance and security.
About being cool, BSD isn't known not because of it's "less-gui" style or anything more that there aren't enough enterprises who either knows or uses BSD (sure Nasa, goverments are using it, but that isn't that public).
@Snuskigaste BSD Network is just as easy as Linux, then why does the live cdrom in Ubuntu connect to the internet after loading ? Does it with BSD ? Linux livecd or usb stick as light as BackTrack, Knoppix & PHLAK all connect too.
BSD is most certainly moving to gui, Ghost BSD is being developed as an alternative to PCBSD, Gnome vs KDE.
Continue to use BSD, I may try Ghost as it gets better, but FreeBSD=too much work for me. I want it to install and then choose what to run on it and install.
Sure if that's your type of enviroment - Go for it. I'm only defending the points where people claim FreeBSD lacks.
BSD will have it pre-configured for you on livecd or on a USB stick.
Again you are just look on top of what BSD / Linux is all about. GUI isn't the issue with FreeBSD - It's really more commercial usages and support (giving them drivers etc.) since it is a very powerful OS.
Since FreeBSD is made to be about choose and setup.
@Snuskigaste Trust me, I'm not a neo-luddite when it comes to OS's. I'd love for the world to move over to BSD or Linux. But then the proprietary OS's try to take over even that. The Microsofts, Apples & Oracles of the world. I really think if Ellison could sell his Oracle Linux and the rest of the corporate world would oblige and stop using Windows, that he would try to rule that world and squeeze out everyone else ?
I'll try GhostBSD, just not yet. I prefer Gnome to KDE.
I would say that I'm not against BSD / Linux being popular but then you have to get rid of the "Free only" policy Richard Stallman tries to implant into every single Linux distro and trying to start a war against BSD.
@Snuskigaste I actually like Richard Stallman and his crew's GPL license when seeing the wars between the free software world versus the non-free one. On the other hand, the BSD license is like a neutral object which can be used by either side. I just don't like the idea that someone or some company could take a free software, change it a little and make people pay for it or not allow people to study the codes or freely distribute it without having to contribute to the original free software.
@Snuskigaste For now, I can't really justify dumping Ubuntu. How easy is it to install OS & any applications I want. They even got rid of the ugly poop brown theme. It's almost OS X like without a dock, but even that's changing to their own version with the Netbook Edition & Unity. Will Unity be ported over to %BSD ? And if not, that's another want that somebody is gonna covet & desire, if not a new & improved version of what Ubuntu provides. People love that dock bar of OS X's !
Well currently I'm not sure if that will be possible since it's an Ubuntu only from what I've heard. But wayland (which is what will replace X in some years it's been told) will be ported after it's in an Release state and not Alpha.
@Snuskigaste GhostBSD 2 is in it's beta, from what I understand it has a gui installer that's supposed to be Ubuntu-like. Ubuntu matured well while moving into Unity. I'm using Unity on a netbook, but 10.10 is buggy, like Unity crashes and restarts itself, that's annoying. But hopefully it will be more refined and with 11.04 it's supposed to get autohide. Netbooks need all the screen real estate that the 10 inch screen has. Like with MySQL Workbench, that's designed for 1024x768, not 950x600.
@jgcamp99 Hey, actually, in Ubuntu you can get several Mac-style dock bars. The one I'm using is Cairo Dock and I think it's the most configurable and also the prettiest. But I think it's not the most stable. There are some bugs, but I'm happy enough cuz there's not a lot of it. You can youtube it to find out more about it. There's also the Mac-style global menu for Ubuntu, which turns the desktop panel into the taskbar of all your applications. It's really cool!
@Tununias I tried PC-BSD , and it has a KDE GUI but it is way slower than any Linux KDE distributions I've used, and it's a memory hog . Plus PC-BSD is 3.2 GB download Hell Fedora Linux is only 675.0 MB ... Why are BSD distributions with GUI so slow and big ? I think Linux distributions makes a better desk top than BSD...
@unrealjeff well yeah, i've used ubuntu for a couple of months since my windows gaming rig got fried. i used many different desktop mangers but the way the OSs work arent really that different. Other than what they come with. Ubuntu is debian + more stuff. kubuntu = ubuntu that looks like windows. the new backtrack is kubuntu + hack software. gentoo is the death of me.
FreeBSD not for the desktop? I'm running FreeBSD right now and using it to watch this. Granted i'm using openbox and xterm to launch/do just about everything, but that's just out of preference. I have kde installed, xfce, lxde, and gnome. All work perfectly fine.
I used to like FreeBSD over linux, but with the latest versions of linux, mainly Ubuntu, Linux can now easily take over windows for non-hardcore gamers.
Dam i'm a big debian based distro fan and love apt-get but freebsd looks sick and it is supposed to be really secure,but I would still prefer linux as a desktop maybe i'll try freebsd or openbsd for one of my servers
@sovietmarxist: I guess he's trying to appeal to typical desktop users. Most desktop users don't want to do anything through the command line (even though its much faster). Both FreeBSD and Linux are Free Software so you can customize them to be whatever you want. That's what I love about Free Software. I love having complete control over my PC. Windows just can't compete. :)
NetBSD installer is not as bad as OpenBSD installer:)
icfnord, portages in Gentoo is a NIGHTMARE!!! I would not call them superious. Heck, all those glitches for dependecy resolution, all those blocked ports?? No thanks, I'll stick with my FreeBSD ports and pkg_add
Ever try installing NetBSD? The install is a bigger nightmare than dreaming of getting a blowjob by the hottest woman to walk the earth, only finding out afterward that she was really a he.
Its funny how they try to make the linux package installer look good, linux package installers blow, freebsd ports automaticaly download and install all dependancys and updates with one command where as linux will give you errors and not install this is where bsd pwns
Ports in BSD is definitely superior compared to Aptitude or Yum. And because it's installing from source, the advantages is greater than pre-packaged binaries, though there are places for that as well. Not to mention each installation alerts you with specific dependencies to bring into your system. But that's my opinion. =)
I like gentoo. However it takes forever to compile anything and in the end you don't get much performance boost :( that's why Linux users don't use gentoo or freebsd that much :(
Its not just about performance. It's also about customization and flexiblity and having a package manager that doesn't blow. Also, compiling from source is great for virtualization on xen too.
I disagree with your statement that Linux people don't like gentoo. Gentoo is still opne of the most actively developed open source project in the world, and certianly the most actively developed linux distros.
It's just geared for people who actually know what they are doing. It's not for noobs.
I guess it depends on what you want. I got sick of compiling stuff.. it takes to much time :(. What I meant was that most people don't want to compile everything. Moreover sometimes the compilation fails (that's the other reason why I'm using debian now).
However, I agree portage is the best package manager for Linux out there. Also I liked the possibility of customizing. And what I liked most was that the software was always the newest available :)
Ubuntu is too "auto-magic" for me. I had bad experience changing configurations manually in ubuntu. You do it ubuntu way or it will be difficult to achieve what you want (e.g. configuring ati drivers was a real pain in ubuntu :\ they don't even give us a decent xorg.conf)
Debian isn't exactly the best distro to change configurations manually (gentoo is the best one). Many times you have to use their tools to configure stuff. However, debian doesnt not use GUI based tools like ubuntu does.
Well, I read from Wikipedia that Linus Torvalds disagree with the name of "GNU/LINUX" ,, he says, because LINUX is not a GNU Proyect.. I shouldn't be called "GNU/LINUX"....
Linus is in charge of kernel development, but the userland is based on GNU apps. Since both components are necessary for a usable system, it makes sense to me to call most distributions GNU/Linux.
probably because bsd/linux seem to be catered to what the user wants, not the wants of a company. though i have read many gripes about unix, i still like its inherent behavior more than windows. plus windows makes all users/companies practice coprophilia. have to take microsoft's shit and better like it. damn near live off it. but first pay for it, while cheerfully barking thank you sir may i have another. :'((.
When it comes to installation on my laptop, I tried FreeBSD a couple of weeks ago and it flat-out would not install. Same with OpenSolaris. Fedora Linux, however, fired right up on it. Must be the hardware configuration.
It would be great to have FreeBSD running with ZFS; perhaps even better would be ZFS GPL'd!
No. The Linux team was showing the Yatta! flash video in an old Mozilla Suite, so that puts it before 2004. Googling reveals that this episode was aired on 2 September 2003. The most recent version of FreeBSD at that time was 4.8. FreeBSD 7 was released in February 2008.
I love Linux, never tried BSD but im downloading it now to test it :), But i like Mac OS X allot better than any other OS because im a graphic designer :)
NextStep is the actual precursor to Mac OS. NextStep and FreeBSD are both derived off of the original Berkely Distribution (4.3 BSd actually). Nowadays a lot of code is shared between the Mac OS and FreeBSD (amongst others) projects and it would be incorrect to say the Mac is FreeBSD derived.
Faggot. Windows is teh shit. You are an 13 yeard boy that think you know all about computers. Even if you are a Graphic designer, no graphic designer are know muth about OS if you haven't done with the BSD. Mac OS X are shit.
hahahaha, 1st of all im not 13 ;), 2nd i don't know every thing about computers and i never said that ;), 3rd Windows is one of the worst OS a have ever used in my LIFE!!!, 4th Mac OS X is the best OS for GFX ;), if u don't agree...ask any graphic designer, and finally FUCK YOU and your fucking Windows!!! "y si entiendes espa~ol kbron mala tuya, me cago en tu fukin pai y tu mai hijueputa!!!, y marikon es el pai tuyo con tu abuelo tambn KBRON jaja"
i hate windows myself. if i could i'd completely leave it. yes windows is the shit. it has trouble mounting partitions to folders, it has frequent crashes, demands constant admin attention, is absolutely anal about whether or not you're "stealing", loads EVERYTHING possible allowing attackers to take advantage of all the well programed services ms offers. ooo i just love windows and its bullying. bloatware at a charge.
Windows is the worst operating system that i have ever encountered, i switched to Mac OSX about a year ago and love it, NO CRASHING, NO POXY FUCKING BLUE SCREENS. i have used ubuntu, and it is also very stable, about to try freeBSD with KDE desktop environment, FUCK WINDOWS, its so unreliable, the kernel is botched beyond belief, and by the way you are the one who does not know what he is on about (jokeersuper), also learn to SPELL
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you've probably never gotten a bsod windows is the best i've used it for 10 years and i've only seen two (my fault, not windows) i got a mac cause i was curious and i got 4 kernel panics mac sucks
linux sucks too i used it for a week and it crashed 5 times windows ftw
i bought a brand new dell laptop the other year, i switched it on and it fucking blue screened!! and if unix based system (BSD, OSX, LINUX) are so shit, how comes they run the vast majority of the web servers in existence. Also macs kick windows's ass at music production.
depends. i've gotten many. primarily to driver troubles, and other times just a sudden "you're fucked" no warning, didnt touch anything tragedy. what is even more delightful is when it has caught me while transferring files between drives. the joy of integrity checking 2 discs. to me windows has 2 purposes, to play my games, and to play as a honey pot for experimentation. but hey glad it works for you. linux and bsd arent perfect either, but cost much less with less drm and bs.
After using GNU/Linux on a desktop and home server level for about 8 months, I fell in love with it and am happy there is a good alternative to Windows. GNU/Linux is far better than Windows in so many ways. However, after recently trying OpenBSD and FreeBSD, I have fallen in love with the Berkeley UNIX distros. They feel much more stable and robust. Linux (especially old-school distros like Slackware and Debian) is stable as a rock, but I trust BSD much more for servers and networking.
I'm a Linux fan, but I like to experiment with BSD. There are easier ones to use, like DesktopBSD and PC-BSD, but FreeBSD offers more support. The only thing that BSD needs to improve is thier Adobe Flash compatibility. Currently, I believe they only support Flash player 7. This makes it harder to view videos online on certain websites that require Flash 9. Other than that, I think BSD is a good OS.
The host sounds like a noob trying too hard to use the lingo. He isn't giving much time for the people to talk. He just said apt-get on FreeBSD; good thing the FBSD guys were gracious enough to say "Yeah, something like that." The host was a moron, and the title of the show was BS. Both OSes are awesome!
By the way, the noobs always call Beastie "deemon". The host needs to be educated and he's been corrected countless time on this episode "day-mon".
You knkow is beacuse of GEEKS like you that people think linux and BSD are hard...YOU DO NOT HAVE TO KONOW EVERY SINGLE THING ABOUTA TOOL (in this case the OS) to USE IT!! Shut up looser!
PS: LET THE GUY SAY DEAMON OR DEEMON OR DAYMON DOOMON OR WATHEVER!!!STOP BEING A JERK!!!
In a title that contains "vs" implies a comparison. If you're going to be an idiot, your comparison's conclusions will be the conclusions of an idiot.
This host won't even allow the presenter to finish their sentences, he keeps interrupting. Knowing everything is not necessarily a prerequisite for a comparison, but it helps to know a little bit, not absolutely nothing like this dumb host.
Day- or Dee- mon, he's been corrected. He should respect that. STFU and you might learn something.
I love Linux (but I am a tinkerer...) but I would like to have a good hard look at the BSD family and take FreeBSD for a test drive. I have a friend who swears by it and gets annoyed at the fact that the Computer Science faculty uses Linux instead
In some ways its like comparing apples and oranges. I personally prefer FreeBSD on desktop and server environments. There are some stability advantages in Free and the linux emulation is superb so if I want to run or write code for both I can with little trouble. But my wife likes Suse because it can build your desktop and stuff for you automatically.
bsd is just super functional without all those windows-like-but-worse-looking features. it's just plain and simple and minimalistic. some people may find this *less-usable* or *old-fashion* but who cares, this is just plain super-duper personal computer experience running the best unix ever. i've used both operating systems for a long time, and well imho bsd is far superior to linux. it's just smooth.
oh come on man...just because BSD is light-weight it doesn't make it any better than linux man.this is just like saying "a ducati is better than a harley" based on their weight.
I've never used BSD but I'm gonna give it a try one of this days.
I'm OK with either FreeBSD or Linux; both operating systems have their advantages and disadvantages. I'm currently fooling around with PCBSD, which seems pretty nice. It comes pre-configured with KDE as a desktop environment, and as you may have guessed by the name, it is based on FreeBSD.
240p we meet again
gruntlover2 2 months ago 3
UNIX licensing demanded that licensees recognize the fact that they were entitled to modify UNIX to make their distributions unique supporting branding and marketing in general. Microsoft, Novell, HP and Sun Microsystems (now Oracle) all licensed UNIX from AT&T and then branded their own versions as licensed requirement. They had to refactor at a minimum -- fact; Xenix is in fact MS UNIX too - kudos.
Houndx6 5 months ago
BSD and Linux have similarities, but aanyone that knows the internals of Linux and BSD know that they are not siblings or related. Each system is an individual and unique O.S. and for those who argue the fact do so at your own risk or learn to read! Also, Microsoft used to license UNIX from AT&T ;-) You knew that though hunh?
Houndx6 5 months ago
@Houndx6 actually they made their own called Xenix
kookieless 5 months ago
it is weird how fonts look on both freebsd Linux but it looks weirder on solaris
kookieless 6 months ago
Watching this was fun! ...like rival siblings who ultimately are wishing the best for each other.
theleftflank 6 months ago
openbsd is the most secure operating system in the world. If you're really concerned about security
glowcode 6 months ago
Slackware is on more servers than people know... Linux is a comparable server operating system even when compared to freebsd...what a stupid show.
NaturalGroundation 7 months ago
Slackware > FreeBSD
NaturalGroundation 7 months ago
Slackware would have beat the hell out of freeBSD why did he choose SuSe is he trying to give Novell props or what?
NaturalGroundation 7 months ago
gotta say really most of the things that were said about linux are completely distribution-specific. If you want something to give your grandma you give her Ubuntu, to your geeky son you give Arch linux.
The only reason really I like gnu/linux better is the GPL and the philosophy behind it.
Nyocurio 9 months ago
This was a nice show. It describes lots of interesting things although mostly superficially. I'm a GNU/Linux user, but I'm so fascinated by the BSDs. That's why I'm planning to use Debian GNU/kfreebsd some time later in the future, so that I could try using the kernel but still remain for the most part in my GNU comfort zone. I just hope BSDs would be developed using the GPL license...
senantiasa 10 months ago
I think both of them are great and stable. Usually I am using Linux but that doesn't mean I don't love FreeBSD!
r3sp3c791 1 year ago
This is not a BSD vs Linux, this is BSD vs SUSE, WHICH SUX!!!!!!!
poetofdamnation 1 year ago
Nobody seems to mention that they use pretty much the same software. It's no wonder since most upstream projects are easy to build for both systems on a plethora of architectures.
hornetpalooza 1 year ago
Installation speed ? Ubuntu puts on what the FreeBSD team put on and does it easier and quicker without having to modify much of anything. HDD setup, that's common to both, after that Ubuntu asks less questions and hardware is auto detected. In a free OS shootout, Linux wins this hands down to get OS & GUI desktop up and running. Ubuntu has repositories and Synaptics to get the applications. FreeBSD ports don't have any advantages over Ubuntu repositories or 3rd party maintained apps ?
jgcamp99 1 year ago
@jgcamp99 BSD's install from source, and have binaries bolted on, linux is exactly the other way around. Not a good compare. I prefer from source, it's custom for my rig. Ubuntu is large and slow, it only has the hardware detection going for it, it's for noobs that know shit about hardware. Debian and it's apt-get is king.
lesleyhenriquez 1 year ago
@lesleyhenriquez Ubuntu is hardly big and slow, slower than BSD, yeah sure, but for the most part not really noticeably slower. There comes a day when it's overrated to have to configure hardware to get it to work. FreeBSD is like loading DOS on a PC, because the command prompt is what you wind up with until you start putting a Linux gui & apps to it for a desktop. Does it really take more than about 20 minutes to install Ubuntu after you get past the hardware selection, user setup & questions ?
jgcamp99 1 year ago
@jgcamp99
LINUX GUI? The fuck are you on?
X11 isn't even ON THE SAME LICENCE as LINUX is. So quit think that BSD is "forced" to use Linux Binary to do everyday work.
Also there are Many BSD that comes with an built-in GUI or pre-configured X as we also call it. So nothing to compare there. Just that you get some freedom and choose on whenever or not YOU want to use GUI or not.
Nothing that has to do with being "far-away" technology within the use of FreeBSD.
Since even NASA, Gov use BSD.
Snuskigaste 11 months ago
@Snuskigaste X11 is not the desktop gui that Gnome, KDE, Fluxbox or even XFCE is, it's the framework for the gui. It's window system is primitive, comparatively would you go back to using DOS in lieu of X11 even ? The video was putting a desktop gui and applications on a computer, not installing a primitive DOS looking text operating system. Besides, X11 is a port that as I recall has to be selected to install.
jgcamp99 11 months ago
@jgcamp99
Fluxbox has the same license as X11 aka MIT. Gnome has GLPL & GGPL and XFCE has BSD license and many others which are compatible with FreeBSD.
Also we are not talking about the video here in general - We are talking about how You claims that BSD is DOS both in look and performance while Ubuntu isn't.
Also Yes, X11 is a port and can be install so I don't see what you wanted to tell me there.
About livecd, FreeBSD has livecd's where you can test and run it while using a GUI.
Snuskigaste 11 months ago
@Snuskigaste Per FreeBSD's website, every download that isn't the dvd sized iso is a rescue mode. Again, the post installation tasks required to get the Gnome gui to display w/ FreeBSD is taken care of with Ubuntu. Otherwise you get a command prompt aka DOS look for Windows people. All I'm saying is Linux has made it easier to be up and running in a desktop, BSD is behind on that and catching up to at least where Linux is. Ubuntu's server version was/is intended to be gui-less just the same.
jgcamp99 11 months ago
@jgcamp99
Then again you are comparing a system that have been pre-configured just like Windows to "fit" the needs for anyone else.
Snuskigaste 11 months ago
@Snuskigaste But isn't that what the OS and application ports are supposed to be for BSD ? Ported to run on FreeBSD, just as the desktop BSD's are trying to pre-configure ? Working after any installer finishes without the post installation tasks ? The whole point of installing it was that it would work, find the hardware, connect to the internet. I could see having to configure if the IP was fixed and had to be manually done, but DHCP, the whole point of that is to be found and auto assignment.
jgcamp99 11 months ago
@jgcamp99
So you're telling me FreeBSD / *BSD isn't using DHCP for what issue?
FreeBSD isn't some wasteland dump where you get to dump whatever you want whenever you want.
It got two main sources where you can download applications.
Ports and Package.
Where as ports are Source based and Package are package based.
And why use the term "ported"?
There are apps that are only for FreeBSD as there are to linux but FreeBSD still can run them to which Linux can't run FreeBSD software.
Snuskigaste 11 months ago
@Snuskigaste And if I had to do all the post installation configurations for a desktop that FreeBSD requires for Ubuntu or any other Linux distro, any advantage BSD had over Linux is lost there. No wonder you have to get the dvd rather than just a live cdrom or usb image with it. Ubuntu, you'll be connected to the internet when it's installer is finished, BSD you have to feck with it to connect. Anyone squabbling about a second or few with multi core, several GB systems is a whiny little girl.
jgcamp99 11 months ago
@Snuskigaste As for 3rd party applications, a few of the BSD distros are even moving to the package manager maintained for Linux. Free BSD is a gui less server OS, the other BSD's are moving towards desktops. But why is that even necessary ? With all the Linux distros, this is like trying to be cool and arrive at a party when everyone else has gone home. All the hotties are already taken because others did the footwork. BSD is behind Canonical, BSD desktop is the free version of OS X.
jgcamp99 11 months ago
@jgcamp99 PCC (Portable C Compiler) is coming along nicely.
It works for most things and is still being developed by Anders Magnusson.
handofstand 11 months ago
@handofstand Godspeed on that !
jgcamp99 11 months ago
@jgcamp99 No, money and volunteers, to Mr. Magnusson. He is only so fast :)
handofstand 11 months ago
@handofstand I can feel his pain on that. I've been in that situation many times.
jgcamp99 11 months ago
@jgcamp99
Making network work in BSD is just as hard it is on Linux.
BSD isn't moving towards GUI. It's moving to optimal performance and security.
About being cool, BSD isn't known not because of it's "less-gui" style or anything more that there aren't enough enterprises who either knows or uses BSD (sure Nasa, goverments are using it, but that isn't that public).
Snuskigaste 11 months ago
@Snuskigaste BSD Network is just as easy as Linux, then why does the live cdrom in Ubuntu connect to the internet after loading ? Does it with BSD ? Linux livecd or usb stick as light as BackTrack, Knoppix & PHLAK all connect too.
BSD is most certainly moving to gui, Ghost BSD is being developed as an alternative to PCBSD, Gnome vs KDE.
Continue to use BSD, I may try Ghost as it gets better, but FreeBSD=too much work for me. I want it to install and then choose what to run on it and install.
jgcamp99 11 months ago
@jgcamp99
Sure if that's your type of enviroment - Go for it. I'm only defending the points where people claim FreeBSD lacks.
BSD will have it pre-configured for you on livecd or on a USB stick.
Again you are just look on top of what BSD / Linux is all about. GUI isn't the issue with FreeBSD - It's really more commercial usages and support (giving them drivers etc.) since it is a very powerful OS.
Since FreeBSD is made to be about choose and setup.
Ubuntu is to make it easy for you to use.
Snuskigaste 11 months ago
@Snuskigaste Trust me, I'm not a neo-luddite when it comes to OS's. I'd love for the world to move over to BSD or Linux. But then the proprietary OS's try to take over even that. The Microsofts, Apples & Oracles of the world. I really think if Ellison could sell his Oracle Linux and the rest of the corporate world would oblige and stop using Windows, that he would try to rule that world and squeeze out everyone else ?
I'll try GhostBSD, just not yet. I prefer Gnome to KDE.
jgcamp99 11 months ago
@jgcamp99
I would say that I'm not against BSD / Linux being popular but then you have to get rid of the "Free only" policy Richard Stallman tries to implant into every single Linux distro and trying to start a war against BSD.
Snuskigaste 11 months ago
@Snuskigaste I actually like Richard Stallman and his crew's GPL license when seeing the wars between the free software world versus the non-free one. On the other hand, the BSD license is like a neutral object which can be used by either side. I just don't like the idea that someone or some company could take a free software, change it a little and make people pay for it or not allow people to study the codes or freely distribute it without having to contribute to the original free software.
senantiasa 10 months ago
@Snuskigaste For now, I can't really justify dumping Ubuntu. How easy is it to install OS & any applications I want. They even got rid of the ugly poop brown theme. It's almost OS X like without a dock, but even that's changing to their own version with the Netbook Edition & Unity. Will Unity be ported over to %BSD ? And if not, that's another want that somebody is gonna covet & desire, if not a new & improved version of what Ubuntu provides. People love that dock bar of OS X's !
jgcamp99 11 months ago
@jgcamp99
Well currently I'm not sure if that will be possible since it's an Ubuntu only from what I've heard. But wayland (which is what will replace X in some years it's been told) will be ported after it's in an Release state and not Alpha.
Snuskigaste 11 months ago
@Snuskigaste GhostBSD 2 is in it's beta, from what I understand it has a gui installer that's supposed to be Ubuntu-like. Ubuntu matured well while moving into Unity. I'm using Unity on a netbook, but 10.10 is buggy, like Unity crashes and restarts itself, that's annoying. But hopefully it will be more refined and with 11.04 it's supposed to get autohide. Netbooks need all the screen real estate that the 10 inch screen has. Like with MySQL Workbench, that's designed for 1024x768, not 950x600.
jgcamp99 11 months ago
@jgcamp99 Hey, actually, in Ubuntu you can get several Mac-style dock bars. The one I'm using is Cairo Dock and I think it's the most configurable and also the prettiest. But I think it's not the most stable. There are some bugs, but I'm happy enough cuz there's not a lot of it. You can youtube it to find out more about it. There's also the Mac-style global menu for Ubuntu, which turns the desktop panel into the taskbar of all your applications. It's really cool!
senantiasa 10 months ago
Nothing they compared and spoke of had anything to do with the actual OS. All they did is coo over the UI/GUI and apps and distribution services.
fegolem 1 year ago
and the score is
Linux: 5,000,000
Free BSD: 5,000,000
Windows: -65
Tununias 1 year ago 4
couldnt watch it past the 2:10 part where he mentioned fonts. linux out of the box fonts look way better than windows and mac..
rcaddict72 1 year ago
@rcaddict72
They do now days, but I think they mentioned that the resolutions were low aswell,
GarebearShields 1 year ago
Linux FTW! Someday I'll install Free BSD too.
Tununias 1 year ago
@Tununias I tried PC-BSD , and it has a KDE GUI but it is way slower than any Linux KDE distributions I've used, and it's a memory hog . Plus PC-BSD is 3.2 GB download Hell Fedora Linux is only 675.0 MB ... Why are BSD distributions with GUI so slow and big ? I think Linux distributions makes a better desk top than BSD...
maw88ify 1 year ago
OVER 930 HUNDRED
Septagotius 1 year ago
There's nothing difficult at all about the installer. It's very interactive, unlike many linux installers (Gentoo and slackware are perfect examples)
CabbageNappa 1 year ago
freebsd is the best os in the world
wokerm 1 year ago
@wokerm Freebsd is never best. Because of BSD license. Because other steal and keep it always behind. A fact!
lin545 1 year ago
@wokerm
it is indeed one of the finest systems i have ever used
zequelll 1 year ago
I'll take Gentoo over freebsd + ports.
Ormaaj 1 year ago
it might be that im not geeky but i really find that there is no huge difference
2dumb2care 1 year ago
@2dumb2care Ubuntu :D
unrealjeff 1 year ago
@unrealjeff i used that debian, arch, susue, pclinuxos, gentooo (hard as balls to get to work), backtrack, freebsd. and they are mostly the same
2dumb2care 1 year ago
@2dumb2care There are different flavors like kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu netbook remix. have you tried those?
unrealjeff 1 year ago
@unrealjeff well yeah, i've used ubuntu for a couple of months since my windows gaming rig got fried. i used many different desktop mangers but the way the OSs work arent really that different. Other than what they come with. Ubuntu is debian + more stuff. kubuntu = ubuntu that looks like windows. the new backtrack is kubuntu + hack software. gentoo is the death of me.
2dumb2care 1 year ago
@2dumb2care you can't compare any of those distros with arch and gentoo. It's just not fair. At all.
damicore 1 year ago
FreeBSD vs Linux vs Windows vs DOS vs AmigaOS ....
how childish.
Use this what you like.
RtotheNRoMAN 1 year ago
FreeBSD not for the desktop? I'm running FreeBSD right now and using it to watch this. Granted i'm using openbox and xterm to launch/do just about everything, but that's just out of preference. I have kde installed, xfce, lxde, and gnome. All work perfectly fine.
CabbageNappa 1 year ago
just shut up.. and let the people talk
dmn1n 1 year ago
lol guh-nome
lnterp0L 1 year ago
O.S.'s I've used - SUN OS, SOLARIS, AIX, HP-UX, OPENBSD, FREEBSD, SLACKWARE, DG AVION, MS-DOS, WINDOWS 3.X/95, NT, 2000, XP, 7, DOS-VSE, MVS-JES2. Tried RedHat...SUCKS, but wvwerything else I mentioned was good.
evilunixuser1 1 year ago
I hate anti-aliased fonts.
Eldanen 1 year ago
i hope in 6 years we can get react OS to :)
cosy18 1 year ago
Oh please, no one cares about mascots.... Does it work?
RandomXUsr 1 year ago
hsot needs to be shut up now anad again
FeelItRising 1 year ago
I used to like FreeBSD over linux, but with the latest versions of linux, mainly Ubuntu, Linux can now easily take over windows for non-hardcore gamers.
eurohim 1 year ago 12
@eurohim I agree, I tried Ubuntu through Wubi and I loved it!
Tekkenfreek234 1 year ago
Been using FreeBSD since 2.2.2 but work with 1000+ Linux servers now. They're both good but for a desktop I'd go with some version of Linux.
Razorfish 1 year ago
I run linux on all four of my computers
TheMichaelBender 1 year ago 3
using arch kind of the in between of conventional linux and bsd
zequelll 2 years ago
Dam i'm a big debian based distro fan and love apt-get but freebsd looks sick and it is supposed to be really secure,but I would still prefer linux as a desktop maybe i'll try freebsd or openbsd for one of my servers
702dirtrider 2 years ago 3
you will not try, you will use it! haha freebsd is really much more secure and stable than any linux based distro
urbanxs1 1 year ago
Yeah your probably right I'am going to use BSD good looking out
702dirtrider 1 year ago
I prefer Gnome rather than KDE.
rico4u2day2 2 years ago 2
@rico4u2day2 - I prefer LXDE rather than GNOME or KDE :)
xxSwAmPxx 1 year ago
...How do I find out if my PC can run Free BSD????
clandestine1976 2 years ago
@clandestine1976 go to freebsd site and look at requirements.... durrrr
whizzydrawrapwrite 2 years ago
by going to there website and reading..
Shadowdude3356 2 years ago
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MarkoBalkan 2 years ago
Linux won even though the bsd-competitors had a mascot and one more computer expert!
toda20 2 years ago
FreeBSD is the way to go. 3 Letters
Z
F
S
wonslung 2 years ago
I hate how he's saying linux is better because of all the GUI shit...
sovietmarxist 2 years ago 34
It's just more user friendly, and better for newbies
erkakbek 2 years ago
@sovietmarxist: I guess he's trying to appeal to typical desktop users. Most desktop users don't want to do anything through the command line (even though its much faster). Both FreeBSD and Linux are Free Software so you can customize them to be whatever you want. That's what I love about Free Software. I love having complete control over my PC. Windows just can't compete. :)
LTS1287 1 year ago
@sovietmarxist
I know, if only people judged an OS as an OS, rather than just a desktop
petegiant 1 year ago
hes right, there both great.
J05hyyy 2 years ago 2
i tried to install gentoo once a few years ago, after reading dozens of manual pages and much command input i had to give up after a week of no dice.
illustriouschin 2 years ago
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noob.
Guanidia 2 years ago
faggot
illustriouschin 2 years ago
Fonts: you can use the gsfonts port and add it to your xorg/XFree86 configuration to get better looking fonts.
pegifu 2 years ago
If I could find it, I'd totally wear that Beastie costume. Hello Guavaween...
UnrelentingAssault 2 years ago
This is so outdated... :/
dsavix4 2 years ago 4
NetBSD installer is not as bad as OpenBSD installer:)
icfnord, portages in Gentoo is a NIGHTMARE!!! I would not call them superious. Heck, all those glitches for dependecy resolution, all those blocked ports?? No thanks, I'll stick with my FreeBSD ports and pkg_add
analogfantasy 2 years ago
I actually found the openbsd installer easier than installer kit or whatever most of the other bsd installers run.... :)
WretchedWinston 2 years ago
Ever try installing NetBSD? The install is a bigger nightmare than dreaming of getting a blowjob by the hottest woman to walk the earth, only finding out afterward that she was really a he.
evilunixuser1 2 years ago
Linux is the kernel, the stuff around the kernel (bash, etc) are GNU , thats why the name GNU/Linux, but linux alone is just Linux.
xtonga 2 years ago
Its funny how they try to make the linux package installer look good, linux package installers blow, freebsd ports automaticaly download and install all dependancys and updates with one command where as linux will give you errors and not install this is where bsd pwns
r4nn13 2 years ago
I think you're living in the stone age. You're forgetting about apt and yum.
bmw739 2 years ago
Ports in BSD is definitely superior compared to Aptitude or Yum. And because it's installing from source, the advantages is greater than pre-packaged binaries, though there are places for that as well. Not to mention each installation alerts you with specific dependencies to bring into your system. But that's my opinion. =)
powerinstars6 2 years ago
>> Ports in BSD is definitely superior compared to Aptitude or Yum
And yet still inferior to Portage
icfnord 2 years ago
I'll agree that RPM and APT both blow. Have a hard time though seeing how you cannot like Gentoo if you like Ports though.
icfnord 2 years ago
I like gentoo. However it takes forever to compile anything and in the end you don't get much performance boost :( that's why Linux users don't use gentoo or freebsd that much :(
untseac 2 years ago
Its not just about performance. It's also about customization and flexiblity and having a package manager that doesn't blow. Also, compiling from source is great for virtualization on xen too.
I disagree with your statement that Linux people don't like gentoo. Gentoo is still opne of the most actively developed open source project in the world, and certianly the most actively developed linux distros.
It's just geared for people who actually know what they are doing. It's not for noobs.
icfnord 2 years ago
I guess it depends on what you want. I got sick of compiling stuff.. it takes to much time :(. What I meant was that most people don't want to compile everything. Moreover sometimes the compilation fails (that's the other reason why I'm using debian now).
However, I agree portage is the best package manager for Linux out there. Also I liked the possibility of customizing. And what I liked most was that the software was always the newest available :)
untseac 2 years ago
I don't have issues with compile times anymore since I've upgraded to a newer processor. As hardware gets faster that's going to be less of an issue.
So what made you choose debian over other debian based distros like ubuntu?
icfnord 2 years ago
Ubuntu is too "auto-magic" for me. I had bad experience changing configurations manually in ubuntu. You do it ubuntu way or it will be difficult to achieve what you want (e.g. configuring ati drivers was a real pain in ubuntu :\ they don't even give us a decent xorg.conf)
Debian isn't exactly the best distro to change configurations manually (gentoo is the best one). Many times you have to use their tools to configure stuff. However, debian doesnt not use GUI based tools like ubuntu does.
untseac 2 years ago
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red devil as a friendly spirit mascot +
USA is very much into Christianity
= epic fail
mrsepek 2 years ago
besides, the FreeBSD community is full of really cool staff.. daemon guys.
uboxer 2 years ago
PC-BSD is great for windows migraters!!! It has that awsome .pbi files! And Add/Remove programs!
IAINMAN96 3 years ago
OMG i wish they call it GNU/linux.... because you know linux is nothing without GNU....
martmelee 3 years ago
Well, I read from Wikipedia that Linus Torvalds disagree with the name of "GNU/LINUX" ,, he says, because LINUX is not a GNU Proyect.. I shouldn't be called "GNU/LINUX"....
That's what I read.
KvinAlc18 3 years ago 4
It is based on the GNU-project.
Pommes1983 2 years ago
but It doesn't completely belong to the GNU-project
Still, the new version Jaunty Jacklope 9.04 is got Linux Kernel 2.6.28-11
I just I think both deserve credit........
KvinAlc18 2 years ago
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ideogon 2 years ago
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Linus is in charge of kernel development, but the userland is based on GNU apps. Since both components are necessary for a usable system, it makes sense to me to call most distributions GNU/Linux.
ideogon 2 years ago
fluxbox suxbox USE XFCE
fairyheli2 3 years ago
that's how people that don't know how to configure fluxbox say xD
rikkt0r 3 years ago 13
word
sebbeks 2 years ago
@rikkt0r
ya heh heh
zequelll 2 years ago
@rikkt0r fluxbox is a waste of time.
LemonPieLoL 1 year ago
USE WMII
somebodydc691n 2 years ago
Windows may have more programs and games.. but once you look through it, it has a BAD DESIGN and all :P
13thpersoncomedy 3 years ago
i agree completely :D
MartinStuessy 3 years ago
Very nice show!
kindyroot 3 years ago
Wow! That's the nerdiest show ever!! And i enjoyed it. Huh-huh...
mourningleaves 3 years ago
yeah I agree, a tie. Best OS's of the world - Unix and Linux.
standardkeyboard 3 years ago
probably because bsd/linux seem to be catered to what the user wants, not the wants of a company. though i have read many gripes about unix, i still like its inherent behavior more than windows. plus windows makes all users/companies practice coprophilia. have to take microsoft's shit and better like it. damn near live off it. but first pay for it, while cheerfully barking thank you sir may i have another. :'((.
mistereveready 3 years ago
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The congregation of geeks. BTW ... unix sux asz
the0we 3 years ago
The host d00d sucks balls. He just interferes in the conversation. Fucker.
techdudezz 3 years ago
That's Leo LaPorte, fool!
Bow down.
Hoopskidoodle 3 years ago
He's just moving things along. Leo Laporte is great!
bonchbonch 3 years ago
we're going to get a web browser up, play a movie and get instant messenger going?!?
special and unique?!? These are basics.
and the fonts looks fine now.
fixthejam 3 years ago
lol newbies
24oscar24 3 years ago
When it comes to installation on my laptop, I tried FreeBSD a couple of weeks ago and it flat-out would not install. Same with OpenSolaris. Fedora Linux, however, fired right up on it. Must be the hardware configuration.
It would be great to have FreeBSD running with ZFS; perhaps even better would be ZFS GPL'd!
GO OPEN SOURCE!
NipkowDisk 3 years ago 3
Are they using FreeBSD 7?
vandret 3 years ago
No. The Linux team was showing the Yatta! flash video in an old Mozilla Suite, so that puts it before 2004. Googling reveals that this episode was aired on 2 September 2003. The most recent version of FreeBSD at that time was 4.8. FreeBSD 7 was released in February 2008.
VCat2006 3 years ago 4
both good os
thegreatestg 3 years ago
their is no versus her
cassano2012 3 years ago 2
I love Linux, never tried BSD but im downloading it now to test it :), But i like Mac OS X allot better than any other OS because im a graphic designer :)
FUCK WINDOWS!!!
dannybellako 3 years ago 7
lol, you should try pc-bsd XD
ciclopropano 3 years ago 4
If I'm not mistaken, Mac is FreeBSD derived.
StrangeToMe 3 years ago
no it isn't
jokeersuper 3 years ago 6
Mac OS X is based on BSD smartass haha
dannybellako 3 years ago
The kernel has some components of it that are from FreeBSD.
pandaSmore 3 years ago
NextStep is the actual precursor to Mac OS. NextStep and FreeBSD are both derived off of the original Berkely Distribution (4.3 BSd actually). Nowadays a lot of code is shared between the Mac OS and FreeBSD (amongst others) projects and it would be incorrect to say the Mac is FreeBSD derived.
dapodix 3 years ago
Faggot. Windows is teh shit. You are an 13 yeard boy that think you know all about computers. Even if you are a Graphic designer, no graphic designer are know muth about OS if you haven't done with the BSD. Mac OS X are shit.
jokeersuper 3 years ago
hahahaha, 1st of all im not 13 ;), 2nd i don't know every thing about computers and i never said that ;), 3rd Windows is one of the worst OS a have ever used in my LIFE!!!, 4th Mac OS X is the best OS for GFX ;), if u don't agree...ask any graphic designer, and finally FUCK YOU and your fucking Windows!!! "y si entiendes espa~ol kbron mala tuya, me cago en tu fukin pai y tu mai hijueputa!!!, y marikon es el pai tuyo con tu abuelo tambn KBRON jaja"
dannybellako 3 years ago
i hate windows myself. if i could i'd completely leave it. yes windows is the shit. it has trouble mounting partitions to folders, it has frequent crashes, demands constant admin attention, is absolutely anal about whether or not you're "stealing", loads EVERYTHING possible allowing attackers to take advantage of all the well programed services ms offers. ooo i just love windows and its bullying. bloatware at a charge.
mistereveready 3 years ago 3
haha bang on mate
jackmileshunt 3 years ago
Windows is the worst operating system that i have ever encountered, i switched to Mac OSX about a year ago and love it, NO CRASHING, NO POXY FUCKING BLUE SCREENS. i have used ubuntu, and it is also very stable, about to try freeBSD with KDE desktop environment, FUCK WINDOWS, its so unreliable, the kernel is botched beyond belief, and by the way you are the one who does not know what he is on about (jokeersuper), also learn to SPELL
jackmileshunt 3 years ago
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you've probably never gotten a bsod windows is the best i've used it for 10 years and i've only seen two (my fault, not windows) i got a mac cause i was curious and i got 4 kernel panics mac sucks
linux sucks too i used it for a week and it crashed 5 times windows ftw
win4ever123 3 years ago
i bought a brand new dell laptop the other year, i switched it on and it fucking blue screened!! and if unix based system (BSD, OSX, LINUX) are so shit, how comes they run the vast majority of the web servers in existence. Also macs kick windows's ass at music production.
jackmileshunt 3 years ago
depends. i've gotten many. primarily to driver troubles, and other times just a sudden "you're fucked" no warning, didnt touch anything tragedy. what is even more delightful is when it has caught me while transferring files between drives. the joy of integrity checking 2 discs. to me windows has 2 purposes, to play my games, and to play as a honey pot for experimentation. but hey glad it works for you. linux and bsd arent perfect either, but cost much less with less drm and bs.
mistereveready 3 years ago
Than you are saying that OS X is responsible for the ease of working with graphical designs when in fact it is much more about the softwares you run.
gecmartins 3 years ago
After using GNU/Linux on a desktop and home server level for about 8 months, I fell in love with it and am happy there is a good alternative to Windows. GNU/Linux is far better than Windows in so many ways. However, after recently trying OpenBSD and FreeBSD, I have fallen in love with the Berkeley UNIX distros. They feel much more stable and robust. Linux (especially old-school distros like Slackware and Debian) is stable as a rock, but I trust BSD much more for servers and networking.
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pi77 3 years ago
Wow, very impressive! Dumbass. com
simontam777 3 years ago 2
I'm a Linux fan, but I like to experiment with BSD. There are easier ones to use, like DesktopBSD and PC-BSD, but FreeBSD offers more support. The only thing that BSD needs to improve is thier Adobe Flash compatibility. Currently, I believe they only support Flash player 7. This makes it harder to view videos online on certain websites that require Flash 9. Other than that, I think BSD is a good OS.
eqspec76 3 years ago
Well that's because adobe don't support freebsd, not because freebsd doesn't support adobe.
Borbuster 3 years ago 4
The host sounds like a noob trying too hard to use the lingo. He isn't giving much time for the people to talk. He just said apt-get on FreeBSD; good thing the FBSD guys were gracious enough to say "Yeah, something like that." The host was a moron, and the title of the show was BS. Both OSes are awesome!
By the way, the noobs always call Beastie "deemon". The host needs to be educated and he's been corrected countless time on this episode "day-mon".
haloflightleader 3 years ago
You knkow is beacuse of GEEKS like you that people think linux and BSD are hard...YOU DO NOT HAVE TO KONOW EVERY SINGLE THING ABOUTA TOOL (in this case the OS) to USE IT!! Shut up looser!
PS: LET THE GUY SAY DEAMON OR DEEMON OR DAYMON DOOMON OR WATHEVER!!!STOP BEING A JERK!!!
PedrinhoHCB 3 years ago 2
In a title that contains "vs" implies a comparison. If you're going to be an idiot, your comparison's conclusions will be the conclusions of an idiot.
This host won't even allow the presenter to finish their sentences, he keeps interrupting. Knowing everything is not necessarily a prerequisite for a comparison, but it helps to know a little bit, not absolutely nothing like this dumb host.
Day- or Dee- mon, he's been corrected. He should respect that. STFU and you might learn something.
haloflightleader 3 years ago
i use linux ... bsd hangs up (i think it's becuz my motherboard) :(
kaiomatico 3 years ago
I love Linux (but I am a tinkerer...) but I would like to have a good hard look at the BSD family and take FreeBSD for a test drive. I have a friend who swears by it and gets annoyed at the fact that the Computer Science faculty uses Linux instead
TheRealFallenDemon 3 years ago 2
FreeBSD FTW!
pcfxer 4 years ago 3
In some ways its like comparing apples and oranges. I personally prefer FreeBSD on desktop and server environments. There are some stability advantages in Free and the linux emulation is superb so if I want to run or write code for both I can with little trouble. But my wife likes Suse because it can build your desktop and stuff for you automatically.
FreeBSDude 4 years ago 3
FreeBSD is the most robust,advanced,stable and scalable OS
maxx666mayhem 4 years ago 6
bsd is just super functional without all those windows-like-but-worse-looking features. it's just plain and simple and minimalistic. some people may find this *less-usable* or *old-fashion* but who cares, this is just plain super-duper personal computer experience running the best unix ever. i've used both operating systems for a long time, and well imho bsd is far superior to linux. it's just smooth.
fuentes83 4 years ago 7
Hell Yeah!
maxx666mayhem 4 years ago 2
f*ckin good said!
meph1st 3 years ago
oh come on man...just because BSD is light-weight it doesn't make it any better than linux man.this is just like saying "a ducati is better than a harley" based on their weight.
I've never used BSD but I'm gonna give it a try one of this days.
carlosdevil666 3 years ago
I'm OK with either FreeBSD or Linux; both operating systems have their advantages and disadvantages. I'm currently fooling around with PCBSD, which seems pretty nice. It comes pre-configured with KDE as a desktop environment, and as you may have guessed by the name, it is based on FreeBSD.
LuminolBlue 4 years ago