Sure - its all scientific and psychological. chemical reactions and words. concepts and reality. However, not everyone has the SAME reality. if we did, this would be really messed up. I actually enjoy science, psychology and sociology - it's provided to us so many good things! and yes, time is a concept, a convenient concept.
@VenusSatanas thanks for watching, saves me alot of typing. So, how does the belief in other gods differ from believing satan is real? and how can u be certain your experience is real & not a trick of the brain? we are all susceptible to this experience. the subconscious doesnt like to feel its alone inside there. i really am curious. i can turn the spiritual switch on and feel presences, but its still not verifiable. evidence means immoratlity, which i want more than anything. hook me up
@TheAist - ok, i would really enjoy exploring these concepts with you in a video response. i think this conversation could be very interesting. i will let you know when my video is uploaded. thank you
@TheAist - yes,i will..i just didn't appreciate the barrage of comments on that video which were off topic and causing arguments in the comments. I don't want arguments..i prefer civil discussion or even philosophical argument rather than fighting. Also i don't mind discussing these things with you. There are a variety of opinions on this subject. I don't mind clarifying where I was coming from in that original video, and I can do that without attacking anyone's opinions or beliefs.
Sorry hang on I think your understanding of phenomenon and noumenon is a little screwy.
The nounema is that which we cannot know, but we receive all of our phenomena from.
So objects existing in space and time and in relation to one another, sound taste smell, these are all phenomena. The numena is the thing in itself that exists regardless of our perception of it.
Ah yes, I'm using it in a strictly Kantian sense but it appears Plato and Aristotle had also used the term "nounema" for something different. My mistake.
Yes, there are two realities going on here. The reality of the physical world which is observed and experienced by more than one person, the shared reality. Then there is the inner reality, the reality that a single individual lives in every moment which either exists as thoughts in the mind's eye or as physical events experienced by the single individual that cannot otherwise be validated by another witness.
First, subatomically speaking, all matter is made of waves of information, clouds of probability, with no location and no mass which only particulate (choosing a location and collapsing into a form out of an infinite number of possible forms) when observed. Thoughts physically exist in the body as innumerable electrochemical processes, are therefore matter and are made of the same thing as all other matter, and in this way the individual reality is just as physically valid as the shared reality.
Second, neurologically (and subatomically) speaking, the physical world is made of information and infinite probabilities and your body collects this information, encrypts it as electrochemical processes, which the brain receives, discarding most of the information available, and then decrypts and translates this information into a symbol, such as a color, smell, etc. which is then presented to the awareness that is “seated” in the body.
When the brain thinks a thought, for example when someone is shown a blue ball, then the ball is taken away and the person is asked to think about the ball, the exact same neural processes occur as if the ball were actually present in the shared reality, even though this thought was only experienced by a single individual awareness. So to the brain, there is no difference between imagined reality and physical reality.
Also, physical reality is never directly experienced, it is translated and symbolized, but never directly physically experienced. In fact, even on a molecular level, nothing ever actually touches anything else. So literally, thoughts are just as real as physical reality, or more importantly, physical reality is as unreal and abstract as thoughts.
Thirdly, all of existence is sort of an infinite holographic torus vortex of information, consisting of infinite possibilities, infinite dimensions, infinite perspectives and infinite experiences which all exist all at once, and there is actually no space or time except as it is experienced by consciousness, but it is only an idea within consciousness.
There is nothing outside of consciousness, it is what there is and it is all that there is and any one part of it is just as real and valid as any other part of it.
@whymewhyherewhynow there is no ultimate judge, who is talking about an ultimate judge? why is that even necessary? what is real is matter and energy. the consciousness can think of things that do not exist...thus, the video. Where's my centaur?
@whymewhyherewhynow i just checked back here, i dont know wht these comments are under each one specifically, but on my page, the seem to be listed in reverse order...if that helps any.
@whymewhyherewhynow thats just ridiculous, everything outside of my brain is outside of my consciousness. there are infinite planets and stars, sands in the desert, all...not in my consciousness, yet do exist.
@TheAist It isn't ny more ridiculous than thinking the world is round. Science has shown that the physical world is not physical at all, but a sea of information made of probabilities, which includes your very body, that only manifests as symbolic representation under conscious observation. This means that everything in the physical world is actually virtual, much like everything in an FPS video game appears to be 3D but is actually a 2D image flowing before the player.
@TheAist There are infinite possibilities, there would have to be for anything to be possible at all. All of existence includes everything in existence, it includes dreams, thoughts, and everything empirical as well. If they did not exist, we woul not be capable of experiencing them.
@TheAist If you want to disagree with FACTS, I don't know what to tell you. It is a scientific fact that nothing actually touches, even as macroscopically as the molcular level.
@whymewhyherewhynow that isnt a fact, not everything exists on a molecular level, i touch things all the time, so do you. if you want to disagree with facts, i dont know what to tell you. Be for real
@TheAist No, nothing actually touches. You do't actually touch anything. And I think maybe this debate is a bit intellectually out of your league. Sorry to bother you.
@TheAist Thoughts are a part of existence, a huge part. They are included in existence. You may not see a centaur in physical reality, but its conception within existence means it exists as a possibility within existence, as a probability that is just as valid as any probability, including that which DOES manage to manifest as physical reality. The centaur exists in the 5th dimension of probabilities, and is not manifesting because the choices and manifestations made from the begining of time
@TheAist until now steered the manifested physical reality away from producing a centaur in the now. However, according to the many worlds interpretation of M-theory in quantum physics, and according to the logic that dictates potential probabilities are as real as manifest ones, centaurs do exist in the infinite alternate dimensions that have split off from every choice that has been made since the conception of the universe we inhabit.
@whymewhyherewhynow if you really believe that, i have to think you're concept of "logic" is flawed. i dont want to be insulting, as you have shown an ability to regurgitate "facts", but really, that shit is WAY WAY out there, and if you really believe that, i suggest not studying "reality" anymore. Ive already agreed the idea of a centaur exists, but it doesnt exist in any 5th dimension or any other crazy shit like that. Cmon, we are talking about reality here, or at least i am.
@whymewhyherewhynow tho our experience is in our brains, doesnt mean that the outside world isnt real, it exists independently of our thought. it existed before humans existed ans will be here long after we're gone.
@TheAist Actually, the "outside" world is entirely dependant on consciousness to exist, according to quatum physics. The outside world is manifested only when it interacts with consciousness, according to the double slit experiement. Even on a macrocosmic scale, the experiment is temporally retroactive. Starlight does not choose a path traveled to Earth until it is observed by consciousness and chooses a path it has taken in the past.
@TheAist We alo create time. Consciousness creates space time. Physical reality IS real on the level of our experience, much like dreams are. However, without consciousness, there would be no reality to experience.
@TheAist I will continue with the debate when you are academically prepared to defend your stance. Sorry, but dismissing science as "silliness" is not a counter point nor an argument backing up your point of veiw. No offense.
@zarkoff45 i know the concept of the map is notthe territory, but i never heard of tht guy. maybe i have, im bad with names. it sems familiar, but i dont know what to tie it too.
Korzybski wrote "Science and Sanity." He was a philosopher of science and influenced a lot of people.
You're talking about his ideas. Our ideas about reality are not the reality we think about. Reading him may help you express these ideas in a clearer way.
@cozmikzen you are a gift to the blind and the willing, those willing to give up on analytical thought i mean, because most people really don't get it hardly anybody bothers to even conceive this notion let alone exercise some form of critical thought to maybe peer further into it and so you must continue on with you're great work love your vids and especially your attitude, no holds bar. I feel ancient wisdom being channeled here,..hypecia, jordano bruno, let us not forget
It's unfortunate that you invested this much time into such an obvious arguement. If you can't differentiate between reality and thought, then it's time to hang up on life. What is the point of this ? To state the obvious ?
its good you are past this stage, but surprisingly the majority of humans are not, or havent you noticed? Perhaps I should sic the solipstics on ya :)
i thought like you, this was obvious and a good place to start.
well, i think you misunderstood me from the beginning. Try re-watching it, and know, the senses are the buffer between phenom & nuonomena. our cognition is our nuomena, there is no escaping it, except death or brain damage. thats why its important to be able to distinguish concept from reality. it increases understanding within the nuomena
im not saying that. you cant have any experience without cognition.
how this relates to enlightenment is, being about to distinguish concept from reality. if you cant differentiate, then your judgment of what is real is biased by conception.
Great video man. Both you and I seem to be moving somewhat more away from Idealism and closer to Realism with time..That being said there still importance of acknowledging the profound alteration of reality by biases, perspective and the conscious and subconscious mind. Most people never think for a second about how their mind shapes their experience of phenomenon. There's definitely a sweet spot in between idealism and realism. Like with most psuedo-dichotomies
Thanks. This seemed like a good starting point. The next video will be answering Cashify's response to this video. i think he missed the point entirely. He made a good response, but...totally missed the point.
Thanks for sharing your beliefs, I really enjoyed listening. I am wondering from within this paradigm of yours, what role does emotion play. Interesting stuff; cheers.
glad you liked it, im not sure if i would label it belief tho. emotions are electrochemical responses made in the brain. they develop based on input. i think the brain craves virtue, but in many cases learn incorrectly causing bad behavior. emotions, i think are opinions. i think they should be considered, but i think they are secondary, or should be secondary to reason. i dont know if thats possible tho, so many are on emotion autopilot.
love this vid, make tons of sense. it's funny how we just brush these ideas of becuase they are so normal or everyday to us. im sure you will get some religious mumbo jumbo refuting this, but like you said as long as they are nice.lo.
i would describe blue asa shorter wave form in the optical range. i would describe loud as being an increased intensity of sound waves, resulting in larger vibration and a higher decibel level.
sure, there needs to be understanding, the point is their "reality" or anyone's reality its neccesarily in tune with the physical universe. if it was, someone would be all knowing. no one can be all knowing, but we can learn things. its important to differentiate between thoughts & what is actual.
I include my own explainations of God when I say; These are highly lacking explainations of the experience. I guess, to me, it's like, you can explain anything to me, but until I experience it, I won't really know what it's like.
i dont think these explainations would be lacking to the blind and deaf, they will never be able to experience them as we do, and the explainations i provided, especially wave forms of color, are actual descriptions. if they can understand sound waves, they can understand optical waves.
in the other example, a more intense slap would carry the physical qualities of actual louder sound waves. obviously i would have more than 500 characters to expand on it as well
I think the understandings of current physics indicates that time may indeed be an an actually existing force or entity, though I do not understand the theories well enough to be sure if they really do indicate this. Experientially, though, it does appear to me that time does not actually exist.
Time not being constant is a major factor causing time to appear to me as possibly more than a mere concept.. Perhaps one could still describe it as merely a convention of describing properties by shorthand, I'm not sure at all.
I think there's also something at the quantum scale that blew my mind... but I forget what it was now. :p
How does the non-existence of time follow from it being infinite in all directions?
if time is eternal, no beginning, no end, then there is only in between. i dont deny the conception of the sequence of events, but where can you touch time? or point at it?
i do think time has some describable properties. time-space, gravity wells, space time distortion, but in all cases, its our concept of reality, unlike other detectors, scopes, scanners, there is nothing that measures time. a solar system is a measure of gravity, we apply time. its only in our observation, we cant take it out
im not suggesting that we can percieve of ourselves outside our own perception, i think thats impossible. but, we can look at other people, other situations, situations in which we are not a part of at all, except as an outside observer.
what gets me about time is that it is neither matter nor energy, we can only measure its passing, as opposed to mass/ matter & waves/energy. it seems to be real, but elusive.
Actually, when I hear creationists speak I just here blah blah blah, is it me or them who has the problem?
Seriously, apes specially the bonobos have their own language, they really do show where we came from.
Tower of Babel, god must be pissed because he separated mans tongue so we wont build a tower and try and dethrone him LOL. Do you know whats happened, those naughty scientists have developed sun glasses that translate other languages to your own, such a disgrace.
Its for real, a computer chip in these glasses translate the other persons language straight into ones ear! application known as lecture translation (informally). Its still be worked on but as science evolves we will get this very nice piece of equipment sooner rather than later.
i think there is a distinction. phenomenon would happen if no people existed. noumenon is the sum of our own experience. there's no escaping it, except for death. i used to be a fan of kant. i still like some of his ideas, but im past more of them. no doubt he influenced me when i was younger.
Good vid. Just wanted to point out that not all things in the universe are matter/energy. There are the four fundamental forces. Weak nuclear, strong nuclear, electromagnetic and gravity. And before someone says it, forces != energy.
all energy comes from the 4 forces, that we know about. energy is neither created nor destroyed.
all things in the universe are either matter or energy, there are no exceptions. i dont know why you dont think force doesnt equal energy, except for maybe semantics, all physic i have read about or heard lectures on equate forces and energy (shrugs)
either way, this is philosophy 101 not physics 101, they only give me 10 minutes yknow :)
Force is not the same as energy. This is one thing my physics lecturers drummed into us.
"all things in the universe are either matter or energy"
Sorry, but that is not correct. Force does no work unless the system is free to move along the direction the force is applied. Example, you lean against a wall. Unless the wall moves, falls over or whatever, there is force but no energy. Force is a component of energy, but it is not energy itself.
the force carriers are still matter and energy. and the example you used for the wall, is an example of potential energy as opposed to kinetic energy which would be working. like i said, i think its just semantics. at some point matter and energy are interchangable. saying force isnt the same as energy is similar to saying sub atomic particles are not matter, which they are, well, most of them. electrons, maybe gravitons are energy.
No, they are not. Fermions(quarks, hadrons, etc) are mass/energy particles, not force carriers. Have a look into QM for the distinction. It's not a matter of semantics; it a matter of physics. Energy and matter are interchangeable (e = mc²), I never said they weren't, but the distinction I'm making is that matter/energy(fermions) are NOT the same as force carriers. Force carriers are the wavelike communications between fermions.
Some force carriers have mass, and therefore energy, like the W & Z bosons, but some are massless like photons, gluons and gauge bosons.
"saying force isnt the same as energy is similar to saying sub atomic particles are not matter"
Umm, no. This is so wrong I'm not sure where to start. Even high school physics will tell you that force is not energy. They are too different, but related phenomenon.
If you argument is contingent on the conflation of force and energy, you're going to have to do some research to repair it because matter and energy are not the only things in the universe.
Electrons are fermions, matter particles, Gravitons are force carriers. The graviton is a massless particle - Mass 0Gev/c², electric charge 0. Neither mass nor energy.
You lose 1 star for cutting off that great guitar riff the beginning of the video.
It's easy to point to some physical quantity (ex. your fingers) to explain the concept of numbers. I'm somewhat perplexed trying to think of a way to point to a negative amount of something. ("Please hold up -3 fingers.")
Yes, the world looks much cooler when you manage to stop covering it in symbols all the time. On the other hand, learning to use new sets of symbols (and translate from one one set to another) can help to broaden one's understanding of things.
Thanks, I contemplate and try to build on whats happened before. I'm trying to help free thinkers. I tried to help the religious...and still do, but they are mean and flag me, so...fuck them. why preach to the choir? i want to evolve the YT experience.
I thought up the title in the last minute, thought it would be a good precursor.
This was beautiful! You need to keep saying this in as many different ways as possible to as many different people as possible. Hopefully you will reach at least a few people. And really, what more can you ask for?
Thanks. I'm going to build a philosophy from the ground up. i hope it will help people. most my viewers are free thinkers now. I thought i would start making useful videos for free thinkers. I can send religious folks to my ning site.
Did u check out the link, its the religious continuation of this video.
I rather like this actually. It allows for religious experiences but suggest we must keep them in perspective and not take them as literal objective truths but simply as experiences the brain produces. This doesn't mean they can't be useful (time, numbers etc.), but that we ought not proect them onto everyone or every thing or make a dogma based around it.
checkout the link in the description box. its a continuation on this theme applied to religion. you might change your mind. i hope not and i hope so at the same time!
ok, i watched it, all 3 parts. i thought it was very interesting. for the most part i agree with him. i do think our experience is contained within our brain. But i do think there are ways to overcome the "observation barrier". There is no contradiction. We cross reference observation for higher accuracy and verifications. we can be aware of our own observations, or we couldnt be talking about it.
Sure - its all scientific and psychological. chemical reactions and words. concepts and reality. However, not everyone has the SAME reality. if we did, this would be really messed up. I actually enjoy science, psychology and sociology - it's provided to us so many good things! and yes, time is a concept, a convenient concept.
VenusSatanas 11 months ago
@VenusSatanas thanks for watching, saves me alot of typing. So, how does the belief in other gods differ from believing satan is real? and how can u be certain your experience is real & not a trick of the brain? we are all susceptible to this experience. the subconscious doesnt like to feel its alone inside there. i really am curious. i can turn the spiritual switch on and feel presences, but its still not verifiable. evidence means immoratlity, which i want more than anything. hook me up
TheAist 11 months ago
@TheAist - ok, i would really enjoy exploring these concepts with you in a video response. i think this conversation could be very interesting. i will let you know when my video is uploaded. thank you
VenusSatanas 8 months ago
@VenusSatanas Also, could you please unblock me? I promise to behave.
TheAist 8 months ago
@TheAist - yes,i will..i just didn't appreciate the barrage of comments on that video which were off topic and causing arguments in the comments. I don't want arguments..i prefer civil discussion or even philosophical argument rather than fighting. Also i don't mind discussing these things with you. There are a variety of opinions on this subject. I don't mind clarifying where I was coming from in that original video, and I can do that without attacking anyone's opinions or beliefs.
VenusSatanas 8 months ago
@VenusSatanas Thanks, I appreciate it :)
TheAist 8 months ago
Sorry hang on I think your understanding of phenomenon and noumenon is a little screwy.
The nounema is that which we cannot know, but we receive all of our phenomena from.
So objects existing in space and time and in relation to one another, sound taste smell, these are all phenomena. The numena is the thing in itself that exists regardless of our perception of it.
SecularNumanist 11 months ago
@SecularNumanist well, i just googled it, and if you read the 1st paragraph it is actually a mixture of what you said and what i said. 2 meanings.
TheAist 11 months ago
@TheAist
Ah yes, I'm using it in a strictly Kantian sense but it appears Plato and Aristotle had also used the term "nounema" for something different. My mistake.
SecularNumanist 11 months ago
manamna, doo doo doo doo, manamna! doo doodoodoo! manamna! doo doo doo doo doo. doo doo doo. doodoodoo, doo doo doo, doo!
Nagneto 1 year ago
@Nagneto i think its phenomena...funny tho, i didnt get it at first, but it just hit my like a brick hours later.
TheAist 1 year ago
Yes, there are two realities going on here. The reality of the physical world which is observed and experienced by more than one person, the shared reality. Then there is the inner reality, the reality that a single individual lives in every moment which either exists as thoughts in the mind's eye or as physical events experienced by the single individual that cannot otherwise be validated by another witness.
whymewhyherewhynow 1 year ago
First, subatomically speaking, all matter is made of waves of information, clouds of probability, with no location and no mass which only particulate (choosing a location and collapsing into a form out of an infinite number of possible forms) when observed. Thoughts physically exist in the body as innumerable electrochemical processes, are therefore matter and are made of the same thing as all other matter, and in this way the individual reality is just as physically valid as the shared reality.
whymewhyherewhynow 1 year ago
Second, neurologically (and subatomically) speaking, the physical world is made of information and infinite probabilities and your body collects this information, encrypts it as electrochemical processes, which the brain receives, discarding most of the information available, and then decrypts and translates this information into a symbol, such as a color, smell, etc. which is then presented to the awareness that is “seated” in the body.
whymewhyherewhynow 1 year ago
When the brain thinks a thought, for example when someone is shown a blue ball, then the ball is taken away and the person is asked to think about the ball, the exact same neural processes occur as if the ball were actually present in the shared reality, even though this thought was only experienced by a single individual awareness. So to the brain, there is no difference between imagined reality and physical reality.
whymewhyherewhynow 1 year ago
Also, physical reality is never directly experienced, it is translated and symbolized, but never directly physically experienced. In fact, even on a molecular level, nothing ever actually touches anything else. So literally, thoughts are just as real as physical reality, or more importantly, physical reality is as unreal and abstract as thoughts.
whymewhyherewhynow 1 year ago
Thirdly, all of existence is sort of an infinite holographic torus vortex of information, consisting of infinite possibilities, infinite dimensions, infinite perspectives and infinite experiences which all exist all at once, and there is actually no space or time except as it is experienced by consciousness, but it is only an idea within consciousness.
whymewhyherewhynow 1 year ago
There is nothing outside of consciousness, it is what there is and it is all that there is and any one part of it is just as real and valid as any other part of it.
whymewhyherewhynow 1 year ago
So then who is the ultimate judge of what is real and what is not real?
whymewhyherewhynow 1 year ago
@whymewhyherewhynow there is no ultimate judge, who is talking about an ultimate judge? why is that even necessary? what is real is matter and energy. the consciousness can think of things that do not exist...thus, the video. Where's my centaur?
TheAist 1 year ago
@whymewhyherewhynow i just checked back here, i dont know wht these comments are under each one specifically, but on my page, the seem to be listed in reverse order...if that helps any.
TheAist 1 year ago
@whymewhyherewhynow thats just ridiculous, everything outside of my brain is outside of my consciousness. there are infinite planets and stars, sands in the desert, all...not in my consciousness, yet do exist.
TheAist 1 year ago
@TheAist It isn't ny more ridiculous than thinking the world is round. Science has shown that the physical world is not physical at all, but a sea of information made of probabilities, which includes your very body, that only manifests as symbolic representation under conscious observation. This means that everything in the physical world is actually virtual, much like everything in an FPS video game appears to be 3D but is actually a 2D image flowing before the player.
whymewhyherewhynow 1 year ago
@whymewhyherewhynow we've already determine there is no infinite possibilities, something can not both be and not be at the same time.
TheAist 1 year ago
@TheAist There are infinite possibilities, there would have to be for anything to be possible at all. All of existence includes everything in existence, it includes dreams, thoughts, and everything empirical as well. If they did not exist, we woul not be capable of experiencing them.
whymewhyherewhynow 1 year ago
@whymewhyherewhynow i totally disagree with that. things touch, even subatomic particles.
TheAist 1 year ago
@TheAist If you want to disagree with FACTS, I don't know what to tell you. It is a scientific fact that nothing actually touches, even as macroscopically as the molcular level.
whymewhyherewhynow 1 year ago
@whymewhyherewhynow that isnt a fact, not everything exists on a molecular level, i touch things all the time, so do you. if you want to disagree with facts, i dont know what to tell you. Be for real
TheAist 1 year ago
@TheAist No, nothing actually touches. You do't actually touch anything. And I think maybe this debate is a bit intellectually out of your league. Sorry to bother you.
whymewhyherewhynow 1 year ago
@whymewhyherewhynow i cant agree with that unless you can produce a centaur for me to ride on, talk to, take stats on.
TheAist 1 year ago
@whymewhyherewhynow ok, i can agree with all that
TheAist 1 year ago
@whymewhyherewhynow sure, but that doesnt mean you can think a centaur into existence.
TheAist 1 year ago
@TheAist Thoughts are a part of existence, a huge part. They are included in existence. You may not see a centaur in physical reality, but its conception within existence means it exists as a possibility within existence, as a probability that is just as valid as any probability, including that which DOES manage to manifest as physical reality. The centaur exists in the 5th dimension of probabilities, and is not manifesting because the choices and manifestations made from the begining of time
whymewhyherewhynow 1 year ago
@whymewhyherewhynow might i suggest for you...religion.
TheAist 1 year ago
@TheAist until now steered the manifested physical reality away from producing a centaur in the now. However, according to the many worlds interpretation of M-theory in quantum physics, and according to the logic that dictates potential probabilities are as real as manifest ones, centaurs do exist in the infinite alternate dimensions that have split off from every choice that has been made since the conception of the universe we inhabit.
whymewhyherewhynow 1 year ago
@whymewhyherewhynow if you really believe that, i have to think you're concept of "logic" is flawed. i dont want to be insulting, as you have shown an ability to regurgitate "facts", but really, that shit is WAY WAY out there, and if you really believe that, i suggest not studying "reality" anymore. Ive already agreed the idea of a centaur exists, but it doesnt exist in any 5th dimension or any other crazy shit like that. Cmon, we are talking about reality here, or at least i am.
TheAist 1 year ago
@whymewhyherewhynow tho our experience is in our brains, doesnt mean that the outside world isnt real, it exists independently of our thought. it existed before humans existed ans will be here long after we're gone.
TheAist 1 year ago
@TheAist Actually, the "outside" world is entirely dependant on consciousness to exist, according to quatum physics. The outside world is manifested only when it interacts with consciousness, according to the double slit experiement. Even on a macrocosmic scale, the experiment is temporally retroactive. Starlight does not choose a path traveled to Earth until it is observed by consciousness and chooses a path it has taken in the past.
whymewhyherewhynow 1 year ago
@whymewhyherewhynow (face palm) i dont even know how to respond to such silliness
TheAist 1 year ago
@TheAist We alo create time. Consciousness creates space time. Physical reality IS real on the level of our experience, much like dreams are. However, without consciousness, there would be no reality to experience.
whymewhyherewhynow 1 year ago
@whymewhyherewhynow Thats rubbish too. if you are not pissed of at me already, i suggest the next video in this line of thought
watch?v=0XPL6eUm60g
TheAist 1 year ago
@TheAist I will continue with the debate when you are academically prepared to defend your stance. Sorry, but dismissing science as "silliness" is not a counter point nor an argument backing up your point of veiw. No offense.
whymewhyherewhynow 1 year ago
@whymewhyherewhynow im all about some science, but not quasi-scientific-religio-assumption
TheAist 1 year ago
@Guitarrosaurusrex thanks, nice of you to notice. i play guitar too
TheAist 1 year ago
@Guitarrosaurusrex oh boy....another guitarist?
TheAist 1 year ago
Have you never heard the term "the map is not the territory" or of Alfred Korzybski?
zarkoff45 1 year ago
@zarkoff45 i know the concept of the map is notthe territory, but i never heard of tht guy. maybe i have, im bad with names. it sems familiar, but i dont know what to tie it too.
TheAist 1 year ago
@TheAist "...never heard of that guy."
Korzybski wrote "Science and Sanity." He was a philosopher of science and influenced a lot of people.
You're talking about his ideas. Our ideas about reality are not the reality we think about. Reading him may help you express these ideas in a clearer way.
zarkoff45 1 year ago
@zarkoff45 thanks, i'll check him out
TheAist 1 year ago
There is a concept of empty space in some of our heads. But you don’t know if it only exists there.
TerrierBram 1 year ago
@cozmikzen you are a gift to the blind and the willing, those willing to give up on analytical thought i mean, because most people really don't get it hardly anybody bothers to even conceive this notion let alone exercise some form of critical thought to maybe peer further into it and so you must continue on with you're great work love your vids and especially your attitude, no holds bar. I feel ancient wisdom being channeled here,..hypecia, jordano bruno, let us not forget
1980albatros 1 year ago 2
@1980albatros Thanks!
TheAist 1 year ago
It's unfortunate that you invested this much time into such an obvious arguement. If you can't differentiate between reality and thought, then it's time to hang up on life. What is the point of this ? To state the obvious ?
Sloot20 2 years ago
its good you are past this stage, but surprisingly the majority of humans are not, or havent you noticed? Perhaps I should sic the solipstics on ya :)
i thought like you, this was obvious and a good place to start.
TheAist 2 years ago
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guitaraxe84 2 years ago
well, i think you misunderstood me from the beginning. Try re-watching it, and know, the senses are the buffer between phenom & nuonomena. our cognition is our nuomena, there is no escaping it, except death or brain damage. thats why its important to be able to distinguish concept from reality. it increases understanding within the nuomena
TheAist 2 years ago
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guitaraxe84 2 years ago
yep, that is a contradiction, and im not saying that at all.
TheAist 2 years ago
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guitaraxe84 2 years ago
instead of defining enlightenment, because there are many levels of understanding, its easier to say what it isnt.
the point is to weed out false concepts from the nuomena.
this certainly isnt the only step in enlightenment, this is 1 of the 1st steps.
TheAist 2 years ago
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guitaraxe84 2 years ago
im not saying that. you cant have any experience without cognition.
how this relates to enlightenment is, being about to distinguish concept from reality. if you cant differentiate, then your judgment of what is real is biased by conception.
TheAist 2 years ago
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guitaraxe84 2 years ago
no, i wouyldnt say that. i would say the senses are what is between phenomena and nuomena.
your cognition is your nuomena.
TheAist 2 years ago
cool runnin ,dude:-)
Gaus212 2 years ago
Thanks, back at ya! :)
TheAist 2 years ago
either way, i hope it helped!
TheAist 2 years ago
Thanks, i just shot a continuation. it should be up in a day or so.
TheAist 2 years ago
Great video man. Both you and I seem to be moving somewhat more away from Idealism and closer to Realism with time..That being said there still importance of acknowledging the profound alteration of reality by biases, perspective and the conscious and subconscious mind. Most people never think for a second about how their mind shapes their experience of phenomenon. There's definitely a sweet spot in between idealism and realism. Like with most psuedo-dichotomies
vooooom 2 years ago
Thanks. This seemed like a good starting point. The next video will be answering Cashify's response to this video. i think he missed the point entirely. He made a good response, but...totally missed the point.
TheAist 2 years ago
Great video, Coz.
Especially liked the insight about getting past biases.
Cimbolic 2 years ago
Thanks, man! Hope you had a great holiday time!
TheAist 2 years ago
It seems that Immanuel Kant is important to understand. I however havent gotten there yet.
Thanks for getting me closer TheAist.
ihitawallofassholes 2 years ago 2
Glad you liked it. It's just a scratch on the surface of kant tho.
The main thing about Kant is, everything is a means unto its self, so be moral in every instant. i do agree with that.
TheAist 2 years ago
Thanks for sharing your beliefs, I really enjoyed listening. I am wondering from within this paradigm of yours, what role does emotion play. Interesting stuff; cheers.
NLPNVC 2 years ago
glad you liked it, im not sure if i would label it belief tho. emotions are electrochemical responses made in the brain. they develop based on input. i think the brain craves virtue, but in many cases learn incorrectly causing bad behavior. emotions, i think are opinions. i think they should be considered, but i think they are secondary, or should be secondary to reason. i dont know if thats possible tho, so many are on emotion autopilot.
TheAist 2 years ago
I caught part of an interesting story on NPR the other day, saying how ez it is for the emotional mind to overtake the rational mind.
OlySezHey 2 years ago
thats good info, but its not news. this is a problem with 99% of the entire human population alive and dead....well, when they were alive.
TheAist 2 years ago
love this vid, make tons of sense. it's funny how we just brush these ideas of becuase they are so normal or everyday to us. im sure you will get some religious mumbo jumbo refuting this, but like you said as long as they are nice.lo.
freethinker3161 2 years ago
yea, i am going to be nicer too. im trying to decrease my stress levels.
TheAist 2 years ago
@freethinker3161 I was almost friendly in my video response to him.
Cashify 2 years ago
In order to translate a language into another form of media you have to have an understanding of both medias.
How do you translate the word "blue"(don't tell me cold) to a blind person, or "loud" (don't tell me lots)to a deaf person.
It would be necessary to understand how blind people "see colors" or deaf people "hear sounds".
If you don't understand their "reality" your "translation" will be meaningless or deceiving!
armelix73 2 years ago
i would describe blue asa shorter wave form in the optical range. i would describe loud as being an increased intensity of sound waves, resulting in larger vibration and a higher decibel level.
sure, there needs to be understanding, the point is their "reality" or anyone's reality its neccesarily in tune with the physical universe. if it was, someone would be all knowing. no one can be all knowing, but we can learn things. its important to differentiate between thoughts & what is actual.
TheAist 2 years ago
"How do you translate the word "blue"(don't tell me cold) to a blind person, or "loud" (don't tell me lots)to a deaf person."
That's like how I look at trying to explain God to somebody.
OlySezHey 2 years ago
i answer that in the above paragraph. i would describe both sound and light as waveforms, their lengths and heights.
i would also use audio related words to describe color, like blue would be softer, red harsher, stands out more.
i was describe loud by a non-violent slap. where quiet is a soft touch and loud a slap, on the hand or something.
TheAist 2 years ago
I include my own explainations of God when I say; These are highly lacking explainations of the experience. I guess, to me, it's like, you can explain anything to me, but until I experience it, I won't really know what it's like.
OlySezHey 2 years ago
i dont think these explainations would be lacking to the blind and deaf, they will never be able to experience them as we do, and the explainations i provided, especially wave forms of color, are actual descriptions. if they can understand sound waves, they can understand optical waves.
in the other example, a more intense slap would carry the physical qualities of actual louder sound waves. obviously i would have more than 500 characters to expand on it as well
TheAist 2 years ago
I think the understandings of current physics indicates that time may indeed be an an actually existing force or entity, though I do not understand the theories well enough to be sure if they really do indicate this. Experientially, though, it does appear to me that time does not actually exist.
blackacidlizzard 2 years ago
thats interesting considering time a force, i havent thought of that. i think physics considers time the 4th dimension.
i think there is eternity in both directions no matter the state of the universe. this would mean time is only a concept.
time is not constant either, its relative to gravity. time moves faster near a black hole, than in the emptiness of deep space
TheAist 2 years ago
Time not being constant is a major factor causing time to appear to me as possibly more than a mere concept.. Perhaps one could still describe it as merely a convention of describing properties by shorthand, I'm not sure at all.
I think there's also something at the quantum scale that blew my mind... but I forget what it was now. :p
How does the non-existence of time follow from it being infinite in all directions?
blackacidlizzard 2 years ago
if time is eternal, no beginning, no end, then there is only in between. i dont deny the conception of the sequence of events, but where can you touch time? or point at it?
i do think time has some describable properties. time-space, gravity wells, space time distortion, but in all cases, its our concept of reality, unlike other detectors, scopes, scanners, there is nothing that measures time. a solar system is a measure of gravity, we apply time. its only in our observation, we cant take it out
TheAist 2 years ago
I (partially) am also always within my observations. An ever-present constant. Yet I do not think of myself as not existing within my perception.
blackacidlizzard 2 years ago
im not suggesting that we can percieve of ourselves outside our own perception, i think thats impossible. but, we can look at other people, other situations, situations in which we are not a part of at all, except as an outside observer.
what gets me about time is that it is neither matter nor energy, we can only measure its passing, as opposed to mass/ matter & waves/energy. it seems to be real, but elusive.
TheAist 2 years ago
also, and more importantly, i could be wrong
TheAist 2 years ago
Actually, when I hear creationists speak I just here blah blah blah, is it me or them who has the problem?
Seriously, apes specially the bonobos have their own language, they really do show where we came from.
Tower of Babel, god must be pissed because he separated mans tongue so we wont build a tower and try and dethrone him LOL. Do you know whats happened, those naughty scientists have developed sun glasses that translate other languages to your own, such a disgrace.
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago 2
those sunglasses, is that for real? that sounds science fiction
TheAist 2 years ago
Its for real, a computer chip in these glasses translate the other persons language straight into ones ear! application known as lecture translation (informally). Its still be worked on but as science evolves we will get this very nice piece of equipment sooner rather than later.
I read something about this in the new scientist.
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
Thanks!
TheAist 2 years ago
i think there is a distinction. phenomenon would happen if no people existed. noumenon is the sum of our own experience. there's no escaping it, except for death. i used to be a fan of kant. i still like some of his ideas, but im past more of them. no doubt he influenced me when i was younger.
TheAist 2 years ago
Good vid. Just wanted to point out that not all things in the universe are matter/energy. There are the four fundamental forces. Weak nuclear, strong nuclear, electromagnetic and gravity. And before someone says it, forces != energy.
5 stars
Textra1 2 years ago 2
all energy comes from the 4 forces, that we know about. energy is neither created nor destroyed.
all things in the universe are either matter or energy, there are no exceptions. i dont know why you dont think force doesnt equal energy, except for maybe semantics, all physic i have read about or heard lectures on equate forces and energy (shrugs)
either way, this is philosophy 101 not physics 101, they only give me 10 minutes yknow :)
TheAist 2 years ago
Force is not the same as energy. This is one thing my physics lecturers drummed into us.
"all things in the universe are either matter or energy"
Sorry, but that is not correct. Force does no work unless the system is free to move along the direction the force is applied. Example, you lean against a wall. Unless the wall moves, falls over or whatever, there is force but no energy. Force is a component of energy, but it is not energy itself.
Textra1 2 years ago
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Textra1 2 years ago
So there is more in the universe than matter/energy.
Matter/Energy - leptons, hadrons, mesons, baryons, quarks.
Force Carriers - photons, bosons, gravitons, gluons.
"either way, this is philosophy 101 not physics 101"
Fair enough. I just wanted to point out that matter/energy, as you said, are not the only things in the universe.
Textra1 2 years ago
the force carriers are still matter and energy. and the example you used for the wall, is an example of potential energy as opposed to kinetic energy which would be working. like i said, i think its just semantics. at some point matter and energy are interchangable. saying force isnt the same as energy is similar to saying sub atomic particles are not matter, which they are, well, most of them. electrons, maybe gravitons are energy.
TheAist 2 years ago
"the force carriers are still matter and energy"
No, they are not. Fermions(quarks, hadrons, etc) are mass/energy particles, not force carriers. Have a look into QM for the distinction. It's not a matter of semantics; it a matter of physics. Energy and matter are interchangeable (e = mc²), I never said they weren't, but the distinction I'm making is that matter/energy(fermions) are NOT the same as force carriers. Force carriers are the wavelike communications between fermions.
Textra1 2 years ago
Some force carriers have mass, and therefore energy, like the W & Z bosons, but some are massless like photons, gluons and gauge bosons.
"saying force isnt the same as energy is similar to saying sub atomic particles are not matter"
Umm, no. This is so wrong I'm not sure where to start. Even high school physics will tell you that force is not energy. They are too different, but related phenomenon.
Textra1 2 years ago
If you argument is contingent on the conflation of force and energy, you're going to have to do some research to repair it because matter and energy are not the only things in the universe.
Textra1 2 years ago 2
"electrons, maybe gravitons are energy."
Electrons are fermions, matter particles, Gravitons are force carriers. The graviton is a massless particle - Mass 0Gev/c², electric charge 0. Neither mass nor energy.
Textra1 2 years ago
Is this theoretical physics? Maybe quantum mechanics? I'm just a science hobbyist. thanx :)
OlySezHey 2 years ago
Particle physics and QM, mostly.
Textra1 2 years ago
excellent shit Coz 5☆★☆★☆ you have the excellent ability to be able to articulate matrix deconstructions- it must be a natural ability, like a gift.
matrixcmitech 2 years ago
now you're making me blush!
TheAist 2 years ago
HEY I OBJECT!
Wait, no i don't...
Thanks for the thought, I'll have to ponder this for a bit to see if it really does make sense to me...
(so far it does - but it's really late)
jxaxmxixn 2 years ago
test it out, its true 100%
TheAist 2 years ago
Thanks, man! Hope u had a great holiday season!
TheAist 2 years ago
You lose 1 star for cutting off that great guitar riff the beginning of the video.
It's easy to point to some physical quantity (ex. your fingers) to explain the concept of numbers. I'm somewhat perplexed trying to think of a way to point to a negative amount of something. ("Please hold up -3 fingers.")
Nice video. Thanks for posting!
gigantibyte 2 years ago
what you say about negative numbers IS what im saying.the numbers and the idea of mathmatics are wholly conceptual.
as for the riff, dont down rate me...buy my CD!
seriously, i just got done making a dvd of music. i havent announced it yet. if yer interested, say so. :)
TheAist 2 years ago
Yes, the world looks much cooler when you manage to stop covering it in symbols all the time. On the other hand, learning to use new sets of symbols (and translate from one one set to another) can help to broaden one's understanding of things.
tmafkap 2 years ago
i have no problem with symbols or concepts. only when people can not differentiate between them. its a problem, makes people delusional.
TheAist 2 years ago
man i know you fire it up lol \-)
CiphersSon 2 years ago 2
(innocent look)
TheAist 2 years ago
lol!
OlySezHey 2 years ago
"What If You Are Wrong?"
happens all the time; I don't really put any stock in it - LOL
you're on a roll lately.
VincentVonGoat 2 years ago
Thanks, I contemplate and try to build on whats happened before. I'm trying to help free thinkers. I tried to help the religious...and still do, but they are mean and flag me, so...fuck them. why preach to the choir? i want to evolve the YT experience.
I thought up the title in the last minute, thought it would be a good precursor.
TheAist 2 years ago
This was beautiful! You need to keep saying this in as many different ways as possible to as many different people as possible. Hopefully you will reach at least a few people. And really, what more can you ask for?
tecnoblix 2 years ago
Thanks. I'm going to build a philosophy from the ground up. i hope it will help people. most my viewers are free thinkers now. I thought i would start making useful videos for free thinkers. I can send religious folks to my ning site.
Did u check out the link, its the religious continuation of this video.
TheAist 2 years ago
I rather like this actually. It allows for religious experiences but suggest we must keep them in perspective and not take them as literal objective truths but simply as experiences the brain produces. This doesn't mean they can't be useful (time, numbers etc.), but that we ought not proect them onto everyone or every thing or make a dogma based around it.
woodsofodin 2 years ago
Hey!
checkout the link in the description box. its a continuation on this theme applied to religion. you might change your mind. i hope not and i hope so at the same time!
TheAist 2 years ago
Regarding your blog entry, check out the skeptics bible. Just google "skeptics bible" and you'll get to the site. They don't allow links in comments.
woodsofodin 2 years ago
For some reason the HQ versoiun doesn't work.
cmxcmx 2 years ago
hmmmm, it didnt work for me either. its a lot of information. it might take a while to upload all the detail.
TheAist 2 years ago
excellent discussion. i find that spending time outdoors rain or shine gives me brain a good cleaning, clear out the brush cobwebs and cornstalks.
(ps, one small point - a chimera is real. not the greek mythos chimera. the genetic chimera)
windham666 2 years ago
ive heard walking is the best thing to maintain cognition.
and yes, i have heard of genetic chimeras, but i wasnt thinking about that at the time. good call!
but i ws refering to the greek ones
TheAist 2 years ago
wonderful video.. loved it!
MortishaCassavetes 2 years ago
Thanks!
TheAist 2 years ago
If it's okay with you, I'd like to get your thoughts on a few videos (3, to be exact) called 'The Problem of Observation'.
phillippi2 2 years ago
ok, i watched it, all 3 parts. i thought it was very interesting. for the most part i agree with him. i do think our experience is contained within our brain. But i do think there are ways to overcome the "observation barrier". There is no contradiction. We cross reference observation for higher accuracy and verifications. we can be aware of our own observations, or we couldnt be talking about it.
TheAist 2 years ago
If it was as easy to transfer concept to reality as some people think I wouldn't be having so many issues ^_^
PinkProgram 2 years ago
lol i bet.
TheAist 2 years ago