Philosopher Slavoj Zizeck on Democracy Now- 5/6

[eotto2001]

allergies? 

[michal020988]

What has he in his nose?;> He speaks so fast and rationable...

[amaro9009]

@michal020988 coke

[CharlesDickens99]

The riots in France were not fundamentalist, they were burning their own mosques.

Mmm.... I think that's quite delusional.

[sqccccccccc]

@CharlesDickens99 Since when in france did we start burning our mosques?

[CharlesDickens99]

@sqccccccccc Absolutely, I agree. I was criticising Slavoj Zizek who states that the French Muslims were burning down their own mosques at 8.04.

[PtAltmVansanTarr]

Totally agree with him on the gated community,perma subdued civil war-- just look to the 2nd world. That is the future. Some skyscraper developments in China resemble massive castles.

[joumiet]

Imagine welfare state without the influence of Marx. Marx influenced leftist parties and the labour unions - who had to fight hard to make the society better! Then the competition with "socialist" countries forced to reforms too.. Now things are going worse again as the working class is not so unified and class conscious anymore. Right wing fought for a more equal society after french revolution? In my dreams... Zizek "forgot" that capitalism as such makes just the rich richer.

[andyx1205]

All of these socialist philosophies, Council Communism, Luxemburgism, Social Anarchism/Libertarian Socialism, Democratic Socialism, are all very similar.

The biggest propaganda I've ever heard is that Socialism = Marxism which is false.

Karl Marx did NOT invent socialism, socialism existed before Marx. Marxism was simply another major branch of socialism. I'm not a marxist but Marx's Das Kapital is a must read for ANYONE (the book is not about socialism its about how capitalism works).

[andyx1205]

This is what he believes, and me also.

Communism (or Leninism/Maoism/authoritarian Marxism, whatever you want to call it) has been proven to be a failure.

Though this Communism is worst than Capitalism, Capitalism must also be replaced and so we need a "3rd and new solution."

He doesn't know what this 3rd solution is, though imo our planet can't handle our western lifestyles and we need a more sustainable and environment friendly system.

Council/Left Communism & Social Anarchism are similar

[barrywinehousexp]

Chomsky is properly an antistate syndicalist libertarian socialist. Zizek: marxist academic.

[avebarra]

he's so awsome! I would give him a kiss then shit on his toes!

[japicuca]

I think Zizek makes a big effort to understand humans while Chomsky seems not to understand why humans aren´t angels. Chomsky refuses any complex theory, he says we, intellectuals, just have to tell people the facts, what the Mass Media tries to hide us and I agree with Zizek Chomsky is too naive not realizing Western middle class people prefer not to know those facts, we just want the cheap petrol, we don´t want to know where it comes from nor how you got it.

[wid85]

@japicuca

Chomsky has explicity said that telling truth to power is worthless. Power already knows the truth, and likes it. Chomsky seeks (but may not succeed) to tell the truth about oppression to the opressed in order to give them the tools to fight back. In this he heavily relies on the principle of solidarity which holds that obvious opression of one group is usually based on the less obvious opression of others. Poor American tax payers financing imperialism is an example.

[ReformedMarxist]

His thoughts on Chavez would be cool to read.

[mcphail5791]

chomsky anarchist

zizeck communist

the two dont mix, chomsky belives that there shouldnt be any authortarian state as such, zizeck is a marxist so believes in a authotrian state, i.e dicatorship of proletriat

[cybrevid]

they're both philosophers working in the same problem space. i'm an anarchist, but radicals who hold differing beliefs often have interesting things to say. important to disclose and account for his commie biases, but zizek furthers the radical dialog, always good to get outside the comfort zone.

[andyx1205]

I dont zizek does actually.

For example, you can be a Christian and still not believe 100% in the bible.

Zizek is a Marxist in that he's a scholar of Marx's works and Marxist ideology. I've seen his talks and he believes that the version of Marxism (Leninism) was the biggest catastrophe in 20th century and I agree.

We dont want another revised marxist revolution/experiment. He admits that he doesnt know what type of society we should have.

[niamh21]

one should gift to the devil what belongs to the devil

[spiltteeth]

I want to see him debate Chomsky

[khanriza]

Wouldn't be much of a debate. They seem to be off the same mind set.

[ipalindromei]

whaaaat? seriously?

chomsky is super rational, cartesian and scientific in his approach, whereas zizek is much more open about being influenced by marx and post-marxist philosophers. chomsky is not much of a speculator, and has little tolerance for ambiguity. i think it would be similar to the debate with foucault.

[paganiniGOGO]

I'd like to see Chomsky challenged for once. I don't think he's had a good debate on politics since foucault.

[jumpnjza2]

I'd like to learn slovenian so i can understand him at his articulate best.

[xaver54]

it sometimes seems, that there is only one man on this planet who formulates the right questions. slavoj zizek.

[historywillabsolve]

genius