I think the most important thing here is the antenna started falling FIRST. This was mounted to the main support pillars!! IE the main support pillars all spontaneously went at the very same time BEFORE the main collapse.
@turbodude555 I believe the antenna falling is important to this to, cause the antenna does fall before the outer columns start to break, witch would help solve what is causing this air pressure release. Plus the outer columns have started to break before this anyway. It is easy to see in the video. The description in the video is wrong.
@turbodude555 The point in the video is to show explosions before the collapse began. and it would not need all the columns to fail at once. They would just have to get week enough to fail from the weight of the roof and antenna above. The failure of the damaged core is what they believe brought the top of the building down.
My Occam's Razor response: It was a controlled explosion to bring the tower down instead of having it tilt and bury even more buildings underneath it. It was not published for two reason: First, obviously, to avoid insurance claims and claims from people killed inside.
The second one is more interesting, and the question that should be asked actually: Why were there explosives in the building in the first place? Is that some kind of standard now, hmm? "Just in case"?
with your closed perhaps, look again watch?v=15VUbP16XpI&feature=related at around 0:21 secs, before the detonation, a cylinder shaped object pierced all the way trough....its there, no point in been in denial.
Come on.. Why do people still believe the US government actually says the truth? After things in the past..Like Vietnam, and some wars to bring 'democracy' to those countries, while it actually was to get their oil.
@MrKoenig1985 My only point in bringing it up is that this video seems to be mired in very small points of evidence that could be explained by both theories, i.e. the official theory and the controlled demolition theory.
@nehorlavazapalka Wow you're probably right. I really don't sound like I've based my arguement on any facts, do I? I'll just go see what Snooki is up to on twitter and forget this whole mess. Thanks for setting me straight
@wakeup808 Somewhere, something in the rubble.. no proof of any molten iron, I personaly believe that thermite charges were responsible for the collapse but this video contains much more destructive evidence than any of those so called "molten iron" videos, got it?
@MrKoenig1985 Whether the antenna leans or the columns buckle, it's the molten metal(and there is plenty of evidence for it) that does not fit into the official theory that jet fuel caused the collapse. Say what you will about the impact site, none of it accounts for the destruction of 80-some untouched, intact, acre-sized floors below.
@MrKoenig1985 I also understand that CONVENTIONAL controlled demolition would not produce pools of molten metal that burn for two months, and I do not believe the baseless theories of space-beams and mini-nukes. I just want a new public investigation with subpoena powers so we can answer all of these important questions once and for all, don't you?
@nehorlavazapalka excellent defense of your position. I like how you back it up with information. Youtube "molten concrete & metal" and get back to me this is fun
I know, except the columns 708, 801, 803 and 807. But core columns from the lower structure were almost broken at the welds, not only at column-to-column connections but the welds at the transitions too. I find that strange. A sign of crappy welds?
We haven't a single visual evidence of molten iron at Ground Zero. Only oral testimonies of iron wokers and firemens. The steel beams and columns on the GZ FEMA photos do not look as if they were melted. Many core box columns weren't bent or heavily deformed. All shown examples are broken at the weld junctions. The core H-columns were broken at the bolt-splice connections.
The ejections on the left are particularly damming evidence of demolitions exploding (and it is not like we need any more evidence to convict on treason either). However, for some reason the video stop at 3:05 for me. I assume this a temporary YouTube error.
Otherwise, thinking about JREF is a total waste of brain power. Most of them are seriously deluded fools and a few are just rank liars. Helping them pull their heads out of their asses would require some kind significant physical force.
I think the most important thing here is the antenna started falling FIRST. This was mounted to the main support pillars!! IE the main support pillars all spontaneously went at the very same time BEFORE the main collapse.
Airgo: INSIDE JOB!
turbodude555 5 months ago
@turbodude555 I believe the antenna falling is important to this to, cause the antenna does fall before the outer columns start to break, witch would help solve what is causing this air pressure release. Plus the outer columns have started to break before this anyway. It is easy to see in the video. The description in the video is wrong.
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@MegaYeshua33 No, the fact that the antenna is falling so soon means all the central columns failed at once. This was the point of the video
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@turbodude555 The point in the video is to show explosions before the collapse began. and it would not need all the columns to fail at once. They would just have to get week enough to fail from the weight of the roof and antenna above. The failure of the damaged core is what they believe brought the top of the building down.
MegaYeshua33 2 months ago
u NEED MORE VIEWS
drifter402 7 months ago
My Occam's Razor response: It was a controlled explosion to bring the tower down instead of having it tilt and bury even more buildings underneath it. It was not published for two reason: First, obviously, to avoid insurance claims and claims from people killed inside.
The second one is more interesting, and the question that should be asked actually: Why were there explosives in the building in the first place? Is that some kind of standard now, hmm? "Just in case"?
0x777 1 year ago
no investigation as to why a plane is seen going in the tower, then a missile head coming from the other side prior to detonation
''plane in, missile out''
EasternGateGuardian 1 year ago
@EasternGateGuardian
No missile, no plane nose. Just smoke, fire and debris.
TheMKMonarch 1 year ago
@TheMKMonarch
with your closed perhaps, look again watch?v=15VUbP16XpI&feature=related at around 0:21 secs, before the detonation, a cylinder shaped object pierced all the way trough....its there, no point in been in denial.
EasternGateGuardian 1 year ago
@TheMKMonarch
Indeed, caused by bombs offcourse.
Come on.. Why do people still believe the US government actually says the truth? After things in the past..Like Vietnam, and some wars to bring 'democracy' to those countries, while it actually was to get their oil.
DellionNL 7 months ago
Uh...the video is a simulation anyway. Both camps are dupes.
11September2009 1 year ago
Two examples:
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As far as I can see, only the the broad sides were welded.
The weld depth was jest my estimate.
MrKoenig1985 1 year ago
Molten metal? BAM you got NOTHIN!
wakeup808 1 year ago
@wakeup808
Who talked here about molten metal?
MrKoenig1985 1 year ago
@MrKoenig1985 My only point in bringing it up is that this video seems to be mired in very small points of evidence that could be explained by both theories, i.e. the official theory and the controlled demolition theory.
wakeup808 1 year ago
@wakeup808 wrong, u just don't understand it
nehorlavazapalka 1 year ago
@nehorlavazapalka Wow you're probably right. I really don't sound like I've based my arguement on any facts, do I? I'll just go see what Snooki is up to on twitter and forget this whole mess. Thanks for setting me straight
wakeup808 1 year ago
@wakeup808 Somewhere, something in the rubble.. no proof of any molten iron, I personaly believe that thermite charges were responsible for the collapse but this video contains much more destructive evidence than any of those so called "molten iron" videos, got it?
nehorlavazapalka 1 year ago
@MrKoenig1985 Whether the antenna leans or the columns buckle, it's the molten metal(and there is plenty of evidence for it) that does not fit into the official theory that jet fuel caused the collapse. Say what you will about the impact site, none of it accounts for the destruction of 80-some untouched, intact, acre-sized floors below.
wakeup808 1 year ago
@MrKoenig1985 I also understand that CONVENTIONAL controlled demolition would not produce pools of molten metal that burn for two months, and I do not believe the baseless theories of space-beams and mini-nukes. I just want a new public investigation with subpoena powers so we can answer all of these important questions once and for all, don't you?
wakeup808 1 year ago
@wakeup808 also, no proof of molten iron anywhere in the rubble
nehorlavazapalka 1 year ago
@nehorlavazapalka excellent defense of your position. I like how you back it up with information. Youtube "molten concrete & metal" and get back to me this is fun
wakeup808 1 year ago
@wakeup808 no proof, sorry
nehorlavazapalka 1 year ago
@nehorlavazapalka
Hm, can one cut by some cutting charges through the welds of the core box columns, with almost surgical precision?
MrKoenig1985 1 year ago
@MrKoenig1985 huh? no need to attack the welds, there were no welds from ~ 85th floor up
nehorlavazapalka 1 year ago
@nehorlavazapalka
You mean floor 86th?
I know, except the columns 708, 801, 803 and 807. But core columns from the lower structure were almost broken at the welds, not only at column-to-column connections but the welds at the transitions too. I find that strange. A sign of crappy welds?
MrKoenig1985 1 year ago
@MrKoenig1985 no, welds would be the first thing to go
nehorlavazapalka 1 year ago
@nehorlavazapalka
All the way in the core, from top to bottom?
MrKoenig1985 1 year ago
@MrKoenig1985 the connections were the weakest links
nehorlavazapalka 1 year ago
@nehorlavazapalka
How "safe" is this claim? One should be differ the bolt/splice plate and weld connections.
I don't think that both types have the same strength.
MrKoenig1985 1 year ago
@MrKoenig1985 100% if you look at the rubble (otherwise you would need thousands of charges per each connection)...
nehorlavazapalka 1 year ago
@MrKoenig1985 Your buddies are making some great points here. I was hoping you had something to add as well, no?
wakeup808 1 year ago
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@wakeup808
I have nothing further to add.
We haven't a single visual evidence of molten iron at Ground Zero. Only oral testimonies of iron wokers and firemens. The steel beams and columns on the GZ FEMA photos do not look as if they were melted. Many core box columns weren't bent or heavily deformed. All shown examples are broken at the weld junctions. The core H-columns were broken at the bolt-splice connections.
MrKoenig1985 1 year ago
I see floors collapsing just above your chart at 2:47 on the right side.
JSSTyger 1 year ago
The ejections on the left are particularly damming evidence of demolitions exploding (and it is not like we need any more evidence to convict on treason either). However, for some reason the video stop at 3:05 for me. I assume this a temporary YouTube error.
Otherwise, thinking about JREF is a total waste of brain power. Most of them are seriously deluded fools and a few are just rank liars. Helping them pull their heads out of their asses would require some kind significant physical force.
bofors7715 1 year ago 2
For some reason video keeps pausing at 1:24
Looks interesting so far.....
proudfootz 1 year ago