I think all the saxons, franks, and romans can go back to where they came from. The North of Iberia--France-- England-- should be Celtic lands again, for all the Celts. Time for the goose steppers to stomp there nazi asses back to the other side of the Danube and Elbe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@1995Scotsman How was Celtic founded? By Irish people who fled Ireland because of the discrimination by the British on our land. They fled to glasgow and edinburgh and set up Celtic and Hibs. Those scottish celtic supporters have Irish heritage in them. They have every right to be proud of their heritage. But I don't know why scottish people could wave a union jack, because thats what they fought against? Whats your national anthem about? Have some pride in your heritage.
@mcgzer Yeah Scots flying a Union Jack is disgraceful, I agree with you.
But there's absoloutly no way the Celtic supporters all have Irish heritage.
I live in Dundee, and I kid you not, there's plenyt of Celtic supporters here.. their surnames are Smith, Williamson, Thompson, Fleming, Jones, Evans, etc. Of course they're not Irish. I know it was founded by an Irish priest, but they play in the SCOTTISH league.
I am very proud to be Scottish, and so should the Celts who're SCOTS!
How can they be an Irish team if they've always played in the Scottish league? Even if the Scots celebrate their 'Irish heritage'.. they're SCOTTISH; and frankly if they don't wanna be Scottish they can move to Ireland.
My family came from the Netherlands, but I don't sing and shout about how bravely the Dutch resistance fought against Nazi Germany?
@1995Scotsman There's absolutely nothing stopping you from singing about the Dutch resistance to the Nazis though.. you can sing about your Dutch heritage all you want just like Celtic fans can sing about their Irish heritage if they want.
I know, but why would I want to? I'm from SCOTLAND.
The Glasweigans who had a great great great grandfather who was born in Ulster does NOT make him Irish.. so why not sing Scottish songs? Fly Scottish flags?
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@lennonnumber1 yes....... rangers fans dont love englan like celtic fans love IRELAND!!! and no they wouldnt know the words to god save the bitch......
@jamessential oh why hello you ENGLISH PRICK ......as a matter of fact i am from Ireland and pround of it!! so why dont u get back to fucking your queen? eh?
@ryansjp Yes, we may have but you certainly don't show it. Work on how you respond to others and there is no need for brainless comments like that. And visit Scotland you will find that a bit less than half of them are even fond us.
@brokenglassesshaner@brokenglassesshane I know it's not, was just trying taking the mick out of the racist Irish in here......Beautiful place full of beautiful people, with the exception of the IRA and their supporters ;)
@beermuffs1 Instead of getting on your high-horse and making a smart-arse comment and insulting my intelligence, how about you look at your original statement and see how it can be misleading and confusing. Which IRA do "most people support"?
just to let everyone know that Celtic fans are from SCOTLAND and 'the soliders song' is the IRISH national anthem...so i dont think they would know the words!!?
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@Primordialfan1 You're boring me now. I don't wish to be in contact with a kiddie fiddler like yourself so this is my last reply to you. Enjoy sucking the priests cock.
@gmac1981hg jesus you huns are worse than the jews with the holocaust,cant seem to get over it...our religion wasnt founded on the basis of a horny king of daughters =/ ours was founded by christ unlike you incest bastards
@gmac1981hg Just so you know, Protestant Clergy abuse completely exceeds catholic clergy abuse. I can't fathom why you deem a religion because of a few sick bastards when your protestant background is just as guilty in terms of child abuse. Ignorant fuckers shouldn't throw stones in glass houses.
@gmac1981hg whats sick is how you can think a religion founded on the basis of sex is ok,worshipping christ yet not following the church christ established =/
@eire1916rf Actually I'm an athiest and believe that religion is nothing more than ridiculous stories. What is really sick is a religion notorious for sexually abusing children. As I said before, Catholicism is an illness.
@gmac1981hg surely you can see its corruption in people who join the chruch rather than the churches core? surely its more stable then one founded on sex rather than it being a scandle 2000 odd years after it was founded?
@eire1916rf It's seems to be a recurring theme going right the way to the top though. Make all the excuses you want, it went on at Celtic boys club, it seems to go on at various levels of the Catholic religion. Child molestation, just say no!
@gmac1981hg ok how can you be a thru hun (if possible) when you would type in a soldiers song on youtube the 3 catholic priests that actually did anything didnt do as much raping as the british army in my country and yours , ive always been curious,sorry to change the subject,but how can you wave the same uninon's flag that oppressed your country and your ancsestors for decades,centuries?
@eire1916rf im scottish an couldnt agree more i dont know what shit gets pumped into there heads. so bring it down from the mass irish traitors. haail hail . if we didnt have half the tits we could be the new ireland we dont need them fuck those scum. get the brits out. get the brits out. get the brits out know
can i just say i am a celtic fan and i do not support the ira one bit. I'm British, and I think the reason for me and my family supporting celtic is because my ancestors were irish immigrants who lived during the formation of celtic who raised money for them to survive in glasgow. My love for celtic is purely passion based. I'm not a pro-IRA rebel and that goes for many other tims. Of course i hate the rangers, but only because I love the rivalry and generally think they're horrible lol
Sheer Bliss, what a chant, how the days of travelling down the M8 and looking forward to ye auld rendition of the Soldier's Song belting out good stylee!!
Hitler stated in Mien Kampf "I believe that I am acting with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the lord"Hitler was born a Catholic and his views echoed that of the vatican who blame the Jews for the murder of Jesus.He was also anti communist which also suited the vatican since communism preaches atheism. a bit of that is from wyklipeedia buy i have red jews killed jeesus ina book though
@GunmanForTheRa Are you retarded? Hitler was the Head of Nazism when he rose to power (his new found religion) so therefore he could not be a catholic? The Vatican complained about the Nazis anti-judaism veiws so it clearly did not suit them.
@StaXDesigns If nazism was,as you claim a religieon,why would the pope allow a party with links to him vote to make hitler(or as you say,head of this) a dictator?Why would the Catholic church allow its members to join the nazi party? And why would the pope himself sign an agreement saying Bishops had to swear allegiance to the nazi state? As late as the 70s/ 80s Bishops were telling members it was a SIN to attend services of OTHER RELIGIONS, unless it was a social occasion,wedding, funeral etc.
@muv1912 He did not start this religion till mid/late 1930s, It was partly Christian but most prayers were to the fuhrer (Hitler). The Pope signed the concordat in 1933 and broke it in 1937 I believe when the pope issued encyclical Mit brennender Sorge which condemned the Nazi ideology (being taught in these Nazi churches). The Concordat which the pope signed meant they had to as all soldiers did and I believe the schools did this (like in the morning).
@StaXDesigns In 1934 two jesuit priests drafted a report condemning breches of the concordat,it was handed to the vatican in 1955.Two years later it was released asMit Brennender Sorge only it had been watered down.5 days later Divini Redemptoris was released condemning communism in much stronger language!After the death of Pope PiusXI the new Pope, Pius XII (Euginio Pacelli, who negotiated the concordat)resumed normal diplomatic relations with hitler
@muv1912 Well I'm not surprised it was watered down as fully breaking the concordat would put Catholics at risk as it did as many thousands of priests were killed during Nazi Germany. Condemning the communists is a lot easier and as they spread atheist views not surprising the church opposed it and did post it. Pius XII drafted the Mit Brennender Sorge whilst still a cardinal. During his reign he never negeotiated with the Nazi's in a friendly way.
@StaXDesigns At Pacelli's express wish,Archbishop Cesare Orsenego the Berlin nuncio ,hosted a gala reception in honor of Hitlers 50th Birthday.Sounds very friendly to me!
@muv1912 You have a point there im surprised he would order it obviously it would be celebrated by the country but him requesting it is very weird considering he kept denouncing them. And the Pope probably dissolved it due to the concordat.
@StaXDesigns Public denouncement of the nazis from the vatican was very rare and, when it came,tame to say the least.If you were a Catholic at that time what would you have made of the facts?1,The centre party(who originally expressed concern over nazism)endorsed hitler by voting yes on the enabling act.2The vatican lifts it's ban on members joining the nazi party.3 The vatican had a concordat that(supposedly)guaranteed the Catholic religeons future. Would you think he was worth fighting for?
@muv1912 1) They voted as the terms were all catholic buildings schools and religious ways would be protected. 2) Think about the other people that pissed off Hitler and what happened. 3) Concordat - Means catholics don't interfere with government as long as catholic ways are protected they had many of these with many nations including England.
@StaXDesigns Exactly, now you're getting it! The pope was willing to deal with the devil,as long as he left the catholic church alone.Kill as many jews or commies as you like, invade Poland,France, anywhere, we'll keep quiet if you leave us alone!Good job people like Churchill stood up in defence of EVERYONE! There were women had toe nails pulled out rather than deal with nazies.Jesus was crucified to save everyone, the pope looks after his own. Gods representative on earth! dont think so!!!
@muv1912 No the Vatican have no right telling someone how to rune their country if I honest, their currently being crtisized today for doing it. As I've said they did reject the Nazi's anti-Judaism views. Communists were against any religion anyway, I personally do not mind communism but it would affect the church dramatically. Irish people 20 years previous had their teeth pulled out by the british for low key information. When Churchill was Home Secretary.
@muv1912 Britain's death toll of Irish Civilians is in the millions, the IRA's toll of civilians would be lucky to reach the high thousands. Remember it has been proved this year the "heroes" of the British army targeted peaceful protesters.
@StaXDesigns Once again, you quote figures that can only be corroborated in irish republican propaganda. Who were these "millions"?If you're refering to the famine, it wasn't British made, and didn't descriminate! Catholics and Protestants died!!!Scotlland suffered as well,they got up, wiped their arse, and got on with life and haven't threw a stone since the 1740s and are closer to self determination than the Irish.One thing the Irish are good at,BLAMING BRITAIN FOR THEIR OWN FAILINGS!!!!
@StaXDesigns It was never proven that the British army targeted peaceful protesters, The British government apologized for the reaction of their troops in a RIOT SITUATION. Peaceful protesters don't throw stones, petrol bombs etc!!!
@StaXDesigns And, if i was in the situation that the British troops were in then(welcomed by catholics when it suited, murdered when they turned their backs), I'dv'e had a month of "SUNDAYS"!
@muv1912 Firstly Cromwell's reign killed hundred of thousands Irish people through starvation and Murder. The Famine was of British cause as they were in charge of the country and everything in it, it was mostly those is the west and most southern in Ireland were the famine hit worst. So why did Cameron say the murders were unjust and unjustifiable? It is a known fact they started peaceful the RUC use'd to come in a batter fuck out of the protesters.
@StaXDesigns We're down from millions to hundreds of thousands, slightly more believable! Britain didn't cause the potato blight, it came from America.It started there, spread to England, then Ireland and unlike Irish propaganda claims, it wasn't intentional! The hole island of Ireland was affected and there was, as there still is, Protestants all over the island!EVERYONE SUFFERED! You should look up facts not just republican propaganda!
So you're saying the protesters should have let the RUC and British troops attack them? That is the main reason the provos got so much backing. It is disgusting that they had to protest for civil rights, if it were against black people Britain would never have got away with it as the USA did not. The protests were a replica of the USA's civil movement. Started peaceful the police try to stop their protest forcefully and of course a riot would break out.
@StaXDesigns The RUC tried to stop an ILLEGAL PROTEST.The ira used the situation to their advantage, yes they recruited after bloody Sunday,THEY ALSO TARRED AND FEATHERED THOSE WHO DIDN'T SUPPORT THEM AND MURDERED CATHOLICS WHO DIDN'T AGREE WITH THEIR ROMANTIC DREAMS OF GLORY! That's why CATHOLIC bodies are still being dug up all over Ireland,THE DISSAPEARED!!!
@muv1912 An illegal protest that wouldn't of happened if Britain did not have inhuman and illegal laws in place? The IRA would not have had so much support if it wasn't for the British 2 class system. Why are you singling out them murdering Catholics? They are not a sectarian organisation unlike the UDA etc... It is true they killed some British supporting catholics but not a significant number. They also are digging up scores of thousands of bodies killed by the british over 800 years.
@StaXDesigns Once again, you use fantacy! WHERE ARE ALL THESE SCORES OF THOUSANDS OF BODIES BEING DUG UP? Why are loyalists sectarian and republicans not?(the same destinction is made between rangers and celtic fans)Is it because it doesn't suit your vatican inspired aims?You are full of republican propaganda shit!!! You should read the facts on who killed who,you might be surprised!
@StaXDesigns Once again, you use fantacy! WHERE ARE ALL THESE SCORES OF THOUSANDS OF BODIES BEING DUG UP? Why are loyalists sectarian and republicans not?(the same destinction is made between rangers and celtic fans)Is it because it doesn't suit your vatican inspired aims?You are full of republican propaganda shit!!! You should read the facts on who killed who,you might be surprised!
@muv1912 Loyalists target Catholic nationalists (e.g. writing C18 on bobby sands gravestone) the whole orange order is set up upon the view of being a higher race. Milltown cemetery has an unmarked field with scores of thousands of bodies upon each other. I'm not full of republican media shit, your full of voice dubbed british brainwashed shit. Unless they were part of a British service they were not targeted by the IRA. I think they were concentrating on a war instead of killing Catholics?
@StaXDesigns Catholic nationalists targeted loyalists, Catholics or anyone else opposed to their views! Why is it ok to MURDERsupporters of Britain and "sectarian" to MURDERsupporters of Ireland?You remind me of the wee boy who lifts his ball because his teams being beat! Are you trying to say the ira only killed security forces?You're saying I'm brainwashed!!! There have been loyalist graves desicrated. The orange order was started to protect protestants who were being attacked by catholics!
@muv1912 Did Loyalists target protestants? The Loyalist groups were opposed to Catholics having civil rights that's why they are sectarian. Yes but I doubt they have C18 written on them and you were calling the IRA nazi's? No the IRA did not only kill security forces. But the security forces did not only kill the IRA. I remember an 80 year old woman caught on a camera being shot with a harmless plastic bullet which killed her (shot from an RUC van).
@StaXDesigns There were many protestants killed by loyalists.I said the ira had links with nazis.They spied for,assisted and conspired with nazis!They planned to join with nazi forces to drive the British out of Northern Ireland,effectively turning the north into a nazi puppet state!(a wee bit more serious than a graffiti attack).There were protestants killed by plastic bullets too! Plastic bullets were only fired during riots,why was an 80 year old woman in the middle of a riot?
@muv1912 The only collaboration was that between a small group of IRA men headed by Sean Russell who tried to organise the Irish POWs in Germany to return to Ireland and join the IRA. No effort with the Nazi to be a Nazi State Irish wanted to prove it's independence at this time. Yes this was 60 years ago that was more recent. It was not a riot it was filmed by an American student she was walking with her shopping an RUC van stopped. shot her. and drove on.
@StaXDesigns Yes, Sean Russell, HEAD OF THE IRA AT THE TIME, who wanted Hitler to send nazi troops to Northern Ireland and promised him 30,000 irish volunteers to join with them to drive the British out of the north! Only problem was, he couldn't muster 1/10 of them!! Where was this plastic bullet incident fillmed, in Hollywood, by noraid perhaps?I certainly haven't heard of drive by shootings by the RUC, an can find no reference to it.Please provide details!
@muv1912 Security forces in northern ireland killed 3 over 70 year olds 2 catholic 1 protestant. One of them (a catholic woman) shot by the RUC after a robbery had taken place. The other two shot by British army.There were 52 over 70 year olds killed from 1969 to present , of those killed in northern ireland 22 protestants 1 catholic killed by republicans. 5 protestants 14 catholics killed by loyalists! All listed as civilians! except 1 judge, killed by the ira.
@muv1912 You are correct that i cannot gather information on this but while i was on one of the mural tours i was told of this as one of the murals was dedicated to her, as with bloody sunday the family are fightitng the case in EU courts. I will ask my friend who helps with the tours her name.
@StaXDesigns If this had happened as you describe it, caught on film etc,the republican propaganda machine would have had a field day. Nobody I know can remember hearing about it!There was a similar incident on one of the tv dramas, can't remember which one but it was total fiction!I've checked the records of all those killed since 1969 i can't find anyone over 70 killed by a plastic bullet.The only one I can find over 70 killed by the RUC was hit by a stray bullet after a robbery
@muv1912 And regarding Sean Russell he was not head of the IRA he was chief of staff (there was about 30 of these). I have researched this many times it was to recruit the Irish POWs into the IRA and yes their main goal at the time was to free the north. Now during this plan he also managed to bring Frank Ryan back to Ireland who was hiding from the Gestapo in Berlin. Wasnt just the IRA that collaborated with the Nazis.
@StaXDesigns The ira were in contact with nazi Germany since 1939, in 1940, ira man Steven Hayes drew up and presented to Hitler plans for operation "kathleen".50,000 nazi troops were to be landed in northern ireland and joined by 30,000 ira men attacking the border.If this had succeeded, nazis would have had a foothold on the island, a threat to both Britain and the Republic! Thats how far the ira were willing to go!!! They couldn't find 30,000 ira men though!
@muv1912 *wasnt just the IRA that collaborated with the Nazis, The British Free Corps fought for them their leader the was the son of Winston Churchill's Minister for India. A small group of IRA men collaborated to get Irish POWs back to join the IRA nothing to do with Nazi control of the world. No one knew of the horrors the Nazis carried out until camps were first found in 1945. Meaning the IRA did not know of this. But loyalist knew this when they sprayed C18 on murals...
@StaXDesigns The whole world was aware of hitlers anti jewish sentiments from the early 1930s.In 1942 there were articles in newspapers in London and New York refering to a million jewish deaths at the hands of Hitler and Nazis.The first evidence of the true extent of the holocaust was found in Sobibor in 1944, then in other death camps in early 1945.IN MAY 1945 IRISH TEESHURT(or whatever)Eamon de Valera and IRISH PRRESIDENT Douglas Hyde signed a book of condolence on the death of Hitler!!!
@muv1912 Yes they were aware Hitler was an anti-Semite and a racist, but no even most Jews were not certain their fellows were being sent to death camps. Eamon de Valera and Hyde paid condolences to the German foreign minster to Ireland as his conduct during the war was irreproachable, and he did not want to add humiliation to his defeat.
@StaXDesigns Why did they not send him a letter saying, look, you were a nice wee German but your boss was a nuttcase who deserved all he got! Most jews were well aware of the death camps as were those who watched them being loaded into cattle wagons on a daily basis all over europe,INCLUDING ROME!
@muv1912 Why would they send a man who is just doing his job that? He wasn't part of the Nazi party till they banned all other parties. And what happened to many German politicians after the war? They were imprisoned and some were killed. Most Jews were aware it was going on yes, but did Britain or America? No... What does the ones in Rome have anything to do with it? Mussolini was murdering any opposition. THE VATICAN WAS THE FIRST MAJOR ORGANISATION TO CONDEMN THE NAZIS.
@StaXDesigns It doesn't matter who or what the German envoy to Dublin was, they signed a BOOK OF CONDOLENCES FOR THE DEATH OF HITLER!!! Showing sympathy for the death of the leader of nazism!Yes some nazis were killed after the war,others hid and lived out there lives in sympathetic countrys like Argentina and IRELAND! What has Rome got to do with it, ask the FEW survivors of the jews, rounded up and shipped off to the death camps, right under the nose of the vatican, who did nothing to help.
@muv1912 A BOOK OF CONDOLENCES TO THE AMBASSADOR IN DUBLIN. A Book called 'Justice Delayed - How Britain became a refuge for Nazi war criminals' highlights this. As did a TV programme 'Britain - The Nazi Safe House'. The Royal family and leading London Crown bankers funded Hitlers election to power. One brother-in-law, Prince Christoph of Hesse, was a member of the SS and flew fighters that attacked allied troops in Italy.
@StaXDesigns I haven't read the book,or seen the programe but I have heard about nazi war criminals living in Britain,and other countries.After the war, many nazis changed their identities,fled germany and settled all over the world.Those who were responsible for war crimes and could be proven perpetrators of war crimes,were tried at Nuremberg,you have already shown your doubt about the validity of those convictions.Are you suggesting Britain round up all Germans and hang them on suspicion ?
@muv1912 NO I have said the trials were unfair even Churchill dismissed the trials at a point. So if all criminals were gathered what about those that mossad killed? Only high ranking men were trailed at Nuremberg. Also if you know they are hiding in Britain then why single out Ireland? I believe he would have given Laine asylum due to Celtic routes or would you disagree? He was trying to free Brittany not fight for the Nazis. Again Britain also did this on a larger scale.
@StaXDesigns Churchill knew the evidence against those tried meant the verdict was a foregone conclusion and that that it was probably a waste of time and money but he did favour trials,opposed to Stalins solution which was to slaughter thousands of Germans,an idea not totaly dissmissed by the U.S. Presedent!There were 2 trials at Nuremberg.Not all war criminals were caught,some changed their identities and fled Germany.de Valera openly welcomed them, and not just Celtic mass murderers!
@muv1912 You said before all war criminals were trialed? Trying to justify the actions of Britain. And no actually De Valera did not allow any nazi to seek refuge he only let a handful in. Why would De Valera tell Britain it is none of their business it was delt with by the Garda. That is the exact thing De Valera didn't want he was sick of Ireland getting ordered he wanted sovereignty. There have been IRA men who are fascists but we do not support them we support those like Frank Ryan.
@muv1912 De Valera let Nazis in because he US tried to order them not too challenging their new sovereignty. Irish neutrality leaned in favour of the Allies, letting them use the 'Donegal Corridor' imprisoning nazis who crash landed in the 26 counties for the duration of the war, while allies were allowed to cross the border. The Vatican had NO POWER in Italy remember the King had just signed over to Mussolini under force it is a totally different topic.
@StaXDesigns deValera played both sides to suit his own aims!Any swing towards Britain was because he saw then as a bigger threat!He granted asylum to known war criminals,Celestin Laine,responsible for the torture and murder of civilians in occupied Brittany was advised by de Valera to use an allias so he,(de Valera)if asked by the French if he(Laine)was in Ireland, he (de Valera) could"truthfully" answer no! Interesting to hear you say that"GODS REPRESENTATIVE ON EARTH" has no power!!!
@muv1912 He condemned for the same reasons other people do, not because he's a Nazi but because firstly they were not fair trials, obviously a lot of those being trialled would have got the same punishment. But these unfair trails is how the Nazi Party got their power (Treaty of Versailles). Remember these trials led to Israeli hit squads going and murdering former German soldiers. Of course many of them bigoted Nazis. But some were men fighting for their country as seen in Valkyrie.
@StaXDesigns What exactly was unfair about the trials at Nuremberg?Ordinary German soldiers"fighting for their country"weren't on trial,those responsible for mass murder etc were tried.The evidence was given against them,they had legal representation to put their defence, where's the injustice?Israeli hit squads murdering former German soldiers, wtf? Republicans justify ira bombings of civilians by saying Britain was responsible for the famine,6,000,000 jews were murdered,what do you expect?
@muv1912 The Judges, the Jury? It was biased as I said they would have got just about the same sentences some may have got a little less, but it was a biased trial. Responsible for mass-murder? The propaganda chief was there. Mossad hunted and murdered German troops some were guilty of crimes some just fought for their country, the IRA are called terrorists? 6 million Jews not 6 million Israeli's. seeing the difference? By saying that you have said Britain have got away with copying the Nazis...
@StaXDesigns Mossad hunted KNOWN PERPETRATORS OF WAR CRIMES,they didn't plant bombs in cinemas,shopping centres,city centres etc and murder innocent people at random,that my friend is TERRORISM!
Jews, Israelis ,would that be the same difference as "Irish" Americans or "Irish! Australians ect who funded Irish terrorism?,or Irish republicans supporting Basques etc and visa versa? Nuremberg,the evidence was heard,the defendants,mostly with German legal teams,were found guilty, where's the problem?
@muv1912 Mossad blow up Hotel rooms? Use letter bombs that can kill postmen, use exploding telephones which innocent people could pick up? They do not follow law e.g. abducting people in Rome etc... It is ignorant to think Jew and Israeli is the same thing. Muslims live in Israel so do Christians. And not all Jews are Israelis are they? One mans terrorist another mans freedom fighter. The Judges? the Jury (if their was one) were obviously biased.
@StaXDesigns I never said Jews and Israelis were the same thing,it's ignorant of you to imply that I did! The post war State of Israel absorbed the majority of Jewish refugees forced from their homes by nazis.Funny how you can easily ignore this link and condemn Israelis for supporting holocaust victims,yet you legitimise the support for the ira(not the best respecters of "law"!
@StaXDesigns your comments are typical of the "poor oppressed minority" who have a right to defend themselves yet condemn anyone who does the same!Anyone who disagrees are "obviously biased".Typical of the holier than though attitude of celtic fans who are never sectarian,never riot,and always behave impeccably and are constantly harassed by sectarianism while they recite their "historical songs".LMFAO
@muv1912 Again Vatican- 1st major organisation to condemn nazis. I have not said the IRA did nothing have I? I know there are racist Celtic fans but it isn't a majority are not, considering most supporters clubs like mine have antifa veiws and spread the same propaganda. Whereas as far as im aware Rangers do not correct? To me you seem like a non-racist/bigoted man, I'm not bigoted to you. And yes a lot of those songs are historical like rangers - slopes of the boyne.
@StaXDesigns Most of the Vaticans condemnation was directed at nazi treatment of Catholics not against their actions against jews etc!Yes, there are probably as many racist celtic fans as there are racist rangers fans,most celtic fans would deny this though.As for me being bigoted,I hate the ira, with good reason,I've carried coffins up the street because of them! I have Catholic friends and relations and foreign friends.You seem like a 3rd generation paddy who believes everything he hears!
@muv1912 In the Mit brennender Sorge the Vatican condemn the Nazis of racial beliefs. They condemn them of their Anti-Judaism views. I disagree with that being as many racist Celtic fans as we have had banners songs e.g. viva la quinta brigada, that all preech anti-racism. As far as I've seen Rangers sing WATP, like Hitler and Aryans it gives the view they believe their higher beings. And the Billy boys set up by a KKK fascist who murdered peopl
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karezza6 5 days ago
and Tiber!!!!!!!!!
80armargh 1 week ago
I think all the saxons, franks, and romans can go back to where they came from. The North of Iberia--France-- England-- should be Celtic lands again, for all the Celts. Time for the goose steppers to stomp there nazi asses back to the other side of the Danube and Elbe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
80armargh 1 week ago
@22grena ...and we arent too keen on you plastic paddies either !!!
mazyrun09 3 weeks ago
@mazyrun09 or paying the tax man either it seems
\o/ soon theyll be no huns in scotland \o/
WAXY950 2 weeks ago
Hate Rangers more, but when you hear Scottish Celtic supporters singing about how loyal they are to Ireland.. how are they any better?
1995Scotsman 3 weeks ago
@1995Scotsman How was Celtic founded? By Irish people who fled Ireland because of the discrimination by the British on our land. They fled to glasgow and edinburgh and set up Celtic and Hibs. Those scottish celtic supporters have Irish heritage in them. They have every right to be proud of their heritage. But I don't know why scottish people could wave a union jack, because thats what they fought against? Whats your national anthem about? Have some pride in your heritage.
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@mcgzer Yeah Scots flying a Union Jack is disgraceful, I agree with you.
But there's absoloutly no way the Celtic supporters all have Irish heritage.
I live in Dundee, and I kid you not, there's plenyt of Celtic supporters here.. their surnames are Smith, Williamson, Thompson, Fleming, Jones, Evans, etc. Of course they're not Irish. I know it was founded by an Irish priest, but they play in the SCOTTISH league.
I am very proud to be Scottish, and so should the Celts who're SCOTS!
1995Scotsman 3 weeks ago
@1995Scotsman So your problem is that supporters of an Irish team (but by no means exclusively Irish) are celebrating their Irish heritage?
MrJordiejeans 3 weeks ago
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How can they be an Irish team if they've always played in the Scottish league? Even if the Scots celebrate their 'Irish heritage'.. they're SCOTTISH; and frankly if they don't wanna be Scottish they can move to Ireland.
My family came from the Netherlands, but I don't sing and shout about how bravely the Dutch resistance fought against Nazi Germany?
1995Scotsman 3 weeks ago
@1995Scotsman There's absolutely nothing stopping you from singing about the Dutch resistance to the Nazis though.. you can sing about your Dutch heritage all you want just like Celtic fans can sing about their Irish heritage if they want.
18chriscfc88 2 weeks ago
@18chriscfc88
I know, but why would I want to? I'm from SCOTLAND.
The Glasweigans who had a great great great grandfather who was born in Ulster does NOT make him Irish.. so why not sing Scottish songs? Fly Scottish flags?
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Bigfrank364 3 weeks ago
Taxi driver brought peace to Ireland
justicepartyuk 3 weeks ago
@justicepartyuk
No, Bernie Clifton did.
mrhenryleopard 3 weeks ago
wer still better fans than rangers back then mon the hoops IRA fuck the huns
andrewlinden1 1 month ago
we owe are freedom to the ira, no matter what
dylanSRFCtallaght 1 month ago
@RFCjc1993 that idiot charles couldn't find nortehrn ireland on a map
brick897 2 months ago
@jamessential typical bigoted mentality you are scotlands shame!
MGziJOK3R 2 months ago
@MGziJOK3R I agree Rangers supporters are the scum on top of the bucket of shit that is Rangers.
22grena 2 months ago
Iontach, From a Rangers Fan
craigs8772 3 months ago
fuckin brilliant
crossbarry1 3 months ago 2
euro 2012 hère we come
henrikxzxz 3 months ago
@lennonnumber1 yes....... rangers fans dont love englan like celtic fans love IRELAND!!! and no they wouldnt know the words to god save the bitch......
ryansjp 3 months ago
@ryansjp if you love ireland so much why don't you fuck off over to the potatoe ridden shit hole
jamessential 3 months ago
@jamessential why dont yea fuck off to holland to billy you cunt!!!! patatos saved the world !!!! WE ARE ALL NEIL LENNON
MrKellyd330 2 months ago
@jamessential oh why hello you ENGLISH PRICK ......as a matter of fact i am from Ireland and pround of it!! so why dont u get back to fucking your queen? eh?
ryansjp 2 months ago
@ryansjp I see we the Irish get a good defending on the internet. *SARCASM*
brokenglassesshaner 2 months ago
@brokenglassesshaner eh ye we actualy do u twat?? haha every country loves ireleand espically scotland and USA ect unlike england ...what a kip!!
ryansjp 2 months ago
@ryansjp Yes, we may have but you certainly don't show it. Work on how you respond to others and there is no need for brainless comments like that. And visit Scotland you will find that a bit less than half of them are even fond us.
brokenglassesshaner 2 months ago
@jamessential Ireland not a shithole I don't see why you say it is.
brokenglassesshaner 2 months ago
@brokenglassesshaner @brokenglassesshane I know it's not, was just trying taking the mick out of the racist Irish in here......Beautiful place full of beautiful people, with the exception of the IRA and their supporters ;)
jamessential 2 months ago
@jamessential If people didn't support the IRA, the whole of Ireland would probably still be under British rule.
macunfraidh 2 months ago 13
@macunfraidh
The IRA that most people support had nothing to do with Irish independance.
beermuffs1 3 weeks ago
@beermuffs1 Not sure what you mean by that...
macunfraidh 3 weeks ago
@macunfraidh
Go read a history book.
beermuffs1 3 weeks ago
@beermuffs1 Instead of getting on your high-horse and making a smart-arse comment and insulting my intelligence, how about you look at your original statement and see how it can be misleading and confusing. Which IRA do "most people support"?
macunfraidh 3 weeks ago
@jamessential of course you announce yourself as a bigot and an idiot
brick897 2 months ago
@jamessential Because then you would have nothing to hate and lose the will to live.
22grena 2 months ago
just to let everyone know that Celtic fans are from SCOTLAND and 'the soliders song' is the IRISH national anthem...so i dont think they would know the words!!?
ryansjp 4 months ago
@ryansjp with Irish heritage and i am sure there was fans from Ireland at that game as a lot of irish people come to celtic park every week
celticforums 3 months ago
@celticforums ye maby a few thousand
ryansjp 3 months ago
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typical huns watching our videos ffs shows ure stadiums shit many of use actually know your songs none coz your all to tuned to what we are singing
celticcaz1 4 months ago
typical huns watching our videos ffs shows ure stadiums shit many of use actually know your songs none coz your all to tnes to what we are singing
celticcaz1 4 months ago
95% of those Celtic fans don't know the Soldier Song lol might know the first 2 lines and thats about it.
51wins 4 months ago
@51wins yea it sounds like only 5% of them singing... same old rangers fans always talking shite.
boy1belfast 4 months ago
The fans were much better back then.
TheCelticWayy 4 months ago
Soldiers Are We!
xExTeNDeDxMaGz 5 months ago
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MrAwsome0808 5 months ago
WE'LL CHANT A SOLDIER'S SONG
jorgeapalera 5 months ago
just like gpo 1916,sung in english,proud of our roots,irish and always
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lutino1 6 months ago
fuckin class......
hail hail.....
deancogan28 6 months ago
YNWA! <3
gboceltic 6 months ago
Celtic!
Monty946 7 months ago
fuckin magic :))
HAIL HAIL
1888Ruairi 7 months ago
1:16 pass back?
iiPwNxNo0bs 7 months ago
@iiPwNxNo0bs It was allowed before 1992.
TheMikeyReilly 7 months ago
what are all the lyrics for this song
jackblairful 7 months ago
@jackblairful google
oce1989 7 months ago
Amazing!!!!
OwenCeltic1888 7 months ago
eire 1916 you are a tit it wasnie that when yous cunts fell down the stairs and jock carried deed bodies aff the park you yousless prick
kkkhhhh1 8 months ago
Smells like tarrier in this motherfucker.
gmac1981hg 8 months ago
is this the Jungle?
MegaFootballer23 8 months ago
80 people haven't realised the famine is over.
Go home.
gmac1981hg 9 months ago
@gmac1981hg
The plantations are over. Take your monkey cousins home you planter bastard.
Primordialfan1 9 months ago 2
@Primordialfan1 Go home you filthy catholic faced, tattie munching, bead rattling, child abusing, fenian bastard.
Oh and big Jock knew.
gmac1981hg 9 months ago
@gmac1981hg
Erm. I live in my home country you ignorant planter monkey cunt.
If you're going to insult. TRY and do it intelligently ahahahahaha!
Primordialfan1 9 months ago
@Primordialfan1 Not much of a reply is it? Certainly not denying the child molesting part. Away back to your shithole Papal den ya beast.
Catholicism is an illness! It's a fucking sickness!
gmac1981hg 9 months ago
@gmac1981hg
Hahahahahaha Didn't like being called out on your retarded nature did you?
Who said I was Catholic you stupid bastard? Can you get ANYTHING right? LOL
Primordialfan1 9 months ago
@Primordialfan1 Your bestiality says you are a catholic. Not interfering with children is ONE thing I can get right that you can't. WATP.
gmac1981hg 8 months ago
@gmac1981hg
LOL Keep displaying your retarded nature you pathetic faggot. LOL.
I love how you think you're a person. I love how ANY rangers fan think they're people. Hahahahahaha
Primordialfan1 8 months ago
@Primordialfan1 You're boring me now. I don't wish to be in contact with a kiddie fiddler like yourself so this is my last reply to you. Enjoy sucking the priests cock.
gmac1981hg 8 months ago
@gmac1981hg
Run you cowardly retard RUN! Hahahahahahaha
You're a perfect example of why incest is bad. Hahaha
Primordialfan1 8 months ago
@gmac1981hg jesus you huns are worse than the jews with the holocaust,cant seem to get over it...our religion wasnt founded on the basis of a horny king of daughters =/ ours was founded by christ unlike you incest bastards
eire1916rf 8 months ago
@gmac1981hg Just so you know, Protestant Clergy abuse completely exceeds catholic clergy abuse. I can't fathom why you deem a religion because of a few sick bastards when your protestant background is just as guilty in terms of child abuse. Ignorant fuckers shouldn't throw stones in glass houses.
mikeyjj92 3 months ago
@gmac1981hg whats sick is how you can think a religion founded on the basis of sex is ok,worshipping christ yet not following the church christ established =/
eire1916rf 8 months ago
@eire1916rf Actually I'm an athiest and believe that religion is nothing more than ridiculous stories. What is really sick is a religion notorious for sexually abusing children. As I said before, Catholicism is an illness.
gmac1981hg 8 months ago
@gmac1981hg surely you can see its corruption in people who join the chruch rather than the churches core? surely its more stable then one founded on sex rather than it being a scandle 2000 odd years after it was founded?
eire1916rf 8 months ago
@eire1916rf It's seems to be a recurring theme going right the way to the top though. Make all the excuses you want, it went on at Celtic boys club, it seems to go on at various levels of the Catholic religion. Child molestation, just say no!
gmac1981hg 8 months ago
@gmac1981hg ok how can you be a thru hun (if possible) when you would type in a soldiers song on youtube the 3 catholic priests that actually did anything didnt do as much raping as the british army in my country and yours , ive always been curious,sorry to change the subject,but how can you wave the same uninon's flag that oppressed your country and your ancsestors for decades,centuries?
eire1916rf 8 months ago
@eire1916rf im scottish an couldnt agree more i dont know what shit gets pumped into there heads. so bring it down from the mass irish traitors. haail hail . if we didnt have half the tits we could be the new ireland we dont need them fuck those scum. get the brits out. get the brits out. get the brits out know
smonty2008 8 months ago
@smonty2008 a through scotsman are ya lad hail hail
eire1916rf 8 months ago
@gmac1981hg
tu sei malato...
Forza Irlanda libera...a casa gli Inglesi.
Ciao
FISCHIOLUNGO 7 months ago
@gmac1981hg then we are all dying and we dont want treatment.
eire1916rf 8 months ago
cuc
ckblowharp 9 months ago
GO HOME! WE DON'T WANT YOU!
chinnythewarrior 10 months ago
altogether now god bless the pope
henrikxzxz 10 months ago
Great support. Can someone tell me the lyrics. I only get it until "Soldiers are we".
Paddey04 1 year ago
@Paddey04 Whos lives are pledged to Ireland , Some have come , from a land beyond the waves , that all i got lol ALL TOGETHER NOW
liverpool4life1996 1 year ago
Its A Privelage For Ireland To Have Such A Great Team Sing There Praise For Our Country Its More Than A Club Its A Passion UP THE RA!
CelticBhoyHill16 1 year ago
can i just say i am a celtic fan and i do not support the ira one bit. I'm British, and I think the reason for me and my family supporting celtic is because my ancestors were irish immigrants who lived during the formation of celtic who raised money for them to survive in glasgow. My love for celtic is purely passion based. I'm not a pro-IRA rebel and that goes for many other tims. Of course i hate the rangers, but only because I love the rivalry and generally think they're horrible lol
primarkopolop 1 year ago
@primarkopolop At last, the voice of reason!
P.S. Ihope they stuff you today!lol
muv1912 1 year ago
fuckin brilliant
garmla 1 year ago
fantastic
henrikxzxz 1 year ago
fantastic i wish fans today would sing like that
henrikxzxz 1 year ago
WELL CHANNTT A SOLDIERSSS SONG, ALL TOGETHER NOW
SOLDDIIIERSS ARE WEEEEEEEEEE
BackFromNowere 1 year ago
What was the end result for this game?
glasgowdmon 1 year ago
Sheer Bliss, what a chant, how the days of travelling down the M8 and looking forward to ye auld rendition of the Soldier's Song belting out good stylee!!
Greetings from Leith, brothers, Up The Ra!
Justice4Lennon 1 year ago
Discracefull Sectarian Song this is..
sinnfeinmurderers 1 year ago
@sinnfeinmurderers learn the meaning of sectarian before using it you gombeen.
EireAontaighe 1 year ago
@EireAontaighe Gombeen...lmfao at u..... PADDY
sinnfeinmurderers 1 year ago
@sinnfeinmurderers if you think I'm ashamed of being Irish níl tú ceart sa ceann, mo gall amaideach...
EireAontaighe 1 year ago
I was on the jungle at this game. Hard to beat the atmosphere! Is there any way of getting a DVD of this game? Hail Hail!
AriseandgonowA1 1 year ago
I was on the jungle at this game. Hard to beat the atmosphere! Is there any way of getting a DVD of this game? Hail Hail!
AriseandgonowA1 1 year ago
Hitler stated in Mien Kampf "I believe that I am acting with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the lord"Hitler was born a Catholic and his views echoed that of the vatican who blame the Jews for the murder of Jesus.He was also anti communist which also suited the vatican since communism preaches atheism. a bit of that is from wyklipeedia buy i have red jews killed jeesus ina book though
GunmanForTheRa 1 year ago
@GunmanForTheRa Are you retarded? Hitler was the Head of Nazism when he rose to power (his new found religion) so therefore he could not be a catholic? The Vatican complained about the Nazis anti-judaism veiws so it clearly did not suit them.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns If nazism was,as you claim a religieon,why would the pope allow a party with links to him vote to make hitler(or as you say,head of this) a dictator?Why would the Catholic church allow its members to join the nazi party? And why would the pope himself sign an agreement saying Bishops had to swear allegiance to the nazi state? As late as the 70s/ 80s Bishops were telling members it was a SIN to attend services of OTHER RELIGIONS, unless it was a social occasion,wedding, funeral etc.
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 He did not start this religion till mid/late 1930s, It was partly Christian but most prayers were to the fuhrer (Hitler). The Pope signed the concordat in 1933 and broke it in 1937 I believe when the pope issued encyclical Mit brennender Sorge which condemned the Nazi ideology (being taught in these Nazi churches). The Concordat which the pope signed meant they had to as all soldiers did and I believe the schools did this (like in the morning).
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns In 1934 two jesuit priests drafted a report condemning breches of the concordat,it was handed to the vatican in 1955.Two years later it was released asMit Brennender Sorge only it had been watered down.5 days later Divini Redemptoris was released condemning communism in much stronger language!After the death of Pope PiusXI the new Pope, Pius XII (Euginio Pacelli, who negotiated the concordat)resumed normal diplomatic relations with hitler
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 sorry,1935
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 Well I'm not surprised it was watered down as fully breaking the concordat would put Catholics at risk as it did as many thousands of priests were killed during Nazi Germany. Condemning the communists is a lot easier and as they spread atheist views not surprising the church opposed it and did post it. Pius XII drafted the Mit Brennender Sorge whilst still a cardinal. During his reign he never negeotiated with the Nazi's in a friendly way.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns At Pacelli's express wish,Archbishop Cesare Orsenego the Berlin nuncio ,hosted a gala reception in honor of Hitlers 50th Birthday.Sounds very friendly to me!
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 You have a point there im surprised he would order it obviously it would be celebrated by the country but him requesting it is very weird considering he kept denouncing them. And the Pope probably dissolved it due to the concordat.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns Public denouncement of the nazis from the vatican was very rare and, when it came,tame to say the least.If you were a Catholic at that time what would you have made of the facts?1,The centre party(who originally expressed concern over nazism)endorsed hitler by voting yes on the enabling act.2The vatican lifts it's ban on members joining the nazi party.3 The vatican had a concordat that(supposedly)guaranteed the Catholic religeons future. Would you think he was worth fighting for?
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 1) They voted as the terms were all catholic buildings schools and religious ways would be protected. 2) Think about the other people that pissed off Hitler and what happened. 3) Concordat - Means catholics don't interfere with government as long as catholic ways are protected they had many of these with many nations including England.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns Exactly, now you're getting it! The pope was willing to deal with the devil,as long as he left the catholic church alone.Kill as many jews or commies as you like, invade Poland,France, anywhere, we'll keep quiet if you leave us alone!Good job people like Churchill stood up in defence of EVERYONE! There were women had toe nails pulled out rather than deal with nazies.Jesus was crucified to save everyone, the pope looks after his own. Gods representative on earth! dont think so!!!
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 No the Vatican have no right telling someone how to rune their country if I honest, their currently being crtisized today for doing it. As I've said they did reject the Nazi's anti-Judaism views. Communists were against any religion anyway, I personally do not mind communism but it would affect the church dramatically. Irish people 20 years previous had their teeth pulled out by the british for low key information. When Churchill was Home Secretary.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns At that time Irish republicans were engaged in a campain deliberately targeting civilians .I'd have hanged them!
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 Britain's death toll of Irish Civilians is in the millions, the IRA's toll of civilians would be lucky to reach the high thousands. Remember it has been proved this year the "heroes" of the British army targeted peaceful protesters.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns Once again, you quote figures that can only be corroborated in irish republican propaganda. Who were these "millions"?If you're refering to the famine, it wasn't British made, and didn't descriminate! Catholics and Protestants died!!!Scotlland suffered as well,they got up, wiped their arse, and got on with life and haven't threw a stone since the 1740s and are closer to self determination than the Irish.One thing the Irish are good at,BLAMING BRITAIN FOR THEIR OWN FAILINGS!!!!
muv1912 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns It was never proven that the British army targeted peaceful protesters, The British government apologized for the reaction of their troops in a RIOT SITUATION. Peaceful protesters don't throw stones, petrol bombs etc!!!
muv1912 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns And, if i was in the situation that the British troops were in then(welcomed by catholics when it suited, murdered when they turned their backs), I'dv'e had a month of "SUNDAYS"!
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 Firstly Cromwell's reign killed hundred of thousands Irish people through starvation and Murder. The Famine was of British cause as they were in charge of the country and everything in it, it was mostly those is the west and most southern in Ireland were the famine hit worst. So why did Cameron say the murders were unjust and unjustifiable? It is a known fact they started peaceful the RUC use'd to come in a batter fuck out of the protesters.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns We're down from millions to hundreds of thousands, slightly more believable! Britain didn't cause the potato blight, it came from America.It started there, spread to England, then Ireland and unlike Irish propaganda claims, it wasn't intentional! The hole island of Ireland was affected and there was, as there still is, Protestants all over the island!EVERYONE SUFFERED! You should look up facts not just republican propaganda!
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 Read bottom comment first
So you're saying the protesters should have let the RUC and British troops attack them? That is the main reason the provos got so much backing. It is disgusting that they had to protest for civil rights, if it were against black people Britain would never have got away with it as the USA did not. The protests were a replica of the USA's civil movement. Started peaceful the police try to stop their protest forcefully and of course a riot would break out.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns The RUC tried to stop an ILLEGAL PROTEST.The ira used the situation to their advantage, yes they recruited after bloody Sunday,THEY ALSO TARRED AND FEATHERED THOSE WHO DIDN'T SUPPORT THEM AND MURDERED CATHOLICS WHO DIDN'T AGREE WITH THEIR ROMANTIC DREAMS OF GLORY! That's why CATHOLIC bodies are still being dug up all over Ireland,THE DISSAPEARED!!!
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 An illegal protest that wouldn't of happened if Britain did not have inhuman and illegal laws in place? The IRA would not have had so much support if it wasn't for the British 2 class system. Why are you singling out them murdering Catholics? They are not a sectarian organisation unlike the UDA etc... It is true they killed some British supporting catholics but not a significant number. They also are digging up scores of thousands of bodies killed by the british over 800 years.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns Once again, you use fantacy! WHERE ARE ALL THESE SCORES OF THOUSANDS OF BODIES BEING DUG UP? Why are loyalists sectarian and republicans not?(the same destinction is made between rangers and celtic fans)Is it because it doesn't suit your vatican inspired aims?You are full of republican propaganda shit!!! You should read the facts on who killed who,you might be surprised!
muv1912 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns Once again, you use fantacy! WHERE ARE ALL THESE SCORES OF THOUSANDS OF BODIES BEING DUG UP? Why are loyalists sectarian and republicans not?(the same destinction is made between rangers and celtic fans)Is it because it doesn't suit your vatican inspired aims?You are full of republican propaganda shit!!! You should read the facts on who killed who,you might be surprised!
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 Loyalists target Catholic nationalists (e.g. writing C18 on bobby sands gravestone) the whole orange order is set up upon the view of being a higher race. Milltown cemetery has an unmarked field with scores of thousands of bodies upon each other. I'm not full of republican media shit, your full of voice dubbed british brainwashed shit. Unless they were part of a British service they were not targeted by the IRA. I think they were concentrating on a war instead of killing Catholics?
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns Catholic nationalists targeted loyalists, Catholics or anyone else opposed to their views! Why is it ok to MURDERsupporters of Britain and "sectarian" to MURDERsupporters of Ireland?You remind me of the wee boy who lifts his ball because his teams being beat! Are you trying to say the ira only killed security forces?You're saying I'm brainwashed!!! There have been loyalist graves desicrated. The orange order was started to protect protestants who were being attacked by catholics!
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 Did Loyalists target protestants? The Loyalist groups were opposed to Catholics having civil rights that's why they are sectarian. Yes but I doubt they have C18 written on them and you were calling the IRA nazi's? No the IRA did not only kill security forces. But the security forces did not only kill the IRA. I remember an 80 year old woman caught on a camera being shot with a harmless plastic bullet which killed her (shot from an RUC van).
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns There were many protestants killed by loyalists.I said the ira had links with nazis.They spied for,assisted and conspired with nazis!They planned to join with nazi forces to drive the British out of Northern Ireland,effectively turning the north into a nazi puppet state!(a wee bit more serious than a graffiti attack).There were protestants killed by plastic bullets too! Plastic bullets were only fired during riots,why was an 80 year old woman in the middle of a riot?
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 The only collaboration was that between a small group of IRA men headed by Sean Russell who tried to organise the Irish POWs in Germany to return to Ireland and join the IRA. No effort with the Nazi to be a Nazi State Irish wanted to prove it's independence at this time. Yes this was 60 years ago that was more recent. It was not a riot it was filmed by an American student she was walking with her shopping an RUC van stopped. shot her. and drove on.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns Yes, Sean Russell, HEAD OF THE IRA AT THE TIME, who wanted Hitler to send nazi troops to Northern Ireland and promised him 30,000 irish volunteers to join with them to drive the British out of the north! Only problem was, he couldn't muster 1/10 of them!! Where was this plastic bullet incident fillmed, in Hollywood, by noraid perhaps?I certainly haven't heard of drive by shootings by the RUC, an can find no reference to it.Please provide details!
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 Security forces in northern ireland killed 3 over 70 year olds 2 catholic 1 protestant. One of them (a catholic woman) shot by the RUC after a robbery had taken place. The other two shot by British army.There were 52 over 70 year olds killed from 1969 to present , of those killed in northern ireland 22 protestants 1 catholic killed by republicans. 5 protestants 14 catholics killed by loyalists! All listed as civilians! except 1 judge, killed by the ira.
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 You are correct that i cannot gather information on this but while i was on one of the mural tours i was told of this as one of the murals was dedicated to her, as with bloody sunday the family are fightitng the case in EU courts. I will ask my friend who helps with the tours her name.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns If this had happened as you describe it, caught on film etc,the republican propaganda machine would have had a field day. Nobody I know can remember hearing about it!There was a similar incident on one of the tv dramas, can't remember which one but it was total fiction!I've checked the records of all those killed since 1969 i can't find anyone over 70 killed by a plastic bullet.The only one I can find over 70 killed by the RUC was hit by a stray bullet after a robbery
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 And regarding Sean Russell he was not head of the IRA he was chief of staff (there was about 30 of these). I have researched this many times it was to recruit the Irish POWs into the IRA and yes their main goal at the time was to free the north. Now during this plan he also managed to bring Frank Ryan back to Ireland who was hiding from the Gestapo in Berlin. Wasnt just the IRA that collaborated with the Nazis.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns The ira were in contact with nazi Germany since 1939, in 1940, ira man Steven Hayes drew up and presented to Hitler plans for operation "kathleen".50,000 nazi troops were to be landed in northern ireland and joined by 30,000 ira men attacking the border.If this had succeeded, nazis would have had a foothold on the island, a threat to both Britain and the Republic! Thats how far the ira were willing to go!!! They couldn't find 30,000 ira men though!
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 *wasnt just the IRA that collaborated with the Nazis, The British Free Corps fought for them their leader the was the son of Winston Churchill's Minister for India. A small group of IRA men collaborated to get Irish POWs back to join the IRA nothing to do with Nazi control of the world. No one knew of the horrors the Nazis carried out until camps were first found in 1945. Meaning the IRA did not know of this. But loyalist knew this when they sprayed C18 on murals...
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns The whole world was aware of hitlers anti jewish sentiments from the early 1930s.In 1942 there were articles in newspapers in London and New York refering to a million jewish deaths at the hands of Hitler and Nazis.The first evidence of the true extent of the holocaust was found in Sobibor in 1944, then in other death camps in early 1945.IN MAY 1945 IRISH TEESHURT(or whatever)Eamon de Valera and IRISH PRRESIDENT Douglas Hyde signed a book of condolence on the death of Hitler!!!
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 Yes they were aware Hitler was an anti-Semite and a racist, but no even most Jews were not certain their fellows were being sent to death camps. Eamon de Valera and Hyde paid condolences to the German foreign minster to Ireland as his conduct during the war was irreproachable, and he did not want to add humiliation to his defeat.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns Why did they not send him a letter saying, look, you were a nice wee German but your boss was a nuttcase who deserved all he got! Most jews were well aware of the death camps as were those who watched them being loaded into cattle wagons on a daily basis all over europe,INCLUDING ROME!
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 Why would they send a man who is just doing his job that? He wasn't part of the Nazi party till they banned all other parties. And what happened to many German politicians after the war? They were imprisoned and some were killed. Most Jews were aware it was going on yes, but did Britain or America? No... What does the ones in Rome have anything to do with it? Mussolini was murdering any opposition. THE VATICAN WAS THE FIRST MAJOR ORGANISATION TO CONDEMN THE NAZIS.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns It doesn't matter who or what the German envoy to Dublin was, they signed a BOOK OF CONDOLENCES FOR THE DEATH OF HITLER!!! Showing sympathy for the death of the leader of nazism!Yes some nazis were killed after the war,others hid and lived out there lives in sympathetic countrys like Argentina and IRELAND! What has Rome got to do with it, ask the FEW survivors of the jews, rounded up and shipped off to the death camps, right under the nose of the vatican, who did nothing to help.
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 A BOOK OF CONDOLENCES TO THE AMBASSADOR IN DUBLIN. A Book called 'Justice Delayed - How Britain became a refuge for Nazi war criminals' highlights this. As did a TV programme 'Britain - The Nazi Safe House'. The Royal family and leading London Crown bankers funded Hitlers election to power. One brother-in-law, Prince Christoph of Hesse, was a member of the SS and flew fighters that attacked allied troops in Italy.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns I haven't read the book,or seen the programe but I have heard about nazi war criminals living in Britain,and other countries.After the war, many nazis changed their identities,fled germany and settled all over the world.Those who were responsible for war crimes and could be proven perpetrators of war crimes,were tried at Nuremberg,you have already shown your doubt about the validity of those convictions.Are you suggesting Britain round up all Germans and hang them on suspicion ?
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 NO I have said the trials were unfair even Churchill dismissed the trials at a point. So if all criminals were gathered what about those that mossad killed? Only high ranking men were trailed at Nuremberg. Also if you know they are hiding in Britain then why single out Ireland? I believe he would have given Laine asylum due to Celtic routes or would you disagree? He was trying to free Brittany not fight for the Nazis. Again Britain also did this on a larger scale.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns Churchill knew the evidence against those tried meant the verdict was a foregone conclusion and that that it was probably a waste of time and money but he did favour trials,opposed to Stalins solution which was to slaughter thousands of Germans,an idea not totaly dissmissed by the U.S. Presedent!There were 2 trials at Nuremberg.Not all war criminals were caught,some changed their identities and fled Germany.de Valera openly welcomed them, and not just Celtic mass murderers!
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 You said before all war criminals were trialed? Trying to justify the actions of Britain. And no actually De Valera did not allow any nazi to seek refuge he only let a handful in. Why would De Valera tell Britain it is none of their business it was delt with by the Garda. That is the exact thing De Valera didn't want he was sick of Ireland getting ordered he wanted sovereignty. There have been IRA men who are fascists but we do not support them we support those like Frank Ryan.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@muv1912 De Valera let Nazis in because he US tried to order them not too challenging their new sovereignty. Irish neutrality leaned in favour of the Allies, letting them use the 'Donegal Corridor' imprisoning nazis who crash landed in the 26 counties for the duration of the war, while allies were allowed to cross the border. The Vatican had NO POWER in Italy remember the King had just signed over to Mussolini under force it is a totally different topic.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns deValera played both sides to suit his own aims!Any swing towards Britain was because he saw then as a bigger threat!He granted asylum to known war criminals,Celestin Laine,responsible for the torture and murder of civilians in occupied Brittany was advised by de Valera to use an allias so he,(de Valera)if asked by the French if he(Laine)was in Ireland, he (de Valera) could"truthfully" answer no! Interesting to hear you say that"GODS REPRESENTATIVE ON EARTH" has no power!!!
muv1912 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns de Valera also condemned the trial of nazi murderers at nuremberg!
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 He condemned for the same reasons other people do, not because he's a Nazi but because firstly they were not fair trials, obviously a lot of those being trialled would have got the same punishment. But these unfair trails is how the Nazi Party got their power (Treaty of Versailles). Remember these trials led to Israeli hit squads going and murdering former German soldiers. Of course many of them bigoted Nazis. But some were men fighting for their country as seen in Valkyrie.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns What exactly was unfair about the trials at Nuremberg?Ordinary German soldiers"fighting for their country"weren't on trial,those responsible for mass murder etc were tried.The evidence was given against them,they had legal representation to put their defence, where's the injustice?Israeli hit squads murdering former German soldiers, wtf? Republicans justify ira bombings of civilians by saying Britain was responsible for the famine,6,000,000 jews were murdered,what do you expect?
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 The Judges, the Jury? It was biased as I said they would have got just about the same sentences some may have got a little less, but it was a biased trial. Responsible for mass-murder? The propaganda chief was there. Mossad hunted and murdered German troops some were guilty of crimes some just fought for their country, the IRA are called terrorists? 6 million Jews not 6 million Israeli's. seeing the difference? By saying that you have said Britain have got away with copying the Nazis...
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns Mossad hunted KNOWN PERPETRATORS OF WAR CRIMES,they didn't plant bombs in cinemas,shopping centres,city centres etc and murder innocent people at random,that my friend is TERRORISM!
Jews, Israelis ,would that be the same difference as "Irish" Americans or "Irish! Australians ect who funded Irish terrorism?,or Irish republicans supporting Basques etc and visa versa? Nuremberg,the evidence was heard,the defendants,mostly with German legal teams,were found guilty, where's the problem?
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 Mossad blow up Hotel rooms? Use letter bombs that can kill postmen, use exploding telephones which innocent people could pick up? They do not follow law e.g. abducting people in Rome etc... It is ignorant to think Jew and Israeli is the same thing. Muslims live in Israel so do Christians. And not all Jews are Israelis are they? One mans terrorist another mans freedom fighter. The Judges? the Jury (if their was one) were obviously biased.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns I never said Jews and Israelis were the same thing,it's ignorant of you to imply that I did! The post war State of Israel absorbed the majority of Jewish refugees forced from their homes by nazis.Funny how you can easily ignore this link and condemn Israelis for supporting holocaust victims,yet you legitimise the support for the ira(not the best respecters of "law"!
muv1912 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns your comments are typical of the "poor oppressed minority" who have a right to defend themselves yet condemn anyone who does the same!Anyone who disagrees are "obviously biased".Typical of the holier than though attitude of celtic fans who are never sectarian,never riot,and always behave impeccably and are constantly harassed by sectarianism while they recite their "historical songs".LMFAO
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 Again Vatican- 1st major organisation to condemn nazis. I have not said the IRA did nothing have I? I know there are racist Celtic fans but it isn't a majority are not, considering most supporters clubs like mine have antifa veiws and spread the same propaganda. Whereas as far as im aware Rangers do not correct? To me you seem like a non-racist/bigoted man, I'm not bigoted to you. And yes a lot of those songs are historical like rangers - slopes of the boyne.
StaXDesigns 1 year ago
@StaXDesigns Most of the Vaticans condemnation was directed at nazi treatment of Catholics not against their actions against jews etc!Yes, there are probably as many racist celtic fans as there are racist rangers fans,most celtic fans would deny this though.As for me being bigoted,I hate the ira, with good reason,I've carried coffins up the street because of them! I have Catholic friends and relations and foreign friends.You seem like a 3rd generation paddy who believes everything he hears!
muv1912 1 year ago
@muv1912 In the Mit brennender Sorge the Vatican condemn the Nazis of racial beliefs. They condemn them of their Anti-Judaism views. I disagree with that being as many racist Celtic fans as we have had banners songs e.g. viva la quinta brigada, that all preech anti-racism. As far as I've seen Rangers sing WATP, like Hitler and Aryans it gives the view they believe their higher beings. And the Billy boys set up by a KKK fascist who murdered peopl