Are y'all serious we all have a little bit of everything in us duh! French.. black ...Native American... Spanish if you think for one second your pure blood in Louisiana your smoking some good stuff!
To all of you reading who speak no French and have never talked with anyone IN FRENCH in Louisiana, your beloved term "Cajun" used to signify essentially white trash the poorest of the poor people. To keep from getting that stereotype people say they are LOUISIANA FRENCH, not Cajun. Do you call openly call yourself and are you honestly proud to call yourself a redneck? No, exactly. The same thing with the old people in Louisiana. They call themselves FRENCH. Not Cajun. Cajun isn't a real term.
@Spatcher omg! are you just a child acting mad?? Cajun is not a real term you say. You should leave the discussion because you are to ignorant to be in it. sorry but true. you are just trying to elicit an angry response.
@jhnb12876 I can understand Spatcher's frustration. You're here recounting the mythistory that has divided us, rather than unifying us. Although, you believe in racialisation, so you likely think that such things are innate (you make references to "blood" all the time), and thus natural.
I urge you to reconsider your position.
I would be happy to communicate with you about this more seriously.
Christophe[dot]Landry[at]yahoo[dot]com is my email address.
@criollokid80 i underestand it to. wow. some heavy words you say. i never wanted to divide. i have not said anything about dividing all i have every said this in this discussion is that i think your title id wrong for the video and that the creole and cajun culture are different. I have said they are some simularities. of course. you are painting me a color i am not. i said facts as i know them but you paint me as racialization? wow i have not dehumanize anyone. You are using flamable Language.
@jhnb12876 do you even know what racialisation means? It means the grouping of humans into races. All individuals practicing racialisation, actively or passively, are racialists. When you stated "I see you are black," that was the confirmation I needed. Before that, you stated that Creoles are "mixed" and Cajuns descendents of Canadians, presumably whites. Your own words speak for yourself.
But I do agree that racialising is dehumanising. That makes you a hypocrite, though.
@Spatcher I think it would have been better to write that Cajun, as a term representing group consciousness, or self-identification, has no profound historical basis. Because then you avoid issues of misinterpretation.
Cajun is clearly real for jhnb12876, it is for entrepreneurs trying to sell their products for profit, but it isn't real for everyone.
In linguistics, it means absolutely nothing.
But these folks wouldn't know it because they speak English only.
@criollokid80 you are there.They called themselves acadians and it eventually became Cajun.You do not even know history my friend and now you attack me. You have problem my friend that seem deep. You skirt the facts i say and say being Cajun or Creole we should not really look at ancestry when that is the method you use to find out that you are as you told me.You do not wish to see truth but to futher your agenda is beyond obvious. this has been an eye opener. You are truly a closed minded man.
@jhnb12876 Where's your proof that "they called themselves acadians and it eventually became Cajun?"
I agree, I do not know everything, so I don't know all events and experiences in time (history), but I do know a vast amount of the histories of Louisiana, Canada, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Cuba and Puerto Rico.
And I know that your perception is the same mythistory in tourism guides that make NOLA and Lafayette rich in tourism dollars, but poor in historical accuracy.
@jhnb12876 No person in Louisiana who indeed "feel" Cajun will use a dictionary to prove their point. Dictionaries simply reflect usage of terms at given moments in time. If you looked up Cajun in a 1900 dictionary for English or any language, you won't locate it. Nor will you find it before that, nor in any dictionary until the 1980s, if not the 1970s.
French Canadians have always designated Québec and its inhabitants. Nova Scotia and New Brunswick were never included in that expression.
there you go. they were called acadians then cajuns. i can send more if you want. long live Cajun and Creole culture!! please stop the hating??? both are great languages and cultures we should uphold! PEACE my friend!
@jhnb12876 "long live Cajun and Creole culture!!" Bingo. Long live the one culture. Cause there aren't more than one. There is only one. I'll stop "hating" when you learn to speak our languages and can communicate with me in the manner in which our ancestors understood one another.
Stay away from wikipedia, wiktionary, and other online sites. They will doom you.
@criollokid80 your words YOU SAID: "Alternate realities are useful and real, you know" you are in a alternate reality of your untuth so stop speading lies. to say cajun and creole is the same then why the 2 names. sir you are an idiot for sure. i offer peace and you still hate. have a good life in as YOU say YOUR ALTERNATE fake reality. anyone who reads this please do an independant study yourself and you will see the truth. sorry i unfortunatly met you!
@jhnb12876 That really means that we do not all experience life the same, and thus interpret events in life differently. That is real.
I'm not unfortunate to have crossed you, though.
I learn something from every interaction/person.
And yes, please do "independent studies" and stay away from Wikipedia, Wiktionary, and Tourism histories. Stick with original documents in Louisiana courthouses and churches.
You won't find mention of Cajuns; that's "the truth."
i feel you are in an alternate reality. Because you do not care for truth. you want it the way you see it and that is truly your reality. a good day to you. very eye opening. i guess you the next attack for you is to call me a racist? right? man i hope i am wrong but i doubt it.
@jhnb12876 Alternate realities are useful and real, you know. We don't all experience life (reality) to the same beat. I'm challenging your cajuncentric and racialist rhetoric. I'm saying that there are painful and clear misconceptions, misinterpretations, lies and myths in your statements. I offered you an olive branch to dialogue sensibly, and you are disinterested. I can only conclude that you are the obstinate one and wish to live in your carefully designed reality. That's fine. Enjoy it.
@criollokid80 no, you both, you are not racist! just not the same generation! you each have different ideas. The video showing about the French culture (cajun, creole....) and how they live now in Louisiana.
@Spatcher Huh? Not all white people of French descent are Cajuns. You have to also remember that many white people are French Creoles especially those in the Natchitoches area. They are descendants of people directly from France and not from Cajuns who are French via Canada. Does that make any sense? Louisiana history and technicalities can get really confusing and to understand our culture truly takes study. Heck, most Creoles and Cajuns get confused.
it aint about lifestye. you can only be a creole or cajun by family blood not lifestyle. We can not pick the blood culture we are born into. but yes we can participate in others. i still like the video. lol.
@jhnb12876 I wonder if you're going to be going on and on about blood if one day you need a heart transplant. Will you request a heart from a Cajun (white person)? Your doctors will laugh in your face and quickly remind you that genetically, you are no different from someone whose 8 times darker than you.
Even if you wished to entertain this with ancestry, Huey P. Long once stated "you can feed all 'pure whites' in Louisiana with a nickel's worth of red beans and dime's worth of rice."
Genealogically nor culturally there is nothing "unique" about Cajuns, who are all culturally creole.
What's more is that NOLA could not exist without farmers in the hinterland. It is the cash crops raised there that made NOLA the busiest port in North America after NYC.
For this reason, traffic between NOLA and the hinterland was crucial in the economic interests of the colony, territory and state.
That forged exogamous marriages that deteriorated those artificial barriers you now adhere 2
@jhnb12876 By your definition, there are a LOT of people who are neither but who live in Louisiana and who are just as engaged in the culture as you or I. You cannot say that blood is what makes it because there are so many mixed blood lines that "Cajun" probably no longer really exists. Do you know that your beloved Acadians welcome many immigrants from AFRICA, who feel just as, and are treated just as Acadian as someone who's been there for 200+ years?
@Spatcher i agree you can be part of a culture and not be cajun or creole. i was just making thr point that to be a cajun of course you must trace your family tree back to Acadie by blood that is all.
wow my familt owned lilly plantation in Convent. pretty close we are i have my whole family tree and no Creole in me. You talk well but fall short my friend they are 2 different cultures. The closer to new orleans you go there is some creole i think you know this. Why don't you admit and say the Cajuns from Acadie settled 90% west of new orleans to texas 240 years ago and could not have had a very simular culture as you are trying to say.
@jhnb12876 You wouldn't acknowledge créolité if it bit you in the but, sir. It's an artificial barrier that you created in your mind and are not willing to stretch.
Also, you've never heard me speak, although I do *speak* well, yes, but I think here you mean that I write well, which may be accurate.
@jhnb12876 Also, ACADIANS didn't settle anyplace, they were sent to live in 4 locations: Manchac, St. James, Attakapas/Opelousas, and Lafourche.
In successive generations (by 1850) they had descendants all across the South, including in New Orleans, St. Tammany, and Jefferson Parishes. By that point, they were no longer consciously Acadians, anyways. The stifling heat, cultivation, swamps and people of South Louisiana make u quickly forget about blisteringly cold Canada.
Are you trying to rewrite history the way YOU think it is? Anyone that is from here knows Creole and Cajun are two different cultures. Maybe you are not from South east Louisiana and do not know this i do not know? Creoles never lived in 95% of where the Cajuns have been living for over 240 years!
@jhnb12876 Settle down. I was born and raised in Lafayette/New Iberia with immediate family in New Orleans where i spent many summers.
Additionally, I am an historian. Not the kind that reads wikipedia articles or takes everything that the media, tourism and pépère and mémé say. The kind that lives in archives and works with primary sources.
Further, history is constantly being "rewritten." Why? Because we always discover something new in the archives shifting our perceptions.
@jhnb12876 Also, judging from your dates and estimates, you clearly do not know the actual history of the state of Louisiana.
I cannot fully blame you, however, since it is what appears in Louisiana history books in schools, it appears on TV and it has become the "common sense" history people recount.
good video. Well done. I disagree with the title a little though. This is not Just Creole you have a lot of Cajun culture in here which is very Different than creole. Creole IS NOT Cajun. Creole is a very Much a New Orleans and the immediate surounding area of N.O.. Creole is a mixture of French-Spanish-Hatian-African mix with all languages repersented in Creole. Cajun is a mix of almost all French and English as far as the Language.
@jhnb12876 You clearly speak neither Louisiana French nor Louisiana Creole, because if you did, you'd know that both share the exact same lexical features, intonations, inflection, cadence; but only the grammar is different. Social scientists in the fields of enquiry of language and culture, which includes myself, the co-creator of this video, cannot explain the origin of the grammar of Louisiana Creole. It's likely a composite grammar, but then again, so are all grammars of all languages spoken
@criollokid80 It seems you are just saying recent culture but you can not neglect 200 years of different culture my friend. it seems you are full of anger by your last comment. did not want that to happen. I do speak some French of course both my grandfather that is all they knew growing up. a know they are simular creole is mostly french in origin becuase of the French settleing New Orleans. There is a big difference in Cajun bood and creole blood.Cajun and Creole are ancesteral terms
@jhnb12876 No, this video pertains to Louisiana history and culture as it began from 1699 until the present.
You keep referring to "blood" (our blood only contains plasma, platelets, hemoglobin, leukocytes), but culture is not entirely contingent on ancestry, you know. Thousands of Prussians, Spaniards, Cubans, Mexicans, Houma, Chitimacha, Choctaw, Wolofs, Bambera, etc became Creoles speaking Louisiana French, Louisiana Creole, many of whom speak it this day (myself included).
Respond to this video... I speak English, eat burgers, say "dude" and "OMG" but I'm not of Anglo-Saxon ancestral origins, nor are most people in the United States.
Further, if you allowed me to show you around, you'd discover that Cajuns, as a self-defining group, did not exist until the 1950s-1980s. Those who made it to LA were not numerous (only 2500-2900) and were completely surrounded by LCs who were much more numerous. This is why you've many Cajuns who speak LC, maternally.
@jhnb12876 I wanted to here mention that Louisiana Creole language is spoken all across the state and cross-racially, in parishes as far north as Natchitoches, as far west as Cameron and Calcasieu and as for east as St. Bernard and Plaquemines parishes, in addition to parishes all along Bayous Teche, Vermilion, the Mississippi River.
St. James Parish is HEAVILY Creolophone. Convent and Vacherie are hotspots for Louisiana Creole.
Including folks who are BOUDREAUX, HÉBERT, etc and are white.
@criollokid80 wanted to say also where ever you had slave trade it was more creole. Most Cajuns did not own slaves. Those who settled on the river some did. As far mas your anger and eleite snuttiness you express i can speak some french but i did not take french in school as you did. So i can not write it much at all. Please i would love to see the proof you have of Creole is being spoken as fluently as french is in cajun country in north Louisiana.
@jhnb12876 You're seriously saying that "most Cajuns [Acadians] did not own slaves?" Do you realise that the largest slave owners in the Antebellum south were folks of ACADIAN parents and grandparents in Ascension and St James Parishes?!!
All along bayous Teche, Vermilion and the Mississippi, people of Acadian stock owned slaves, and LOTS of them.
What's more is Acadians worked as engagés, day laborers and sharecroppers in the same fields with slaves and "blacks."
My uni professors at ULL can attest to my speaking French already when I arrived there.
And there weren't immersion programmes in my city when I was in grade school.
You're trying to justify my speaking French because you have no sound arguments, because you do not wish to accept that you've a skewed vision of history, culture and reality as a result of it.
Send me your email and I'll send you the "proof" you request.
I have worked in lafayette and south and west of lafayette in sales and know they talk french. There is NOWHERE in LOUISIANA that Cerole is spoken fluently like cajun French is. Not just phares are certain words. You know all i am saying is true. I am not knoking Creole by any means at all. It is a part of Louisiana. The whole point is although a few things are simular they are 2 different cultures.
@jhnb12876 You're speaking to a native speaker of Louisiana French (I have no idea what Cajun French is) and Louisiana Creole. However, you refuse to accept this so I've no choice but to accept that you live in denial about a great many things.
Again, you draw these conclusions because you don't speak the languages. Knowing a word or two isn't sufficient for understanding what I'm explaining to you.
@criollokid80 well i see you are black so you know there is a good possibility off the bat that you more than i that you have creole in you. First you a wrong go ask people from Lafayette if 50 years ago they made gumbo like in New Orleans, no, Creoles made it with okra and file to thicken, ask if they eat red beans a lot, no. ask if they ate jambalaya, no. Was eating crawfish as popular as it is now in New Orleans 60 years ago, no. they are simular because of the gulf and French sauce.
@jhnb12876 Be careful with assumptions you make. Black is a matter of opinion rather than fact. As for as my birth certificate is concerned, I am white. But it doesn't change anything about my culture. The inferences you make because of race is what is prohibiting you from making the connections you claim to wish to make.
In my region my neighbors all make gumbo and use filé, and my own family makes okra gumbo regularly, it is my favourite.
We urge you to be less restrictive and rigid in your notions about culture, who can, cannot and do practice culture and why.
In Louisiana, if you're a Francophone, Creolophone, Hispanophone, or stem from these origins in Louisiana, then you share the same culture with everyone throughout the state, particularly as it pertains to language, cuisine, religions, music, dance, vision and group consciousness.
Forget about ancestry for a bit and look at lifestyle.
@criollokid80 not being restrictive or rigid buddy just saying what the different definitions of Creole and Cajun are. That is all. Did not say ANYTHING about someone engaging or not engaging in someones culture. Sorry i Was born a Cajun not Creole in ST, JAmes parich in Lutcher, louisiana and grew up 20 miles out side of New Orleans. That is not at All a true statement to say that a CAjun in Acadia parish share a culture with Non creole or Cajun people in northern Louisiana.
@jhnb12876 Actually, if they both speak English they do share the same culture, and even more so if they both plan corn, rice or cotton.
For sure, Louisiana Creoles and Cajuns are Americans, you'd be writing me in French if you felt so intrinsically attached to your roots. But you're writing me in English.
So, in that regard, lifestyle and topography transcend notions of identity, that, often in the U.S., are not reflections of lifestyle, rather than ancestry.
By the way, my mother's family, the VAVASSEURs, LANOUX, LANDRY, etc come from Convent in St. James Parish. They identified as Creoles in the 19th century (I've family letters to prove it) and they continue to identify as such in 2011, despite having a historical presence, at some point, in Acadia. Manresa Retreat in Convent was land sold by my family in 1821 and 1831 for the school.
@criollokid80 they eat different up north Lousiana. A way different culture they never spoke french. Cajun and Creole are different because New Orleans were settled by the french directly from France the Cajuns came later and DID NOT settle in New Orleans but from the north of N.O. to Baton rouge west to Texas. I do nopt write this in anger or to argue but there is a difference Cajun have had a sperate culture from Creole for over 200 years, Yes language is simular because of french.
@jhnb12876 There are cultural enclaves in Central and North Louisiana that are creole. They eat and cook the same foods as people in Lafayette who prepare the same dishes as folks in NOLA.
As a matter of fact, Acadians were numerous in NOLA. Peruse the SLC books and you'll see them there.
Spanish and French are similar, because of Latin origins, but it does not make them the same languages and they are not mutually intelligible (I speak both, also).
@criollokid80 Are you trying to rewrite history the way YOU think it is? Anyone that is from here knows Creole and Cajun are two different cultures. Maybe you are not from South east Louisiana and do not know this i do not know? Creoles never lived in 95% of where the Cajuns have been living for over 240 years!
Are y'all serious we all have a little bit of everything in us duh! French.. black ...Native American... Spanish if you think for one second your pure blood in Louisiana your smoking some good stuff!
DJ2Serious 4 months ago
Blah, blah, blah! Shut the fuck up and enjoy the goddamned video! If you don't like it, move the fuck on!
cajunslovesatan 8 months ago 2
To all of you reading who speak no French and have never talked with anyone IN FRENCH in Louisiana, your beloved term "Cajun" used to signify essentially white trash the poorest of the poor people. To keep from getting that stereotype people say they are LOUISIANA FRENCH, not Cajun. Do you call openly call yourself and are you honestly proud to call yourself a redneck? No, exactly. The same thing with the old people in Louisiana. They call themselves FRENCH. Not Cajun. Cajun isn't a real term.
Spatcher 8 months ago
@Spatcher omg! are you just a child acting mad?? Cajun is not a real term you say. You should leave the discussion because you are to ignorant to be in it. sorry but true. you are just trying to elicit an angry response.
jhnb12876 8 months ago
@jhnb12876 I can understand Spatcher's frustration. You're here recounting the mythistory that has divided us, rather than unifying us. Although, you believe in racialisation, so you likely think that such things are innate (you make references to "blood" all the time), and thus natural.
I urge you to reconsider your position.
I would be happy to communicate with you about this more seriously.
Christophe[dot]Landry[at]yahoo[dot]com is my email address.
criollokid80 8 months ago
@criollokid80 i underestand it to. wow. some heavy words you say. i never wanted to divide. i have not said anything about dividing all i have every said this in this discussion is that i think your title id wrong for the video and that the creole and cajun culture are different. I have said they are some simularities. of course. you are painting me a color i am not. i said facts as i know them but you paint me as racialization? wow i have not dehumanize anyone. You are using flamable Language.
jhnb12876 8 months ago
@jhnb12876 do you even know what racialisation means? It means the grouping of humans into races. All individuals practicing racialisation, actively or passively, are racialists. When you stated "I see you are black," that was the confirmation I needed. Before that, you stated that Creoles are "mixed" and Cajuns descendents of Canadians, presumably whites. Your own words speak for yourself.
But I do agree that racialising is dehumanising. That makes you a hypocrite, though.
criollokid80 8 months ago
@Spatcher I think it would have been better to write that Cajun, as a term representing group consciousness, or self-identification, has no profound historical basis. Because then you avoid issues of misinterpretation.
Cajun is clearly real for jhnb12876, it is for entrepreneurs trying to sell their products for profit, but it isn't real for everyone.
In linguistics, it means absolutely nothing.
But these folks wouldn't know it because they speak English only.
:-)
criollokid80 8 months ago
@criollokid80 you are there.They called themselves acadians and it eventually became Cajun.You do not even know history my friend and now you attack me. You have problem my friend that seem deep. You skirt the facts i say and say being Cajun or Creole we should not really look at ancestry when that is the method you use to find out that you are as you told me.You do not wish to see truth but to futher your agenda is beyond obvious. this has been an eye opener. You are truly a closed minded man.
jhnb12876 8 months ago
@jhnb12876 Where's your proof that "they called themselves acadians and it eventually became Cajun?"
I agree, I do not know everything, so I don't know all events and experiences in time (history), but I do know a vast amount of the histories of Louisiana, Canada, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Cuba and Puerto Rico.
And I know that your perception is the same mythistory in tourism guides that make NOLA and Lafayette rich in tourism dollars, but poor in historical accuracy.
criollokid80 8 months ago
@criollokid80 CAJUN ('ka:-j@n), n. A person of French Canadian descent born or living along the
bayous, marshes, and prairies of southern Louisiana. The word Cajun began in 19th
century Acadie (now Nova Scotia, Canada) when the Acadians began to arrive. The
French of noble ancestry would say, "les Acadiens", while some referred to the Acadians
as "le 'Cadiens", dropping the "A". Later came the Americans who could not pronounce
"Acadien" or "'Cadien", so the word "Cajun" was born.
jhnb12876 7 months ago
@jhnb12876 No person in Louisiana who indeed "feel" Cajun will use a dictionary to prove their point. Dictionaries simply reflect usage of terms at given moments in time. If you looked up Cajun in a 1900 dictionary for English or any language, you won't locate it. Nor will you find it before that, nor in any dictionary until the 1980s, if not the 1970s.
French Canadians have always designated Québec and its inhabitants. Nova Scotia and New Brunswick were never included in that expression.
criollokid80 7 months ago
there you go. they were called acadians then cajuns. i can send more if you want. long live Cajun and Creole culture!! please stop the hating??? both are great languages and cultures we should uphold! PEACE my friend!
jhnb12876 7 months ago
@jhnb12876 "long live Cajun and Creole culture!!" Bingo. Long live the one culture. Cause there aren't more than one. There is only one. I'll stop "hating" when you learn to speak our languages and can communicate with me in the manner in which our ancestors understood one another.
Stay away from wikipedia, wiktionary, and other online sites. They will doom you.
criollokid80 7 months ago
@criollokid80 your words YOU SAID: "Alternate realities are useful and real, you know" you are in a alternate reality of your untuth so stop speading lies. to say cajun and creole is the same then why the 2 names. sir you are an idiot for sure. i offer peace and you still hate. have a good life in as YOU say YOUR ALTERNATE fake reality. anyone who reads this please do an independant study yourself and you will see the truth. sorry i unfortunatly met you!
jhnb12876 7 months ago
@jhnb12876 That really means that we do not all experience life the same, and thus interpret events in life differently. That is real.
I'm not unfortunate to have crossed you, though.
I learn something from every interaction/person.
And yes, please do "independent studies" and stay away from Wikipedia, Wiktionary, and Tourism histories. Stick with original documents in Louisiana courthouses and churches.
You won't find mention of Cajuns; that's "the truth."
criollokid80 7 months ago
i feel you are in an alternate reality. Because you do not care for truth. you want it the way you see it and that is truly your reality. a good day to you. very eye opening. i guess you the next attack for you is to call me a racist? right? man i hope i am wrong but i doubt it.
jhnb12876 8 months ago
@jhnb12876 Alternate realities are useful and real, you know. We don't all experience life (reality) to the same beat. I'm challenging your cajuncentric and racialist rhetoric. I'm saying that there are painful and clear misconceptions, misinterpretations, lies and myths in your statements. I offered you an olive branch to dialogue sensibly, and you are disinterested. I can only conclude that you are the obstinate one and wish to live in your carefully designed reality. That's fine. Enjoy it.
criollokid80 8 months ago
@criollokid80 no, you both, you are not racist! just not the same generation! you each have different ideas. The video showing about the French culture (cajun, creole....) and how they live now in Louisiana.
cajundecoeur 8 months ago
@cajundecoeur better said indeed!
jhnb12876 7 months ago
@Spatcher Huh? Not all white people of French descent are Cajuns. You have to also remember that many white people are French Creoles especially those in the Natchitoches area. They are descendants of people directly from France and not from Cajuns who are French via Canada. Does that make any sense? Louisiana history and technicalities can get really confusing and to understand our culture truly takes study. Heck, most Creoles and Cajuns get confused.
sambo861 6 months ago
it aint about lifestye. you can only be a creole or cajun by family blood not lifestyle. We can not pick the blood culture we are born into. but yes we can participate in others. i still like the video. lol.
jhnb12876 8 months ago
@jhnb12876 I wonder if you're going to be going on and on about blood if one day you need a heart transplant. Will you request a heart from a Cajun (white person)? Your doctors will laugh in your face and quickly remind you that genetically, you are no different from someone whose 8 times darker than you.
Even if you wished to entertain this with ancestry, Huey P. Long once stated "you can feed all 'pure whites' in Louisiana with a nickel's worth of red beans and dime's worth of rice."
criollokid80 8 months ago
Genealogically nor culturally there is nothing "unique" about Cajuns, who are all culturally creole.
What's more is that NOLA could not exist without farmers in the hinterland. It is the cash crops raised there that made NOLA the busiest port in North America after NYC.
For this reason, traffic between NOLA and the hinterland was crucial in the economic interests of the colony, territory and state.
That forged exogamous marriages that deteriorated those artificial barriers you now adhere 2
criollokid80 8 months ago
@jhnb12876 By your definition, there are a LOT of people who are neither but who live in Louisiana and who are just as engaged in the culture as you or I. You cannot say that blood is what makes it because there are so many mixed blood lines that "Cajun" probably no longer really exists. Do you know that your beloved Acadians welcome many immigrants from AFRICA, who feel just as, and are treated just as Acadian as someone who's been there for 200+ years?
Spatcher 8 months ago
@Spatcher i agree you can be part of a culture and not be cajun or creole. i was just making thr point that to be a cajun of course you must trace your family tree back to Acadie by blood that is all.
jhnb12876 8 months ago
wow my familt owned lilly plantation in Convent. pretty close we are i have my whole family tree and no Creole in me. You talk well but fall short my friend they are 2 different cultures. The closer to new orleans you go there is some creole i think you know this. Why don't you admit and say the Cajuns from Acadie settled 90% west of new orleans to texas 240 years ago and could not have had a very simular culture as you are trying to say.
jhnb12876 8 months ago
@jhnb12876 You wouldn't acknowledge créolité if it bit you in the but, sir. It's an artificial barrier that you created in your mind and are not willing to stretch.
Also, you've never heard me speak, although I do *speak* well, yes, but I think here you mean that I write well, which may be accurate.
criollokid80 8 months ago
@jhnb12876 Also, ACADIANS didn't settle anyplace, they were sent to live in 4 locations: Manchac, St. James, Attakapas/Opelousas, and Lafourche.
In successive generations (by 1850) they had descendants all across the South, including in New Orleans, St. Tammany, and Jefferson Parishes. By that point, they were no longer consciously Acadians, anyways. The stifling heat, cultivation, swamps and people of South Louisiana make u quickly forget about blisteringly cold Canada.
criollokid80 8 months ago
Are you trying to rewrite history the way YOU think it is? Anyone that is from here knows Creole and Cajun are two different cultures. Maybe you are not from South east Louisiana and do not know this i do not know? Creoles never lived in 95% of where the Cajuns have been living for over 240 years!
jhnb12876 8 months ago
@jhnb12876 Settle down. I was born and raised in Lafayette/New Iberia with immediate family in New Orleans where i spent many summers.
Additionally, I am an historian. Not the kind that reads wikipedia articles or takes everything that the media, tourism and pépère and mémé say. The kind that lives in archives and works with primary sources.
Further, history is constantly being "rewritten." Why? Because we always discover something new in the archives shifting our perceptions.
criollokid80 8 months ago
@jhnb12876 Also, judging from your dates and estimates, you clearly do not know the actual history of the state of Louisiana.
I cannot fully blame you, however, since it is what appears in Louisiana history books in schools, it appears on TV and it has become the "common sense" history people recount.
criollokid80 8 months ago
good video. Well done. I disagree with the title a little though. This is not Just Creole you have a lot of Cajun culture in here which is very Different than creole. Creole IS NOT Cajun. Creole is a very Much a New Orleans and the immediate surounding area of N.O.. Creole is a mixture of French-Spanish-Hatian-African mix with all languages repersented in Creole. Cajun is a mix of almost all French and English as far as the Language.
jhnb12876 8 months ago
@jhnb12876 You clearly speak neither Louisiana French nor Louisiana Creole, because if you did, you'd know that both share the exact same lexical features, intonations, inflection, cadence; but only the grammar is different. Social scientists in the fields of enquiry of language and culture, which includes myself, the co-creator of this video, cannot explain the origin of the grammar of Louisiana Creole. It's likely a composite grammar, but then again, so are all grammars of all languages spoken
criollokid80 8 months ago
@criollokid80 It seems you are just saying recent culture but you can not neglect 200 years of different culture my friend. it seems you are full of anger by your last comment. did not want that to happen. I do speak some French of course both my grandfather that is all they knew growing up. a know they are simular creole is mostly french in origin becuase of the French settleing New Orleans. There is a big difference in Cajun bood and creole blood.Cajun and Creole are ancesteral terms
jhnb12876 8 months ago
@jhnb12876 No, this video pertains to Louisiana history and culture as it began from 1699 until the present.
You keep referring to "blood" (our blood only contains plasma, platelets, hemoglobin, leukocytes), but culture is not entirely contingent on ancestry, you know. Thousands of Prussians, Spaniards, Cubans, Mexicans, Houma, Chitimacha, Choctaw, Wolofs, Bambera, etc became Creoles speaking Louisiana French, Louisiana Creole, many of whom speak it this day (myself included).
criollokid80 8 months ago
Respond to this video... I speak English, eat burgers, say "dude" and "OMG" but I'm not of Anglo-Saxon ancestral origins, nor are most people in the United States.
Further, if you allowed me to show you around, you'd discover that Cajuns, as a self-defining group, did not exist until the 1950s-1980s. Those who made it to LA were not numerous (only 2500-2900) and were completely surrounded by LCs who were much more numerous. This is why you've many Cajuns who speak LC, maternally.
criollokid80 8 months ago
@jhnb12876 I wanted to here mention that Louisiana Creole language is spoken all across the state and cross-racially, in parishes as far north as Natchitoches, as far west as Cameron and Calcasieu and as for east as St. Bernard and Plaquemines parishes, in addition to parishes all along Bayous Teche, Vermilion, the Mississippi River.
St. James Parish is HEAVILY Creolophone. Convent and Vacherie are hotspots for Louisiana Creole.
Including folks who are BOUDREAUX, HÉBERT, etc and are white.
criollokid80 8 months ago
@criollokid80 wanted to say also where ever you had slave trade it was more creole. Most Cajuns did not own slaves. Those who settled on the river some did. As far mas your anger and eleite snuttiness you express i can speak some french but i did not take french in school as you did. So i can not write it much at all. Please i would love to see the proof you have of Creole is being spoken as fluently as french is in cajun country in north Louisiana.
jhnb12876 8 months ago
@jhnb12876 You're seriously saying that "most Cajuns [Acadians] did not own slaves?" Do you realise that the largest slave owners in the Antebellum south were folks of ACADIAN parents and grandparents in Ascension and St James Parishes?!!
All along bayous Teche, Vermilion and the Mississippi, people of Acadian stock owned slaves, and LOTS of them.
What's more is Acadians worked as engagés, day laborers and sharecroppers in the same fields with slaves and "blacks."
criollokid80 8 months ago
I did not learn French at school, either.
My uni professors at ULL can attest to my speaking French already when I arrived there.
And there weren't immersion programmes in my city when I was in grade school.
You're trying to justify my speaking French because you have no sound arguments, because you do not wish to accept that you've a skewed vision of history, culture and reality as a result of it.
Send me your email and I'll send you the "proof" you request.
criollokid80 8 months ago
I have worked in lafayette and south and west of lafayette in sales and know they talk french. There is NOWHERE in LOUISIANA that Cerole is spoken fluently like cajun French is. Not just phares are certain words. You know all i am saying is true. I am not knoking Creole by any means at all. It is a part of Louisiana. The whole point is although a few things are simular they are 2 different cultures.
jhnb12876 8 months ago
@jhnb12876 You're speaking to a native speaker of Louisiana French (I have no idea what Cajun French is) and Louisiana Creole. However, you refuse to accept this so I've no choice but to accept that you live in denial about a great many things.
Again, you draw these conclusions because you don't speak the languages. Knowing a word or two isn't sufficient for understanding what I'm explaining to you.
criollokid80 8 months ago
@criollokid80 well i see you are black so you know there is a good possibility off the bat that you more than i that you have creole in you. First you a wrong go ask people from Lafayette if 50 years ago they made gumbo like in New Orleans, no, Creoles made it with okra and file to thicken, ask if they eat red beans a lot, no. ask if they ate jambalaya, no. Was eating crawfish as popular as it is now in New Orleans 60 years ago, no. they are simular because of the gulf and French sauce.
jhnb12876 8 months ago
@jhnb12876 Be careful with assumptions you make. Black is a matter of opinion rather than fact. As for as my birth certificate is concerned, I am white. But it doesn't change anything about my culture. The inferences you make because of race is what is prohibiting you from making the connections you claim to wish to make.
In my region my neighbors all make gumbo and use filé, and my own family makes okra gumbo regularly, it is my favourite.
criollokid80 8 months ago
Also, before "étouffée" was invented, my family and neighbours of the region had long been eating and making it, but they called it Crawfish Stew.
And the Jambalaya they've always eaten.
Step outside of your comfort zone, do more research and actually visit different places.
It's not what you think it is.
criollokid80 8 months ago
We urge you to be less restrictive and rigid in your notions about culture, who can, cannot and do practice culture and why.
In Louisiana, if you're a Francophone, Creolophone, Hispanophone, or stem from these origins in Louisiana, then you share the same culture with everyone throughout the state, particularly as it pertains to language, cuisine, religions, music, dance, vision and group consciousness.
Forget about ancestry for a bit and look at lifestyle.
This is the meaning of this clip
criollokid80 8 months ago
@criollokid80 not being restrictive or rigid buddy just saying what the different definitions of Creole and Cajun are. That is all. Did not say ANYTHING about someone engaging or not engaging in someones culture. Sorry i Was born a Cajun not Creole in ST, JAmes parich in Lutcher, louisiana and grew up 20 miles out side of New Orleans. That is not at All a true statement to say that a CAjun in Acadia parish share a culture with Non creole or Cajun people in northern Louisiana.
jhnb12876 8 months ago
@jhnb12876 Actually, if they both speak English they do share the same culture, and even more so if they both plan corn, rice or cotton.
For sure, Louisiana Creoles and Cajuns are Americans, you'd be writing me in French if you felt so intrinsically attached to your roots. But you're writing me in English.
So, in that regard, lifestyle and topography transcend notions of identity, that, often in the U.S., are not reflections of lifestyle, rather than ancestry.
criollokid80 8 months ago
By the way, my mother's family, the VAVASSEURs, LANOUX, LANDRY, etc come from Convent in St. James Parish. They identified as Creoles in the 19th century (I've family letters to prove it) and they continue to identify as such in 2011, despite having a historical presence, at some point, in Acadia. Manresa Retreat in Convent was land sold by my family in 1821 and 1831 for the school.
criollokid80 8 months ago
@criollokid80 they eat different up north Lousiana. A way different culture they never spoke french. Cajun and Creole are different because New Orleans were settled by the french directly from France the Cajuns came later and DID NOT settle in New Orleans but from the north of N.O. to Baton rouge west to Texas. I do nopt write this in anger or to argue but there is a difference Cajun have had a sperate culture from Creole for over 200 years, Yes language is simular because of french.
jhnb12876 8 months ago
@jhnb12876 There are cultural enclaves in Central and North Louisiana that are creole. They eat and cook the same foods as people in Lafayette who prepare the same dishes as folks in NOLA.
As a matter of fact, Acadians were numerous in NOLA. Peruse the SLC books and you'll see them there.
Spanish and French are similar, because of Latin origins, but it does not make them the same languages and they are not mutually intelligible (I speak both, also).
criollokid80 8 months ago
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@criollokid80 Are you trying to rewrite history the way YOU think it is? Anyone that is from here knows Creole and Cajun are two different cultures. Maybe you are not from South east Louisiana and do not know this i do not know? Creoles never lived in 95% of where the Cajuns have been living for over 240 years!
jhnb12876 8 months ago
I love this video! Makes me proud to be a Creole!
chsn09 11 months ago
@chsn09 why dont i cut your creole penis off and feed it to my cat
KarloQ789 11 months ago
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@KarloQ789 Ok, NOW you are totally creepy and you are a stalker!
chsn09 11 months ago
@KarloQ789 excuse me? You need to take the negativity ELSEWHERE...Christophe, you should block this person.
iamcreole 11 months ago
@iamcreole Agreed! Creole pride worldwide
chsn09 10 months ago
I love this video. J'adore / mO Laimm ca aussi! C'est bon travyé mon couzans!
-EJ
Vive les créoles de Louisianne!
iamcreole 11 months ago
We also get to be proud of and celebrate our common Catholic heritage.
joleneadam 11 months ago
J'adore///Mo laimm ça
DanieleCreole 11 months ago