Civil War... "Setting the Record Straight" VI

[Madpolis7]

Okay, so the CSA stole land from the USA, how is this not a good reason to declare war?

[UScalvery]

not only that , but there is more to it as well, i believe it was also Grant's part in it as well, with all of the information he got from canada, that was benifical to the yanks, there is a journal that explains the whole thing, what did what whos to blame, etc, etc, etc. that brings up the world we live in now, it is all controlled.

[wstuchell]

Wow....really. The fact that no other country officially recognized the South means that in the eyes of the international community the CSA was not an independent country. Therefore, being that they were not recognized as an independent country, how can the war be anything but a Civil War?

[egosdark003]

internationaly the csa was considered a nation. trade rights with france spain brazil/portugal were granted. the union simply had the largest army in the world at the time and was a major industrial power and would cause major inblance with other nations/ might have even started a earlyer world war. thats why none were able to aid. poland also had a uprising of the home guard in 1863 from it occupiers austria prussia & russia but was suppressed just like the south.

[Luigi84289]

@egosdark003 The only reason the USA cared was the loss in tax revenue from the south. Lincoln was banking on that money for his term. The whole war was fought over "internal improvements" and resulted in the destruction of what used to be an EU style union and conversion into a single nation or Empire however you want to look at it. The states are countries just suppressed by the Feds. Like if the EU members were forced to give up their nationhood and sovereignty to form one big nation.

[Luigi84289]

@Luigi84289 That's what state's rights means. The nationhood of all the states, their Sovereignty.

[stealthgerm]

the definition says it all .faction or regions of the same country.did the south secede by constitutional amendment?was it a supreme court decision?what was the proccess ? i am sure you know . it sure wasnt soverign.before the civil war.

[Luigi84289]

white persons generally like to be seen shaking hands and talking familiarly with blacks in the streets." - James S Buckingham English abolitionist

[Luigi84289]

Why did my comment get a thumbs down? That guy said that and it's the truth.

[KhmerD0g]

free dixie

[verxintRising]

Right...

Rhode Island is not an Island.

[PatrolCmdr136]

The Union had Gen. Sherman (piss on his grave) and Camp Douglas in Chicago, but yankee history books teach the Pennsylvania boys that the southrens were a "Confederate menace?" We had no intention of trying to capture the north. They invaded the south, raped our women, starved our children and burned everything in site. 140 years later, they demanded that Serbia, Bosnia, etc. be allowed to seperate from their parent country. Guess it is true..you can have it both ways (in Yankee-land)

[wolfencrow]

LOL...Anyone living in Unionist areas of the South, Southern Pennsylvania, Central Maryland, Kansas, Colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona, would have considered the CSA a menace. Not to mention four MILLION African slaves.

No intention of capturing the 'North' eh? Santa Fe Campaign. BTW...North=USA

Somehow I doubt that if Aunt Roberta had won at Gettysburg, the South would have returned some of the richest, most productive agricultural lands, in the nation.

Not to mention the state of Maryland

[wolfencrow]

CSA/Balkan conflict are an un-related issue.

We intervened because of international pressure, after YEARS of avoiding the use of military force.

Can't invade your own country. CSA never proved their case to the American people, in a court of law. They CHOSE the battlefield.

The majority of Americans disagreed with their methods, and answered the call to defend the nation. The South wasn't defeated by the Feds. They were defeated by a committed American people. South reaped what it sowed.

[agillis87]

Under the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, the states had the right to secede. and the South was ABSOLTELY NOT defeated by committed American People, they were defeated by a tyrant and by a largely conscripted army of individuals who did not want to fight Lincoln's war and there were massive rebellions in the North over this draft.

[Luigi84289]

"this is only among the many proofs I had witnessed of the fact, that the prejudice of color is not nearly so strong in the South as in the North. In the south it is not at all uncommon to see black slaves of both sexes shake hands with white people when they meet, and interchange friendly personal inquiries: but at the North I do not remember to have witnessed this once: and neither in Boston, New York, or Philadelphia would

[wolfencrow]

Grand Army of the Republic

Defeating Southron terrorism since 1861.

Deo Vindice God Will Vindicate...as he did at Appomatox April, 1865.

BTW...120,000 white Southerners, and 185,000

Black Southerners fighting against the CSA, make it a CIVIL war. Support for the CSA wasn't unanimous.

[wolfencrow]

Nearly 400,000 citizen soldiers lost their lives defending the nation from Southron Fascism.

28,000 citizen soldiers, from my Commonwealth fought to defend their homes from CSA invasion at Gettysburg. Pennsylvania's civilians bravely resisted the efforts by Confederate soldiers, to capture our black citizens as 'contraband', and force march them back to CSA territory. They resisted under threat of death, and property destruction. Some were forced to assist with capture efforts, at gunpoint.

[wolfencrow]

The men who died defending this nation from

the Confederate menace, did so with honor, and bravery. Their sacrifice wasn't needless.

If the rotting, un-dead fetus of Southron Fascism rises again...you can bet there are plenty of us left, who are prepared to drive a wooden stake through its black heart, again.

Gratia Dei Servatus

Preserved by the Grace of God...and the citizen soldiers in Union blue.

[DDD758]

Demand a refund from your Yankee history teacher... you got ripped off... General Lee even gave orders for his soldiers to pay for everything they took unlike your murdering, raping, pillaging General Sherman.

[wolfencrow]

LOL...Read it and weep, Kool Aid drinker. It's documented history.

Picture it. The South's gray-coated, yellow- bellied soldiers, terrorizing blacks, and the white citizens who tried to protect them.

One of the participants of this atrocity, was a Confederate chaplain!

So much for it wasn't about slavery. Personal accounts don't back up CSA spin doctors. Lee had to know his orders would be ignored.

[saikotikgunman]

Mind you, the Union was busy slaughtering blacks who were captured with Confederate soldiers and officers.

[wolfencrow]

Big difference between the actions of pissed off soldiers, and official policy.

[RebelPatriot23]

Just as your personal accounts of those brave Pennsylvanians do nothing to support your statements. Just imagine 4 years of having invaders on your soil.

[wolfencrow]

Waaah...Just imagine living in Kansas, or a Unionist area of the South.

[RebelPatriot23]

As I recall, there were atrocities on both sides of the line there. Whether it be from John Brown and the Jayhawkers or the pro-slavery partisan militia. SO once again, your argument holds no water. Both sides were guilty of atrocities during the war, although the Union's march through Georgia had far greater political and social consequences. Even so, Sherman and his men strongly resented the free slaves following his Army.

[wolfencrow]

South refused to accept Kansas voting in a free Constitution. When efforts to use Federal power (Love it) to nullify Kansans' free will, Southerners tried to use force. In other words they started it, and it DOES hold water.

[RebelPatriot23]

Just as the Union used force to nullify the South's free will. Thanks for playing. How can the South prove their case in a court of law, if they are there own country? If I recall correctly, the Morrill Tariff was passed without any votes from Southern Congressmen. Why? Because they left the United States, or as you put it, were in rebellion. They were defeated by a committed "American" people that outnumbered them 3-to-1, and still managed to rout the Union in several battles.

[saikotikgunman]

As another Pennsylvanian, I take pride in the fact that several thousand of our ancestors fought for the lost cause.

[wolfencrow]

What cause was that, again?

[forty8r]

it definietly was not a Civil War, it was a rebellion. A rebellion against the doctrine of our revolutionary founding principal "that all men are created equal." As Carl Schurz one put it during Reconstruction "nothing renders a society more restless than a revolution that is half complete."

[usna1968]

Please demand a refund from your history teachers... they failed you miserably.

[forty8r]

It was called "The War of The Rebellion" before it was called "The Civil War" and not "The War Between the States" as was coined after the war by "Little Alec" you know the Vice President of the Confederacy who in his cornerstone speech said that the Cornerstone of the Confederacy was that all men were not created equal but that the black man is subordinate to the white race.

[todddoom]

In Kentucky and Mossouri they were fighting over the state government so in those 2 states I say it was a civil war. The US never got permistion from Britain to split so ColtonORRules the US wan't a nation? Hey I am an SCV member so I wish I had had the chance to shoot Lincoln. I would have shot him 6 times.

[ColtonORRules]

Yes it was a fuckin civil war, the confederates didnt get permission to split so technically they werent a nation!!!!!

[DDD758]

Your not so skillful use of the English language/grammar/punctuation and your politically correct California-esque grasp of elementary history make any substantive response that I might make to your infantile post not worth my time. May your chains rest lightly.

[ColtonORRules]

what the fuck is your problem?

[DDD758]

More written eloquence... demand a refund from your English and history teachers.

[ColtonORRules]

id have to agree w/ you, I hate my english teacher and i hate my history teacher. oh ya and i HATE you too.

[murphycline]

When Rhode Island and several other states ratified the US Constitution they put opt-out clauses in their ratification documents. These opt-out clauses were never challenged at the Convention. Furthermore as federal government was created by the states who agreed to cede some of their powers to the federal government. As such the Confederacy had every right to secede, and if you don't remember we as Americans seceded from the British Empire.

[KurtPila1]

they didn't need permission..educate yourself..READ..start with the original constitution

[MrTieDye]

Southern Patriots fought and gained Independence for each of the original 13 American Nations (States).

Later the sons and grandsons of those very Southern Patriots were obliged to fight against a Federal Beast which had trampled the rights of men and become a tyrant.

"Honest" Abe sent in the Federal Army to punish the South, and to enslave every man woman and child in the South.

Today we are still fighting for our Freedom form that Federal Beast.

[HeritageNotHateProd]

Yeah these are awesome!

[Pipezilla]

Thanks for these videos! Deo Vindice