NBA 2K12 - EvanChelio's "Zer0The0ry2" Sliders

[sawakadin]

the passing are kinda annoying nba players aren't that dumb

[BoiiCarolina15]

is your game and player speed at 60????

[1TMacLegend]

Shot Stick Timing or Real Player %?

[Pnoymamba24]

@1TMacLegend Hey dude, can you please explain what's the difference between Shot Stick Timing and Real Player % ?

I never understood that part.

[1TMacLegend]

@Pnoymamba24

Real player % ignores your button release so it just depends on the player. Shot Stick Timing is based on button release so it means so once you master someone just shoot up contested shots all day as long as you get a green light, not fun for me.

[Pnoymamba24]

@1TMacLegend Okay, thanks dude. One more thing, do you any by chance know how to upload videos from 2K12 to your laptop? Like I have all this save replays and I want to upload them on my channel on youtube.

[1TMacLegend]

@Pnoymamba24

Fraps, I think. I use Dxtory though for less lag, but Fraps is easiest.

[RamblinWreckTN]

Cavs 1 for 20 from 3. Ouch.

[MrRadi0killa]

When are you going to Make a Superstar GameSliders? I need it for my playoffs but im still far away from it from my association

[marvelvsdclover]

@EvanChelio Sounds great. Get well soon my friend! P.s. I know ur a bull's fan like Obama is. U think they can beat Miami in the east conf finals this year?

[marvelvsdclover]

@EvanChelio Idk what should be what though?

[EvanChelio]

@marvelvsdclover ima get to that soon...been tweaking the slides again while I've been sick. Still sick now but Ima try to get something out soon....at the latest by Monday.

[marvelvsdclover]

Hey evanchelio do I need to make changes to the default player tendencies and coach profiles for CPU bs CPU?

[EvanChelio]

@marvelvsdclover yes



[g4dS]

in my opinion 60 speed is too much, look the kick ball etc is too fast, the slider looks fine but speed i disagree.

[EvanChelio]

@g4dS Thats cool....60 speed is my personal preference. If you want to change it go ahead, I'm just trying to make the game enjoyable with these sliders

[g4dS]

@EvanChelio ok, thanks!.

[marvelvsdclover]

@EvanChelio So far I have pro, 12 min q, 65 speed, mid@50, 3pt@47, strength@11. Do I use shot stick timing or real player%? And is defensive assistance strength @0? everything else I'll stay with ur zerotheory2 sliders. Thanks so far!

[MrRadi0killa]

Yo this is going good for my association

[flixmarx]

I really like your ideal of All-Star in the reg. season superstar in the playoffs and hall of fame in the finals. Hadn't thought of it and will probably be applying that theory to all of the sports games I play. I'm always struggling with what difficulty to use for a realistic experience, I like this though cause you gotta step up your game in the playoffs and even more so in the finals. Just curious have you played out a whole season using those guidelines?

[EvanChelio]

@flixmarx Im trying to now but I'm going to wait a week for 2K to put out an updated roster. If they dont Im play on PC cuz they got the rosters updated now. (2K share & great mods). I doing this in my current PC season and so far its playing alright. I also tweaked player tendencies and touches to bring out a more realistic variety of plays called (or at least it would seem or hope so...)

[flixmarx]

@EvanChelio Nice. I'm playing with Auto playcalling, part because I'm too lazy to learn every single play and part because I like the ideal of a coach calling the plays

[17mrgohaam]

cool video bruh do u have any gamesliders to help with the prohop to look realeastic and wat do u think about the overall game play and controls

[yanzylei]

i played user vs user! and its OK.. the only problem is the FOULS... reaching and shooting fouls! its so high.. all our players almost 2 fouls in 1st quarter.. and in 4th there's gonna be a fouled out! please do something.. but this slider is greater than the others! and its effective in HOF!. nice job dude! keep up the good work...

[EvanChelio]

@yanzylei I see you from the other vid. Turn down reach fouls to 55 and shot fouls to 60 and see if that plays better for user v user

[yanzylei]

@EvanChelio the fouls now is better but how about the steal? why don't u make the steal zero? because on my observation, the center players can easily steal the ball to the point guards.. and how about the abilities of the pg in stealing and ball handling? am i right?

[fhauzt24]

is this effective for user vs user? because we always play as a 2 player... i just wanna ask, because deflecting is sucks.. what should I do, all our pass is easy to deflect. and for alley oop, just throw it and they always get it.. please help

[EvanChelio]

@fhauzt24 I dont know as I havent tried these against anybody. They should. try it out then get back to me as how they play user vs. user

[MrPuddi23]

@EvanChelio Maybe you want check it and trie to fix it, so then the sliders would be perfect. I woukld fix it by myself but if I trie it everthing is lost!! XD So great job bro keep going. Regards MrPuddi

[EvanChelio]

@dundie2k My bad On-Ball D is 32 for User/CPU its in the vid but not in the comments

[illusiondrmr]

@EvanChelio go to espn.go.com/nba/statistics/tea­m/_/stat/miscellaneous-per-gam­e/sort/avgSteals/year/2011 Im averaging 7-15 steals every game (9-10 games i pld) when i user steal success @ 60 and 5-12 steals (4-5 games) when it was @ 40. I think an average of 8-9 per game seems more realistic than 11.5-12.

Its just seem to easy to steal when opponent is dribbling, even tho im controlling players with steal attribute @ 55. Dont forget u got the ball handling slider to 0 !!

[EvanChelio]

@illusiondrmr I didnt think about that cuz I just ported it over from my other sliders> I did this in the old sliders because at 60 there is no hands clipping through the ball. Also what team are you using when you are getting all of these steals? In Association/Quick Game?

[EvanChelio]

@illusiondrmr Also the problem I have with 2K rating especially with steals is that if the rating isnt high chances are that you wont ever get a steal even if an opportunity is there for you to do so with a player because most times it would be a foul. Players like Boozer and Noah get them pokes all the time yet you never see it in the game unless its the CPU doing it to you. Also it is just from you poking the ball away or is it from tips (off-ball steals) or is it loose ball steals

[EvanChelio]

@illusiondrmr like when a ball goes off a players leg or a teammate body part?

[illusiondrmr]

@EvanChelio to answer to this and ur previous questions : I used Hawks and pld 15-20 games with ur sliders and i managed to poke the ball out of the opponent hands while dribbling with Johnson and Teague quite easy. (not tips, loose ball or off some leg). Even against good playmakers like D.Williams etc. When i toned down steal success @ 40 i could do this again without calling a reach sometimes MOSTLY with J.Smith or Hinrich, which ofc makes sense !

[illusiondrmr]

@EvanChelio Also, i have to say that i get enough off ball steals (eg. tipping the ball out of a pass). I can get like 4-5 per game, so leaving the steal success @ 60 i would get another easy 5-6 steals per game ! So, i guess for good defenders like me ;P , leaving steal success @ 60 would be a bit cheesy ;> . However, i can see enough peeps here, noticing the fact of high steal averages ! So, i guess it aint only me playing good D !!

[EvanChelio]

@illusiondrmr I'm going to try this out right now. I feel ya about how it could be cheese with so many steals going on. I'm not going to try to replicate realistic turnovers like in the NBA cause nobody would play with these sliders thats why I'm leaving pass accuracy the way it is because passing this year sucks in this iteration of 2K. Since you gave me feedback I got to do right by my viewers and rethink and test this out. Get back to you tomorrow cause I got to work. THANK YOU 4 da feedback!

[EvanChelio]

@illusiondrmr What setting do you play on....AllStar, Superstar or Hall of Fame? This helps so I can try it out...

[illusiondrmr]

@EvanChelio Allstar, moving soon to superstar coz im owning it atm ;DD

[illusiondrmr]

@EvanChelio i didnt say anything about pass accuracy. Its perfect ! Its the only way to see ACTUAL turnovers (+offensive fouls) when the ball just go out of bounds out of a pass. Pass accuracy 48/47 is perfect for 14-15 turnovers per game. I THANK YOU for sharing ur sliders and ur work in the first place ;p

Keep up the good work, u certainly got +1 follower !

[EvanChelio]

@illusiondrmr Im trying to replicate what you are talking about but I cant do it. Maybe try playing on Superstar (what I'm playing on) cuz my players get in foul trouble with the reaches. Im avg. 3-5 on ball steals on that level and everything else is off ball steals. Def. turn down the steal success if you are having the issue on All-Star. (I see u are up to Superstar so tell me how Steal Success is 4 u @60 & @40. I got to resolve this so others wont have this problem on Allstar.

[illusiondrmr]

@EvanChelio well, i cant steal that easy anymore @ superstar but i still think steal success @ 60 is 2 much. 45-50 feels better. But, dunno m8 maybe its just me playing good D timing those on ball steals pretty nice. ;p

[SiNsCere1100]

I'm about to check these slidders out , but i have a question because i didnt hear you mention nor post on ball D in your slidders. so whats up with em , you leave it at 50 or ?

[EvanChelio]

@SiNsCere1100 My bad I didnt put it in the comments but On-Ball D is 32 for both User/CPU Ima talk about this in my next video

[EvanChelio]

@SiNsCere1100 My bad On-Ball D is 32 for User/CPU

[illusiondrmr]

yo yo

im back again after 10 games and i would like to point out that i had to lower steal success to 40 in order to get normal steals. Another question i dont see 2 many dunks anymore, that has to do with vertical maybe?

[EvanChelio]

@illusiondrmr Thats cool about the steals. ?...How many steals are you or the CPU getting? The NBA avg. is between 5 SPG (for teams that dont steal that well) to 11 SPG ( for teams that are good at steals). If you always get more than 11 spg then you may want to it down. I avg. between 5-9 spg in my association (which Ima start over when the complete rosters ever come out...SMH 2k!!! You got to fix player tendencies for dunking. ima talk about this and steals in my next video

[EvanChelio]

@illusiondrmr also I dont reach much. Only when the situation calls for it. If you reach a lot and know how to time the steal then yeah turn down steal success. If not leave it alone. you will get enough loose ball/ off-ball steal as is...

[pandasupahstar]

hey bro, your sliders are crazy. these are the best ive tried in a while. keep up the good work. I just have one concern though. Is it just me or are too many fouls getting called?

Thanks a lot for making 2K12 more enjoyable bro :)

[EvanChelio]

@pandasupahstar Trust me its the right amount. The User/CPU should avg. between 15-30 free throws a game. Thats why in real life players always go in the paint...to get fouls sometimes it works sometimes not. I turned it way down from what it was in my last sliders.

[pandasupahstar]

@EvanChelio alright bro. :) you know these stuff more than I do. :) Thanks again. :)

[Lewyyyy777]

@EvanChelio Hey I noticed that the steal was set at 60, that seems a little high to me. Do you get it stolen from you alot during games or is that just me? And it seems thst alot of the time when im driving in the lane I just get the ball like taken from me and it happens alot. Thats not on these sliders. I havvent tried these yet, but do you think they will help with my problem?

[illusiondrmr]

I also suggest you to upload ur awesome work to operationsports website. It would be really nice for all those dudes out there seeking the perfect slider set for simulation experience. If u dont have time for it, i could do it for u.

And again.. Thanks for sharing !

[EvanChelio]

@illusiondrmr Never thought about that. Ima do that Thursday when Im off work

[illusiondrmr]

wow dude.. just WOW. Those sliders are the best ive come up with and trust me ive tried a lot !!! The game flow is excellent.. So smooth animations and everything.. You have nailed em ! All those tweaks gamespeed, quickness, driving shootin contact etc really m8 they made my game excellent. Simulation at its best ! Congratulations. I just only 2-3 observations after 5-6 games i pld :

1. for ALLSTAR should go midrange and 3point success 47/47 both.

2. Tone down steal success.. 50 should do it!

[EvanChelio]

@illusiondrmr Thanks, the thing I'm still fixing is pick strength. I'm cool with that. With the steals, I feel that with stealing at 0, 60 is perfect for steal success because it help make the ball more live than it normally would plus most steal should come from loose balls and off ball steals.

[marvelvsdclover]

hey evanchelio, when i have time i like to watch cpu vs cpu to try and simulate real life games that i watch. i use ur sliders for cpu but should i still follow ur gameplay settings? shot stick timing, 10 min quarters, game speed 60, all-star diff, 0 def AI assistance, etc? thanks!

[EvanChelio]

@marvelvsdclover im working on slides for this also cuz i like to watch cpu v cpu too. Ima TRY to get them done for today.

[EvanChelio]

@marvelvsdclover if you are going to watch cpu v cpu put the game on pro 10 to 12min quarters, 60 to 65 game speed. you may have to turn up mid and 3pt shooting to 50/47 for both. Turn strength down to 11 or 12.

[gunnahstunnah]

Do I use real player % or shot stick timing?

[EvanChelio]

@gunnahstunnah shot stick timing

[fishscaley]

also i would love if 2k just went ahead and developed a "trail" technique instead of just bumping into the player on the perimeter.

[EvanChelio]

@fishscaley what is weird is that it seems to be a version of it is in 2K11 (even though it doesnt happen often and you must have inside/driving contact at 100 to see it) but not 2K12

[fishscaley]

Thx for the shout out EC!!!!! Don't worry I got you covered on 360.

[EvanChelio]

@fishscaley Im testing strength at 11 for User/CPU to help out with pick strength. I was wondering why picks were so strong so I went back to 2K11 and 0 is too weak cuz picks dont work often but 11 seems fine but you must tweak player tendencies to aggressively back down. Also with this change, the game speed must be turned down to 57 or 58 cuz it become too helter skelter i.e. crazy fast

[fishscaley]

@EvanChelio aaiight cool thx for the feedback

[TwinSnakes220]

I got these sliders and I was getting steals so easily so I was gonna ask you why the stealing is so easy but i just realized i was playing on pro difficulty. i should probably try all-star to get the full effect out of the sliders cuz pro is not what you made this for

[EvanChelio]

@TwinSnakes220 All-Star...Superstar...Hall of Fame. The Higher the setting the tougher the CPU gets. Pro is WAY too easy for me. At All-Star the game gets competitive and I lost to Orlando cuz I DH12 got Asik and Noah in foul trouble and Gibs and NoD Boozer couldnt contain him. But it was all fair and square. No cheats. I should have called a TO a couple of times during their run but I forgot cuz I was winning. Didn't stop their momentum. My fault.

[kylencochrane]

these are very good sliders i liked the first one cuz u could make layups much easier and i liked the second one for being able to beat the guy and get in the paint but these give you the best of both worlds u can get into the paint and you can make a layup without always going backwards because one guy is near you but you dont always make the layup except with the elites good sliders you still make them best lol and thanks for the shout out lol

[EvanChelio]

@kylencochrane Your welcome ( Just made a buzzer beater w/ D-Rose with LeBron guarding me on SuperStar..........HELLO!!!)

[kylencochrane]

@EvanChelio do you think it would effect the steals alot if i turn each down 5 cuz there is alot of steals each game

[Fearless74x]

Good sliders set. I have tried it out on a few games and it seems to play very well. Quick question though, what difficulty are you playing on, and how did you set your controller defensive strength...did you left it at 0 or moved it up to 100%.

[EvanChelio]

@Fearless74x I started recently to play on All-Star during my reg. season, in the playoffs I bump the setts to Superstar then in the Finals I play on Hall of Fame. Defensive strength is at 0 but if you must turn it up go as high as 55 because higher than that seems to be TOO strong.... I got another slider set that deals with contact. Its good also...

[EvanChelio]

@Fearless74x I played HOF until 2 weeks ago until I realized that All-Star & Superstar is just as competitive as Hall of Fame without all of the cheating aspects (even I can still win on Hall of Fame)

[LMoney11KWill22Vids]

Cavs 1/20 from 3?

[EvanChelio]

@LMoney11KWill22Vids They TRULY sucked that game. I laughed

[dariusl113]

did u put these on the ps3 yourself, because last time i got your sliders off of 2k share they were really different.

[EvanChelio]

@dariusl113 Yes these are the sliders I actually put up

[dariusl113]

@EvanChelio thanks.