Strange how his imputed delicacy didn't go as far as backing away from Hitler's inner circle. He never once tried to retire from his post, never once tried to claim exhaustion or overwork, never attempted to slide away into obscurity ... his "charm" disgusts me, and I don't accept.his attempt to distance himself from the rest of the regime's high-ranking members. His organizational talents extended the misery and for that he should have been hanged.
We went through a mock trial version of this, and when I had to be on the team to prosecute Speer, i was expecting things to be easy; it turned out to be extremely difficult. I looked through wikipedia, his autobiography, a site that later turned out to be one owned by neonazis, and other sources, yet we found very little to prosecute him... and any actions we DID manage to hold against him were found to merely be ruthless efficiency.
It seems the world would rather have Speer behave more like the others, unrepentant and saying everything he did was just 'following orders.' But instead he manned up and accepted responsibility and essentially said sorry. What is so strange about that? Simply shows he was more humane than the others. He didn't crunch a cyanide capsule or treat the war or the trial like a game. Also he didn't want to die, much like us all. So what is this suspicion of 'he got away with something?'
@Rune31 He "got away" with only a jail sentence when in fact he was complicit with slave labor and the many deaths that came with it. He did things that got others hanged, but because of his (likely calculated) contrition at the trial and the fact that much of the most damning evidence only came to light later he got away with his life. In short, he didn't get the level of punishment he deserved.
@MunisAwesome Evidence and where might this evidence be? is it not possible that they are forgeries made by other Govt to just convict yet another Nazi leader?
The Nurnemberg trial one of the biggest farcical events that the worlds powers have ever staged.
the world demanded a stage managed trial and people being hanged to make them feel better about winning the war and to punish those left to take the blame who were not useful to the allied weapons development programmes.
Sheer hypocrisy on a massive scale and the Americans were some of the worst offenders. Why were rocket scientists who abused prisoners let off?
Look at all the evil scum bags the US took out of Germany and brought into the US in Operation Paperclip. Sure Spear was guilty however they could have given him a lighter sentence and used him for the greater good of Germany in re-building it among other projects.
@Dassyko He did fool the world. He took part in the final solution but got away with it. He was responsible for "evacuating" jews from their Berlin homes which were to be replaced by Germans who lost their homes due to new construction ventures through out the city.
@jaidee76 that be the case or not He was still a great man and a great architect and with what you have armed yourself with appears to be wrong information I find it difficult to believe your comment but that said anything is possible but it is hard to think your hero is a very very bad boy
@Dassyko I was just responding to your original comment where you stated it was bullshit he fooled the world. Ok, he fooled the Nuremberg judges. Due to the re-construction/design of Berlin , many Germans had to be relocated. 50,000 Jews were deported from Berlin to make way for "homeless" Germans. Albert Speer was the man who managed the whole project, which effectively resulted in the deaths of thousands of Jews. Anyway, his architecture was very dreary and unimaginative.
@jaidee76 Having read Speer's memoirs, I get the impression that he showed genuine remorse for his part in the crimes of the Third Reich. He didn't pull any punches; his candid renderings of Hitler and the other Nazis are not sympathetic; nor are they exaggerated caricatures. Speer wasn't a lenient judge of his own acts, but one statement he made at the trial is telling. He said "If we had won the war, would we be trying to avoid responsibility for it? I think not. Nor should we now."
@galoon I think there was some remorse but also a desire not to be hanged; rather like Eichman's mock regrets at his trial in Jerusalem. Essentially, he could never face the truth.
@funkyalfonso That's very true; I think Speer was indeed putting together a calculated plan to avoid the noose, even while showing true remorse at the trials and in what he wrote; this man was highly intelligent and complex. Now I'm sure Eichmann had no real regret at all! And you're right--he couldn't really face the truth--if Speer's feelings had been completely of remorse, I doubt he'd have done all the numerous speaking engagements involving his book...
@galoon His memoirs have been shown to have selective gaps in them that make himself look better than he really was. Sure, he seems to have experienced at least some real regret and his memoirs do have a lot of good information in them, but at the same time he was careful to avoid revealing the worst of his actions.
@Ranillon I agree completely. Speer was no saint; his memoirs are indeed self-serving to a degree. I do think he had more personal integrity than Goering, Sauckel, Keitel, and the others on trial, but of course that's not saying much. The only reason he avoided the fates of the other Nazis was that he was cooperative with the prosecutors.
@NearVSMello his own people? even if you declare all the nationalities which lived not voluntarily in the soviet union "his" people, there were others, like the poles in katyn
Strange how his imputed delicacy didn't go as far as backing away from Hitler's inner circle. He never once tried to retire from his post, never once tried to claim exhaustion or overwork, never attempted to slide away into obscurity ... his "charm" disgusts me, and I don't accept.his attempt to distance himself from the rest of the regime's high-ranking members. His organizational talents extended the misery and for that he should have been hanged.
universalsailor 3 months ago
We went through a mock trial version of this, and when I had to be on the team to prosecute Speer, i was expecting things to be easy; it turned out to be extremely difficult. I looked through wikipedia, his autobiography, a site that later turned out to be one owned by neonazis, and other sources, yet we found very little to prosecute him... and any actions we DID manage to hold against him were found to merely be ruthless efficiency.
george77772moons 4 months ago
It seems the world would rather have Speer behave more like the others, unrepentant and saying everything he did was just 'following orders.' But instead he manned up and accepted responsibility and essentially said sorry. What is so strange about that? Simply shows he was more humane than the others. He didn't crunch a cyanide capsule or treat the war or the trial like a game. Also he didn't want to die, much like us all. So what is this suspicion of 'he got away with something?'
Rune31 5 months ago
@Rune31 He "got away" with only a jail sentence when in fact he was complicit with slave labor and the many deaths that came with it. He did things that got others hanged, but because of his (likely calculated) contrition at the trial and the fact that much of the most damning evidence only came to light later he got away with his life. In short, he didn't get the level of punishment he deserved.
Ranillon 5 months ago
Speer, the smartest of them all.
corcaighrebel 5 months ago
Funny hearing the Americans saying that at the start.
steve5123456789 7 months ago
another fucking jewish movie
marianostpc 7 months ago
@MunisAwesome Evidence and where might this evidence be? is it not possible that they are forgeries made by other Govt to just convict yet another Nazi leader?
Dassyko 9 months ago
The Nurnemberg trial one of the biggest farcical events that the worlds powers have ever staged.
the world demanded a stage managed trial and people being hanged to make them feel better about winning the war and to punish those left to take the blame who were not useful to the allied weapons development programmes.
Sheer hypocrisy on a massive scale and the Americans were some of the worst offenders. Why were rocket scientists who abused prisoners let off?
athaidream 1 year ago 2
@athaidream Bingo. Well said.
Noodles37UK 10 months ago
American bullshit Hollywood
Vae Victis!
Limies, same crap!
wotansrevenge 1 year ago
More Zionist dung.
sidecrank 1 year ago
Look at all the evil scum bags the US took out of Germany and brought into the US in Operation Paperclip. Sure Spear was guilty however they could have given him a lighter sentence and used him for the greater good of Germany in re-building it among other projects.
Allanlegacy43 1 year ago
well jaidee It seems as thou architecture is wasted on you. unimaginative there was so much imaginative in his designs
Dassyko 1 year ago
Albert Speer Fooled the World.... That is BullShit
Dassyko 1 year ago 4
@Dassyko He did fool the world. He took part in the final solution but got away with it. He was responsible for "evacuating" jews from their Berlin homes which were to be replaced by Germans who lost their homes due to new construction ventures through out the city.
jaidee76 1 year ago
@jaidee76 that be the case or not He was still a great man and a great architect and with what you have armed yourself with appears to be wrong information I find it difficult to believe your comment but that said anything is possible but it is hard to think your hero is a very very bad boy
Dassyko 1 year ago
@Dassyko I was just responding to your original comment where you stated it was bullshit he fooled the world. Ok, he fooled the Nuremberg judges. Due to the re-construction/design of Berlin , many Germans had to be relocated. 50,000 Jews were deported from Berlin to make way for "homeless" Germans. Albert Speer was the man who managed the whole project, which effectively resulted in the deaths of thousands of Jews. Anyway, his architecture was very dreary and unimaginative.
jaidee76 1 year ago
@jaidee76 Having read Speer's memoirs, I get the impression that he showed genuine remorse for his part in the crimes of the Third Reich. He didn't pull any punches; his candid renderings of Hitler and the other Nazis are not sympathetic; nor are they exaggerated caricatures. Speer wasn't a lenient judge of his own acts, but one statement he made at the trial is telling. He said "If we had won the war, would we be trying to avoid responsibility for it? I think not. Nor should we now."
galoon 1 year ago
@galoon I think there was some remorse but also a desire not to be hanged; rather like Eichman's mock regrets at his trial in Jerusalem. Essentially, he could never face the truth.
funkyalfonso 1 year ago
@funkyalfonso That's very true; I think Speer was indeed putting together a calculated plan to avoid the noose, even while showing true remorse at the trials and in what he wrote; this man was highly intelligent and complex. Now I'm sure Eichmann had no real regret at all! And you're right--he couldn't really face the truth--if Speer's feelings had been completely of remorse, I doubt he'd have done all the numerous speaking engagements involving his book...
galoon 1 year ago
@galoon His memoirs have been shown to have selective gaps in them that make himself look better than he really was. Sure, he seems to have experienced at least some real regret and his memoirs do have a lot of good information in them, but at the same time he was careful to avoid revealing the worst of his actions.
Ranillon 5 months ago
@Ranillon I agree completely. Speer was no saint; his memoirs are indeed self-serving to a degree. I do think he had more personal integrity than Goering, Sauckel, Keitel, and the others on trial, but of course that's not saying much. The only reason he avoided the fates of the other Nazis was that he was cooperative with the prosecutors.
galoon 5 months ago
@Dassyko Maybe, but there is evidence that he secretly disobeyed a LOT of orders that would have killed many people.
MunisAwesome 9 months ago
So why wasn't Stalin on trial?
leeason1 1 year ago 18
@leeason1 He was lucky enough to find himself safely behind and in charge of the Iron Curtain that fell over eastern Europe.
mrflibble101 1 year ago
@leeason1 Because he won =P
mpawlak10 1 year ago
@leeason1 because he didnt loose lol
If Hitler had one then Stalin and anyone related to him would have been put on trial.
dubmywub 1 year ago
@leeason1 Same reason Bush hasn't been.
mathematicsarefun 1 year ago
@leeason1 the victor, not the vanquished
armorarmylt 1 year ago
@leeason1 Cause he killed his own people. Nobody cares when you do that.
NearVSMello 1 year ago
@NearVSMello his own people? even if you declare all the nationalities which lived not voluntarily in the soviet union "his" people, there were others, like the poles in katyn
zobielamouche1 11 months ago
@leeason1 Agreed. The whole thing was a farce, an appeasement. And why weren't Nazis hunted down in Latin America?
Noodles37UK 10 months ago
quien invento esto
CUATEMOCU 1 year ago