The TRUTH CAN SPEAK, lies has nothing worthwhile to say: Katyn never happened, Finns started the war, Karelia was a Russian territory from times immemorial, etc. etc.
Hmm...some also say the pigs can fly....the same thing, lol.
My heritage is a united family. One side from Karelia and the other from the SW Islands. Russia murdered thousands. Forced the change of names both of town and people to Russian. LET MY PEOPLE GO.
@namatson We all lost family members then to both sides. Both of mine great-grandfathers were imprisoned for 5 years during Soviet era - one of them was executed in prison. Mine grandmother and grandfather were imprisoned into a camp by Finnish soldier during "occupation". Please we all suffered enough in disputes.
@SoulTakerxRus Your first comment is fair. But you need to learn more about the subject of native americans. In my region we never fought each other. We lived together.
...too bad Russia kep those territories, they MUST return to Finland. I've nothing against the russian people, but Finland was attacked, it was forced to give territories with a wide majority of finns, so I'd never understand how someone could say this was right.
I am a 51% Finn :) and enjoy the commonality of all nordic peoples and their homelands from Iceland to the Vepsas and Livonians. It is more attitude and some culture traits, I think, just remember there is always more difference in individuals within one group than there is difference between any two groups generally. Kiitos
On the latter point of the previous post; of course I meant Scandinavia in its "strict" definition; and not the commonly-known broader meaning of the term. Ok.
Secondly, some seem to have a Hitler complex; i.e. hate those (Jews) who gave birth to a part of him. In this case, those who gave birth to a curly hair, black eyes, dark complexion, funny language, etc. Look, don't be hard on yourself - it wasn't your fault.
Btw, I have a blond hair, blue yes, and ancestral name Johansson & am VERY fit.
"Finland is not in Scandinavia and has never in history been part of Scandinavia. Do you understand now? Is information capable of using the passageway into your idiot-mind? Or does one have to manually smash information into your thick, disgusting mongoloid skull for you to understand?"
- Lol. WRONG! Finland WAS a part of Sweden (Scandinavia) 400 yrs. (historical connection).
"Finland is neither Scandinavian by geography or ethnicity."
Cowards way: lose a debate, abuse the opposite party, and block him from further discussion. Bravo!
My initial comment was a response to this:
"@SlazerlentonTV 'No, dirty Karjala is dirty Asian Karjala.'" Slander which is utterly FALSE.
Secondly, I stated that Scandinavia is a broad term comprising geographical, ethnic, historical, cultural and religious connections between various people groups; e.g. "cross" flags; Lutherans; Finland, once a part Sweden (Scandinavia "proper"), etc.
@Peppepoppldoppl Actually, it's NOT. Firstly, it's a part of Scandinavia, and secondly, a part of Europe. Now, the continents are: Europe, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Australia, Antarctica, Greenland
@Peppepoppldoppl Yes so. Scandinavian countries are: Denmark, Sweden, Norway & Finland (which Karelia has always been a part of). Secondly, even Moscow is located in Europe, how much more then St Petersburg, Vyborg & Finland. The Ural mountains form a border between Europe and Asia (keeping to the understood divide as per the times before the pre-Suez and Panama canals)
@Peppepoppldoppl Ur confusing "Scandinavian Peninsula" with the "Scandinavia". The latter is a rather broad term per se. It's comprising historical, cultural and religious connections, as well as those of geographic and ethni; e.g. everyone knows of the cross in their flags. Also, ask the folks to name the Scandinavian countries and they always include Finland.
Whatever, a mere side-show; for, unlike you asserted below - Finland IS NOT of Asia by a country mile.
@obuBBubo I am not confusing anything with nationality or geographical locations here.
Stop complaining already, you Mongoloid Finn. Finland is NOT in Scandinavia and has never in history been part of Scandinavia. Do you understand now? Is information capable of using the passageway into your idiot-mind? Or does one have to manually smash information into your thick, disgusting mongoloid skull for you to understand?
Finland is neither Scandinavian by geography or ethnicity.
@Peppepoppldoppl As I said, whatever. Now, I responded to your misinformation: "@SlazerlentonTV "No, dirty Karjala is dirty Asian Karjala." Which IS utterly FALSE.
Encore: "Scandinavia" is a broad term used of those connected via geography, ethnic lines, history, culture, and religion - and this not necessarily by each and every aspect in every case (e.g. Finland); however, one or more of these are present in every case to form recognised connections.
No difference between the communists and fascists. Same scum.
- Ah Joseph, how an earth you managed to murder six million plus in such a short time!!? I should try it one day.
- Umm Adolf, it wasn't really my idea, comrade Lenin experimented with it in 1922...Btw, thanks for your offer to sink that ship; you're a pal
- Don't mention it chum, thank YOU for the port, and for those goodies you're sending. It's good to have a friend like you, Joseph; rotten west is blockading me everywhere. Later.
You lie! The main social rights that exist in most of civilized countries were acquired at the struggles leadered by the communists. Thanks to the communists we are not living in III Reich today. The first country to criminalize racism was a socialist country, the USSR. So, your whole post makes no sense.
No system kills more than the capitalist system, so if you wanna compare systems, you should try to compare capitalism and fascism, or USA, UK and Nazi Germany.
@Swordman85 Lenin and Stalin murdered over TEN million of OWN PEOPLE long before Hitler had touched any of the Jews, gypsies, etc. Also, I read somewhere, that since 1949, Chinese Communists have killed 100 million of THEIR OWN people. As a matter of fact, communist system relies heavily on suppression of opposition BY ANY MEANS. Their 99.9% election outcomes are achieved by terror, NOT by democratic means. Anarchism and nihilism are their hallmarks to power.
@Ijordanic Easy for you to say. Now what's the second most important city in Jordan...? Imagine if a foreign power took it, and lands around it, and its song, and then claiming them as its own. What would you do? Object or enjoy the spectacle?
There're a lot of dead men walking on the face of the earth; men of hollowed eyes and void of a soul; driven on by a conveyor belt of time towards the discard pile of lost dreams. As for me....I am therefore I speak.
@starush777 What? Where is your proof or did you make it up? I am pretty sure Karelians are pretty much Finnish people. Their national clothes and language is very similar to Finnish ones. Even as an Estonian I find it fascinating how their national clothes look extremely similar to ours and the language seems just like ours. Please show me haplogroup or any other dna evidence or links, anything. I'm pretty sure Karelians are very similar in genetic makeup to fins.
@scrap222666 Sure, they are very similar to pure finnish, and they are much more finnish then slavic.
However they have significant russian (slavic) influence at least in culture. For example, many Karelian folk songs that I listened sound just like russian songs and even keeps fragments of Russian original lyrics.
@starush777 You're definitely wrong on this. The tribe called Karelians with other Finnish tribes in the region reach into misty past (location of undersigned's ancestry goes back to 400AD; also, watch my autoplay video). Now, Novgoridians itching into Karelians' territory is more recent (type: "Karelians' history" on google and see for yourself).
So, the Slavs were entirely of a different race. Exiles, newcomers, intermixing, etc.that's been happening since; well, that's another story.
@obuBBubo Wowowow, 400 AD, it's too too far away from nowadays, it's doesn't make sense to count how "pure" was blood of one or another tribe more than 1.5 thousand years ago. ;-) What really makes the sense – that after all mixing we share many common things in culture. Being Russian and living in Moldavia, I do love Finnish and Karelian folk songs very much, their sounds is not something alien to my heart. Peace, bro. :)
@starush777 Small world...; "Moldova.org" has been/is one of my favourite sites, lol.
"Although it is a neutral country and the constitution rules out the stationing of foreign military forces on Moldovan soil, Russian troops are still stationed in Transdniestria." Como?, they left Poland and the Baltics...?
@obuBBubo it's too complicated to fit answers in one message. in brief, russian troops keep Transdniestria (with it's mostly slavic population) relatively independent from main part of Moldova. If they didn't do that, our state quickly became the romanian province, as it was for a few years in last century, and it was not good for this land.
@starush777 Are you serius? Look at my channel, lol. I must tell you, though; at the time of my "joining" utube, i couldn't understand any of those "ethnic" songs; however, these days i understand it all (I think). I only speak English. For the heck of it, it would be fun to learn Russian. Maybe I should try...
I want to record that Mr obuBBubo (or madam) is a real Karel. I have not met any of Karelia that would be so strongly advocated the independence of their country. While living at the same time thousands of miles away. My compliments and respect. I apologize for my English. I bloody red Russian-occupier). Засим прощаюс-с
@Karel69482 Lol. What about watching the "Red Terror on the Amber Coast". Stalin's de-population policy was very clear, real, and CRUEL. Hitler decimated Jews, Stalin did the same to minorities. Also, read: "Ethnic operations" ( under the "population transfer in the Soviet Union").
Then take a pen and a paper, and write: 'How to become the president of Russia? My next ten years." It might take you twenty or thirty even, but once you're there, undo the butcher's wrongs.
@obuBBubo My great-grandfather and great-grandmother, too, was sent to Karelia for the construction of the White Sea-Baltic Canal in central Russia. To some extent I am also a victim of repression. But I'm not crying. And to become president of Russia, I do not going (perhaps the Prime Minister))) And another. Although we live in shit, but thanks to Stalin, we have a nuclear bomb;))))
@Karel69482 So, after having put wrong right; you take your kith and kin, and all the other "immigrants" and say to them: I can hear the spirit of ancestors calling from the plains yonder, let's go HOME Sons of.....; what are we languishing here in the foreign land. Let's go back to our roots, and be united with the spirits of our forefathers. Our exile has been far too long."
Epilogue: what was at first a mere trickle, swelled into a mighty river, as the happy and singing throng marched south.
@obuBBubo Lol. However, you humorist. Drop everything and go back to where there is not relative? No ties, work, friends and home in the end? If you were American, European or African prois, and the Indians would have told you: "Go away from the land of our ancestors", you'd be back in Europe or Africa? I think not. So do not talk to me about the call of ancestral spirits. You know how to laugh.
@Karel69482 You take your kith and kin, and friends with you to the land ancestors reaching into misty infinity.., and carve out a new home for yourself, look around and yell, "This is it!! Yeehaa!!"
- Indians: not the same story. American population is some 300m; size of England is 1/500th (?) of the earth; whereas, Karlian population is 3-400 thou(?), and the size of Russia 1/6th of the earth. It can be done. If Indian/American/English was the same - it SHOULD be done.
@obuBBubo But living in America not only Americans of English descent, there live people from all over Europe, all over the world. And by the way, the population of Karelia 600-700 thousand people. Russia does not take a sixth of the Earth. 1 / 6 of the Earth held the Soviet Union. And the best part of this area is not suitable for life. Maybe your country will take 600 thousand people? And what to do with Karel, who can not live without Russia, and Russian. And there are many, I assure you.
@Karel69482 There're some 3 million Russians & their descendants in America; please don't send them to Siberia:). Exiled Karelians from Karelia numbered close to 1/2 million; yet, tiny Finland was able accommodate them; how much more the vast Russia can do the same to 6-700 thou.
Moreover, Karelians were given only hours to start moving (watch "Evakon laulu" on my channel), whilst Russian planes above were wreaking havoc amongst them. Your orderly moving will be a mere breeze in comparison.
@obuBBubo Well, you know, no one voluntarily will be hosting a mass exodus from their homes. While in Karelia, and not the best climate...Did you know that the Red Army, which is so badly is so brutally fought with small but proud and heroic Finland, there were parts, or almost entirely composed of Karelian and Finns?During the Great Patriotic War (in Finland Jatkosota) in the 71th Division, 126 Regiment, commanded by Walter Valli.He fought against the Finnish army in Karelia
@Karel69482 Stands to show how a stupid ideology can erode true values in men and turn them into traitors to their homes, tribes, and the nation. Yet again, it could be that "machine gunners behind the attacking army is another reality" (Stalin) might've had something to do with it. Even today in Africa, young males are being kidnapped and made to fight under the threat of getting executed if they refused.
@obuBBubo Traitors? The fact that they were defending their home, their family, their homeland - is a betrayal? Ok, I will not persuade you. I will quote only one story (it happened early in the war, an attack by the Finns of Soviet frontier post during the battle ):... half Branch senior sgt Tikiläinen Peter died, the rest were wounded. The cartridges ran out, stopped firing. And when the enemy went into the attack, raised Tikiläinen fighters in the latest attack. Killing all.
@obuBBubo Senior Sergeant of the 52nd Regiment, 71st Division, Peter Abramovich Tikiläinen was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union posthumously." It seems to me like traitors for not able to.
PS Hero of the Soviet Union - the highest Soviet award, if you do not know.
Emotive, heartbreaking, motivating, delightful... What other beautiful feature this anthem deserves to be assigned for? I'd started crying, my friends. A very, very discrete land like Karelia had made one of the best national songs not only inside Europe, but around the entire world. My applauses for Karelia.
You don't receive St.-Petersburg never! We have beaten off fascist mongrels, and mind you we will resist especially! Don't forget Grand duchy Finnish!
@HongKongKanto Actually, Boris Yeltsin, the former President of Russia, accepted that SU had been culprit in starting to war unprovoked against Finland, and offered to SELL Karelia (back) to Finland. But he Finns were not interested (i agree with them - after loosing 100 000 in dead, and $300 000 000 in war "compensation" to Russia, for no fault of their own, why should they pay more for what theirs).
It only takes another Yeltsin to give a better deal; that is, return the lands for nothing.
@obuBBubo lol if Russia doesnt give back these kuril island to japan that has gdp of 5000 billion, why they should even consider to give these land to finland, how much gdp has finland 200 dollars lol?
@HongKongKanto Because it's a right and honourable thing to do. Say, if i robed a bank and then later on came to my senses about what I had done; in order to restore my self-respect and re-gain my dignity, I MUST put right the wrong I've done. That is, I MUST return the money I stole to the bank, walk to authorities and hand myself in to receive a punishment the society imposes on its lawbrakers (in this case on a bank-robber).
...прекрасно жили. Они воевали бок о бок во время Второй мировой войны (те. что воевали на стороне Финляндии - предатели, коих было не мало и в других странах). Разговоры о том, что русские уничтожили культуру карел - ложь. В Карелии достаточно людей, говорящих по-карельски. Отдать Финляндии всю Карелию до Белого моря - это ли не империализм?!
PS А ещё в Карелии отличная рыбалка, много грибов и ягод! ;)
@Karel69482 "Always" is stretching the truth a bit (miles). For, Novgorodians were newcomers to the region; whereas, Karelians were directly related by blood and language to other Finnic tribes that occupied the Northern Europe. Slavs and other ethnic groups to the region will always remain newcomers and occupiers as far as Karelia and Karelians are concerned.
Btw, your username is deceptive, insensitive, and most provocative. Be a good Russian instead.
@obuBBubo Может я чех, и меня зовут Карел, вы об этом не думали? Я живу всю жизнь в Карелии и справедливо могу считать себя карелом. Во всяком случае я знаю, что карельский язык никак не связан с латышским и литовским. Далее. Если вы говорите, что славяне оккупанты, почему тогда у нас нет войны подобно тому, что на Кавказе?
@Karel69482 For starters, Stalin had 37 000 Karelians executed in in 1930's for no other reason than them being Karelians (nowadays it's called ethnic cleansing). So, there was opposition, but it was brutally suppressed by the Bolshevicks. Give them a chance, and they declare independence any day.
@obuBBubo Вы не знаете карельских реалий. Смысл независимости Карелии? Чтоб она тут же вошла в состав Финляндии? Или превратилась в её сырьевой придаток? А что делать с остальными этническими группами, в первую очеред русскими. Русские в Карелии занимают подавляющее большинство. . И насчёт уничтоженных карелов. Известно ли вам, что убивали тогда не по национальному, а по классовому признаку? И то что руководители НКВД Карелии были в основном карелы, латыши и украинцы?
Я убедился, что подавляющее большинство не совсем понимает, что есть Карелия. Карелия - это не клочок земли в виде Карельского перешейка, это не северное Приладожье, это её части. Карелия большая. Она тянется от озера Тумчаозеро на севере до Ладожского на юге. Её берега омывает Белое море, на её территории столько же озёр, сколько и в Финляндии.
Я согласен, что территории, отошедшие СССР после 1940 года финские, но всё остальное НИКОГДА Финляндии не принадлежало. Русские с карелами всегда...
Ah, the key word is "in studying Estonian". I take you're not a native Estonian then; dare i say if you were, "Labas Rytas!" would be music in your ears with lots uncanny:) familiarities present.
@whyteay "A nutter (or nut gatherer) is one who gathers nuts. It is also an offensive slang word for a mentally ill person, but also slang for someone who is fearless, tough and cruel."
"Our fate is hard, now that we are compelled to give up to an alien race, a race with a life philosophy and moral values different from ours, land which for centuries we have cultivated in sweat and labour.Yet, we must put our shoulders to the wheel, in order that we may prepare on the soil left to us a home for those rendered homeless." (Mannerheim)
Wasn't Siberia big enough? Of course it was. So why to go and cause so much suffering to so many innocent people? Two wrongs doesn't make it right.
@reading70 Don't get your panties in a bunch. Karelia is as likely to go back to Finland as Texas and California are to go back to Mexico. What's done is done.
@reading70 Yes, because for once, those allies weren't massive hypocrites.
They colonized and permanently claimed the Western US, Northern Ireland, and Algeria respectively -- and it probably occurred to them how hypocritical they would be if they started splitting hairs about what Russia was occupying and calling it's own. In the deep haze of your irrational Russophobia, that probably never donned on you.
@Tokopol It is not russophobia, it is just how the things went. The so called "allies" agreed for the expulsions of population, many finns, germans, jews were left on their own with new governments that wanted to delete each trace of them, disrespeting all of their rights. While you agreed the expulsions of germans, we didn't in Sud Tirol, and we avoided a tragedy of an exodus. Italy in fact of this is the best of the best. Not like the begged allies of the WW2.
@Tokopol That's not true. If something will return in the World, is Karelia. Finnish people have so long roots there. You should really use some time to check Russian names for those lost Finnish karelian areas. How old are Finnish and how old are Russian names. That's really the best way to check who really have right for those places. I can give you few examples: Finnish Koivisto. Russian name Primorsk was found at 1.10.1948. Finnish Taipale, Russian Solovjevo found at 14.1.1948. See?
@tupakki That's romanticism. You can fantasize all you want, but it's just as likely as Rhodesians retaking Zimbabwe, Pied-Noirs retaking Algeria, or Aborigines retaking Australia. I don't hate indigenous people, but my head isn't in outer fucking space either. Lviv in Ukraine used to be called Lwow (Polish) and Limburg (German) too, but the only thing that matters in the end is who lives on the land.
Try taking it back, and you and your flimsy romantic arguments will end up in the Hague.
@Tokopol Actually it's not romanticism. If we would speak about East-Karelia, the case would be different. We are really speaking heart areas of Finland which Soviet-Russia occupied after the war, finally by Paris treaty 1947. USSR tried to erase everything which refered to previous owners. Even old cemeteries. They even incorrectly called it old Russian land. What that tells? Don't try to justify those with some other cases. It can't.
Yeah we will try to take Old Finland back. You can be sure.
@Karel69482 That would not be a problem because I can read cyrillic, but I don't know the meaning of many words. If you want to be understandable why don't you write with a conventional language like english?
@reading70 Understandable. I start with you just do not understand. If you understand, that translates Google translator, then so be it, move on to English.
@VTBbank It is not russian ethnic, Russia took it by force, lots of finns had to leave. Russia is a giant country, you don't need to hold something is not yours. Russia several times tried to re write history, but it failed.
It is not important if it was Finish in the past. We live now in 21. century, and Republic of Karelia is Russian territory where mayority of ethnic Russians live today.
Finland has lost the war (Moscow peace treaty), and you Finns have to accept this fact, and move on with your life and stop dreaming.
Czechoslovakia, Poland, Slovenia, East Prussia...these were all German teritories in the past. After Germany lost the WW2, they have lost all this teritories forever.
@VTBbank Well, nothing last forever. Russia forced many innocents to leave their homes, and the simple fact that now 70 years are past is not a justification. Look at Konigsberg, filled with dirty russian that have destroyed the magnificent city. Now is a nightmare, it would be a dream to see the german come back, Russia showed that is not able to administrate positively any lands. And you are guilty exactly as Germany because you signed the Molotov Ribbentrop pact. No mercy for Russia.
Modern day Kaliningrad (former Konigsberg) is one of the most developing and growing economic region of Russia. Kaliningrad has the highest GDP growght within entire Baltic region (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania). Kaliningrad has moore industry and foreighn investments than Poland. German BMW and Daimler AG have the buigest automobile factories in eastern Europe located in Kaliningrad. The town of Kaliningrad has one of the most beautufull historic places in entire Baltic !
That's interesting, I did not know about it. I once met a girl from Kaliningrad. We were friendly, but one day she suddendly stopped to reply me and deleted her profile from Livemocha. I dunno why, maybe because she discovered that I am communist.
@VTBbank "Finland has lost the war (Moscow peace treaty), and you Finns have to accept this fact, and move on with your life and stop dreaming."
Wow! 150 million plus vs. 3 million..... Lost?! Hardly so. If a 10 yr boy, having been attacked by a 200kg, still stands in the end; it cannot possibly be termed as a "lost". Finland lost a part of Karelia to Russians who ILLEGALLY and UNPROVOKED attacked the country.
JUSTICE of the Baltics must be applied to Karelia.
@VTBbank "Czechoslovakia, Poland, Slovenia, East Prussia...these were all German teritories in the past. After Germany lost the WW2, they have lost all this teritories forever."
Looks like this is your "proof text" why it should be same with Finland. But it's WRONG!! Germany (like Russia) invaded sovereign countries of Europe as per the pact.
Now, if the reasoning is: guilty lose territories; it follows then that Karelia should be returned to Finns and Leningrad or something added to them.
Capitan ovvio? Really? Oh, I am so sad... lol. What a marvelous argument you have. Did they teach you in Italy about something called "ad hominem"? It's not Italian, it's Latin, it's exactly what you do, insult, instead of bringing rational arguments. I'm sad to inform you, but it has no rational value. Your arguments have the deepness of a 5 years old kid.
Cesare Battisti is a hero, he killed a fascist, as V. Zaytsev. Thanks to him, the "Italian Breivik" never existed.
PS: Give back Salvatore Cacciola, a banker who robbed millions in this country and is now protected by Italian government.
PS2: This "Banana's Republic" humiliated Italy in WWII, an ally of Axis. I bet you are just another poor and ridiculous "hooligan wannabe", who has no money to travel to another countries. Your Euros are welcome here.
@Swordman85 XD You think I could be offended by somthing made not by me? XD You think I could care if your country entered or less the war? Here we are talking about how Ussr stole lands from Finland, forcing the population to leave everything, and this for the guilts of governments (here happened the same with Istria). Now, you have two choices, you can continue to sick us with your silly comments, or you can leave us to talk about history.
USSR never stole lands from Finland. Finland itself was part of Russia. Before the WWII, Russia needed lands from Finland to prepare the defense of Leningrad, considered the "Northern capital". Since Finland refused, they started provocations that resulted at war, leading to the anexation of Karelia. Today it's part of Russian and most of it's inhabitants consider themselves Russians, even those with Finnish last names like "Hakkaraynen", "Pumalaynen", I have friends from Karelia.
@Swordman85 But of course, they stole Finnish lands from Swedes, who had stolen them from Finnish tribes earlier. FACT. Secondly, Leningrad or no Leningrad; Finland was a SOVEREIGN nation with all the rights over its own lands; whereas, SU had NO RIGHTS to make a demand for any part of it therein. Thirdly, shelling in Mainila was done by Soviets themselves; the FACT, they admitted after 1990. Fourthly, they are Russians, because the Finns were ILLEGALLY forced from their homes.
@Swordman85 The names are Hakkarainen and Puumalainen. I am a fin and I know. By the way there are hundreds of Karelians who would consider themselves as Fins and would like to join the republic of Finland because
the Russians cannot provide them for example heating in the cold winter time.
Finland was not a Russian province, it was autonomic part of Sweden. In year 1809 Russia took Finland from Sweden. The reason why the Winter War were fought was a pact between III Reich and Soviet Union. I'm from Baltic States and i know history, not sovietic but the REAL history.
You mean that you know the history that you learned at Finnish school books, which is not necessarely the "real history". History is told according to the interest of rulling classes of this or that country.
If in 1809 "Russia took Finland from Sweden", you are recognizing that Finland was not a separated country.
If You say that history is told according to the interest of rulling classes of this or that country, then so was things with history in USSR and so they are in Russia today.
The reason why Winter War started was that USSR needed to protect it's Northren border and Mannerheim refused to aid them, despite USSR offered part of its territory in exchange.
History proofed that Soviets did it right, since they could delay the advance of Nazi troops towards Leningrad, which made it's defense possible.
Thanks to the Soviets, the Nazi Germany was defeated and nazism ceased to exist as a political regime, the whole world is in debt with USSR.
Soviet Union was the biggiest state in the world and it had a huge army. Finland had only more than 100 000 man. Then why USSR needed Karelia? Becouse of pretecton of Peterburg. It is nonsense. Who would attack USSR from north? Nobody. This was only Stalins fantasy, as all this GULAG system. And actually Soviet Union did not defeted nazism alone, it was made with USA aid of wepons, food ect. So nobody is in debt.
Why so? Actually i'm not yenki. I'm from little but proud state. It has suffered under USSR und Nazi occupation. So, i know how are things wiht WWII history.
Or do you sincerelly believe that Finland would be able to stop the Nazi war machine? Perhaps it would to stop it in Finland alone, but certainly not able to reach Berlim and plant a flag over the Reichstag, hence destroying the nazi menace.
This is not "Soviet history", this is the history learned in any part of the globe, these are facts!
Any part of the word? Maybe the Russian part of the world? It is very likely so. Becouse in Western part of the World people learn different history. There thet learn that USSR ocupaided Baltic States, Karelia, Poland, allmoast half of Germany and many odher countries in Balcans and in Central Europe. And aslo USSR killed more than 100 million people during occupatsion. Even Russian writers write about what USSR did during IIWW and after that. The best is Aleksandr Solženitsõn.
If Finland exists as an independent political entity today, it's thanks to Lenin, because before him, Finland was no more than a Swedish or Russian province. Some Russians even hate Lenin for giving up old provinces of Russian Empire.
So, there is no debt at all. I really doubt that Finnish government has interest in Karelia, except for a few ultra-nationalist fanatics.
@Swordman85 In fact it is not so, and you should read some history book before to say that this is just a nationalist issue, what would you say if I would force you to leave your land, your friends, your job and so on. This is exactly what was done by Russia (Ussr back then), they took lands composed of different ethnic groups, and tried to delay all the previous traces of people living there, so you couldn't anymore speak your language, express your opinion and so on.
National anthem of Karelia should be singed by Karelian language. Doesn't Karelians have any pride under Russia? Your culture is dying for reasons like this.
I long back Karelia, but I come to learn that I'm in a minority. And I guess it's true and I guess it's already too late, but I've felt a really strong sense of responsibility towards the people that stayed there. My family was Karelian until the war. Finland was a much better place than the Soviet Union. There probably were and are people living there in bad conditions, people that I would maybe now know if the war would have never happened. It's funny, but I feel really guilty about it.
As for iffy, how do you figure? Look what happened when people attempted to go own way against the Soviets' wishes: Hungary in 1956 and Prague in 1968. Prague is a great example, because those were reforms, not a total 180° change. They didn't even reject or attempt to break with the Soviet Union, and yet look at the reaction.
@JonnyLightning That's because they attempted to leave the Warsaw Pact/side with Tito. Kadar's reforms would normally have gone against Soviet wishes, but since he was to remain in the Warsaw Pact, the Soviets allowed it. Zhivkov was inspiring through his daughter old nationalism in Bulgaria, bringing monarchist images. The Soviets allowed it. Dubcek attempted to leave the Warsaw pact and the second wave of the Hungarian revolution was fascist.
Кстати, Финляндия или Finland - это европейское название страны, а самоназвание - Suomi, что приблизительно значит (да простят меня финны, если неправильно) "Страна озёр и болот". А насчёт славянской колонизации я действительно был не прав, признаю. Она началась в XI веке. Не верите, спросите в Google.
@Karel69482 "let them try to take it away", and "we stand for our land"
Say that to those who were forced out of their homes, forced from their Karelia, to die in exile away from home. Say to them "come and try to take away OUR land".
Now, is it your land? No. A stolen horse NEVER belongs to a horsethief or to his descendants. You can re-name it, you can call it yours, but it will NEVER be yours. The air you breath, the scenery you see, the ground you stand on will NEVER be yours. You stole it.
"Now, is it your land? No. A stolen horse NEVER belongs to a horsethief or to his descendants. You can re-name it, you can call it yours, but it will NEVER be yours. The air you breath, the scenery you see, the ground you stand on will NEVER be yours. You stole it."
A greater truism was never spoken; a shame the Russians refuse to acknowledge its truth.
@Karel69482 As to "complaints", they don't enter into consideration in the light of the 100 000 Finns killed in wars nobody wanted. If yous stayed in your own land, there were no killings, no camps, no nothing. But no; just had to come and CAUSE so much misery and suffering to so many. And force 1/2 million people out of their homes to die heart-broken in exile.
You call it "our anthem", and of the land "it had always been, and will be Russian", and "if someone does not think so"
@obuBBubo Послушайте, вы знаете хоть одного карела? Вы говорили с ним на эти темы? Я говорю, что это наш гимн потому что я родился и живу в Карелии, мои родители в ней родились. У меня здесь друзья и родственники и поэтому я считаю эту землю своей, своей Родиной. Как вы свою. Почему финны в 1941 году пошли в Восточную Карелию? Она никогда не была финской.
Вы знаете, мой прадед участвовал в Зимней войне, то есть получается он оккупант, он убийца? А вы знаете, что в годы оккупации советской Карелии финские оккупанты уничтожили в несколько раз больше человек, чем погибло в годы Зимней войны? Что в финских концлагерях содержание заключённых было хуже, чем немецких? А вы знаете, что в партизанском движении принимали участие и карелы, и вепсы, как ни странно, финны?
То, что национальная культура Карелии умирает виноваты не русские (делать нам больше нечего, кроме как уничтожать карельскую культуру), а республиканская власть, выделяющая на неё сущие гроши. Ведь в Коми, в Удмуртии, в Марий Эл жива национальная культура. Неправильно во всём винить русских, мы ведь не виним американцев за уничтожение индейцев.
@Karel69482 But of course Russians (Soviets) are to be blamed for the demise. The unprovoked and illegal invasion of Finnish territories in 1939, and 1944 by Soviet Union forced nearly 1/2 million Karelians from their homes and lands.
Justice would demand that Stalin be hanged posthumously, and the illegally occupied lands of Karelia be returned to their legitimate owners the Finns.
Btw, the WORLD recognised SU's invasion as illegal, and kicked SU out from the League of Nations.
@Peppepoppldoppl Ох какой ты дерзкий) Ты хоть что-нибудь знаешь о Карелии, а? Я живу в Карелии в третьем поколении (кстати, как ты правильно сказал, чистых русских почти не осталось. Я на 1/4 коми (финно-угорский народ)) и представь, не один мой знакомый карел не считает, что я оккупант, что я пришлый. Нет, правда, ты меня насмешил)) И сам ты идиотский идиот.
@Peppepoppldoppl Тогда приезжайте, пожалуйста в Карелию, и агетируйте среди населения о присоединении к Финляндии. И ждите, пока вам, извините, не набили морду.
Значит, давайте разберёмся. Может это уже кто-то говорил. Непосредственно финской Карелия была в районе Лахденпохьи, Сортавалы, Питкяранты, часть Суоярвского и Пряженского районов, а также некоторые территории на севере Карелии. Восточнее были всегда русские территории! Ещё с X века, со времён славянской колонизации. Хотите сказать, что русские недавно появились здесь? Они появились здесь, когда ещё не существовало даже русского народа!
@Karel69482 Nah. The region was called "The land of Finns" around X century. And even if true (which it isn't), the X century is mere nubie compared to Finnish settlements in the area. Finns, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians date way way back from X date.
You can argue your case by conquests, but NOT by history (unless you twist it).
Yeah, long before Russians and Swedes entered Karelia, Karelians were singing songs of Kalevala with a great enthusiasm. Singing them not in Russian, nor in Swedish, but in Karelian - a dialect very close to Finnish and Estonian languages, and related to Latvian, Lithuanian, and Hungerian.
Moreover, when they were singing, the blood pumping through their veins was neither Russian nor Swedish, but Finnish blood. And the genes of the singers were from the same pool as those of Finns. So there.
@obuBBubo Related to Finnish and Estonian maybe, but definitely NOT to Latvian and Lithuanian, which are in the Balto-Slavic group. And to Hungarian very, very distantly, and even that's open to question.
Is Karelian still spoken on the Russian side or has it become extinct?
101Restoration 3 weeks ago
The TRUTH CAN SPEAK, lies has nothing worthwhile to say: Katyn never happened, Finns started the war, Karelia was a Russian territory from times immemorial, etc. etc.
Hmm...some also say the pigs can fly....the same thing, lol.
obuBBubo 1 month ago
Финны, рот свой прикройте!
Yohanesburk1 1 month ago
My heritage is a united family. One side from Karelia and the other from the SW Islands. Russia murdered thousands. Forced the change of names both of town and people to Russian. LET MY PEOPLE GO.
namatson 1 month ago
@namatson We all lost family members then to both sides. Both of mine great-grandfathers were imprisoned for 5 years during Soviet era - one of them was executed in prison. Mine grandmother and grandfather were imprisoned into a camp by Finnish soldier during "occupation". Please we all suffered enough in disputes.
SoulTakerxRus 1 month ago
@namatson and don't start that WILLIAM WALLACE thing here. The whole United States was carved with Native American blood. What about them?
SoulTakerxRus 1 month ago
@SoulTakerxRus Your first comment is fair. But you need to learn more about the subject of native americans. In my region we never fought each other. We lived together.
namatson 1 month ago
@namatson Okay, fair. I trust that they are really happy to live in Indian reservations. And you should youself study more about Karelia.
SoulTakerxRus 1 month ago
@SoulTakerxRus They don't live on reservations. We live among each other.
namatson 1 month ago
...too bad Russia kep those territories, they MUST return to Finland. I've nothing against the russian people, but Finland was attacked, it was forced to give territories with a wide majority of finns, so I'd never understand how someone could say this was right.
reading70 2 months ago
I have family in Karelia , Finland and Russia ... hmm .. what am I ? =)
qwertystudios1 2 months ago
I am a 51% Finn :) and enjoy the commonality of all nordic peoples and their homelands from Iceland to the Vepsas and Livonians. It is more attitude and some culture traits, I think, just remember there is always more difference in individuals within one group than there is difference between any two groups generally. Kiitos
LeoTiger750 2 months ago
On the latter point of the previous post; of course I meant Scandinavia in its "strict" definition; and not the commonly-known broader meaning of the term. Ok.
Secondly, some seem to have a Hitler complex; i.e. hate those (Jews) who gave birth to a part of him. In this case, those who gave birth to a curly hair, black eyes, dark complexion, funny language, etc. Look, don't be hard on yourself - it wasn't your fault.
Btw, I have a blond hair, blue yes, and ancestral name Johansson & am VERY fit.
obuBBubo 2 months ago
"Finland is not in Scandinavia and has never in history been part of Scandinavia. Do you understand now? Is information capable of using the passageway into your idiot-mind? Or does one have to manually smash information into your thick, disgusting mongoloid skull for you to understand?"
- Lol. WRONG! Finland WAS a part of Sweden (Scandinavia) 400 yrs. (historical connection).
"Finland is neither Scandinavian by geography or ethnicity."
- a strawman, I never suggested such connection
obuBBubo 2 months ago
Cowards way: lose a debate, abuse the opposite party, and block him from further discussion. Bravo!
My initial comment was a response to this:
"@SlazerlentonTV 'No, dirty Karjala is dirty Asian Karjala.'" Slander which is utterly FALSE.
Secondly, I stated that Scandinavia is a broad term comprising geographical, ethnic, historical, cultural and religious connections between various people groups; e.g. "cross" flags; Lutherans; Finland, once a part Sweden (Scandinavia "proper"), etc.
obuBBubo 2 months ago
Karelia should belong to Finland or get an independence.
sandwich1817 3 months ago
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@sandwich1817 and you will not be bold?
RusMegaDrill 3 months ago
Välillä 0:43 - 1:21 ja 1:55 - 2:35, sävel tuntui oudon tutulta.
markusespoosta 3 months ago
Karjala is Finland.
SlazerlentonTV 4 months ago
@SlazerlentonTV No, dirty Karjala is dirty Asian Karjala.
Peppepoppldoppl 3 months ago
@Peppepoppldoppl if Kaelia is dirty, big thanks to soviet/russian idndustry, but Karelia is never Asian!
SlazerlentonTV 3 months ago
@SlazerlentonTV Yes it is Asian.
Peppepoppldoppl 3 months ago
@Peppepoppldoppl Actually, it's NOT. Firstly, it's a part of Scandinavia, and secondly, a part of Europe. Now, the continents are: Europe, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Australia, Antarctica, Greenland
obuBBubo 2 months ago
@obuBBubo NOPE. Karelia is Asian.
Not even Finland is Scandinavian so why would Karelia be?
Peppepoppldoppl 2 months ago
@Peppepoppldoppl Yes so. Scandinavian countries are: Denmark, Sweden, Norway & Finland (which Karelia has always been a part of). Secondly, even Moscow is located in Europe, how much more then St Petersburg, Vyborg & Finland. The Ural mountains form a border between Europe and Asia (keeping to the understood divide as per the times before the pre-Suez and Panama canals)
obuBBubo 2 months ago
@obuBBubo No, geographically Scandinavia is only Sweden and Norway, ethnically Denmark is also included. Not Finland.
Peppepoppldoppl 2 months ago
@Peppepoppldoppl Ur confusing "Scandinavian Peninsula" with the "Scandinavia". The latter is a rather broad term per se. It's comprising historical, cultural and religious connections, as well as those of geographic and ethni; e.g. everyone knows of the cross in their flags. Also, ask the folks to name the Scandinavian countries and they always include Finland.
Whatever, a mere side-show; for, unlike you asserted below - Finland IS NOT of Asia by a country mile.
obuBBubo 2 months ago
@obuBBubo I am not confusing anything with nationality or geographical locations here.
Stop complaining already, you Mongoloid Finn. Finland is NOT in Scandinavia and has never in history been part of Scandinavia. Do you understand now? Is information capable of using the passageway into your idiot-mind? Or does one have to manually smash information into your thick, disgusting mongoloid skull for you to understand?
Finland is neither Scandinavian by geography or ethnicity.
Peppepoppldoppl 2 months ago
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@Peppepoppldoppl
- Ur confusing "Scandinavian Peninsula" with the "Scandinavia"
- I am not confusing anything with nationality or geographical locations here.
Lol
"Scandinavia" ain't a nation, but a term used to mean many things.
Checkmate.
obuBBubo 2 months ago
@obuBBubo Fucking Finnish little mongoloid. Fucking fat, short, stubby, disgusting humanoid of a Finn.
Your country is not Indo-European and will never in existence of this world be Scandinavian.
Peppepoppldoppl 2 months ago
@obuBBubo Hey, mongoloid. There is a difference between Fenno-Scandia and Scandinavia.
Peppepoppldoppl 2 months ago
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@Peppepoppldoppl As I said, whatever. Now, I responded to your misinformation: "@SlazerlentonTV "No, dirty Karjala is dirty Asian Karjala." Which IS utterly FALSE.
Encore: "Scandinavia" is a broad term used of those connected via geography, ethnic lines, history, culture, and religion - and this not necessarily by each and every aspect in every case (e.g. Finland); however, one or more of these are present in every case to form recognised connections.
obuBBubo 2 months ago
FINLAND THANK THE IMPIRE OF SWEDEN FOR THIS LITTLE GIFT )))))
GravityPowerful 4 months ago
@GravityPowerful The Karelians and the original version of this song is much more ancient than any Swedish Empire.
BalegardOfficial 4 months ago
KARJALA SUOMELLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ICcreepers 5 months ago
No difference between the communists and fascists. Same scum.
- Ah Joseph, how an earth you managed to murder six million plus in such a short time!!? I should try it one day.
- Umm Adolf, it wasn't really my idea, comrade Lenin experimented with it in 1922...Btw, thanks for your offer to sink that ship; you're a pal
- Don't mention it chum, thank YOU for the port, and for those goodies you're sending. It's good to have a friend like you, Joseph; rotten west is blockading me everywhere. Later.
obuBBubo 6 months ago
@obuBBubo
You lie! The main social rights that exist in most of civilized countries were acquired at the struggles leadered by the communists. Thanks to the communists we are not living in III Reich today. The first country to criminalize racism was a socialist country, the USSR. So, your whole post makes no sense.
No system kills more than the capitalist system, so if you wanna compare systems, you should try to compare capitalism and fascism, or USA, UK and Nazi Germany.
Swordman85 6 months ago
@Swordman85 Lenin and Stalin murdered over TEN million of OWN PEOPLE long before Hitler had touched any of the Jews, gypsies, etc. Also, I read somewhere, that since 1949, Chinese Communists have killed 100 million of THEIR OWN people. As a matter of fact, communist system relies heavily on suppression of opposition BY ANY MEANS. Their 99.9% election outcomes are achieved by terror, NOT by democratic means. Anarchism and nihilism are their hallmarks to power.
Study history and learn.
obuBBubo 6 months ago
@obuBBubo But the calm life was under communism, and communists in Russia was at its peak power, is not it?
Karel69482 5 months ago
ugh can't people just enjoy the pretty anthem and stop fighting like little kiddies?
Ijordanic 6 months ago
@Ijordanic Easy for you to say. Now what's the second most important city in Jordan...? Imagine if a foreign power took it, and lands around it, and its song, and then claiming them as its own. What would you do? Object or enjoy the spectacle?
There're a lot of dead men walking on the face of the earth; men of hollowed eyes and void of a soul; driven on by a conveyor belt of time towards the discard pile of lost dreams. As for me....I am therefore I speak.
obuBBubo 6 months ago
I AM 25% KARELIAN WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~
PlayingPlayStation 6 months ago
Karelians share finnish and russian ancestry. They are not just finns or just slavic.
starush777 7 months ago
@starush777 What? Where is your proof or did you make it up? I am pretty sure Karelians are pretty much Finnish people. Their national clothes and language is very similar to Finnish ones. Even as an Estonian I find it fascinating how their national clothes look extremely similar to ours and the language seems just like ours. Please show me haplogroup or any other dna evidence or links, anything. I'm pretty sure Karelians are very similar in genetic makeup to fins.
scrap222666 7 months ago
@scrap222666 Sure, they are very similar to pure finnish, and they are much more finnish then slavic.
However they have significant russian (slavic) influence at least in culture. For example, many Karelian folk songs that I listened sound just like russian songs and even keeps fragments of Russian original lyrics.
starush777 7 months ago
@starush777 You're definitely wrong on this. The tribe called Karelians with other Finnish tribes in the region reach into misty past (location of undersigned's ancestry goes back to 400AD; also, watch my autoplay video). Now, Novgoridians itching into Karelians' territory is more recent (type: "Karelians' history" on google and see for yourself).
So, the Slavs were entirely of a different race. Exiles, newcomers, intermixing, etc.that's been happening since; well, that's another story.
obuBBubo 7 months ago
@obuBBubo Wowowow, 400 AD, it's too too far away from nowadays, it's doesn't make sense to count how "pure" was blood of one or another tribe more than 1.5 thousand years ago. ;-) What really makes the sense – that after all mixing we share many common things in culture. Being Russian and living in Moldavia, I do love Finnish and Karelian folk songs very much, their sounds is not something alien to my heart. Peace, bro. :)
starush777 7 months ago
@starush777 Small world...; "Moldova.org" has been/is one of my favourite sites, lol.
"Although it is a neutral country and the constitution rules out the stationing of foreign military forces on Moldovan soil, Russian troops are still stationed in Transdniestria." Como?, they left Poland and the Baltics...?
obuBBubo 7 months ago
@obuBBubo it's too complicated to fit answers in one message. in brief, russian troops keep Transdniestria (with it's mostly slavic population) relatively independent from main part of Moldova. If they didn't do that, our state quickly became the romanian province, as it was for a few years in last century, and it was not good for this land.
P.S. who are you and what languages do you speak?
starush777 7 months ago
@starush777 Are you serius? Look at my channel, lol. I must tell you, though; at the time of my "joining" utube, i couldn't understand any of those "ethnic" songs; however, these days i understand it all (I think). I only speak English. For the heck of it, it would be fun to learn Russian. Maybe I should try...
obuBBubo 6 months ago
@starush777 Слушай, ты русский?
Karel69482 7 months ago 2
@Karel69482 ага. а чо?
starush777 7 months ago 2
@starush777 Да не, ничё. Просто первого русского человека здесь увидел))
Karel69482 7 months ago 2
I want to record that Mr obuBBubo (or madam) is a real Karel. I have not met any of Karelia that would be so strongly advocated the independence of their country. While living at the same time thousands of miles away. My compliments and respect. I apologize for my English. I bloody red Russian-occupier). Засим прощаюс-с
Karel69482 7 months ago
@Karel69482 Lol. What about watching the "Red Terror on the Amber Coast". Stalin's de-population policy was very clear, real, and CRUEL. Hitler decimated Jews, Stalin did the same to minorities. Also, read: "Ethnic operations" ( under the "population transfer in the Soviet Union").
Then take a pen and a paper, and write: 'How to become the president of Russia? My next ten years." It might take you twenty or thirty even, but once you're there, undo the butcher's wrongs.
obuBBubo 7 months ago
@obuBBubo My great-grandfather and great-grandmother, too, was sent to Karelia for the construction of the White Sea-Baltic Canal in central Russia. To some extent I am also a victim of repression. But I'm not crying. And to become president of Russia, I do not going (perhaps the Prime Minister))) And another. Although we live in shit, but thanks to Stalin, we have a nuclear bomb;))))
Karel69482 7 months ago
@Karel69482 So, after having put wrong right; you take your kith and kin, and all the other "immigrants" and say to them: I can hear the spirit of ancestors calling from the plains yonder, let's go HOME Sons of.....; what are we languishing here in the foreign land. Let's go back to our roots, and be united with the spirits of our forefathers. Our exile has been far too long."
Epilogue: what was at first a mere trickle, swelled into a mighty river, as the happy and singing throng marched south.
obuBBubo 7 months ago
@obuBBubo Lol. However, you humorist. Drop everything and go back to where there is not relative? No ties, work, friends and home in the end? If you were American, European or African prois, and the Indians would have told you: "Go away from the land of our ancestors", you'd be back in Europe or Africa? I think not. So do not talk to me about the call of ancestral spirits. You know how to laugh.
Karel69482 7 months ago
@Karel69482 You take your kith and kin, and friends with you to the land ancestors reaching into misty infinity.., and carve out a new home for yourself, look around and yell, "This is it!! Yeehaa!!"
- Indians: not the same story. American population is some 300m; size of England is 1/500th (?) of the earth; whereas, Karlian population is 3-400 thou(?), and the size of Russia 1/6th of the earth. It can be done. If Indian/American/English was the same - it SHOULD be done.
obuBBubo 7 months ago
@obuBBubo But living in America not only Americans of English descent, there live people from all over Europe, all over the world. And by the way, the population of Karelia 600-700 thousand people. Russia does not take a sixth of the Earth. 1 / 6 of the Earth held the Soviet Union. And the best part of this area is not suitable for life. Maybe your country will take 600 thousand people? And what to do with Karel, who can not live without Russia, and Russian. And there are many, I assure you.
Karel69482 7 months ago
@Karel69482 There're some 3 million Russians & their descendants in America; please don't send them to Siberia:). Exiled Karelians from Karelia numbered close to 1/2 million; yet, tiny Finland was able accommodate them; how much more the vast Russia can do the same to 6-700 thou.
Moreover, Karelians were given only hours to start moving (watch "Evakon laulu" on my channel), whilst Russian planes above were wreaking havoc amongst them. Your orderly moving will be a mere breeze in comparison.
obuBBubo 7 months ago
@obuBBubo Well, you know, no one voluntarily will be hosting a mass exodus from their homes. While in Karelia, and not the best climate...Did you know that the Red Army, which is so badly is so brutally fought with small but proud and heroic Finland, there were parts, or almost entirely composed of Karelian and Finns?During the Great Patriotic War (in Finland Jatkosota) in the 71th Division, 126 Regiment, commanded by Walter Valli.He fought against the Finnish army in Karelia
Karel69482 7 months ago
@Karel69482 Stands to show how a stupid ideology can erode true values in men and turn them into traitors to their homes, tribes, and the nation. Yet again, it could be that "machine gunners behind the attacking army is another reality" (Stalin) might've had something to do with it. Even today in Africa, young males are being kidnapped and made to fight under the threat of getting executed if they refused.
obuBBubo 6 months ago
@obuBBubo Traitors? The fact that they were defending their home, their family, their homeland - is a betrayal? Ok, I will not persuade you. I will quote only one story (it happened early in the war, an attack by the Finns of Soviet frontier post during the battle ):... half Branch senior sgt Tikiläinen Peter died, the rest were wounded. The cartridges ran out, stopped firing. And when the enemy went into the attack, raised Tikiläinen fighters in the latest attack. Killing all.
Karel69482 6 months ago
@obuBBubo Senior Sergeant of the 52nd Regiment, 71st Division, Peter Abramovich Tikiläinen was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union posthumously." It seems to me like traitors for not able to.
PS Hero of the Soviet Union - the highest Soviet award, if you do not know.
Karel69482 6 months ago
Emotive, heartbreaking, motivating, delightful... What other beautiful feature this anthem deserves to be assigned for? I'd started crying, my friends. A very, very discrete land like Karelia had made one of the best national songs not only inside Europe, but around the entire world. My applauses for Karelia.
szeamus2460 8 months ago
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Yohanesburk1 1 month ago
Fuck you russians ! Carelia will be finnish again in the future ! St Petersburg is built on the ancient finnish land.
aivopark 8 months ago 2
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Karel69482 7 months ago
@aivopark
The city of Paris was allso build on ancient Roman settlement. So Paris is now French, and not Roman anymore.
It is simple logic.
VTBbank 6 months ago
@aivopark
Really, and what are you going to do to take it back, the same as Anders Breivik? lol
Invade Russia with Finnish army? lol
You are the imperialist, not Russians, if you think like that.
My advice for you is - GET A LIFE, LOSER!
Swordman85 6 months ago
@aivopark
You don't receive St.-Petersburg never! We have beaten off fascist mongrels, and mind you we will resist especially! Don't forget Grand duchy Finnish!
HHHPPP8 5 months ago
@aivopark Asshole, shut up and suck Russian dick!
Yohanesburk1 1 month ago
@Yohanesburk1 Omnomnom.
michaelojones406 1 month ago
long live Russians and Russia the only Country that kept its colonies not like Britain or France
i am proud to be part of such a great race
HongKongKanto 9 months ago
@HongKongKanto Actually, Boris Yeltsin, the former President of Russia, accepted that SU had been culprit in starting to war unprovoked against Finland, and offered to SELL Karelia (back) to Finland. But he Finns were not interested (i agree with them - after loosing 100 000 in dead, and $300 000 000 in war "compensation" to Russia, for no fault of their own, why should they pay more for what theirs).
It only takes another Yeltsin to give a better deal; that is, return the lands for nothing.
obuBBubo 9 months ago
@obuBBubo lol if Russia doesnt give back these kuril island to japan that has gdp of 5000 billion, why they should even consider to give these land to finland, how much gdp has finland 200 dollars lol?
HongKongKanto 9 months ago
@HongKongKanto Because it's a right and honourable thing to do. Say, if i robed a bank and then later on came to my senses about what I had done; in order to restore my self-respect and re-gain my dignity, I MUST put right the wrong I've done. That is, I MUST return the money I stole to the bank, walk to authorities and hand myself in to receive a punishment the society imposes on its lawbrakers (in this case on a bank-robber).
obuBBubo 9 months ago
@HongKongKanto
LOL!
Swordman85 8 months ago
...прекрасно жили. Они воевали бок о бок во время Второй мировой войны (те. что воевали на стороне Финляндии - предатели, коих было не мало и в других странах). Разговоры о том, что русские уничтожили культуру карел - ложь. В Карелии достаточно людей, говорящих по-карельски. Отдать Финляндии всю Карелию до Белого моря - это ли не империализм?!
PS А ещё в Карелии отличная рыбалка, много грибов и ягод! ;)
Karel69482 9 months ago
@Karel69482 "Always" is stretching the truth a bit (miles). For, Novgorodians were newcomers to the region; whereas, Karelians were directly related by blood and language to other Finnic tribes that occupied the Northern Europe. Slavs and other ethnic groups to the region will always remain newcomers and occupiers as far as Karelia and Karelians are concerned.
Btw, your username is deceptive, insensitive, and most provocative. Be a good Russian instead.
obuBBubo 9 months ago
@obuBBubo Может я чех, и меня зовут Карел, вы об этом не думали? Я живу всю жизнь в Карелии и справедливо могу считать себя карелом. Во всяком случае я знаю, что карельский язык никак не связан с латышским и литовским. Далее. Если вы говорите, что славяне оккупанты, почему тогда у нас нет войны подобно тому, что на Кавказе?
Karel69482 9 months ago
@Karel69482 For starters, Stalin had 37 000 Karelians executed in in 1930's for no other reason than them being Karelians (nowadays it's called ethnic cleansing). So, there was opposition, but it was brutally suppressed by the Bolshevicks. Give them a chance, and they declare independence any day.
obuBBubo 9 months ago
@obuBBubo Вы не знаете карельских реалий. Смысл независимости Карелии? Чтоб она тут же вошла в состав Финляндии? Или превратилась в её сырьевой придаток? А что делать с остальными этническими группами, в первую очеред русскими. Русские в Карелии занимают подавляющее большинство. . И насчёт уничтоженных карелов. Известно ли вам, что убивали тогда не по национальному, а по классовому признаку? И то что руководители НКВД Карелии были в основном карелы, латыши и украинцы?
Karel69482 9 months ago
@Karel69482 What/who are the "Karels"?
obuBBubo 9 months ago
@obuBBubo Finnish people
Jaffa774 7 months ago
@Karel69482 Что / кто являются "карел"?
obuBBubo 9 months ago
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Karel69482 9 months ago
Я убедился, что подавляющее большинство не совсем понимает, что есть Карелия. Карелия - это не клочок земли в виде Карельского перешейка, это не северное Приладожье, это её части. Карелия большая. Она тянется от озера Тумчаозеро на севере до Ладожского на юге. Её берега омывает Белое море, на её территории столько же озёр, сколько и в Финляндии.
Я согласен, что территории, отошедшие СССР после 1940 года финские, но всё остальное НИКОГДА Финляндии не принадлежало. Русские с карелами всегда...
Karel69482 9 months ago
Ah, the key word is "in studying Estonian". I take you're not a native Estonian then; dare i say if you were, "Labas Rytas!" would be music in your ears with lots uncanny:) familiarities present.
obuBBubo 9 months ago
@obuBBubo Lol, nutter ;-)
whyteay 9 months ago
@whyteay "A nutter (or nut gatherer) is one who gathers nuts. It is also an offensive slang word for a mentally ill person, but also slang for someone who is fearless, tough and cruel."
Aciu. Whatever. There you go.
obuBBubo 9 months ago
My roots are from Karelia and i'm Finnish
Tiputopakka 9 months ago
"Our fate is hard, now that we are compelled to give up to an alien race, a race with a life philosophy and moral values different from ours, land which for centuries we have cultivated in sweat and labour.Yet, we must put our shoulders to the wheel, in order that we may prepare on the soil left to us a home for those rendered homeless." (Mannerheim)
Wasn't Siberia big enough? Of course it was. So why to go and cause so much suffering to so many innocent people? Two wrongs doesn't make it right.
obuBBubo 9 months ago
Karelia is Finland, let's stop this stupid russian imperialism.
reading70 9 months ago 17
@reading70 Don't get your panties in a bunch. Karelia is as likely to go back to Finland as Texas and California are to go back to Mexico. What's done is done.
Tokopol 9 months ago
@Tokopol Yes, specially beacause someone called "allies" agreed to leave the situation so.
reading70 9 months ago
@reading70 Yes, because for once, those allies weren't massive hypocrites.
They colonized and permanently claimed the Western US, Northern Ireland, and Algeria respectively -- and it probably occurred to them how hypocritical they would be if they started splitting hairs about what Russia was occupying and calling it's own. In the deep haze of your irrational Russophobia, that probably never donned on you.
Tokopol 9 months ago
@Tokopol It is not russophobia, it is just how the things went. The so called "allies" agreed for the expulsions of population, many finns, germans, jews were left on their own with new governments that wanted to delete each trace of them, disrespeting all of their rights. While you agreed the expulsions of germans, we didn't in Sud Tirol, and we avoided a tragedy of an exodus. Italy in fact of this is the best of the best. Not like the begged allies of the WW2.
reading70 9 months ago
@Tokopol That's not true. If something will return in the World, is Karelia. Finnish people have so long roots there. You should really use some time to check Russian names for those lost Finnish karelian areas. How old are Finnish and how old are Russian names. That's really the best way to check who really have right for those places. I can give you few examples: Finnish Koivisto. Russian name Primorsk was found at 1.10.1948. Finnish Taipale, Russian Solovjevo found at 14.1.1948. See?
tupakki 9 months ago
@tupakki That's romanticism. You can fantasize all you want, but it's just as likely as Rhodesians retaking Zimbabwe, Pied-Noirs retaking Algeria, or Aborigines retaking Australia. I don't hate indigenous people, but my head isn't in outer fucking space either. Lviv in Ukraine used to be called Lwow (Polish) and Limburg (German) too, but the only thing that matters in the end is who lives on the land.
Try taking it back, and you and your flimsy romantic arguments will end up in the Hague.
Tokopol 9 months ago
@Tokopol Actually it's not romanticism. If we would speak about East-Karelia, the case would be different. We are really speaking heart areas of Finland which Soviet-Russia occupied after the war, finally by Paris treaty 1947. USSR tried to erase everything which refered to previous owners. Even old cemeteries. They even incorrectly called it old Russian land. What that tells? Don't try to justify those with some other cases. It can't.
Yeah we will try to take Old Finland back. You can be sure.
tupakki 9 months ago
@tupakki Next year in Karelia!!
obuBBubo 9 months ago
@reading70 ээ.. Ваша Финляндия не подавится от столь жирного куска?
Karel69482 9 months ago
@Karel69482 Write something understandablem no one asked for this hieroglyph
reading70 9 months ago
@reading70 You know for me latin letters are the same hieroglyphs as for you - Cyrillic
Karel69482 9 months ago
@Karel69482 That would not be a problem because I can read cyrillic, but I don't know the meaning of many words. If you want to be understandable why don't you write with a conventional language like english?
reading70 9 months ago
@reading70 Understandable. I start with you just do not understand. If you understand, that translates Google translator, then so be it, move on to English.
Karel69482 9 months ago
@reading70
No, Karelia is not FInland, and it will never ever be. Karelia is Russian ethnic territory, where 76 percent of ethnic Russians live today.
VTBbank 6 months ago
@VTBbank It is not russian ethnic, Russia took it by force, lots of finns had to leave. Russia is a giant country, you don't need to hold something is not yours. Russia several times tried to re write history, but it failed.
reading70 6 months ago
@reading70
It is not important if it was Finish in the past. We live now in 21. century, and Republic of Karelia is Russian territory where mayority of ethnic Russians live today.
Finland has lost the war (Moscow peace treaty), and you Finns have to accept this fact, and move on with your life and stop dreaming.
Czechoslovakia, Poland, Slovenia, East Prussia...these were all German teritories in the past. After Germany lost the WW2, they have lost all this teritories forever.
VTBbank 6 months ago
@VTBbank Well, nothing last forever. Russia forced many innocents to leave their homes, and the simple fact that now 70 years are past is not a justification. Look at Konigsberg, filled with dirty russian that have destroyed the magnificent city. Now is a nightmare, it would be a dream to see the german come back, Russia showed that is not able to administrate positively any lands. And you are guilty exactly as Germany because you signed the Molotov Ribbentrop pact. No mercy for Russia.
reading70 6 months ago
@reading70
Modern day Kaliningrad (former Konigsberg) is one of the most developing and growing economic region of Russia. Kaliningrad has the highest GDP growght within entire Baltic region (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania). Kaliningrad has moore industry and foreighn investments than Poland. German BMW and Daimler AG have the buigest automobile factories in eastern Europe located in Kaliningrad. The town of Kaliningrad has one of the most beautufull historic places in entire Baltic !
VTBbank 6 months ago
@VTBbank
That's interesting, I did not know about it. I once met a girl from Kaliningrad. We were friendly, but one day she suddendly stopped to reply me and deleted her profile from Livemocha. I dunno why, maybe because she discovered that I am communist.
Swordman85 6 months ago
@reading70
Kaliningrad will soone become baltic Hong-Kong.
VTBbank 6 months ago
@reading70
No mercy right !
I would kill you and fuck your mother in anus and kill her for fun and for free !
VTBbank 6 months ago
@VTBbank Ahah...typical russian, you can't even keep a normal conversation, I'm not going to keep a conversation with someone like you.
reading70 6 months ago
@VTBbank "Finland has lost the war (Moscow peace treaty), and you Finns have to accept this fact, and move on with your life and stop dreaming."
Wow! 150 million plus vs. 3 million..... Lost?! Hardly so. If a 10 yr boy, having been attacked by a 200kg, still stands in the end; it cannot possibly be termed as a "lost". Finland lost a part of Karelia to Russians who ILLEGALLY and UNPROVOKED attacked the country.
JUSTICE of the Baltics must be applied to Karelia.
Sooner rather than later.
obuBBubo 6 months ago
@VTBbank "Czechoslovakia, Poland, Slovenia, East Prussia...these were all German teritories in the past. After Germany lost the WW2, they have lost all this teritories forever."
Looks like this is your "proof text" why it should be same with Finland. But it's WRONG!! Germany (like Russia) invaded sovereign countries of Europe as per the pact.
Now, if the reasoning is: guilty lose territories; it follows then that Karelia should be returned to Finns and Leningrad or something added to them.
obuBBubo 6 months ago
@reading70
Karelia is not Finland, fool. If you open the Google Earth or any ordinary world map you will realize that it's located in Russia.
I bet you are American to be so ignorant about geography.
GET A LIFE, LOSER!
Swordman85 6 months ago
@Swordman85 Lol, here in Italy we would call you "Capitan ovvio". Open Google translate. Do a thing, think about your country and don't sick us.
ps: give back Cesare Battisti you bananas republic.
reading70 6 months ago
@reading70
Capitan ovvio? Really? Oh, I am so sad... lol. What a marvelous argument you have. Did they teach you in Italy about something called "ad hominem"? It's not Italian, it's Latin, it's exactly what you do, insult, instead of bringing rational arguments. I'm sad to inform you, but it has no rational value. Your arguments have the deepness of a 5 years old kid.
Cesare Battisti is a hero, he killed a fascist, as V. Zaytsev. Thanks to him, the "Italian Breivik" never existed.
Swordman85 6 months ago
@reading70
PS: Give back Salvatore Cacciola, a banker who robbed millions in this country and is now protected by Italian government.
PS2: This "Banana's Republic" humiliated Italy in WWII, an ally of Axis. I bet you are just another poor and ridiculous "hooligan wannabe", who has no money to travel to another countries. Your Euros are welcome here.
GET A LIFE, LOSER! And stop russophoby!
Swordman85 6 months ago
@reading70
Un presente para l'italiano:
Kazaki x Italliani: watch?v=yYSOC-mUjWc
Brasiliani x Italiani: watch?v=2BI-7VmqsaY
Enjoy the videos, SPORCO FASCISTA!
Swordman85 6 months ago
@Swordman85 XD You think I could be offended by somthing made not by me? XD You think I could care if your country entered or less the war? Here we are talking about how Ussr stole lands from Finland, forcing the population to leave everything, and this for the guilts of governments (here happened the same with Istria). Now, you have two choices, you can continue to sick us with your silly comments, or you can leave us to talk about history.
reading70 6 months ago
@reading70
USSR never stole lands from Finland. Finland itself was part of Russia. Before the WWII, Russia needed lands from Finland to prepare the defense of Leningrad, considered the "Northern capital". Since Finland refused, they started provocations that resulted at war, leading to the anexation of Karelia. Today it's part of Russian and most of it's inhabitants consider themselves Russians, even those with Finnish last names like "Hakkaraynen", "Pumalaynen", I have friends from Karelia.
Swordman85 6 months ago
@Swordman85 But of course, they stole Finnish lands from Swedes, who had stolen them from Finnish tribes earlier. FACT. Secondly, Leningrad or no Leningrad; Finland was a SOVEREIGN nation with all the rights over its own lands; whereas, SU had NO RIGHTS to make a demand for any part of it therein. Thirdly, shelling in Mainila was done by Soviets themselves; the FACT, they admitted after 1990. Fourthly, they are Russians, because the Finns were ILLEGALLY forced from their homes.
obuBBubo 6 months ago
@Swordman85 The names are Hakkarainen and Puumalainen. I am a fin and I know. By the way there are hundreds of Karelians who would consider themselves as Fins and would like to join the republic of Finland because
the Russians cannot provide them for example heating in the cold winter time.
1Pooppo1 5 months ago
@Swordman85
Finland was not a Russian province, it was autonomic part of Sweden. In year 1809 Russia took Finland from Sweden. The reason why the Winter War were fought was a pact between III Reich and Soviet Union. I'm from Baltic States and i know history, not sovietic but the REAL history.
kolywan1154 5 months ago
@kolywan1154
You mean that you know the history that you learned at Finnish school books, which is not necessarely the "real history". History is told according to the interest of rulling classes of this or that country.
If in 1809 "Russia took Finland from Sweden", you are recognizing that Finland was not a separated country.
Swordman85 5 months ago
@Swordman85
If You say that history is told according to the interest of rulling classes of this or that country, then so was things with history in USSR and so they are in Russia today.
kolywan1154 5 months ago
@kolywan1154
The reason why Winter War started was that USSR needed to protect it's Northren border and Mannerheim refused to aid them, despite USSR offered part of its territory in exchange.
History proofed that Soviets did it right, since they could delay the advance of Nazi troops towards Leningrad, which made it's defense possible.
Thanks to the Soviets, the Nazi Germany was defeated and nazism ceased to exist as a political regime, the whole world is in debt with USSR.
Swordman85 5 months ago
@Swordman85
Soviet Union was the biggiest state in the world and it had a huge army. Finland had only more than 100 000 man. Then why USSR needed Karelia? Becouse of pretecton of Peterburg. It is nonsense. Who would attack USSR from north? Nobody. This was only Stalins fantasy, as all this GULAG system. And actually Soviet Union did not defeted nazism alone, it was made with USA aid of wepons, food ect. So nobody is in debt.
kolywan1154 5 months ago
@kolywan1154 Stupid yenki
SKITNICA95 4 months ago
@SKITNICA95
Why so? Actually i'm not yenki. I'm from little but proud state. It has suffered under USSR und Nazi occupation. So, i know how are things wiht WWII history.
kolywan1154 4 months ago
@kolywan1154
Or do you sincerelly believe that Finland would be able to stop the Nazi war machine? Perhaps it would to stop it in Finland alone, but certainly not able to reach Berlim and plant a flag over the Reichstag, hence destroying the nazi menace.
This is not "Soviet history", this is the history learned in any part of the globe, these are facts!
Swordman85 5 months ago
@Swordman85
Any part of the word? Maybe the Russian part of the world? It is very likely so. Becouse in Western part of the World people learn different history. There thet learn that USSR ocupaided Baltic States, Karelia, Poland, allmoast half of Germany and many odher countries in Balcans and in Central Europe. And aslo USSR killed more than 100 million people during occupatsion. Even Russian writers write about what USSR did during IIWW and after that. The best is Aleksandr Solženitsõn.
kolywan1154 5 months ago
@reading70
If Finland exists as an independent political entity today, it's thanks to Lenin, because before him, Finland was no more than a Swedish or Russian province. Some Russians even hate Lenin for giving up old provinces of Russian Empire.
So, there is no debt at all. I really doubt that Finnish government has interest in Karelia, except for a few ultra-nationalist fanatics.
Swordman85 6 months ago
@Swordman85 In fact it is not so, and you should read some history book before to say that this is just a nationalist issue, what would you say if I would force you to leave your land, your friends, your job and so on. This is exactly what was done by Russia (Ussr back then), they took lands composed of different ethnic groups, and tried to delay all the previous traces of people living there, so you couldn't anymore speak your language, express your opinion and so on.
reading70 6 months ago
Greetings from Hungary. Karelia must return to Finland!
daixiunguo 10 months ago
Are the micronations? or part of other countries?
meatisdeliciouse 10 months ago
National anthem of Karelia should be singed by Karelian language. Doesn't Karelians have any pride under Russia? Your culture is dying for reasons like this.
tupakki 11 months ago
if you are all relatives... keep in touch, develop good relationship between countries... border should not be between you! be closer!
vadbav 11 months ago
I long back Karelia, but I come to learn that I'm in a minority. And I guess it's true and I guess it's already too late, but I've felt a really strong sense of responsibility towards the people that stayed there. My family was Karelian until the war. Finland was a much better place than the Soviet Union. There probably were and are people living there in bad conditions, people that I would maybe now know if the war would have never happened. It's funny, but I feel really guilty about it.
JX46 11 months ago
@FethShup
As for iffy, how do you figure? Look what happened when people attempted to go own way against the Soviets' wishes: Hungary in 1956 and Prague in 1968. Prague is a great example, because those were reforms, not a total 180° change. They didn't even reject or attempt to break with the Soviet Union, and yet look at the reaction.
JonnyLightning 1 year ago
@JonnyLightning That's because they attempted to leave the Warsaw Pact/side with Tito. Kadar's reforms would normally have gone against Soviet wishes, but since he was to remain in the Warsaw Pact, the Soviets allowed it. Zhivkov was inspiring through his daughter old nationalism in Bulgaria, bringing monarchist images. The Soviets allowed it. Dubcek attempted to leave the Warsaw pact and the second wave of the Hungarian revolution was fascist.
FethShup 1 year ago
KARELIA IS FINLAND
PETSAMO IS FINLAND
GIEF BACK KARELIA
GIBE BACK PETSAMO
RUSSIA IS GOOD
GIBE VODKA AND LAND
z3Ndix 1 year ago
@z3Ndix KARELIA IS FINLAND
PETSAMO IS FINLAND
GIEF BACK KARELIA
GIBE BACK PETSAMO
Well-spoken (and pertinent to the topic at hand).
obuBBubo 1 year ago
@z3Ndix and salla. salla is finland too.
Peppepoppldoppl 11 months ago 2
Кстати, Финляндия или Finland - это европейское название страны, а самоназвание - Suomi, что приблизительно значит (да простят меня финны, если неправильно) "Страна озёр и болот". А насчёт славянской колонизации я действительно был не прав, признаю. Она началась в XI веке. Не верите, спросите в Google.
Karel69482 1 year ago
@Karel69482 "let them try to take it away", and "we stand for our land"
Say that to those who were forced out of their homes, forced from their Karelia, to die in exile away from home. Say to them "come and try to take away OUR land".
Now, is it your land? No. A stolen horse NEVER belongs to a horsethief or to his descendants. You can re-name it, you can call it yours, but it will NEVER be yours. The air you breath, the scenery you see, the ground you stand on will NEVER be yours. You stole it.
obuBBubo 1 year ago 15
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@obuBBubo
"Now, is it your land? No. A stolen horse NEVER belongs to a horsethief or to his descendants. You can re-name it, you can call it yours, but it will NEVER be yours. The air you breath, the scenery you see, the ground you stand on will NEVER be yours. You stole it."
A greater truism was never spoken; a shame the Russians refuse to acknowledge its truth.
JonnyLightning 1 year ago
@Karel69482 As to "complaints", they don't enter into consideration in the light of the 100 000 Finns killed in wars nobody wanted. If yous stayed in your own land, there were no killings, no camps, no nothing. But no; just had to come and CAUSE so much misery and suffering to so many. And force 1/2 million people out of their homes to die heart-broken in exile.
You call it "our anthem", and of the land "it had always been, and will be Russian", and "if someone does not think so"
obuBBubo 1 year ago
@obuBBubo Послушайте, вы знаете хоть одного карела? Вы говорили с ним на эти темы? Я говорю, что это наш гимн потому что я родился и живу в Карелии, мои родители в ней родились. У меня здесь друзья и родственники и поэтому я считаю эту землю своей, своей Родиной. Как вы свою. Почему финны в 1941 году пошли в Восточную Карелию? Она никогда не была финской.
Karel69482 1 year ago
Вы знаете, мой прадед участвовал в Зимней войне, то есть получается он оккупант, он убийца? А вы знаете, что в годы оккупации советской Карелии финские оккупанты уничтожили в несколько раз больше человек, чем погибло в годы Зимней войны? Что в финских концлагерях содержание заключённых было хуже, чем немецких? А вы знаете, что в партизанском движении принимали участие и карелы, и вепсы, как ни странно, финны?
Karel69482 1 year ago
То, что национальная культура Карелии умирает виноваты не русские (делать нам больше нечего, кроме как уничтожать карельскую культуру), а республиканская власть, выделяющая на неё сущие гроши. Ведь в Коми, в Удмуртии, в Марий Эл жива национальная культура. Неправильно во всём винить русских, мы ведь не виним американцев за уничтожение индейцев.
Karel69482 1 year ago
@Karel69482 But of course Russians (Soviets) are to be blamed for the demise. The unprovoked and illegal invasion of Finnish territories in 1939, and 1944 by Soviet Union forced nearly 1/2 million Karelians from their homes and lands.
Justice would demand that Stalin be hanged posthumously, and the illegally occupied lands of Karelia be returned to their legitimate owners the Finns.
Btw, the WORLD recognised SU's invasion as illegal, and kicked SU out from the League of Nations.
obuBBubo 1 year ago
@Karel69482 you are probably hired to spew out propaganda and bullshit.
russia could never have grown to such a huge continent if they did not steal land.
you talk about the slavic people? russians are too mixed to be called true slavic people on the contrary.
slavic people never naturally existed in places as far north as finland or karelia you idiotic moron.
not from a start. they have only by time moved upwards. stealing land and living backwards. your russia is a shithole.
Peppepoppldoppl 11 months ago
@Peppepoppldoppl Ох какой ты дерзкий) Ты хоть что-нибудь знаешь о Карелии, а? Я живу в Карелии в третьем поколении (кстати, как ты правильно сказал, чистых русских почти не осталось. Я на 1/4 коми (финно-угорский народ)) и представь, не один мой знакомый карел не считает, что я оккупант, что я пришлый. Нет, правда, ты меня насмешил)) И сам ты идиотский идиот.
Karel69482 11 months ago
@Karel69482 the only problem is that no karelians live in russia anymore
Peppepoppldoppl 11 months ago
@Peppepoppldoppl Уверен?
Karel69482 11 months ago
@Karel69482 sure as butter.
Peppepoppldoppl 11 months ago
@Peppepoppldoppl Тогда приезжайте, пожалуйста в Карелию, и агетируйте среди населения о присоединении к Финляндии. И ждите, пока вам, извините, не набили морду.
Karel69482 11 months ago
@Karel69482 you prove your argument to be suitable to turn against you.
you come up with such idiotic lines like "baaaabooooo russia has existed there all the time get out ghhghhghg"
karelia is not russian. its like saying italy is papua new guinea.
Peppepoppldoppl 11 months ago
Значит, давайте разберёмся. Может это уже кто-то говорил. Непосредственно финской Карелия была в районе Лахденпохьи, Сортавалы, Питкяранты, часть Суоярвского и Пряженского районов, а также некоторые территории на севере Карелии. Восточнее были всегда русские территории! Ещё с X века, со времён славянской колонизации. Хотите сказать, что русские недавно появились здесь? Они появились здесь, когда ещё не существовало даже русского народа!
Karel69482 1 year ago
@Karel69482 Nah. The region was called "The land of Finns" around X century. And even if true (which it isn't), the X century is mere nubie compared to Finnish settlements in the area. Finns, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians date way way back from X date.
You can argue your case by conquests, but NOT by history (unless you twist it).
obuBBubo 1 year ago
Yeah, long before Russians and Swedes entered Karelia, Karelians were singing songs of Kalevala with a great enthusiasm. Singing them not in Russian, nor in Swedish, but in Karelian - a dialect very close to Finnish and Estonian languages, and related to Latvian, Lithuanian, and Hungerian.
Moreover, when they were singing, the blood pumping through their veins was neither Russian nor Swedish, but Finnish blood. And the genes of the singers were from the same pool as those of Finns. So there.
obuBBubo 1 year ago 12
@obuBBubo Related to Finnish and Estonian maybe, but definitely NOT to Latvian and Lithuanian, which are in the Balto-Slavic group. And to Hungarian very, very distantly, and even that's open to question.
whyteay 9 months ago