first of all a the stopped make the real SHO in 95, so those "SHOs" you raced that were a '97 and '96 were nothing like this car.
The supercharged 3800 wasn't in the GTP was actually designed to compete with the SHO cuz the NA 3800 couldn't hold it's own against it. And the GTP with this SC 3800 wasn't made untill 1997 and they stopped making the true SHO in 1995.
The Yamaha 24v DOHC 3.0L V6 in the SHO and the SC 3.8L V6 couldn't be more different; GTP pure low end, SHO pure top end.
@tc220485 Can't agree with you more. I've had both a '91 SHO and a 99 GTP. My GTP would eat my SHO up until about 100, but the SHO would pull ahead. I also have far steeper gears in my GTP. I can take a corvette in the quarter, but it will still outrun me.
I raced a 1996 SHO with a 2000 pontiac GP SE version we were neck to neck. Im not understanding why he beat you so bad. The guy I raced even had a cold air and an performance exaughst. I think it's just OE.
@bigbubba357m the reason why u were so close is cuz the 96 SHOs are way slower then the 89-95 SHO. Ford pretty much messed up a good thing there when they switched around the motor setup and made them all autos.
Im very interested in this race. It seems like these 2 cars were at the top of the food chain in the FWD 90's family sedan straight line power class. With the fastest available SHO of those years stock going up against the fastest Grand Prix GT of those years, who would come out on top?
Grand Prix GT isn't a match for a SHO in any way shape or forum, GTP's and SHO's were competiton. I mean look, this SHO launched horribly and look how fast he walks past the GT.
GTP is a better launching car, SHO's have bad traction issues. I've had 4 SHO's and I still have 2 of those, I also have a 99 Grand Prix GTX (its modded a lot though). On the freeway stock for stock, a SHO will still walk a GTP, 3800's don't have much up top.
@MrMercLover Yeah, I wasn't really interested in the Grand Prix anymore, because I learned that it's not the GTP. My original question should have been GTP vs SHO. Another good competitor against the SHO is the 92' Maxima 5spd with the chain driven DOHC motor(VE30DE). I use to own it, and the newer Maxima's had trouble with me on the highway. Even my friends 06' BMW 330i could not pass me up top.
The gen 3 was actually the slowest SHO, given its heavy weight and auto-only transmission (which was geared for comfort and cruise, rather then speed)
If you're referring to the new 2010 SHO, yes, it would murder a gen 1, pretty much because it has 2 t15 turbos which help the engine put out, what, 365 hp
In reference to the 3 PREVIOUS generations, which I was referring to in the first place, I still stand by my comment that the gen 1 will always be the #1
@MrMercLover Actually if you want to get technical, the Ecoboost SHO is a Gen IV. They made some changes from 92-93 in the body, as well as the performance. The Ecoboost SHO is also, well... boosted lol. Take those turbos out of the picture and the Gen I will still be the fastest.
great points for sure about ATX's and MTX's and weight and stuff. The sticks are definitely funner and a little quicker to 60 that an auto, but as an owner of a 94 auto with a mild tranny touch-up (shift kit, 2800 stall tq converter) and a 92 mtx (216k miles!) I would say they are the same machines when you put the pedal down haha. especially to 100 and beyond.
I assume the SHO was a auto since the driver was holding a camera! So a MTX is much faster and if it was a gen1( it isnt) it would have been faster as well due to another 150 lbs less.
u wish
imserious2187 4 months ago
dusted
applecrisp2 7 months ago
God I love the sound of sho secondaries..everytime i hit 4000 rpm in my 95 i just love it :-)
jerseyman1000 11 months ago
Nice vid...SHO for life...
okmotherfucker 11 months ago
like i said.
footballplaya3k 1 year ago
no gp weighs 3300 stock. other than that i agree with what you've said
footballplaya3k 1 year ago
A 97-03 GTP coupe is 3450-3500 and a Gen 2 (92-95) Automatic SHO is also 3450-3500. Manual gen2 SHOs are 100-150 lbs lighter....
tc220485 1 year ago
And even though a 96-99 SHO was way slower than a 92-95 SHO i stall can not see a 235hp car not beating a 160hp car of somewhat similar weight.
GTP vs gen 2 SHO race would go like this:
1/8 mile GTP is out in front
1/4 mile SHO has almost caught up or has caught up
3/8 mile SHO out in front
1/2 mile the GTP is just a tiny spec in the SHO rear-view mirror
the SHO is a better track car cuz it has a very flat torque and a long power bandat high rpms. GTP better drag with 280ft-lbs@3600rpm
tc220485 1 year ago
first of all a the stopped make the real SHO in 95, so those "SHOs" you raced that were a '97 and '96 were nothing like this car.
The supercharged 3800 wasn't in the GTP was actually designed to compete with the SHO cuz the NA 3800 couldn't hold it's own against it. And the GTP with this SC 3800 wasn't made untill 1997 and they stopped making the true SHO in 1995.
The Yamaha 24v DOHC 3.0L V6 in the SHO and the SC 3.8L V6 couldn't be more different; GTP pure low end, SHO pure top end.
tc220485 1 year ago 4
@tc220485 Can't agree with you more. I've had both a '91 SHO and a 99 GTP. My GTP would eat my SHO up until about 100, but the SHO would pull ahead. I also have far steeper gears in my GTP. I can take a corvette in the quarter, but it will still outrun me.
vbpeepee 10 months ago
I raced a 1996 SHO with a 2000 pontiac GP SE version we were neck to neck. Im not understanding why he beat you so bad. The guy I raced even had a cold air and an performance exaughst. I think it's just OE.
bigbubba357m 1 year ago
@bigbubba357m the reason why u were so close is cuz the 96 SHOs are way slower then the 89-95 SHO. Ford pretty much messed up a good thing there when they switched around the motor setup and made them all autos.
MiniIsle 10 months ago
i killed a 97 sho wit my 2000 grand prix gt
SuperKazra 1 year ago
Get a GTP in there and see who wins!
Motorfordtoyota 1 year ago
You need to upgrade to the gtp and also your camera then you wont have any problems
Blazinjayson 1 year ago
auto vs auto
thecrew2999 1 year ago
@QUIETBOY267 That it would matter if it was a GTP dumb shit
footballplaya3k 1 year ago
The SHO in the vidoe was actually bought for $800 and had a bad tranny, yet still preformed like it did
tc220485 1 year ago
@tc220485 thats cause all sho's have bad tranies
ltethan649 1 year ago
gtp vs sho is the race to see
imserious2187 1 year ago
nice race i wanrt to run a sho in my gp gt its modded its runs with my buddies ss/sc cobalt.
262Blazer 1 year ago
@262Blazer Unless its cammed, boosted or spraying I call bullshit.
footballplaya3k 1 year ago
the other guy was holding a camera lol
racingisfun 1 year ago
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MrMercLover 1 year ago
lol what do the sho's have?
anarchistbot 1 year ago
@anarchistbot Either a 3.0L Yamaha V6 mated to a 5 speed manual, or a 3.2L V6 mated to a 4spd auto.
bcuzofview 1 year ago
Lol, drinking a coffee as he passes him.
joe2go16 1 year ago
thats just a regular 3.8 grand prix GT no supercharger
dustyroad420 2 years ago
@dustyroad420 it wouldn't matter even if it was supercharged
QUIETBOY267 1 year ago
@QUIETBOY267 Your an idiot. Of course there would be a difference. Go back to school.
MrMercLover 1 year ago
@MrMercLover get off my dick you homo! it wouldn't matter if it was a GTP ...the SHO a still merk out on it!!! so STFU!!!! bitch ass
QUIETBOY267 1 year ago
Im very interested in this race. It seems like these 2 cars were at the top of the food chain in the FWD 90's family sedan straight line power class. With the fastest available SHO of those years stock going up against the fastest Grand Prix GT of those years, who would come out on top?
CrashBandikoot7 2 years ago
Grand Prix GT isn't a match for a SHO in any way shape or forum, GTP's and SHO's were competiton. I mean look, this SHO launched horribly and look how fast he walks past the GT.
1Kurgan1 2 years ago
Wait, the Gran Prix GT isn't the GTP? Then I meant the GTP if so.. Stock numbers show the GTP is a little faster.
CrashBandikoot7 2 years ago
GTP is a better launching car, SHO's have bad traction issues. I've had 4 SHO's and I still have 2 of those, I also have a 99 Grand Prix GTX (its modded a lot though). On the freeway stock for stock, a SHO will still walk a GTP, 3800's don't have much up top.
1Kurgan1 2 years ago 2
The fastest SHO's were def the gen 1's, which would dominate the gt's and s/c gtp's
havinthangs55 2 years ago
Why is that? Because they came with the 5spd? Or better gearing? Lighter weight?
CrashBandikoot7 2 years ago
yep, all of the above
the gtp (giving its higher torque rating) would be quicker out of a dig, but SHO would catch up and roll on it in the higher rpm ranges
havinthangs55 2 years ago
hm sweet, good to know
CrashBandikoot7 2 years ago
@CrashBandikoot7 Lighter weight and the 5spd. The grand prix is almost 1000lbs heavier than the taurus too.
MrMercLover 1 year ago
@MrMercLover Yeah, I wasn't really interested in the Grand Prix anymore, because I learned that it's not the GTP. My original question should have been GTP vs SHO. Another good competitor against the SHO is the 92' Maxima 5spd with the chain driven DOHC motor(VE30DE). I use to own it, and the newer Maxima's had trouble with me on the highway. Even my friends 06' BMW 330i could not pass me up top.
CrashBandikoot7 1 year ago
@MrMercLover actually the weights of the 97-03 GP are pretty close to that of a gen 2 SHO both being 3300-3500lbs
tc220485 1 year ago
@havinthangs55 Wrong! The 2nd fastest. The latest gen 3 SHO will kill the gen 1 SHO. The funniest part is the V8 SHO is the slowest. Hahaha.
MrMercLover 1 year ago 2
@MrMercLover
Uhhh???
The gen 3 was actually the slowest SHO, given its heavy weight and auto-only transmission (which was geared for comfort and cruise, rather then speed)
If you're referring to the new 2010 SHO, yes, it would murder a gen 1, pretty much because it has 2 t15 turbos which help the engine put out, what, 365 hp
In reference to the 3 PREVIOUS generations, which I was referring to in the first place, I still stand by my comment that the gen 1 will always be the #1
havinthangs55 1 year ago
@MrMercLover Actually if you want to get technical, the Ecoboost SHO is a Gen IV. They made some changes from 92-93 in the body, as well as the performance. The Ecoboost SHO is also, well... boosted lol. Take those turbos out of the picture and the Gen I will still be the fastest.
SickG6 4 months ago
The SHO would come out on top anyday anytime.
TVdinnerFTW 2 years ago
hey can i finish u off wit my SHO? hahaha!!!!
QUIETBOY267 2 years ago
great points for sure about ATX's and MTX's and weight and stuff. The sticks are definitely funner and a little quicker to 60 that an auto, but as an owner of a 94 auto with a mild tranny touch-up (shift kit, 2800 stall tq converter) and a 92 mtx (216k miles!) I would say they are the same machines when you put the pedal down haha. especially to 100 and beyond.
dan8852 2 years ago
those SHO's were the shit back in there day and they will still give newer cars a good run for there money.
workensmart 2 years ago
Since I've had my SHO I've kept up with V8 aurora's. They're no joke.
thasssbruuutal 2 years ago
yea I bet I've seen a couple of them go. the auto's are kind of slow.
workensmart 2 years ago
hell yea! SHO's are so under rated by most people. its awesome when people with nice ass cars realize they just got beat by a taurus lol.
zac41189 2 years ago
Agreed, it wasn't a rocket, by any means, but it was a 4 door family sedan that could put up a fight!
lopdebif 2 years ago
sorry, i own a 92 sho and about 95% of people i race get fuckin spanked
scottwenker 2 years ago
ha what was that like 20 car lengths?
zo0yoRk69 2 years ago
hahahahah the driver of the sho holding the camera while passing him was dope lol
smotpoker15 2 years ago
yeah, even 4-speed autos are the shit.
sicmicksic69 2 years ago
I assume the SHO was a auto since the driver was holding a camera! So a MTX is much faster and if it was a gen1( it isnt) it would have been faster as well due to another 150 lbs less.
JoZuko 2 years ago
I guess u made dis video cuz u thought u was gonna film yourself beating a SHO??? lol sorry man
QUIETBOY267 2 years ago
The auto SHO could pull like that on a GT? Dang...
BJtheBassist 2 years ago
That's why the SHO was a one of a kind vehicle back in the day.
mmz77 2 years ago
haha owned!
bcuzofview 2 years ago
easy lol
413murdermass 3 years ago