Proposition 8: I DO — Change

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homofobic

[chachapc007]

Prejudice is not the same as Miscreant ...!

Who do You Want Guard Your Little "Lambs" a Wolf or the Shepard...?

[MomntrySilence]

fuck you. you really think people should destroy the lives of others to try to retaliate what the judges did? (their job by the way, that why we have them). your a MORON.

[Kiernan530]

Ok calm down there. If we're allowed to have our opinion that same-sex marriage should be legal, they can have their opinion that it shouldn't. If you get mad like that, you only crystalize their idea of marraige being only between heterosexual couples. That makes the fight for same-sex marrige look bad, and will do nothing to help it succeed. Be polite and respectful with your opposition. That will open up same-sex marrige opposers to doing what is right.

[MomntrySilence]

the problem is im dealing with IDIOTS. close minded- biased IDIOTS. they will not change, they may never change. So rather than convice the public that they are wrong, we need to focus our efforts on the Judges and people that matter.

[starryeyedbeautypie]

i do believe that the supreme court should protect the rights of minorities by the majority vote.

[starryeyedbeautypie]

did you know that california supreme judges also overturned a ban on interracial couples getting married? thats just horrible, isnt it? (note the sarcasm)

'In 1948, in the case Perez v. Sharp[1], also known as Perez v. Lippold and Perez v. Moroney, the Supreme Court of California recognized that interracial bans on marriage violated the Fourteenth Amendment of the Federal Constitution.'

its all about rights.

[prop8protectskids]

I know it is the parents God-given right to tell their children what to believe and no one else. Our impressionable young kids shouldn't be taught that there is no difference between marrying a woman or a man.

And what about friendship? Right now, the media tells everyone that sex=love. If homosexuality is utterly and unquestionably accepted as normal, than even groups of girls will be confused with eachother and guys together won't know how to be caring people unless it involved sex.

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@prop8protectskids READ about what homosexuality IS after speak such BULLSHIT

[toastershock]

PROP 8 WON.

You people can still be married, so don't throw another tantrum, the people have spoken once again. Marriage is between a man and a woman! Get over it. Grow up and accept your defeat.

[NOtoPROP8]

In 2003, 75% of the American public approved of the invasion of Iraq. Now, 55% disapprove of the invasion of Iraq. Who is right? The American public of 2003 or the American public of 2008? Majorities don't make things right or wrong.

There is no procreation requirement for marriage. Prisoners, the elderly, and infertile people can get married. Around 50% of all marriages in the US involve NO children.

=====*****===== VOTE NO on PROP 8 =====*****=====

[mantrice]

So what you voted before...we vote all the time on issues. No on 8

[prossii]

What ever your position, that was definately a cool video.

[savagdog1]

If you believe in all that you claim, then you must agree with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You must believe the law recognizes no one differently under the law. You are a hypocrite and to change the state constitution to perpetrate your hatred, and don't pretend that's not what 8 is, is unspeakably evil. This isn't an issue of political correctness, this is an issue of right and fair. This is probably why YO8 is lying like mad and exploiting ignorant fears to get support.

[donaldson2000]

Upholding the constitution by declaring that all citizens have equal protection under the law does undermine the constitution. 4.6 million Californians did not have the right to vote on civil rights in the first place.

[kittyiswhoiam]

yes the people cannot have the power to rule their government(sarcasm) isn't this a democracy? wher THE PEOPLE have the power

[CaseyGoodDog]

You can believe what you want to.  You can even speak your mind about it - what you can't do is deny rights to any minority group because of what you believe.

[brantheman216]

A majority agreement on something doesn't make it correct and it doesn't make it right. You can view marriage as however you want, but in the United States it is nothing more than a LEGAL CONTRACT. Allowing same-sex couples to marry has no effect on you and has no effect on any religion. No church or person is required to endorse same-sex marriages. Values and morality are in the eyes of the beholder, and believe it or not, the "majority" is completely blind to the constitution.

[gingerandale]

It's not about "correct." It's about DEMOCRACY. We voted on this already. We shouldn't have to do it again.

[brantheman216]

So what you are saying is that discriminating against someone and taking away their rights is justified as long as enough people participate? Wow, how American of you!

[CaseyGoodDog]

Nothing changes for the majority -- the minority gets equal rights.

Someone needs to go back and take a government class.

[CaseyGoodDog]

We send our soldiers into other countries everyday to defend the rights of minorities and spread democracy - not to allow oppressive majorities to silence or eliminate minorities. That is the purest of all democracies-to defend and protect the right of the minority.

If the Civil Rights Act had been put to a vote of the people it would not have passed - It's unAmerican for the majority to decide rights of the minority.

[phyljalop]

Nobody is eliminating anyone. We just don't want the minority redefining marriage for the majority. The democracy has already spoken and the minority is not tolerant of that.

Nobody's rights are under attack.

[jwwindsor]

The mormon trash are out again.

[yesonproposition8]

classy, real classy.

At first I was in the fence over Prop 8, then I saw the hate on the NO side, signed up on You Tube with YesOnProposition8 to speak out against all the vile assaults against the YES side.

I have not heard of one NO sign being taken, not one NO car being egged, not one NO house being spray painted, not one NO home having an SUV parked outside with the term bigot on it pointing to the home.

Who is full of hate? The NO side.

I have the freedom to VOTE and will VOTE YES ON 8!

[jwwindsor]

You think people are going to sit around while hate filled bigots like you take away the right to love and marry from others.

And you think we should still pay taxes to educate your brats.

You're a sicko.

And yes we will steal your stupid ignornant neo-nazi signs, because they are ugly and racist and Hitler is dead.

[jwwindsor]

You were on the fence over Prop 8?

Who are you kidding. You're a liar.

You're nothing but a nazi.

[CarolAckerman1]

BTW, loved the music! Excellent choice. Very catchy. Who's the recording artist? Title?

[HarvsWorld]

The music is original

[CarolAckerman1]

LOVED THIS VIDEO!!! So right. The rights of the majority are under attack by a intolerant, often militant, minority. That's not Democracy. I believe that's an Autocracy.

[HarvsWorld]

There is a known spelling error for the word Amendment.

I apologize for the error. Only deleting the video can resolve this, as far as I know, and I do not want to crush the free exchange of ideas that has already been posted. This missed proof-reading several times. Oops.

-theHarv

[amberdahn]

I love the graphics AND the message.

GREAT JOB! It's true. There are boundaries in life. You're right. The line does need to be drawn somewhere, not everywhere. YES on 8.

[phyljalop]

To sammyseattle,

Most of us face discrimination of one sort or another.

Those of us that feel marriage between a man and a women is right may get our rights taken away. In Boston, Mass. same-sex marriage is legal and a parent CANNOT opt there child out of a class when it is discussioned.

Whose rights are being taken away?

YES on 8

[cryan71]

California is not Massachussets

[phyljalop]

to cryan,

If we don't pass Prop8 it will be like Mass.

[cryan71]

Let's see -- California has laws on the books protecting parents rights in education. Mass did not.

Mass has one of the lowest divorce rates in the nation. Well, that's a benefit of gay marriage since it did not devalue marriage as Prop 8 supporters claim.

Since marriage isn't taught in schools, there is no worry about children being exposed to gay marriage. In fact, one could make the case that using children in Yes on Prop 8 rallies already exposes children to gay marriage.

[phyljalop]

The law will be overrided if Prop 8 doesn't pass just like Mass.

The children at the rallies are being taught by their parents that sometimes you have to get out there for a worthy cause and let your voice be heard.

[cryan71]

"The law will be overrided if Prop 8 doesn't pass just like Mass."

No it won't. Mass never had a parental rights law. Why are you continue to lie about this?

"The children at the rallies are being taught by their parents"

And yet they are being exposed to gay marriage. Isn't that your worry that they will be taught about gay marriage? If you are actually parenting your children, then you have nothing to worry about.

[phyljalop]

I think you are the liar.

And sadly we have to expose our children to the whole gay marriage thing.

[cryan71]

Sad that mormons have to force their religion on California.

[phyljalop]

Prop 8 isn't a Mormon thing. I personally know hundreds of thousands of christians who are planting a Yes on Prop 8 sign on their lawn. Mormons are just better at organizing this kind of thing.  Nobody is being forced.

[cryan71]

"Prop 8 isn't a Mormon thing. "

And yet they are providing 70 percent of funding and according to a leaked document on wikileaks, they are providing most of the foot labor. They have been phone banking from Utah and Idaho Californian voters.

There's already one instance of them trying to excommunicate a member for organizing a No on Prop 8 movement among mormons.

[phyljalop]

You seem to know a lot about the Mormons. How do they try to excommunicate a member? What newspaper is that from?

[cryan71]

Look in my favorites videos -- you'll see the news report.

[phyljalop]

The reporting is so biased these days. A friend says one thing and the reporter distorts it to fit his own view. It's sad reporters can't report things the way they are said and done.

[cryan71]

Ah yes -- the librul media. I am sorry it's not World Net Daily or Fox News.

[kittyiswhoiam]

you got owned by

phyljalop

his arguments were way more factual and you sounded like you don't even know what an "Amendment" is

yes on 8

[sammyseattle]

Then perhaps that is something that should be taken up with the school system. You do have a right to influence curricula as a parent. Exercise that right and stop trying to take away the rights of others. NO on 8, stop the lies, stop the H8

[CarolAckerman1]

Haven't you heard? In Massachusetts parents have NO rights. Only gay couples do. Parents don't have a right to opt out THEIR child out of a classroom when they're teaching about gay marriage. Parents don't have the right to protest when their child is being read a book parents do not approve of. Parents and their children are completely at the mercy of the school system. So, no, Sammyseattle, parents DON'T have the right to influence the curricula.

[sammyseattle]

So get involved in your children's education and learn a little, you'll find that there are many things you can do to influence the education system and the government. How do you think Prop 8 began? I guess it's just easier to complain and fight against other's rights.

[alesiempregana]

Oh, don't be such a dork. You think the parents in MA were trying to not get involved? You forget, gays want marriage not because of its sanctity--snort!--they're just aching to be justified in what they do. Like they need society's approval. "Yes, sweetie, it's okay for you to have be gay or lesbian, or to have a sex operation and chop of what your XY chromosomes say you are. We'll just look the other way, and smile back at 'cha with love-filled eyes." They feel so insecure, it's laughable!

[sammyseattle]

It's always about the sex with your type, wonder why?

[CarolAckerman1]

Nope. I couldn't care less what they do behind closed doors. The less I know, the better. I just don't think they should start propagating their lifestyle to those us that find it, well, disgusting. Oh, but wait! Since I'm heterosexual I don't get to have an opinion, right? Only you do. If I have an opinion, I'm intolerant, a bigot. YOU, on the other hand, can do and say whatever you please, because YOU have rights! Never mind that the people already voted on this issue and a decision was made.

[sammyseattle]

So now you'd like to change the democratic process to take away others' rights? The only "lifestyle" I desire is the American lifestyle which includes full equality.

[alesiempregana]

CarolAckerman1, you took the words right out of my heterosexual mouth. Interesting how sammyseattle thought my comment had a sexual connotation, isn't it? Gays can already marry. Why ruin not take what yo already have and be happy? You say're not religious. Prove it. Marriage is a religious institution. Governments didn't invent it. Why cry at Government's skirt when it's not something they came up with? They gave you civil unions. But it's just never enough, is it?

[sammyseattle]

"Take what you have and be happy". Separate but "equal" (which by the way is not equal) is unacceptable. Religions have confiscated marriage. Why do you think the seal of the deal is when the officiant says, "by the power vested in me by..." And no, civil unions are not enough and have been found to be deficient in quality.

[brantheman216]

Every word of what you said had me in stitches. Not because I agreed, but because you sound so ridiculous. Thank you!

[phyljalop]

How do you think Prop 8 began?

It began when 4 judges overturned what the majority of the people already voted was the definition of marriage.

[phyljalop]

That is so true!

[booradley800]

NO RIGHTS WILL BE LOST WHEN PROP 8 PASSES. Homosexual and heterosexual couples have the same rights. Marriage isn't a "right". It is an institution which provides children with the ideal environment for their development. Governments the world over have recognized the benefits marriage provides for children and has protected this institution as the foundation of a healthy society. We must not disrupt this foundation or risk the collapse of our society.

[cryan71]

The right of gays to get married will be lost.

[phyljalop]

Nobody said that gays couldn't get married. They have always married. We just don't want the minority conditioning our children that that is an acceptable alternative.

[cryan71]

Then you could possibly hide your children in a closet, because gays exist.

This, of course, have nothing to do with gays getting married or Prop 8.

[phyljalop]

California school teachers are allowed to talk about marriage. If Prop 8 doesn't pass a teacher can tell the children that gay marriage is the same as traditional marriage. If a parent doesn't see it that way, then it's too bad on us. Parents rights are taken away to opt their children out of the class.

From my own experience most people voting yes on Prop 8 don't hate gays or teach their children to hate them. I was told as a child they are our friends, our brothers and sisters.

[cryan71]

"California school teachers are allowed to talk about marriage."

There's nothing in any instruction manual about marriage. I wonder how they would bring up marriage in Algebra class?

"If Prop 8 doesn't pass a teacher can tell the children that gay marriage is the same as traditional marriage. "

Again, where is the proof?

"Parents rights are taken away to opt their children out of the class. "

Direct lie -- californians have that right and its the law.

[sammyseattle]

Civil marriage is most definitely a right. Perhaps you need to examine the laws of the U.S. and not what you read in your holy book.

[sammyseattle]

I do know what it feels like to face discrimination. I do know that Proposition 8 takes away rights. VOTE NO on 8 and protect marriage.

[komcja]

I am going to vote YES on 8. But, what right does Prop 8 take away.

Marriage has always been between man and woman, that's how we can bring children into the world. Also, as a father and husband, I learn very early on that my children need both the nurture from me and my wife. To me protect marriage means to vote YES on 8.

Yes, what rights will be taken aways?

[cryan71]

"Marriage has always been between man and woman"

No it hasn't. Polygamy existed before. Same Sex unions existed in Greek/roman times.

"that's how we can bring children into the world"

So those damn Birth Control companies are all lying! I didn't know women couldn't get pregnant unless they were married.

"I learn very early on that my children need both the nurture from me and my wife"

Good for you -- but your lifestyle isn't for everyone.

[yesonproposition8]

I too know what it is like to face discrimination, no one group holds that title. I will vote YES on Prop 8 to protect Marriage. It is an institution that has been under attack for years. Every single civilization that abandons Marriage and Families and puts the need of the "individual" first has failed. Families are at the center of our society and should be held in high regard. Marriage between one MAN and one WOMAN is the best way to do this. VOTE YES ON 8! Protect Marriage, support Families!

[cryan71]

" Every single civilization that abandons Marriage and Families and puts the need of the "individual" first has failed."

Which ones. Proof? Ah yes -- there is no proof for that statement.

" Families are at the center of our society and should be held in high regard."

Should single parents raising kids be treated in less regard since they aren't a two parent family?

[phyljalop]

Have you heard of Sodom and Gommorah.

Being from a single parent home myself, I understand that that's a family, too. Circumstances happen that a person is single, but that family still holds the idea that marriage between a man and woman is right.

[cryan71]

"Sodom and Gommorah"

Have you heard that the US is not a theocracy. Your religious beliefs are not put into law.

Sodom and Gommorah, isn't that in the same time frame of Lot who had incest with his daughters and got them pregnant? Are you supporting incest now because the bible says it's okay?

What about polygamy -- that was in the bible. How many wives did Noah have? Do you want polygamy back?

[phyljalop]

Spelling correction 'Gomorrah'

If you read the Bible closely you will see that there were no other men around and it says the daughters of Lot were acting wickedly when they made there father drunk with wine. Let's not distort the facts.

[cryan71]

Wickedly?

It doesn't say that.

So, if you are on an island, god says it's okay to practice incest.

Oh, that's just gross!

But then again, Lot's first reaction to a rape gang was to give them his daughters...

[phyljalop]

I have an inspired translation of the Bible that says they did act wickedly. It doesn't say God said okay. And Lot did not offer to give the wicked men of the city his daughters.

[cryan71]

Well we can't argue with the inspired translation, can we? Wait, why didn't the mormon church replace the KJV version with that?

Hmmm... makes you wonder. Well, I guess the translation is as good as the book of abraham.

[phyljalop]

Are you mormon?

[cryan71]

What does that have to do with anything?

[yesonproposition8]

I was in a single parent home too from the age of 13 and I can confirm that this was not the BEST situation for anyone involved.

My hats off to all those that make the most of a bad situation, but there is not a single person that would not want a loving mother and father growing up, unless you have bias toward one gender.

[yesonproposition8]

The book The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire, identifies five major causes that contributed to the fall of the Roman Empire:

First, the breakdown of the family.

Second, increased taxation.

Third, an insatiable craving for pleasure. Fourth, an unsustainable buildup of armaments. Fifth, the decay of religion.

Does this sound familiar?

VOTE YES ON PROP 8! Protect families!

[sammyseattle]

Funny, misquoting Gibbon.

[yesonproposition8]

not a misquote. Dip!

[sammyseattle]

Quite an intellectual response.

[yesonproposition8]

So sorry, I forgot we are on You Tube where people are to act with a certain sense of decorum.

My apology if I offended.

My response to your saying that I misquoted Gibbon should have been...look it up and...GO SUCK AN EGG!

[sammyseattle]

Lovely, so intelligent and so adult. It's obvious what we are up against, the non-elite.

[yesonproposition8]

"Should single parents raising kids be treated in less regard since they aren't a two parent family?"

No. But, as a society we need to identify that which is best for families, and that is a loving mother and father.

The winner in any race does not discount the achievements of the rest of the participants, but there can be only one winner or the "best".

We need to stop lowering the bar to lowest common denominator. YES ON PROP 8!

[cryan71]

Again -- if society's best chance is to raise children with only mothers and fathers, why aren't we removing children from single parent homes to put them in the best category?

Isn't that the root of your argument- that we should stop gay marriage because a mother and a father are best?

Since prop 8 has nothing to do with gay parenting issues, why are you bringing it up?

Do you want to take away children who are adopted by gay couples or singles? Is that what you are planning?

[yesonproposition8]

"Isn't that the root of your argument- that we should stop gay marriage because a mother and a father are best? "

No the argument is what is "BEST" for a child and to promote that. I was raised by my mother from age 13. She did her best and it was tough, but my mother was not a good role model of a MAN! How could she be?

A man and a woman raising children in a loving home is what is best and should be promoted as such. It is a very selfish person that thinks otherwise.

[cryan71]

But again -- what does this have to do with removing the rights of Same Sex Couples from marrying?

Nothing.

Great -- two parent families are wonderful. But, it has nothing to do with Prop 8.

[yesonproposition8]

Yes it does. "removing rights" I am sick to death of that PR line.

It was given to Gays 5 months ago by 1 Judge! The ruling was 4 to 3, so one Judge made the call.

In the past 2000 years Gay relationships have existed without the label of Marriage and they will continue when Prop 8 passes.

No rights are taken away. It just upholds the meaning of Marriage, thus strengthens its meaning.

[cryan71]

"In the past 2000 years Gay relationships have existed without the label of Marriage "

You wanna bet on that?

"No rights are taken away. "

Except the right for gays to marry.

[yesonproposition8]

"In the past 2000 years Gay relationships have existed without the label of Marriage "

You wanna bet on that?

Yes I do. So, you're saying Gay relationships did not exist before May 16th, 2008?

What planet do you live on?

You want to tell my neighbors that have had a civil union and owned a house together since 2002 they don't exist?

[yesonproposition8]

You are right " two parent (man & woman) families are wonderful" and that should be the goal of everyone.

True that does not always work out and people that take on the single parent role should be admired for their dedication to the child, but it is still not what is best for the child.

The argument of taking away children from single parents is absurd!

If you finish last in a race you still ran the race, so good job, but you did not come in first.

[cryan71]

But again, two parent families have nothing to do with prop 8.

[sammyseattle]

Which societies are you referencing. And if your argument is that individuality is the downfall of society your argument falls apart for if gays are allowed to marry they would not be recognized as individuals under the law.

[yesonproposition8]

You do not own discrimination. I too know what it feels like to face discrimination.

Prop 8 takes away no rights. (Marriage is not a right)

VOTE YES ON PROP 8 to protect Marriage and Families!