To all of the people taking the side of the pigeons, why don't you adopt them all and take care of them inside your own house. Their population is out of hand because of wussified people like you in the first place. Too bad they don't make net catapults that work on you too.
...what else can be done? There are few, "other ways". The so-called, "First World" populations are urban/sub-urban dwellers: Most of these people have completely lost their familiar ties to their ancestors' agrarian existence...and the common-place, seasonal/scheduled/natural animal deaths/slaughter which needs-be done & or witnessed. It was/is common-place. Not a license to cruelty(though, yes -pervs exist in the country, too). Generally, the agrarians' Biblical-beliefs kept, 'that' in cheque.
I read all the time people who are against killing pigeons that the disease carrying this is a myth. Well than why does the guy who works with the net puts on a respirator?
It's kindda sick, I mean it's not they're all gonna be euthanized humanely, they'll just use the cheapest cruelest ways to dispose of them such as asphyxiation or incineration. It's not even the pigeons fault they exist, we've just overfed them and helped their population grow.
I understand the need to limit their breeding, but there are many less cruel ways of doing so.
@MaffiasAngelO88 i understand what your getting at but in the end there is no way to be humanely killed because its not the way that you die that sucks it the fact that you died. they should just pack up the pigeons and send them to another city let them deal with the pigeons that way you wouldnt have to deal with them until another city decided to dump their pigeons on you. they should do it with a modified school bus no one would ever suspect it.
@travisW731 But if you could choose how you died, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't choose asphyxiation would you? There are plenty of humanely (less cruel) methods of euthanasia.
And sending them to another city, seriously, clearly you're joking. No-one with any decent level of education would believe that to be possible..................Sorry but if you're trolling you really need to work on it a little more. And if you're not o_O picture me confused 'cause I have no idea what you're trying to do.
"They create a mass amount of poo that somebody has to clean." Yet we create a mass amount of toxic waste as humans and pretty much destroy the world, and it's the pigeons who are being killed?
You are wrong in that I hold myself accountable for the actions of others, as I have already stated. I have also already stated that I do not knowingly own things which have caused suffering. And it is simply untrue what you wrote - not "all stuff is made through causing suffering". Mass production creates many problems, yes, but the problem is mans choices and core beliefs that other life forms are less important, completely blind to the fact that he is hurting himself.
brilliant idea, needs to be done more, fuck animal rights humans are more important animals are useless only good for food and killing animal lovers go suck a dick you freaks
lol feeling sorry for the pigeons? they're considered pests, just like carp in the states. Wonder if people would feel sorry if these were done to rats.
Just this in:Spain declares war on 100 billion fucking bugs that have just been born and are annoying the shit out of people because the lack of pigeons.
This made me sad... It's wrong that we think the fact that these birds are a minor inconvenience gives us a reason to cruelly kill them, yet people are reluctant to take measures themselves tp prevent the spread of diseases that these innocent animals apparently "Spread"...
What happens after the death of these animals? Because if you cooked them right I'm sure they'd be tasty. We could feed them to homeless people. To be honest I'm starting to make myself hungry. I want to try some pigeon. Deep fried.
@lgndsgn "The humans doing this to the innocent birds are the ones who deserve to be "exterminated"."
Pidgeons are a pest like rats or cockroaches, I don't think we need to defend their innocence. They eat shit and they carry diseases, and they shit on everything.
@PokInfinity Did you read what I wrote? I said those that exterminate innocent life deserve to die. I don't destroy life. Thank you for showing your ignorance.
@lgndsgn Pigeons don't limit themselves to eating garbage. They eat hosts of insects and sometimes baby animals. Now would you argue that there is less distance between us humans and them pigeons than there is between pigeons and insects? All life is guilty of killing other life in order to survive. Whether it's the family of mice living in the wheat field a vegan lives off of, or the millions of symbiotic lifeforms that can only survive in your intestines or on your skin, and are killed in evry
@lgndsgn ... crap you take and every time you wash yourself, if you decide to live on purely chemically produced foodstuffs (which we don't have the technology to produce yet). Either you consider yourself guilty of the same crime you condemn these people to death for, and believe you should kill yourself, or you wish death on those who cause death in lower lifeforms, and therefore wish something that you would gladly murder yourself over, or you are a hypocrite. QED You should go kill yourself.
@lgndsgn But unlike homeless humans, pigeons aren't human. Therein lies the difference. Both pigeons and humans kill lower lifeforms for a living. You consider humans worthy of death for wishing to kill killers like themselves (except that they are lower lifeforms). But you are not further above these people than they are above those they kill. So by your own rules, you wish death upon yourself, because your statements are more inhumane than their actions.
@PawlOwl Of course I do. I'm not sure whether you're referring to my usage of "inhumane" or to the fact that pigeons are not humans. You are wrong on both accounts. Inhuman - Without compassion for misery or suffering; cruel. Human life is no more important than other forms of life on the planet, and as such should be treated humanely.
@lgndsgn I am wrong on *both* accounts? So pigeons are humans? Didn't know that but thanks for clarifying, professor. If all form of life are equal and should treated no differently than humans then it means we should not eat plants of any kind. All humans would starve to death; isn't that kinda... inhumane?
@PawlOwl I honestly can't remember what I wrote, but it's obvious you misunderstood. Humans are not pigeons. But pigeons should be treated with respect, as should any animal. And if I truly have to explain the difference between animals and plants then I don't believe we are going to get far in this conversation.
@lgndsgn the difference between plants and animals is irrelevant right now. Whats relevant is the similarities, both are alive. All life should be treated no different than humans you wrote. And now you probably regret writing such a dumb comment.
@PawlOwl I had to check, but you are indeed wrong. I said "Human life is no more important than other forms of life". And it is the opposite attitude many humans have that allows unnecessary harm to other living animals. Life should be treated with respect. SO please do not quote me as saying something I did not, and in the least try to understand the simplicity of what I am saying.
@lgndsgn I didn't quote, I paraphrased. Is there a reference point for respect of life? If not then your statement is nothing but a platitude. And that kind of simplicity I can understand. Nothing is more simple than nothing.
@PawlOwl If you're going to quote me don't paraphrase. And I'm not sure what you refer to as a reference point. And what exactly is platitude? Do you seriously not understand what I mean by respecting life? Do you honestly? Trapping and killing pigeons is not necessary nor is it respecting life.
@PawlOwl I assure you I am not dumb, but you on the other hand...... Maybe I need to spell this out for you. Yes plants are life; no, they are not like animals in that they do not have extensive nervous systems and the ability to suffer. (I'm ashamed I have to explain this to you.) Yes, trapping and killing pigeons is unnecessary and cruel. What more is there that you don't get?
@lgndsgn lol, you openly admit that you don't understand any of my critique so you ignore it and keep on rambling about the same old shit that I already criticized. Yeah, I'm the dumb one here.
@PawlOwl You had no critique, Mr. PO. And eve the ridiculous things you wrote I responded to. You still haven't answered any questions I asked. What don't you get about respecting life?
@lgndsgn " Is there a reference point for respect of life? If not then your statement is nothing but a platitude." was the critique which you responded with "And I'm not sure what you refer to as a reference point. And what exactly is platitude?". Stay in school, kid.
@lgndsgn Do you eat meat? Each piece of meat is 1/100th of the murder (often poorly sedated, in presence of others, before leading a terrible life) of a mammal. Do you use toilet paper or read books? Each page is 1/10000th of a monkey's, 1/1000th of a bird's and 10 insects' lives. Do you use electronic devices? Every computer chip's rare earths require the destruction of 10 square meter of landscape. Do you use gasoline? Every refill fills the pockets of those who cause oil spills.
@lgndsgn Compared to most things humans do - things that you merely pay others to do, so you can then harangue them for their "inhumanity" - this is benevolent. Just because you are the consumer and don't yourself do anything evil, doesn't mean you aren't partially responsible for the harm caused by producers.
The things you have done, just by paying people for stuff, are terrible. At least, if you consider catching a few birds with a net worth the death penalty. Inhumanity is a relative term.
@philip1201 No I don't eat meat. And you believe that humans are put on this earth for some grander and nobler purpose than all other forms of life. I do not believe that. Even IF it were true, it does not justify this action.
@lgndsgn Do you think no animals live in the fields where your food is grown? Do you think no coral reefs go extinct because of the temperature change caused by the CO2 emissions from the electricity and fuel you use, or is used to transport goods to you? And if you don't limit yourself to just the animals murdered, but also the animals never born, you can add hundreds of acres worth of biosphere destroyed for your needs.
No, I don't believe in an outside higher purpose either. But there is one
@lgndsgn ... thing that separates us from all the other animals - sapience. We are higher lifeforms: our needs -even our animalistic base needs - serve to satisfy minds between hundreds and millions of times more advanced than theirs. We may not have purpose, but we have desires.
Still, you wished death on your fellow man. Even if catching the city pests known as pigeons was unnecessarily cruel, it does not justify that action.
@philip1201 Phillip, you are over analyzing this. You simply aren't on point. These pigeons only crowd here because humans feed them. Then, in return they get annoyed, find ways to eradicate them. I'm saying it is UNNECESSARY. And yes I do my best to minimize suffering of other creatures. That said, I do understand it is impossible to live in modern society without using something made (unknowingly) that had some biproduct of suffering, a society whose actions I do not wholly condone.
@lgndsgn My point was that it's wholly acceptable to cause harm to animals, and that doing so is not itself inhumane. Whether it's good or bad depends on whether there are better alternatives.
So what would you consider an acceptable alternative? Making it illegal to feed the birds, depriving those that feed them from the happiness they gain from it? Not to mention a lot of them feed off garbage, a problem only possible to avoid by spending millions of dollars more on it.
@philip1201 Also, you have a very twisted thought process. It is not "wholly acceptable to cause harm to animals" in THIS CASE. Yes if your children are being attacked by cougars, but all means defend them. You love to assume, put words in my mouth. You love to believe this is justified for some sick reason. But you are wrong. It's unnecessary and they are not much of a threat to humans. Period.
@lgndsgn ... to harass us as they do, causing unhappiness to all city-dwellers?
And these people who fire the net, should they have chosen unemployment over the catching of pigeons? Should they reject a job they're capable of doing, thus losing their unemployment benefits and choose poverty over catching pigeons?
Either we reduce human freedom and spend money, or we reduce human happiness, or we reduce animal life and spend less money. For many, the choice is the last.
@lgndsgn You should not act like you don't know your consumption causes suffering. If you're lucky, you'll limit yourself to child labor, poor work environments and rampant destruction of the environment. If not, the trade of humans, arms sales to mercenaries (pretty much guaranteed if you save your money at an American bank), and animal torture.
You should change your morality to accept it, or you should change yourself to fit your morality. But you mustn't shut out reality you know to exist.
@philip1201 Also (and this may blow your mind), some people actually LIKE watching pigeons. I have never once in my life believed they were harassing me. You used the words "...to harass us as they do". This may be true for you (and I genuinely feel sorry for you because of it), but it is not for me and for many other people.
@lgndsgn It's unfair to pretend like you're forced by the system to cause suffering, or that your ignorance and separation from the consequences of your actions mean you shouldn't be held accountable. Your morality can only be correct if it holds up in the grim face of the truth. And the truth is you prefer this system over separation from it. You do have the power to live your life in almost any way you want, but choose to accept the system. It's not impossible, just unlike you.
@philip1201 The truth is I hold accountability to my actions and my actions alone. I live my life to the best I know how, with respect for other living creatures. AGAIN (maybe this time you will understand), trapping and killing these pigeons is unnecessary suffering and the reasons the pigeons gather is not because they are pigeons but because men feed them in urban areas.
@lgndsgn That's just short-sighted: In this world where everything is delegated to thousands of specialists (people who do specific jobs for anyone, as opposed to people who solve their own problems, whatever they may be) spread around the globe, every consumer can say they did nothing wrong, because they didn't preform actions directly, while every specialist can say they're just getting orders from greater powers. Nobody is held accountable because nobody looks on large scales.
@philip1201 Again, your twisted logic. The reason I see this is ridiculous is because I see past the bureaucracy of it. I do see the large scale. But yes, perhaps I'm not in the majority (I really don't know) when I say I like pigeons, and in all honesty the only time I've heard people complaining about pigeons is on the internet. In the end you believe that harming animals to satisfy a minor annoyance is acceptable/fair. I do not.
@lgndsgn I don't know where you live - I live in a minor city (32000) so pigeons aren't a problem here - but pigeons are a problem in large cities and quite disliked. The fact that people were willing to pay taxes for pigeons to be caught with nets itself shows that people really do dislike pigeons.
Yes I do think that is justified, but I think you think so too more than you're admitting - only if everything is duly separated.
@philip1201 If you judge the right actions of man based on what it collectively votes for you would be sticking your head deep in the sand my friend. And once again, I don't eat meat.
@lgndsgn You only need to look at this very comment threat to see the reason for the pigeons' suffering: it makes people happy. And though your comment at 18:04 UST is correct that some may like pigeons, the majority of people do not.
But they don't just come because humans willingly feed them - they also eat scraps of food that is accidentally dropped, and garbage, and sometimes steal things more directly.
My point is that causing harm to animals has to be far more acceptable for you than you
@lgndsgn ... make it out to be, because of all the side-effects of your consumption which you ignore or allow. Since you don't beat yourself up over your own behavior, I'm arguing that it's far more acceptable to harm animals to you than you thing - it's just that you're so squeamish you consider harm directly done far worse than harm indirectly done. You cause death for an ipod, these people cause death for a cleaner city. It's just different degrees of separation.
@philip1201 Also, don't say I "cause death for an ipod". I don't own a fucking ipod. Even so, not all electronics are created in ways which cause suffering/death to other animals. Please do research and please do not assume things of me.
@lgndsgn I presume you own stuff. What stuff is irrelevant - all stuff is made through causing suffering. It's willful ignorance to say otherwise.
All electronics ARE made in ways that cause suffering and death. Whether it's open-topped copper mines, Chinese cave-in prone kilometer deep rare earth mines, fish ground up in the propellors of transport ships, Indian child labor factories, hectares of rainforest or taiga, whales confused by the sounds of ships washing up on shores, or millions of
@lgndsgn ... animals that go extinct through climate change.
I don't justify all actions by what humans collectively want, but it is a valid reason and can be enough in certain cases. If you have any pets, the sole reason for enslaving those animals is because you want it. Surely if slavery of one animal is justifiable by the will of one human, murder of a few hundred is justifiable by the will of thousands of humans.
But I don't assume you freak out every time someone does eat meat.
@philip1201 The one thing you dont seem to understand is how this is unnecessarily cruel and at the same time a "problem" that humans alone have created. Now, this is absolutely nothing new with society. For instance, pit bulls were bred by man to be fierce, basically killing machines. In return, if a pit bull follows its natural insticts and kills a child (most of the time without even trying to) the animal is put down. Again, this is a direct result of poor choices made by man.
@LionGoddess1 That's actually entirely untrue. The pigeon population can remain the same with or without humans. Zoology class, blah blah blah. Also, pigeons are considered a delicacy. The pigeons we have in the states were all brought here from Europe for consumption. A few escaped, started breeding, and now we consider them a pest. There are still a few areas in the world where a pigeon based dish will run you a few hundred dollars.
@ElimRem How is this dumb cunt's comment top-rated? Pigeons are there because they eat garbage, bugs, and other shit that are way worse than bird crap on the sidewalk.
*sigh* It's been a while since I've read such dumbass comment, in reality pigeon is just a very peaceful animal striving to live like all other creatures, while in fact the world would benifit much more to exterminate genetical rejects like yourself than over a thousand pigeons.
ok people lets ask when was the last time you found a bird lice under your wing or a bird fly ? how bout salamonella but you eat chicken rite . the n
most pigeons you find out there are rock doves alot of the colored ones have been mixed with some ones runaway. if you find one with a tag on its leg you can most likely find the owner thru a pigeon club. also if you stop feeding them they will move on to some where there is food. i love animals and theres always two sides to a story.
this is awesome!! one guy feeds them like a friend, and minute later they are all caught... and dead by now. Good job!! I hate those rats with wings. People who feed them are so sad their lifes are empty. OH and yes, before you write me back: my brothers' son is blind now thanks to one of diseases those birds are spreading and he lived in a building when one empty-live moron was feeding them all the time!
It looks simple to make - Box with three weighted sticks shot out in a fan pattern using surgical tubing (think slingshot/crossbow). Buy some plastic weed netting at the lawn and garden store. Post your videos if you make one ok?
Fucking rats with wings. What a worthless animal plus there is TONS of them. My Dad works at a refinery and he throws them into the furnace there haha.
feh. is it cool or is it cruel? *ya gotta be cruel to be kinds* (my girlfriend thinks thats a song from the 80s or something, thumbs up if my girlfriend is a goofball)
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edbarr1128 1 month ago
To all of the people taking the side of the pigeons, why don't you adopt them all and take care of them inside your own house. Their population is out of hand because of wussified people like you in the first place. Too bad they don't make net catapults that work on you too.
kjloc 2 months ago
@kjloc Don't argue with them. They aren't logical, they'll protect anything as long as it's not a human being.
Vivaswaq 1 month ago
This video went viral on Georgia
edwolf1127n 2 months ago
awesome!!! dirty rats.
tomnouri 2 months ago
...what else can be done? There are few, "other ways". The so-called, "First World" populations are urban/sub-urban dwellers: Most of these people have completely lost their familiar ties to their ancestors' agrarian existence...and the common-place, seasonal/scheduled/natural animal deaths/slaughter which needs-be done & or witnessed. It was/is common-place. Not a license to cruelty(though, yes -pervs exist in the country, too). Generally, the agrarians' Biblical-beliefs kept, 'that' in cheque.
SittingMooseShaman 3 months ago
I read all the time people who are against killing pigeons that the disease carrying this is a myth. Well than why does the guy who works with the net puts on a respirator?
Lyecdevf 4 months ago
this is the best trap i have evr seen were can u purchase one of these
MRc00kieMONSTER11 4 months ago
It's kindda sick, I mean it's not they're all gonna be euthanized humanely, they'll just use the cheapest cruelest ways to dispose of them such as asphyxiation or incineration. It's not even the pigeons fault they exist, we've just overfed them and helped their population grow.
I understand the need to limit their breeding, but there are many less cruel ways of doing so.
MaffiasAngelO88 4 months ago
@MaffiasAngelO88 i understand what your getting at but in the end there is no way to be humanely killed because its not the way that you die that sucks it the fact that you died. they should just pack up the pigeons and send them to another city let them deal with the pigeons that way you wouldnt have to deal with them until another city decided to dump their pigeons on you. they should do it with a modified school bus no one would ever suspect it.
travisW731 4 months ago
@travisW731 But if you could choose how you died, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't choose asphyxiation would you? There are plenty of humanely (less cruel) methods of euthanasia.
And sending them to another city, seriously, clearly you're joking. No-one with any decent level of education would believe that to be possible..................Sorry but if you're trolling you really need to work on it a little more. And if you're not o_O picture me confused 'cause I have no idea what you're trying to do.
MaffiasAngelO88 4 months ago
ho ho ..ahi vienen los de PETA..!!!
Aguimexican 4 months ago
pigeons are good eating..........
Darthbelal 5 months ago
"They create a mass amount of poo that somebody has to clean." Yet we create a mass amount of toxic waste as humans and pretty much destroy the world, and it's the pigeons who are being killed?
getkilledslowly 5 months ago
@getkilledslowly LOOK AT ME I AM CONCERNED ENVIRONMENTALIST
EIN771 4 months ago 4
@getkilledslowly one species at a time
parrampampam 4 months ago 2
@getkilledslowly
Yup, those pigeons sure are dead.
TalRelious 4 months ago
hijos de puta
KillerMinT 5 months ago
lol its the pigeon nazis.
baldycoup 5 months ago
mike tyson is gonna find you
mjbooner 6 months ago
@kristijan0kroflin nicely put.
BabylonRenaissance 6 months ago
@kristijan0kroflin no, pigeons are stupid i raise them. they never learn from their mistakes...
BabylonRenaissance 6 months ago
it is not nice, why are they catching these pigeons. leave them free!!!
richieaboujaoude 6 months ago
@richieaboujaoude These birds are vermin, like rats and mice. They create a mass amount of poo that somebody has to clean.
Texan315 6 months ago
lgndsgn: herp herp herp herp herp
PawlOwl: derp derp derp derp derp
Conclusion of the argument?
-- herp derp herp derp herp derp herp derp herp derp
thiswomps352 6 months ago
You are wrong in that I hold myself accountable for the actions of others, as I have already stated. I have also already stated that I do not knowingly own things which have caused suffering. And it is simply untrue what you wrote - not "all stuff is made through causing suffering". Mass production creates many problems, yes, but the problem is mans choices and core beliefs that other life forms are less important, completely blind to the fact that he is hurting himself.
lgndsgn 6 months ago
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They should do this everywhere, fuck those flying rats!
Krillo1331 6 months ago
FUCKING RACISTS, WHAT DID PIGEONS EVER DO TO YOU?!
CONSIDER THIS WAR >:(
Hellfire35 6 months ago
@Hellfire35 - shit on me, shit on my house, shit on my city - DO NOT WANT!
Krillo1331 6 months ago
that 1 lucky bastard that escaped.
MuffinDemons 6 months ago
brilliant idea, needs to be done more, fuck animal rights humans are more important animals are useless only good for food and killing animal lovers go suck a dick you freaks
LewisHumphries1993 6 months ago
Feed the homeless!!!
n6vmo 6 months ago
flagged for animal abuse
Scyle92 6 months ago
lol feeling sorry for the pigeons? they're considered pests, just like carp in the states. Wonder if people would feel sorry if these were done to rats.
clapsayyeahawesome 6 months ago
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How is it you can always find people to do such cruel stuff?I be they are paid a shit salary but do it anyway...Sad people.
Go hang yourselves fucking sadists.
dzhibrish 6 months ago
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What the fuck is this cruel horseshit?
3rkid2 6 months ago
Why do people feel remorse for these pests? I doubt you would feel bad for rats.
I guess people don't know that pigeons cause damage.
jas16899 6 months ago
future chicken mcnuggets
poompt 6 months ago 27
Brilliant invention.
DrFunkensteiner 6 months ago 6
do it to cats too
mikkelchap 6 months ago
WHAAAT, THIS IS BULLSHIT! i dont want fucking lame future with no life in city except people
tehzoh 6 months ago
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fukcing humans
Fr0ntl1nez 6 months ago
@Fr0ntl1nez Fuck you hippie.
YamiAura 6 months ago
Aw, I feel sorry for the poor pidgies.
daveslady57 6 months ago
I feel like i'm the only one here who loves pigeons........
IamSimonMan 6 months ago
Fucking pests
zrogoszinski 6 months ago
Fucking cruel, disgusting cunts.
ShowMeYourSkillo 6 months ago
Just this in:Spain declares war on 100 billion fucking bugs that have just been born and are annoying the shit out of people because the lack of pigeons.
MrSpaghetti12 6 months ago
they should at least ship the birds to africa or something...
kfizzle3920 6 months ago
This made me sad... It's wrong that we think the fact that these birds are a minor inconvenience gives us a reason to cruelly kill them, yet people are reluctant to take measures themselves tp prevent the spread of diseases that these innocent animals apparently "Spread"...
rosydonut 6 months ago
What happens after the death of these animals? Because if you cooked them right I'm sure they'd be tasty. We could feed them to homeless people. To be honest I'm starting to make myself hungry. I want to try some pigeon. Deep fried.
o0mooshdog0o 6 months ago
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The humans doing this to the innocent birds are the ones who deserve to be "exterminated".
lgndsgn 6 months ago
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@lgndsgn "The humans doing this to the innocent birds are the ones who deserve to be "exterminated"."
Pidgeons are a pest like rats or cockroaches, I don't think we need to defend their innocence. They eat shit and they carry diseases, and they shit on everything.
TheTibarr 6 months ago
@lgndsgn You're right! You should go kill yourself to get started.
PokInfinity 6 months ago 2
@PokInfinity Did you read what I wrote? I said those that exterminate innocent life deserve to die. I don't destroy life. Thank you for showing your ignorance.
lgndsgn 6 months ago
@lgndsgn Pigeons don't limit themselves to eating garbage. They eat hosts of insects and sometimes baby animals. Now would you argue that there is less distance between us humans and them pigeons than there is between pigeons and insects? All life is guilty of killing other life in order to survive. Whether it's the family of mice living in the wheat field a vegan lives off of, or the millions of symbiotic lifeforms that can only survive in your intestines or on your skin, and are killed in evry
philip1201 6 months ago
@lgndsgn ... crap you take and every time you wash yourself, if you decide to live on purely chemically produced foodstuffs (which we don't have the technology to produce yet). Either you consider yourself guilty of the same crime you condemn these people to death for, and believe you should kill yourself, or you wish death on those who cause death in lower lifeforms, and therefore wish something that you would gladly murder yourself over, or you are a hypocrite. QED You should go kill yourself.
philip1201 6 months ago
@philip1201 Pigeons are no more disease ridden than a homeless human.
lgndsgn 6 months ago
@lgndsgn But unlike homeless humans, pigeons aren't human. Therein lies the difference. Both pigeons and humans kill lower lifeforms for a living. You consider humans worthy of death for wishing to kill killers like themselves (except that they are lower lifeforms). But you are not further above these people than they are above those they kill. So by your own rules, you wish death upon yourself, because your statements are more inhumane than their actions.
philip1201 6 months ago
@philip1201 I simply don't believe in things that are inhumane, my friend. And this is inhumane.
lgndsgn 6 months ago
@lgndsgn you do realize that this is pigeons and not humans?
PawlOwl 6 months ago
@PawlOwl Of course I do. I'm not sure whether you're referring to my usage of "inhumane" or to the fact that pigeons are not humans. You are wrong on both accounts. Inhuman - Without compassion for misery or suffering; cruel. Human life is no more important than other forms of life on the planet, and as such should be treated humanely.
lgndsgn 6 months ago
@lgndsgn I am wrong on *both* accounts? So pigeons are humans? Didn't know that but thanks for clarifying, professor. If all form of life are equal and should treated no differently than humans then it means we should not eat plants of any kind. All humans would starve to death; isn't that kinda... inhumane?
PawlOwl 6 months ago
@PawlOwl I honestly can't remember what I wrote, but it's obvious you misunderstood. Humans are not pigeons. But pigeons should be treated with respect, as should any animal. And if I truly have to explain the difference between animals and plants then I don't believe we are going to get far in this conversation.
lgndsgn 6 months ago
@lgndsgn the difference between plants and animals is irrelevant right now. Whats relevant is the similarities, both are alive. All life should be treated no different than humans you wrote. And now you probably regret writing such a dumb comment.
PawlOwl 6 months ago
@PawlOwl I had to check, but you are indeed wrong. I said "Human life is no more important than other forms of life". And it is the opposite attitude many humans have that allows unnecessary harm to other living animals. Life should be treated with respect. SO please do not quote me as saying something I did not, and in the least try to understand the simplicity of what I am saying.
lgndsgn 6 months ago
@lgndsgn I didn't quote, I paraphrased. Is there a reference point for respect of life? If not then your statement is nothing but a platitude. And that kind of simplicity I can understand. Nothing is more simple than nothing.
PawlOwl 6 months ago
@PawlOwl If you're going to quote me don't paraphrase. And I'm not sure what you refer to as a reference point. And what exactly is platitude? Do you seriously not understand what I mean by respecting life? Do you honestly? Trapping and killing pigeons is not necessary nor is it respecting life.
lgndsgn 6 months ago
@lgndsgn Oh wow! Not sure if troll or incredibly dumb.
PawlOwl 6 months ago
@PawlOwl I assure you I am not dumb, but you on the other hand...... Maybe I need to spell this out for you. Yes plants are life; no, they are not like animals in that they do not have extensive nervous systems and the ability to suffer. (I'm ashamed I have to explain this to you.) Yes, trapping and killing pigeons is unnecessary and cruel. What more is there that you don't get?
lgndsgn 6 months ago
@lgndsgn lol, you openly admit that you don't understand any of my critique so you ignore it and keep on rambling about the same old shit that I already criticized. Yeah, I'm the dumb one here.
PawlOwl 6 months ago
@PawlOwl You had no critique, Mr. PO. And eve the ridiculous things you wrote I responded to. You still haven't answered any questions I asked. What don't you get about respecting life?
lgndsgn 6 months ago
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@lgndsgn " Is there a reference point for respect of life? If not then your statement is nothing but a platitude." was the critique which you responded with "And I'm not sure what you refer to as a reference point. And what exactly is platitude?". Stay in school, kid.
PawlOwl 6 months ago
@lgndsgn Do you eat meat? Each piece of meat is 1/100th of the murder (often poorly sedated, in presence of others, before leading a terrible life) of a mammal. Do you use toilet paper or read books? Each page is 1/10000th of a monkey's, 1/1000th of a bird's and 10 insects' lives. Do you use electronic devices? Every computer chip's rare earths require the destruction of 10 square meter of landscape. Do you use gasoline? Every refill fills the pockets of those who cause oil spills.
philip1201 6 months ago
@lgndsgn Compared to most things humans do - things that you merely pay others to do, so you can then harangue them for their "inhumanity" - this is benevolent. Just because you are the consumer and don't yourself do anything evil, doesn't mean you aren't partially responsible for the harm caused by producers.
The things you have done, just by paying people for stuff, are terrible. At least, if you consider catching a few birds with a net worth the death penalty. Inhumanity is a relative term.
philip1201 6 months ago
@philip1201 No I don't eat meat. And you believe that humans are put on this earth for some grander and nobler purpose than all other forms of life. I do not believe that. Even IF it were true, it does not justify this action.
lgndsgn 6 months ago
@lgndsgn Do you think no animals live in the fields where your food is grown? Do you think no coral reefs go extinct because of the temperature change caused by the CO2 emissions from the electricity and fuel you use, or is used to transport goods to you? And if you don't limit yourself to just the animals murdered, but also the animals never born, you can add hundreds of acres worth of biosphere destroyed for your needs.
No, I don't believe in an outside higher purpose either. But there is one
philip1201 6 months ago
@lgndsgn ... thing that separates us from all the other animals - sapience. We are higher lifeforms: our needs -even our animalistic base needs - serve to satisfy minds between hundreds and millions of times more advanced than theirs. We may not have purpose, but we have desires.
Still, you wished death on your fellow man. Even if catching the city pests known as pigeons was unnecessarily cruel, it does not justify that action.
philip1201 6 months ago
@philip1201 Phillip, you are over analyzing this. You simply aren't on point. These pigeons only crowd here because humans feed them. Then, in return they get annoyed, find ways to eradicate them. I'm saying it is UNNECESSARY. And yes I do my best to minimize suffering of other creatures. That said, I do understand it is impossible to live in modern society without using something made (unknowingly) that had some biproduct of suffering, a society whose actions I do not wholly condone.
lgndsgn 6 months ago
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philip1201 6 months ago
@lgndsgn My point was that it's wholly acceptable to cause harm to animals, and that doing so is not itself inhumane. Whether it's good or bad depends on whether there are better alternatives.
So what would you consider an acceptable alternative? Making it illegal to feed the birds, depriving those that feed them from the happiness they gain from it? Not to mention a lot of them feed off garbage, a problem only possible to avoid by spending millions of dollars more on it.
Or simply allowing them
philip1201 6 months ago
@philip1201 Also, you have a very twisted thought process. It is not "wholly acceptable to cause harm to animals" in THIS CASE. Yes if your children are being attacked by cougars, but all means defend them. You love to assume, put words in my mouth. You love to believe this is justified for some sick reason. But you are wrong. It's unnecessary and they are not much of a threat to humans. Period.
lgndsgn 6 months ago
@lgndsgn ... to harass us as they do, causing unhappiness to all city-dwellers?
And these people who fire the net, should they have chosen unemployment over the catching of pigeons? Should they reject a job they're capable of doing, thus losing their unemployment benefits and choose poverty over catching pigeons?
Either we reduce human freedom and spend money, or we reduce human happiness, or we reduce animal life and spend less money. For many, the choice is the last.
philip1201 6 months ago
@lgndsgn You should not act like you don't know your consumption causes suffering. If you're lucky, you'll limit yourself to child labor, poor work environments and rampant destruction of the environment. If not, the trade of humans, arms sales to mercenaries (pretty much guaranteed if you save your money at an American bank), and animal torture.
You should change your morality to accept it, or you should change yourself to fit your morality. But you mustn't shut out reality you know to exist.
philip1201 6 months ago
@philip1201 Also (and this may blow your mind), some people actually LIKE watching pigeons. I have never once in my life believed they were harassing me. You used the words "...to harass us as they do". This may be true for you (and I genuinely feel sorry for you because of it), but it is not for me and for many other people.
lgndsgn 6 months ago
@lgndsgn It's unfair to pretend like you're forced by the system to cause suffering, or that your ignorance and separation from the consequences of your actions mean you shouldn't be held accountable. Your morality can only be correct if it holds up in the grim face of the truth. And the truth is you prefer this system over separation from it. You do have the power to live your life in almost any way you want, but choose to accept the system. It's not impossible, just unlike you.
philip1201 6 months ago
@philip1201 The truth is I hold accountability to my actions and my actions alone. I live my life to the best I know how, with respect for other living creatures. AGAIN (maybe this time you will understand), trapping and killing these pigeons is unnecessary suffering and the reasons the pigeons gather is not because they are pigeons but because men feed them in urban areas.
lgndsgn 6 months ago
@lgndsgn That's just short-sighted: In this world where everything is delegated to thousands of specialists (people who do specific jobs for anyone, as opposed to people who solve their own problems, whatever they may be) spread around the globe, every consumer can say they did nothing wrong, because they didn't preform actions directly, while every specialist can say they're just getting orders from greater powers. Nobody is held accountable because nobody looks on large scales.
philip1201 6 months ago
@philip1201 Again, your twisted logic. The reason I see this is ridiculous is because I see past the bureaucracy of it. I do see the large scale. But yes, perhaps I'm not in the majority (I really don't know) when I say I like pigeons, and in all honesty the only time I've heard people complaining about pigeons is on the internet. In the end you believe that harming animals to satisfy a minor annoyance is acceptable/fair. I do not.
lgndsgn 6 months ago
@lgndsgn I don't know where you live - I live in a minor city (32000) so pigeons aren't a problem here - but pigeons are a problem in large cities and quite disliked. The fact that people were willing to pay taxes for pigeons to be caught with nets itself shows that people really do dislike pigeons.
Yes I do think that is justified, but I think you think so too more than you're admitting - only if everything is duly separated.
Still, this can never be worse than eating meat.
philip1201 6 months ago
@philip1201 If you judge the right actions of man based on what it collectively votes for you would be sticking your head deep in the sand my friend. And once again, I don't eat meat.
lgndsgn 6 months ago
@lgndsgn You only need to look at this very comment threat to see the reason for the pigeons' suffering: it makes people happy. And though your comment at 18:04 UST is correct that some may like pigeons, the majority of people do not.
But they don't just come because humans willingly feed them - they also eat scraps of food that is accidentally dropped, and garbage, and sometimes steal things more directly.
My point is that causing harm to animals has to be far more acceptable for you than you
philip1201 6 months ago
@lgndsgn ... make it out to be, because of all the side-effects of your consumption which you ignore or allow. Since you don't beat yourself up over your own behavior, I'm arguing that it's far more acceptable to harm animals to you than you thing - it's just that you're so squeamish you consider harm directly done far worse than harm indirectly done. You cause death for an ipod, these people cause death for a cleaner city. It's just different degrees of separation.
philip1201 6 months ago
@philip1201 Also, don't say I "cause death for an ipod". I don't own a fucking ipod. Even so, not all electronics are created in ways which cause suffering/death to other animals. Please do research and please do not assume things of me.
lgndsgn 6 months ago
@lgndsgn I presume you own stuff. What stuff is irrelevant - all stuff is made through causing suffering. It's willful ignorance to say otherwise.
All electronics ARE made in ways that cause suffering and death. Whether it's open-topped copper mines, Chinese cave-in prone kilometer deep rare earth mines, fish ground up in the propellors of transport ships, Indian child labor factories, hectares of rainforest or taiga, whales confused by the sounds of ships washing up on shores, or millions of
philip1201 6 months ago
@lgndsgn ... animals that go extinct through climate change.
I don't justify all actions by what humans collectively want, but it is a valid reason and can be enough in certain cases. If you have any pets, the sole reason for enslaving those animals is because you want it. Surely if slavery of one animal is justifiable by the will of one human, murder of a few hundred is justifiable by the will of thousands of humans.
But I don't assume you freak out every time someone does eat meat.
philip1201 6 months ago
@philip1201 The one thing you dont seem to understand is how this is unnecessarily cruel and at the same time a "problem" that humans alone have created. Now, this is absolutely nothing new with society. For instance, pit bulls were bred by man to be fierce, basically killing machines. In return, if a pit bull follows its natural insticts and kills a child (most of the time without even trying to) the animal is put down. Again, this is a direct result of poor choices made by man.
lgndsgn 6 months ago
I want one... I need one! For SCIENCE!!!
cuddlep00p 6 months ago 2
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AnonymousKdub 6 months ago
The BBQ party is going to be sweeeeet
PTF1 6 months ago
KILL ALL THE THINGS!!!
sweetgreggo 6 months ago
"For just a Skyline Pigeon
Dreaming of the open
Waiting for the day
He can spread his wings
And fly away again
Fly away skyline pigeon fly
Towards the dreams
You've left so very far behind"
filipecroaro 6 months ago
I tell you what guys, that Santa Clause mther fcker had better watch out this christmas. I'm getting me one of these!
Nerdovich 6 months ago
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ANIMALS DESERVE TO LIVE! BEFORE YOU KNOW IT OUT GENERATIONS WONT KNOW WHAT A PIGEIN IS!
Ilovewolves4ever789 7 months ago
@Ilovewolves4ever789 Shut up you fucking hippy. Dont you have something to be doing right now, like taking a shower.
killercabel 6 months ago
@Ilovewolves4ever789 WTF is a pigein?
postmanpat261 6 months ago
@Ilovewolves4ever789 Good
reviloguy 6 months ago
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YOU ARE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE PEOPLE!!!!!
Ilovewolves4ever789 7 months ago
they are eaten??? what you do with them good meat
mentallystressed 7 months ago
@Espiritsland
I think there is a direct correlation to eating and living, if I'm not mistaken.
LexingtonWallstreet 8 months ago
Man helped create the problem ... Seems to me they are rectifying it. Wait til wild boar are running through your town.
mambeux 8 months ago
@mambeux make some bacon
RFilmyer 8 months ago
they wouldn't be so common if people didn't feed them or litter.
LionGoddess1 8 months ago 43
@LionGoddess1 That's actually entirely untrue. The pigeon population can remain the same with or without humans. Zoology class, blah blah blah. Also, pigeons are considered a delicacy. The pigeons we have in the states were all brought here from Europe for consumption. A few escaped, started breeding, and now we consider them a pest. There are still a few areas in the world where a pigeon based dish will run you a few hundred dollars.
LegionMizzy1 6 months ago 2
they should do this everywhere, fuck those flying rats!
ElimRem 8 months ago 33
@ElimRem How is this dumb cunt's comment top-rated? Pigeons are there because they eat garbage, bugs, and other shit that are way worse than bird crap on the sidewalk.
0Dist 6 months ago
@NiggerMcCunts fuck you pigeons are awesome
and worth up to 1 million dollars US
TheDeadcoyote 9 months ago
Don't eat the free bird seed!
Straylight100 10 months ago
Safer than a minigun...
alzak90 10 months ago
If people want to control pigeon population they need to stop feeding them, killing doesn't do anything to their population.
EspritIsland 1 year ago
@EspritIsland killing them does do something to the population, it reduces it
Ashleywhahaha 4 months ago
@NiggerMcCunts
You need to be shot in the face
EspritIsland 1 year ago
@EspritIsland
you need to be shit in the face to fully understand what NiggerMcCunts means.
thegreatMSG 9 months ago
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EspritIsland 9 months ago
@thegreatMSG
*sigh* It's been a while since I've read such dumbass comment, in reality pigeon is just a very peaceful animal striving to live like all other creatures, while in fact the world would benifit much more to exterminate genetical rejects like yourself than over a thousand pigeons.
EspritIsland 9 months ago
@EspritIsland I agree, it's sad how people don't respect life.
BURNINGRIOT 9 months ago
ok people lets ask when was the last time you found a bird lice under your wing or a bird fly ? how bout salamonella but you eat chicken rite . the n
most pigeons you find out there are rock doves alot of the colored ones have been mixed with some ones runaway. if you find one with a tag on its leg you can most likely find the owner thru a pigeon club. also if you stop feeding them they will move on to some where there is food. i love animals and theres always two sides to a story.
chevygl77 1 year ago
Guys, I can jump one homeless...but 30?...I cant risk it, I wont do it! I can't jump the homeless for pigeons any longer
Endlesstom331 1 year ago
mean its not rats with wings
Vdjperks 1 year ago
oh thats just fucking mean! Let em go you assholes unless you plan on eating what you catch.
ryunkoon 1 year ago
@ryunkoon you cant eat those cuz they are swarming with diseases
JipeMorin 1 year ago 2
The cake is a lie!!
SorenNox 1 year ago
lol
Hitlerwearsasnuggie 1 year ago
are they going to kill them
ladysovisdabest 1 year ago
yumm nice pigeon meet. sweet, tender and scrumptious
MyAscetic 1 year ago
they could use this on the mexican american border lol
hunterboy46 1 year ago
@hunterboy46 Tosh.O FTW !!!
opel1111 1 year ago
@opel1111 i th
hunterboy46 1 year ago
this is awesome!! one guy feeds them like a friend, and minute later they are all caught... and dead by now. Good job!! I hate those rats with wings. People who feed them are so sad their lifes are empty. OH and yes, before you write me back: my brothers' son is blind now thanks to one of diseases those birds are spreading and he lived in a building when one empty-live moron was feeding them all the time!
joe1977poland 1 year ago
Same her
stevensm001 1 year ago
saw it on tosh 2 secs ago
ManicTheManic 1 year ago
@ManicTheManic haha same here...i had to look it up to see it again
littlerascal989 1 year ago
It looks simple to make - Box with three weighted sticks shot out in a fan pattern using surgical tubing (think slingshot/crossbow). Buy some plastic weed netting at the lawn and garden store. Post your videos if you make one ok?
biodot88 1 year ago
Let the crazy PETA fanatic comments begin.
chocolateboy0115 1 year ago
What do they do with them after it?
MonaLenka 1 year ago
@MonaLenka gas them with carbon dioxide
jonesater 1 year ago
Fucking rats with wings. What a worthless animal plus there is TONS of them. My Dad works at a refinery and he throws them into the furnace there haha.
Christopherwilder47 1 year ago 2
@Christopherwilder47 you and your dad are worthless animals
eastwood1 1 year ago
@eastwood1 haha go cry pussy.
Christopherwilder47 1 year ago
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Where do they take them? ...to the nearest fried chicken joint?
slyck60 1 year ago
Where did they get this trap from????
MRshaqrawi 1 year ago
Anyone know what kind of launcher that is? Sounds air powered.
Teknik666 1 year ago
How many nets full of pigeons does it take to fly? Anyone count the number of birds they used in James & the Giant Peach?
smg7320 1 year ago
That seems pretty cruel. And yes, I have been in cities with swarms of pigeons, but the homeless are more of a threat than them.
TheColdOne 1 year ago
@TheColdOne i think the same tactic can work for the homeless too!!
jonesater 1 year ago
what do you do to the birds you caught???
i'll be more than happy to accept those birds...
here's my email: johny_walker0726@yahoo.com
papijohny 1 year ago
@papijohny why? do you eat those or something?
Ashleywhahaha 4 months ago
everybody who says this is cruel has probaly never been to a city
UnleashedPlaythrough 1 year ago
great idea. grind em up for dog food.
peace, lardo.
lardo444 1 year ago
That is AWESOME!!!! I love how them flying away encloses them even more
ScottHermanFitness 1 year ago
This is so cruel!!!!!
joemo333 1 year ago
Make pidgeon soup!
agun17 1 year ago
EPIC! :D
nglovi 1 year ago
kúúúúrva galambok de rühellem őket undorító egy dög
Smokeos 1 year ago
Poor pigeons
Gege42 1 year ago
Flying Rats got owned...
TheDexter2100 1 year ago
yeahh!! Spanish style baby!!
IgnitionZdP 1 year ago
feh. is it cool or is it cruel? *ya gotta be cruel to be kinds* (my girlfriend thinks thats a song from the 80s or something, thumbs up if my girlfriend is a goofball)
lightbluegunshots 1 year ago
@lightbluegunshots It's actually a Hamlet quote. And one of Shakespeare's better known proverbs as well.
Yeti22 1 year ago