suffering doesn't exclude the possibility of a loving God. Believe it or not but religious people know about suffering. They even experience it. If there weren't compelling arguments for a God in the face of suffering then billions of people wouldn't believe in one. That's not to say there aren't compelling arguments for atheism but to pretend that the other side hasn't got any good arguments at all is, in my experience, just something we tell ourselves when we don't want to understand.
I *had* bone cancer as a kid and I don't have a problem believing in God. Fry makes good points but I think his mistake is that he like many atheists has been plagued by ignorant monotheists who don't really think about faith or what they are saying. All the really well-educated religious people I've talked to are incredibly analytical. None of these people would describe God as simply "that which we don't understand." They would agree with your statement that "God is everywhere." And (cot'd)
@MrJxan365 Hell probably doesn't exist. I'd like to see you trying to prove it does, because you can't. You can go ahead and live your entire life being afraid of hell, but we non-believers will not do such a thing without any evidence for hell's existence.
I don't think that god's intentions are to let all his creations to abide in misery and suffering. Nor do I think that he intended us to live in a world of pleasure. I think he wanted something else.
@AGentlemanlyScholar Sure, I'm always up for having intellectual conversations (or at least attempting to be intellectual lol ) I am always trying to learn from others, and always trying to edit my thought process for the better. Would you like to talk on AIM or something ?
Btw, I have already said that I am NOT stating, absolutely, that there are no gods. I am saying that I don't believe there are. I admit I could be wrong about any of the thousands of gods that have been worshipped over the millenia. It is religious belief that asserts absolute knowledge, absolute certainty. It is religion that makes the 'positive' claims. The burden of proof is on them. I merely don't believe their claims.
@Codex7777 Once again, I agree with you on the part you said and accept the possibility of God, but you stay away from absolutes. I AGREE WITH THAT, and respect that. However, I don't agree with your statement that Religion only accepts absolute belief. There is a difference between the Religion, and the "interpretation" of the the Religion. There are many religions (muslim for one) who lets you doubt with study. Even Catholics have a name for it, which mother Teresa went through, which is....
@Codex7777 (Continued from Mother teresa part) that is accepted in the Catholic Religion as a phase that people go through of doubt that's is acceptable. Why do you think there are Jewish Rabbi's who debate with each other all day? they are trying to interpret the Torah, and there is a special ancient jewish book on it that questions. So i disagree with your that Religion doesn't invite "doubt" and "questioning". That is False. HOWEVER! yes, there are a handful of religious teachers who ....
@mystictouch9 You really do love your straw men, don't you? I didn't say that "religion doesn't invite doubt and questioning". I DID say that it emphasises faith and why. It is religions themselves that claim absolute & eternal truths. Every religion has a core dogma that is classified this way.
@Codex7777 (Continued from Religious teachers) ...bunch of religious teachers who do actually teach only absolutes (those are the crazy ones). So you see? there is no claim in religion that their is only absolutes. In fact, it's a Christian saying the Bible "God works in mysterious ways" which by that very statement, denotes unsurity. All a Religious person says is that God is Absolute, but they NEVER say in the bible that HUMANS have absolute understanding of God...
@Codex7777 (continued from in the bible humans have....lol) In fact, Jesus even said in the writings of the Bible "unless ye see signs and miracles, ye will not believe" which implies he said it out of compassion and understanding of the limits of our minds, and right after that cured the guys child from death. So please show me a text from the Bible or torah, or bhagavad gita that denotes that we "MUST" believe in absolutes?
@Codex7777 I personally am NOT a Theist in the traditional sense. Nor a Atheist in the traditional sense, but kinda an Agnostic, but NOT in the traditional sense ( lol ! ). I still haven't find a name that describes my belief. But this is mines in a nutshell. My definition of God is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, infinity and limit at the same time (lol yea). I believe God by its very nature is Unknowable by the current form of human Intellect. but believe the intellect may have ....
@mystictouch9 Do you know what the terms gnostic and agnostic mean? In essence (and this is boiling it down a whole lot) gnostic means "I can prove it", agnostic means "I can't prove it".
I think you would be a Theist (as you believe in a higher power), and based on only a few of your posts I'd guess you're a Gnostic Theist.
Oh, and don't throw insults around. It just makes you look bad.
@AGentlemanlyScholar Copy and pasting from myself "I believe God by its very nature is Unknowable by the current form of human Intellect. but believe the intellect "MAY" have the ability to "transform" into something else, which can then understand God." So that right there fits (Can prove/know) and (Can't prove/know).
@AGentlemanlyScholar Also copy and paste for me one area where I insulted someone who didn't extremely insult me first ? one guy called me insane, and a jackass, so i call them a caveman (a proper response to someone who starts madly cursing at you and calling you insane.
@AGentlemanlyScholar Saying that I'm a Theist because i believe in a higher power is too broad since you didn't define higher power. Are you defining higher power as something that is stronger than you as in kinetic force? in that sense an Atheist believes in Gravity therefore something more powerful. If you mean Higher power as something MORE intelligent, I never said I believe there is something more intelligent than humans, but not saying there isn't either.So please Elaborate on higher power
@AGentlemanlyScholar Also copy and paste from myself again "I do not know if all the events in the bible or torah etc actually happened (lol i wasn't there and don't see that kinda stuff happening nowadays lol). However, i still leave room open for its possibility." Just press CTRL-F and search for when i typed that here so you know I'm not just making shit up. I am DEFINANTLY not a Theist in the 'traditional' Judaic/christian way......
@AGentlemanlyScholar So to clarify further. I am not Gnostic, because I believe that our current minds CANNOT by its very nature comprehend God, no matter how hard it tries. And I am not really an Agnostic because I do believe that we can know God by transforming our intellects (a hypothesis i have after reading a Book called Gopi Krishna: the evolutionary energy in man). In the same way a caterpillar transforms into a butterfly.
@AGentlemanlyScholar One can argue, that if we change our intellects, than it is no longer us, but I would argue back saying, our cells change all the time in our body, and our body is very different from what it was before the gonads turned into either ovaries or testicles in our fetal stage. When or if humans merge with machines (trans human), should we still be considered human?
@AGentlemanlyScholar oh and your definition of Gnostic is wrong. Gnostic does not mean "I can prove it". Gnostic is from the Greek gnostos or 'knowledge" And copy and paste from the dictionary: Someone who as esoteric knowledge of spiritual truth held by the ancient Gnostics to be essential to salvation.
You believe in one or more supernatural entities or forces, makes you somewhat Theistic. You say God a lot, so I suppose you're at least partially religious in that regard.
I'm afraid I've only seen about half a dozen of your posts - I just saw you call someone "Caveman" which seemed a little immature.
Gnostic simply means "Of or relating to knowledge" - in the context of religious conviction, it can be boiled down to "I can prove it".
@AGentlemanlyScholar Sigh. I don't believe in super natural forces. If it happens, that means it is part of the world, and therefore it's a natural occurrence. However, I do believe in "super common" events (lol). Since anyone who studies the latest in physics knows that many seemingly impossible things can happy, though almost infinitely unlikely on a Macro scale, it's very common on the Micro Scale.
@AGentlemanlyScholar Just because I say God alot does not denote I believe in God in the traditional sense. An Atheist can end up saying the word God more than the Pope (lol) in his conquest to express how he doesn't exists, so it doesn't mean I'm a Theist. However, I feel I am closest to a Agnostic Theist (that still doesn't describe me) but that's the best I can get to, and Gnostic mainly strictly relates to the belief of a early group of Christians and other religions...
@AGentlemanlyScholar Also, I could consider you insulting because you accused me of being insulting to others, without pointing out or researching the cause of me using the term 'caveman'. Would have been less rude if you actually looked at the person that I called it to, and saw what kind of things he was saying to me at first. I find it byas and wrong that you singled me out without doing proper research into the cause of me saying 'caveman' (i know 4yr olds who say worse things)....
@mystictouch9 If you believe in a god, in whatever form, you are a theist. Fullstop. If you claim to know absolutely that there is a god, you are a gnostic theist. If you accept that you can't be certain, you are an agnostic theist. However you choose to define yourself, your belief in a god makes you a theist. That's what it means.
@Codex7777 (continued from my personal definition of God)but believe the intellect "MAY" have the ability to "transform" into something else, which can then understand God. I do not know if all the events in the bible or torah etc actually happened (lol i wasn't there and don't see that kinda stuff happening nowadays lol). However, i still leave room open for its possibility. I personally don't like Atheism, because i feel that Atheism deals with ABSOLUTES.
@Codex7777 There's a difference between.1. I know super strings exist, but get doubtful at times 2.i haven't yet detected super strings,and not sure it can be detected 3.And Super Strings DO NOTexist.The theist say "i think super strings exist.the Agnostic says "im not sure if super strings exist, and not even sure it can be tested even if it existed.3 And the Atheist says, Icannot test super strings, and havent seen it manifest in the current world ive experienced, therefore it must not exist.
@mystictouch9 You continue to make category errors. Theism/atheism are to do with belief. Gnosticism/agnosticism are to do with knowledge. They are not mutually exclusive. They are not points on the same sliding scale. They are points on two different scales.
Stay HEALTHY....stay 99% leave room for the possiblity of GOD....... Once you find proof of GOD, then you will be 100%...in the meantime, grab a beer, and chill out........then continue seeking the truth...CONCLUSIONS shape the world
YOU SHOULD ALWAYS LEAVE SOME ROOM OPEN FOR JELLO (remember the jello commercials? lol) THE NUMBER 99 IS A POWERFUL NUMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE NUMBER 100 IS VERY DANGEROUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the healthy approach to not believning in god, is also to NOT DISBLEIVE in god..From there you become trully RATIONAL for our human intellects do have flaws, and our instinctive nature may go against our highest intentions. So to remain RATIONAL, SCIENCTIFIC ( the word science means "to know" ) and HEALTHY ( a functinal state that promotes our highest quality ) I belive the search should never end, untill PROOF is obtained......AND EVEN WHEN YOU CONCLUDE THAT SOMETHING DOES NOT EXIST!
Correct me if im wrong...But is it not true that a atheist CONCLUDE that there is NO GOD? If this is so, then that is like a scientist discarding certain scientific mysteries, when only to find 100 years later another scientist proves that it DOES EXIST ! ! !
This person is always ACTIVELY seeking.........One week they would be at a buddhist temple meditating, and the next year they will be at the christian church praying to god............While another year they will be doing ritual rights with a Pagan Witch.......And yet maybe during the week they will be volunteering to work in a laboratory with a bunch of scientist....................And at nights they may try "leaving their physical bodies" with the new age physical/Astral dynamics.
They do not say "i believe in god" and they do not say "i do not believe in god" What they would more likely say is........"I am still searching" - "I am still seeking" - Unfortunately this third conclusion requires the most work! and actually is the most innocent............and I would say the most healthy..........
3. The third conclusion is one that i find to be "missing" in most humans. I would for arguments sake say this is the middle of both conclusions.- This is the PERSON who does NOT BELIEVE and does not DISBELIEVE in God, but ever searches for answers.This is what I would like to call a Healthy Atheist(if it can be called that), or a HEALTHY SCIENTIST for that matter. This is the person who has NO proof, but also has NO extreme conclusions............
HOWEVER - not believing in something just because you do NOT have the proof is simply the other side of the SAME coin in regards to faith believers like Christians. Why believe in something without PROOF ?? ?? ? Also, why DISBELIEVE in something without PROOF?
2. To "NOT" believe in something without proof- These are atheist who do not believe in god because they did NOT get their tactical PROOF or evidence. They claim rationally "why should i believe in something that does not make any sense? or offers no proof? And rightfully so this is a "INNOCENT" and "HONEST to oneself" conclusion.
1. To believe in something without proof(Proof is that which is experienced and is repeatable with other humans experiences with the 5 senses, emotions, etc and is STABLE) - examples are christians who believe in heaven or hell. etc
The fact is. There is no easy open proof that there is a Deity, and there is no easy open proof that there isn't an all powerful and deity (In the same way there is no easy open proof that there are multiple dimensions with life according to string theory). The most healthiest and sane approach, is simply accepting that most of us, JUST DON'T KNOW. An Atheist says DOES NOT EXIST hence not believing, and a THEIST says EXISTS hence believing. Neither one has proved yay or nay.
SO pretend there is God A and God B. God A wants an earthquake in Japan, God B doesnt. If God A get his decision and there is an earth quake in Japan, then by defintion God A is God. However if God B gets his decision and there is no earthquake then by defintion God B is God. There is only ONE God.
Also, I'm not stubborn like most people in my beliefs. In fact, if someone can give me a reason to be an Atheist RIGHT HERE, and RIGHT NOW, on THIS YOUTUBE CHANNEL, than I will immediately give up my beliefs in Agnostic theist like ways of thinking, and jump on the Atheist train. So there you have it, a person willing to give up his own belief system, if someone can explain Atheism over Agnostic theism. Call me irrational or insane all you want, but for those who want to help.. u have my offer.
@mystictouch9 The rational default position, for anyone not relying on faith, (belief without or in spite of evidence) is agnostic atheism. I accept that almost anything is 'possible'. That doesn't mean that everything is equally 'probable'. I cannot prove that faeries don't exist but I don't believe they do, due to lack of evidence for their existence. Ditto god/s. I could have 'faith' that faeries exist but it would prove nothing, other than I believe in faeries.
@Codex7777 I can agree with you somewhat. However, my choice in being more like an agnostic Theist over a Agnostic Atheist, is more based on personal experiences I have had, which are personal. However, I feel the best Agnostic approach for someone who has not had an "experience" would NOT be agnostic atheism, but rather PURE agnostic. There is a distinct diff between an Athiest and a Pure Agnostic. Pure Agnostic seems most rational.
@mystictouch9 What do you mean by a 'pure agnostic'? Someone who claims to know nothing? Most (non-religious) atheists are agnostic. It is religious belief that offers absolutes & unfounded assumptions. Most theists are gnostic theists. Religion, by it's very nature is dogmatic. Faith is central to most religions for a reason... because there is no real evidence to support their claims.
@Codex7777 And there is no evidence to deny their claims. If a detective is at a scene of a crime and has a suspect and no evidence, it doesn't mean he didn't do it.
@mystictouch9 Lack of evidence does not equal evidence. I could believe everything, no matter how absurd or contradictory, as everything is 'possible'. Not all things are equally probable. I can't prove that faeries don't exist. That doesn't mean I have to believe they do. Belief and knowledge are separate things. Theists tend to claim absolute knowledge. Most (non-religious) atheists don't. Most religious people shut themselves off from every other possibility for truth.
Another way to explain myself is, imagine the christian on one side of the pole, and an Atheist is on the other side of the pole. I feel both of them are majority of the time wrong with how they go about with their absolutes. I am the guy who is in the middle of the pole taking the opinions of both. I usually get flamed by Christians who think I'm an Atheist, and flamed by the Atheists because they think I'm a religious freak. The truth is, I'm more like an Agnostic Theist. if u dont know.
If anyone wants to know my personal beliefs, instead of just calling me insane. You could call me somewhat an Agnostic Theist. However, that was the best explanation for what I believe in. To explain it further. I believe that the way Christianity and other religions is taught is very flawed, however I still believe there is some truths to those teachings. I believe that humans inherently do not know and we need to stay NEUTRAL. I feel Atheism destroys neutrality.
Atheism is NOT entirely bad, however, sadly it's used as a scapegoat for many people to manifest their negative mindset on the world. There are many Angry, sadistic, and upset people in the world who actually have high IQ. The flaw however is underestimating the power that negative emotions have over intellect. In the development of the Ego and Super Ego over the id, many people find rational ways to excuse their irrational id. The masking of insanity with sanity, or compassion for cruelty.
"But evolutionary mechanism of natural selection depends on death, destruction and violence of the strong against the weak - these things are all perfectly natural. On what basis, then, does the atheist judge the natural world to be horribly wrong unfair and unjust?", Timothy Keller — The Reason For God.
The Natural world minus humanity is not wrong, unfair and unjust. Only humans have the capacity to make the world a horrible place. And conversely, we also have the power to improve it.
And the only way to do that is with a better understanding of Nature.
I am an atheist and an enormous fan of Stephen Fry, but I don't really feel he's dipped too far into the history of Christian and Jewish theology. "Why the world sucks" has been a topic of debate since the beginning of theism. A person of faith might say "Yes, there's evil and horrible things in the world so that we can learn to how to fix them." The WHO says 10.4 million children die of malnutrition every year... The idea is that we are supposed to do something about it, but we don't.
I love how people overgeneralize other people. Don't we love it when people cease to be people? Isn't it a momentous occasion when we judge a person as an idea rather than as a human being? There is nothing greater than dehumanizing one man over the next man. I would wish nothing more for my children than to become desensitized social-cannibals in our thriving global community. Long may we prosper as cynical oversimplifiers.
Fry points out that the Greeks got it right because their Gods were cruel and unpredictable. He seems to forget that God is also described that way in the bible.
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@mystictouch9 America had that pray-banner buisness where the atheist Jessica Ahlquist had it removed because it was a public school. All over the country 'christians' were acusing here to be evil, that she want's to destroy faith and god ETC. Even that politician Peter G. Palumbo called her an evil little thing. Wow way to go religion. I'm sorry sir but you are an idiot. (sorry for the crappy english, it's been a while since high school)
@mystictouch9 Hell, in there mind it's just normal to be violant because their holy book says so. For example" People in the middle east killing each-other because they don't believe in the same god or follow the same rules. Even if there is no violence it creates animosity towards one-another. The so-called 'moral-superior' christians in europe and america are knee-deep in violently judging anyone that doesn't play by their rules
@mystictouch9 Let me get this straight. You think it is a good idea to impose religion on people because a minority is not smart enough to find ways to be moral without religion? I'm sorry but that is THE most flawed idea I heard in a long while. It is evident all over the world that religion is dangerous. Religion, not atheism, is a basis where the less intelligent people become dangerous. With that i mean the extremist views and what not.
People have to remember, Religion didn't create itself. Religion is a natural byproduct of humans finding ways to keep order in social structures, so that there wont be a constant "ramming of a rock" on the next tribe leaders head. The only ones who fall for the "tricks" of Religion are the Fools. and it's the fools that usually are liabilities for mankind. Atheism is dangerous because it unshackles the super ego of those who are not smart enough to find ways to be moral without religion.
@MrDeviant82 My ranting is self-evident only to me? and proves Logic beats personal experience every day of the week? ok you got a few thumbs up.... feel proud now? Let me know when you get off the false "pedestal" and get your face out of your ass. My personal beliefs is more like an Agnostic Theist. I am not your so called Christian, nor am I your so called Atheist. Look up Agnostic Theism. And when you get your face out of your ass, let me know what I said exactly that's illogical. pick one
@mystictouch9 you need to chill out and stop being so on the defense about everything you/people say. While you were busy defending the tiny point of view you're still obsessing about, you failed to see that I was both agreeing, disagreeing with you. If you were going to take your "debating" seriously, I personally would do it publicly, not in youtube where comments are more often than not misinterpreted, as you will surely misinterpret this one. Man, what a drag.... relax.
@llieske No, what you don't realize is that I was 100% aware that you were agreeing with me somewhat. When you started talking about the Pagans, and my reply to you were also two fold. The first part was towards your FIRST REPLY, which was more insulting. The second reply I gave you was towards your agreement.
@mystictouch9 and once again... you're STILL ON THE DEFENSE. RELAX!!!! I'm not going to fight with you.... Take a chill pill. Imagine for one second that the people around you are like your friends, not a bunch of rabid badgers attacking your ideals. Maybe it's not your points you address that make you such a drag to talk to, maybe it's the way you say them. Be more lighthearted. less aggravated. Seriously, be more a freind and your messages will reach further...
@llieske ill copy and paste myself here "No, what you don't realize is that I was 100% aware that you were agreeing with me somewhat. When you started talking about the Pagans, and my reply to you were also two fold. The first part was towards your FIRST REPLY, which was more insulting. The second reply I gave you was towards your agreement..." Now in what part of that reply was I being defensive? I was very relaxed when i made that reply (honestly). What part of it is defensive? o_0
@llieske I think you're creating voice tones to something that has no tone. When typing via internet, the text are not crying out with emotion. So off my last reply, please explain to me how you concluded I was being on the defense? There is a difference between explaining and correcting something, and thinking someone is out to get you. Not really sure what you're trying to get at.
@llieske Honestly, I'm just expressing my beliefs on a forum that's supposed to encourage "FREE Think", and I'm being crucified for it and being called insane. True intellectuals however never do what you guys are doing. And true intellectuals keep going against the ignorance, even if they get bashed for their free thought. Such as Copernicus, Bruno, Galileo, Descartes, Newton, Halley, Darwin, Hubble, even Bertrand Russell.etc etc etc
@mystictouch9 Ok, just by the way you're asking me why I think you come across as defensive.... comes off as defensive. LOL! I'm a little too busy atm to nitpick each and every single detail of the words exchanged between us/them, but all I'm saying, not necessarily directed to you, is that more often than not in a debate, or even casual conversation for that matter, what you say and how you say it go hand in hand. It's usually more powerful to make your point in a friendly way, that's all.
@llieske And if someone explains it clearly, with a good rational explanation, I even said I would abandon my Agnostic like beliefs, at a snap of a finger.
@mystictouch9 I believe you're a bit wrong. Religious was not created to keep order in things. Religion was created to explain natural events. "Why the hell is it raining? It must be the god of the rain!" Religion kinda does the opposite of what you stated. It makes "tribe leaders" "ram rocks in the heads" of other because their gods are better. Although today's religions kinda take that role, yes.
@Soilpt Why can't it have more than one purpose? It was a way for primitive men to explain natural phenomena, but also as a means of establishing laws. No one wants to take orders from another man, but convince those men that there is an imaginary man that can condemn you to an eternity of burning if you're not good, then people start to listen.
@rsmith1240 We all know that religion has, and always had that influence. No question. I'm just stating that that was not how it started. I mean, do you think primitive man would have the intelligence to plot such a scheme? Probably all of them believed the same thing. Not until the point where man could explain some natural phenomenons, you would find any non-believer. I think you are speaking of a very modern/elaborated religion and i'm thinking of a more primitive/tribal/simple one :)
@rsmith1240 By the way, when i say that religion started like "this", what i mean is "i think that.." or "the logical thing to me is that..". The limited number of characters on youtube won't let me make that very clear. Don't wanna be the guy who thinks that knows it all :)
Atheism is like driving a car without a safety belt and speeding on the highway. Can it be done? sure, can the person drive this way and stay alive and safe ? absolutely. However, it's not universally sustaining. Just because wars have been fought in the name of Religion, and other evils in the name of religion, DOES NOT mean that religion is the cause of that. That's like saying the car accidents with safety belts on, that the belts were the motivating factor for the accidents.
When the mind truly breaks, it returns back into its original components. The original components of the mind, is the original components of the universe. Which could be called God. or whatever name you give. Religion is not true spirituality, but it's a "TOOL" for spirituality. Religion is the speed limit on the highway, the traffic light, the seat belt. Are those things NEEDED to keep everyone safe? no. but it can help generally keep things in order to some degree. Atheism is dangerous.
I-AM-NESS is simply a state of being. In which you are not fluctuating between wants and diswants. A state of pure being. Now you may ask, how does pain and death help bring us to that state of I AM NESS ? It's through the experience of pleasure, pain, that our soul gains data, when that data reaches a critical mass, we break into a state of absolute frustration. This absolute frustration leads one to absolute disliking of the way the mind works, hence leading to its breaking.
He ends the Video saying "they're really not all loving". He just doesn't get it, sigh. He is still associating his limited perceptions with things beyond him. Love does NOT mean, give that which you love what it wants all the time. Love means, giving that which you love what it ULTIMATELY wants. Things we don't want now, we may want later. And things we want later, we may not want even further beyond that. So what is it that we ULTIMATELY want? We ultimately want to be in a state of I AM NESS.
I would have 100% respect in this guy if he said "I don't agree or like what the lord does", but to say that he doesn't exist because of cruel things going on in the world is just, ignorant. Also the opinions of the general populace of church leaders do not define God 100%, which any honest christian leader would admit. So don't judge God based off some stupid Christians interpretations. That's like me bashing Albert Einstien because a moron interpreted his writings wrong to me.
I personally know there is a One God. However, i do admit that my limited mind naturally doesn't like the way I see the Lord allow things that i conceive as bad happen.However, that doesn't mean I will stop believing in God. That's like saying, I don't believe in nature anymore, because nature allows deers to die. If the Lord Created all things, your saying he doesn't have the right to destroy anything ? what sense does that make? You may not like what the Lord does, doesn't mean he doesnt exist
This guy is such a moron it's not even funny. He is associating pain and pleasure of the world with God or Gods having human like emotions and desires. I would have more respect for him if he simply said "I don't want to belong with the way the lord governs the world" vs "I don't believe in God". In all concepts of spirituality God is allowed to Kill things, and still love them. It's man that is not allowed to kill. God can kill, because in truth, there is no death, simply transformation.
I don't have respect for the minds of the blind Theist, nor do i have respect for the spoiled Athiest who rejects a concept simply because that have obtained poor interpretations from other blind theist like foolish so called Christians. The Atheist and the blind christian are two sides of the same coin, both are blind and impatient. I have more respect for the Agnostic if i were to choose one. Atheism is dangerous, because it chips away at the Super Ego, which is needed in a world of atomBombs.
When you all can finally solve the gap between Quantum mechanics and relativity theory, and can bring unity to physics, than you can start denouncing the one God. Physics is the Father of all science, for the laws of the operation of the universe branches out into chemistry and biology. If you do not have clarity at its base, than nothing is for certain. You say the theory of ONE GOD, doesn't make sense. When the basic laws of physics don't even make sense anymore.
The One God does exist. It's just you short minded atheist construct poor understandings of what that one God is. The one God created all things, sustains all things, and will destroy all things. The one God is beyond the limits of your small intellect, in the say way your mind is beyond that of a maggot. How do i know this ? The same way something swims in the ocean knows he could never fully grasp the Ocean, however he can swim in it.
How dare him justify there not being a one God by giving examples of pain and suffering in the wild life ecosystem. Ask yourself this question: is there Science? is there Man ? so if there is science, and if there is man, than ask yourself... What has killed more Animals in a painful death in just a years time, animals left out in the wild? or the Cows ,pigs,chicken etc in slaughter houses? The Rats and mice that are literally tortured into insanity with no pain medication in labs? u tell me?
@blindwit If i appear to be mentally unstable, and incapable of rational thought, than why would you waste your time trying to give me a rational suggestion for therapy? Wouldn't that require for me to use my rational planning to achieve the therapy you say i need? So based off how you replied to me, I would just have to say to you that you made yourself look like a fool. Enjoy :)
@mystictouch9 And again with your irrational thought processes. There is no such thing as "rational planning." Call a therapist. I was responding to you in a kind manner (as opposed to how other people are responding to you) to suggest something that you clearly need. Get help. You have some mental issues.
@blindwit There is something called rational planning. It's when you combine being rational with setting future goals. Which becomes a rational goal. You seem to insist that things do not exist simply because you say they do not. You say something is irrational, when there is rationality. You say there is insanity when there is none. You say you are being 'kind', when if fact you are manifesting the opposite. Stop playing doctor phil, and stop playing mr compassion. Makes you look bad :)
@mystictouch9 *yawn* Really? You're going to try to play some semantic game with me? There is clearly insanity. Look at your posts from a non-biased point of view. They sound ridiculous. You're the one making absurd claims without any evidence whatsoever (here's a hint: that's what "faith" means). There is no rationale in what you're saying just because you have convinced yourself that there is. Stop trying to make yourself look competent, it makes you look bad.
@blindwit Once again, you're acting like the crazy people of history who screams out "he is mad", "he is crazy", "Blasphemy", "Off with his Head"!!! When a really true intellectual, keeps his cool. Stays calm, and with rational caution (the caution part comes from the possibility that you could be wrong) tries to explain the folly of someone. I am still waiting for you to explain what I said that makes me "insane". However the way you have handled this argument, I can assume you're unstable.
@mystictouch9 Really? You're still here? No one is saying anything of blasphemy nor "off with your head." Stop with the dramatics, and stop trying to turn this around. You have not a single rational statement in any of the stuff that I replied to. It's amazing that you're actually able to carry on a conversation at all. Oh, and by the way, nice attempt at turning it around. Stop being a jackass, just go away and stop speaking your rubbish as though it's evidentiary truth.
@blindwit LOL ! you start the argument by saying "you're still here?" when you, yourself is still here. ROFL. Anyways, moving along. You still have not explained anything and the more I talk to you, the more your "caveman" nature is manifesting in your text. Words like "jackass" is surely a sign of your complete rational nature. wink wink
@mystictouch9 Yes, I have explained. I explained it very clearly. It seems you have a comprehension problem as well. Who's the caveman? Spouting two thousand year old garbage like it's factual... And me saying you're being a "jackass" is no less acceptable than *you* calling someone a "fool." Time to grow up, kiddo. Time to grow up.
@blindwit Now you're resorting to lying. In not one of your replies did you explain any of my statements and why they are false. All you have done is make rude claims with no explanation to them. Luckily youtube saves all the past comments, and anyone can go back and look at your comments, and see that all you have done is cry and shout and insult. In fact, ill even let you try and copy and paste something and copy the time you said it, that proves you tried to explain something rationally.GLuck
@blindwit Find one reply that "you made" that you can copy and paste here, that proves you were trying to be open and rational, and allowing "free thinking" (whether you think a person is being rational or not, hence the term 'free'). Put the Time of it also, so I can go back on this channel and others can go back to see if you really typed it (Since now you're lying, you need to be evaluated lol). Hopefully you will see that this entire time you have had nothing rational to say. Mr.Caveman
@mystictouch9 First off, I'm no liar. The fact that you can't read a single sentence in a reply and understand it points out that you haven't a clue where I pointed out where you were being irrational. Secondly, I'm not doing your fucking dirty work. Go do it yourself. It's not that hard. And lastly, it's nice to see that you're now signing your work with a name that suits your beliefs: "Mr. Caveman" I've not "cried" or "shouted." I pointed out that you are clearly insane with the crap you spew.
@blindwit LOL just like I thought, typical of a "caveman" to not want to debate or talk. Intellectuals never shy away from proving a point. oh well, it's unfortunate Mr. Caveman that it has come to this lol. I hope eventually u can do that little thing called copy and paste your statements to prove that you tried to be intellectual. Oh well, as for now, I'm just gonna copy this and paste it over and over again to anything you say to me, until you can copy and paste me what was requested. Mrcave
@mystictouch9 if we point out that you are potentially batshit insane, yet continue to talk to you, it's probably to encourage you to get your head checked before it really serious and go and do something like drown your first-born baby, or fly a plane into a building because that little voice in your head told you to...
@llieske Instead of dealing with the concepts I have said, and actually trying to show me the errors of what I said, and actually doing something intellectuals do, called "intellectual debate" you resort to putting on this childish immature attitude of calling someone insane, which is most likely a projection of what you have felt about yourself in the past. In history they killed the intellectuals. I guess now the new way of trying to do that is called them insane, since murder isn't an option.
@mystictouch9 true, religion was like law for a while. The Pagan winter solstice was basically bloodbath, for a whole week people would storm the streets killing, raping, robbing, looting without consequence. Then Christianization came along and they applied their rules. Now people have more common sense, at least most places, so it's not as useful anymore.
@llieske And what do you think led to the Pagan winter solstice? Technology may have changed, but our caveman instincts haven't. instead of having a club to attack someone now, we have nuclear weapons and guns. Religion IS needed for many people who do not have the intellectual foresight to realize that harming their own species lowers the effectiveness of mans conquest to master their environment. oh and, it's about time you decided to debate, rather than cry insanity like a child.
I "wonder all the way" to the point of considering why there is evil and good. I don't simply call all that I don't understand "god." Rather, I attempt to understand God.
Also, Stephen can be funny, but this is in no way "Big Thinking". Especially the bit with "pagan religion (with bloody sacrifices to half-mad and mostly unpleasant "gods") is ma-arvelous, but the idea of One God, creator, who is perfect, is himself the greatest thing - Love, the ultimate self-sacrificing love, decided to die in order to save us from the trap of death that we caused by sin, and only wants us to keep our hearts clean and directly has shown and told us how to do that - ridiculous!
@JktuUekmw But Humans can't do that, we can't keep our hearts clean or resist death. Everything and everyone will eventually decay and die. That is the nature of life.
As for the bloody sacrifices, didn't people slay other people in the name of this "One God"?
@JktuUekmw He is not saying it was marvelous, he's saying that it is realistic. One God, creator, who is perfect, isn't realistic and he was all-loving the whence come evil? With unpleasant and half-mad gods, it is very easy to see why there is death and destruction.
Okay, the Greeks also knew there is One God, but He was mysterious, hidden, unknown and He was not taking action in what was going on, so the was no way, or, in fact, reason to worship Him, as He had always stayed away from human understanding.
@JktuUekmw No, that's not what he means. The Greeks had lots of gods, Zeus, Hera, Aphrodite amongst them. Much is known about them and they were worshipped until Christianity and other religions came along, the new flavours of the era, as it were.
Why does such a topic of a video always spark a disagreement between the "atheist" and "believers"? Listen, I'm not trying to discredit religion, but as far as I see it, it's just another form of indoctrination. It was a weapon used in the past to unite the disparity between human groups. Yes, I'm thankful for that as that pave a new unison era where science may thrive. But now, open your eyes, we have a common goal, which is to use science to improve our life further. No characters left -_-
Ok God is not real. But Santa is real. I saw him from my window one night on his slay riding up on air in the distance. Not even lying. I believe in Santa
Were I God though, I would do exactly what the Christian, Muslim,Jewish God is supposed to be doing! I would not show myself anywhere or to anybody and I would intervene in the world in very rational ways.Otherwise show would be over very soon! You got to admit that an entity of infinite intelligence and power as the biblical One presumed, would not just go around on earth demonstrating Himself just like that.That would eventually be very boring and not Godlike intelligent at all.What a puzzle!
Thanks for saying that. It's nice when at least people who are religious or spiritual are open to hearing the insights and criticisms that atheists make. I always like to say that we criticize the religion, not the person practicing it. I too have heard some progressive-minded religious people say some very interesting and insightful things that I had never before considered. So thanks for being so friendly! :)
God just love to mess with people.
PainUnbearable 1 hour ago
suffering doesn't exclude the possibility of a loving God. Believe it or not but religious people know about suffering. They even experience it. If there weren't compelling arguments for a God in the face of suffering then billions of people wouldn't believe in one. That's not to say there aren't compelling arguments for atheism but to pretend that the other side hasn't got any good arguments at all is, in my experience, just something we tell ourselves when we don't want to understand.
jdebruynviolin 14 hours ago
@jdebruynviolin "Compelling arguments for a god". Very interesting. I haven't heard of any - care to enlighten?
PoundFFFFFF 13 hours ago
I *had* bone cancer as a kid and I don't have a problem believing in God. Fry makes good points but I think his mistake is that he like many atheists has been plagued by ignorant monotheists who don't really think about faith or what they are saying. All the really well-educated religious people I've talked to are incredibly analytical. None of these people would describe God as simply "that which we don't understand." They would agree with your statement that "God is everywhere." And (cot'd)
jdebruynviolin 14 hours ago
Jew 1- "We can only afford sacraments and offerings to ONE of these fuckers dammit!!!!"
Jew 2- "....fine...monotheism it is"
bigredphenom 14 hours ago
Stephen Fry could talk about fucking paint drying and it would still be cool.
sammullins963258741 16 hours ago
1:54 that voice lmao, just awesome
emptymind6 1 day ago in playlist Belief
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emptymind6 1 day ago in playlist Belief
I know where this dude is going...( to hell)
MrJxan365 1 day ago
@MrJxan365 Hell probably doesn't exist. I'd like to see you trying to prove it does, because you can't. You can go ahead and live your entire life being afraid of hell, but we non-believers will not do such a thing without any evidence for hell's existence.
omgwtfbbqxD 1 day ago
@MrJxan365 If he is, he won't be lonely.
mrjjking77 1 day ago
@MrJxan365 Going to hell for the sin of actually thinking?
technicallyabsurd 21 hours ago
I don't think that god's intentions are to let all his creations to abide in misery and suffering. Nor do I think that he intended us to live in a world of pleasure. I think he wanted something else.
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This Fag says there is no god because he is frustrated of his crooked nose lol
MRBLACKPEARL04 1 day ago
@MRBLACKPEARL04 You're pathetic.
DerrenBrown100 1 day ago 7
For some reason, I'm having difficulty posting comments. Damn youtube.
If you want to have a serious discussion about all this, might I suggest a different forum?
AGentlemanlyScholar 1 day ago
@AGentlemanlyScholar Sure, I'm always up for having intellectual conversations (or at least attempting to be intellectual lol ) I am always trying to learn from others, and always trying to edit my thought process for the better. Would you like to talk on AIM or something ?
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@mystictouch9 I'm afraid my internet connection isn't stable enough for any IM system.
Perhaps gmail, or explosm.net (practically irrelevant as a site, but I have an account)?
AGentlemanlyScholar 1 day ago
@AGentlemanlyScholar use youtubes built in mail system via channel...ill message you first (that one doesnt have word verifications)
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@AGentlemanlyScholar Also check out my skyrim video when you get the chance lol.... its on my channel (told you powers exists...kidding)
mystictouch9 1 day ago
Btw, I have already said that I am NOT stating, absolutely, that there are no gods. I am saying that I don't believe there are. I admit I could be wrong about any of the thousands of gods that have been worshipped over the millenia. It is religious belief that asserts absolute knowledge, absolute certainty. It is religion that makes the 'positive' claims. The burden of proof is on them. I merely don't believe their claims.
Codex7777 1 day ago 7
@Codex7777 Once again, I agree with you on the part you said and accept the possibility of God, but you stay away from absolutes. I AGREE WITH THAT, and respect that. However, I don't agree with your statement that Religion only accepts absolute belief. There is a difference between the Religion, and the "interpretation" of the the Religion. There are many religions (muslim for one) who lets you doubt with study. Even Catholics have a name for it, which mother Teresa went through, which is....
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@Codex7777 (Continued from Mother teresa part) that is accepted in the Catholic Religion as a phase that people go through of doubt that's is acceptable. Why do you think there are Jewish Rabbi's who debate with each other all day? they are trying to interpret the Torah, and there is a special ancient jewish book on it that questions. So i disagree with your that Religion doesn't invite "doubt" and "questioning". That is False. HOWEVER! yes, there are a handful of religious teachers who ....
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@mystictouch9 You really do love your straw men, don't you? I didn't say that "religion doesn't invite doubt and questioning". I DID say that it emphasises faith and why. It is religions themselves that claim absolute & eternal truths. Every religion has a core dogma that is classified this way.
Codex7777 1 day ago 4
@Codex7777 (Continued from Religious teachers) ...bunch of religious teachers who do actually teach only absolutes (those are the crazy ones). So you see? there is no claim in religion that their is only absolutes. In fact, it's a Christian saying the Bible "God works in mysterious ways" which by that very statement, denotes unsurity. All a Religious person says is that God is Absolute, but they NEVER say in the bible that HUMANS have absolute understanding of God...
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@Codex7777 (continued from in the bible humans have....lol) In fact, Jesus even said in the writings of the Bible "unless ye see signs and miracles, ye will not believe" which implies he said it out of compassion and understanding of the limits of our minds, and right after that cured the guys child from death. So please show me a text from the Bible or torah, or bhagavad gita that denotes that we "MUST" believe in absolutes?
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@Codex7777 And there is a distinct difference between Atheist and Agnostics. Here are some of the terms, Agnostic atheism
Agnostic atheists
Agnostic theism
Apathetic or pragmatic agnosticism
Ignosticism
Weak agnosticism
Spiritual Agnostic
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@Codex7777 I personally am NOT a Theist in the traditional sense. Nor a Atheist in the traditional sense, but kinda an Agnostic, but NOT in the traditional sense ( lol ! ). I still haven't find a name that describes my belief. But this is mines in a nutshell. My definition of God is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, infinity and limit at the same time (lol yea). I believe God by its very nature is Unknowable by the current form of human Intellect. but believe the intellect may have ....
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@mystictouch9 Do you know what the terms gnostic and agnostic mean? In essence (and this is boiling it down a whole lot) gnostic means "I can prove it", agnostic means "I can't prove it".
I think you would be a Theist (as you believe in a higher power), and based on only a few of your posts I'd guess you're a Gnostic Theist.
Oh, and don't throw insults around. It just makes you look bad.
AGentlemanlyScholar 1 day ago
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@AGentlemanlyScholar Copy and pasting from myself "I believe God by its very nature is Unknowable by the current form of human Intellect. but believe the intellect "MAY" have the ability to "transform" into something else, which can then understand God." So that right there fits (Can prove/know) and (Can't prove/know).
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@AGentlemanlyScholar Also copy and paste for me one area where I insulted someone who didn't extremely insult me first ? one guy called me insane, and a jackass, so i call them a caveman (a proper response to someone who starts madly cursing at you and calling you insane.
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@AGentlemanlyScholar Saying that I'm a Theist because i believe in a higher power is too broad since you didn't define higher power. Are you defining higher power as something that is stronger than you as in kinetic force? in that sense an Atheist believes in Gravity therefore something more powerful. If you mean Higher power as something MORE intelligent, I never said I believe there is something more intelligent than humans, but not saying there isn't either.So please Elaborate on higher power
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@AGentlemanlyScholar Also copy and paste from myself again "I do not know if all the events in the bible or torah etc actually happened (lol i wasn't there and don't see that kinda stuff happening nowadays lol). However, i still leave room open for its possibility." Just press CTRL-F and search for when i typed that here so you know I'm not just making shit up. I am DEFINANTLY not a Theist in the 'traditional' Judaic/christian way......
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@AGentlemanlyScholar So to clarify further. I am not Gnostic, because I believe that our current minds CANNOT by its very nature comprehend God, no matter how hard it tries. And I am not really an Agnostic because I do believe that we can know God by transforming our intellects (a hypothesis i have after reading a Book called Gopi Krishna: the evolutionary energy in man). In the same way a caterpillar transforms into a butterfly.
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@AGentlemanlyScholar One can argue, that if we change our intellects, than it is no longer us, but I would argue back saying, our cells change all the time in our body, and our body is very different from what it was before the gonads turned into either ovaries or testicles in our fetal stage. When or if humans merge with machines (trans human), should we still be considered human?
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@AGentlemanlyScholar oh and your definition of Gnostic is wrong. Gnostic does not mean "I can prove it". Gnostic is from the Greek gnostos or 'knowledge" And copy and paste from the dictionary: Someone who as esoteric knowledge of spiritual truth held by the ancient Gnostics to be essential to salvation.
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@mystictouch9 OK, many points...
You believe in one or more supernatural entities or forces, makes you somewhat Theistic. You say God a lot, so I suppose you're at least partially religious in that regard.
I'm afraid I've only seen about half a dozen of your posts - I just saw you call someone "Caveman" which seemed a little immature.
Gnostic simply means "Of or relating to knowledge" - in the context of religious conviction, it can be boiled down to "I can prove it".
AGentlemanlyScholar 1 day ago
@AGentlemanlyScholar Sigh. I don't believe in super natural forces. If it happens, that means it is part of the world, and therefore it's a natural occurrence. However, I do believe in "super common" events (lol). Since anyone who studies the latest in physics knows that many seemingly impossible things can happy, though almost infinitely unlikely on a Macro scale, it's very common on the Micro Scale.
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@AGentlemanlyScholar Just because I say God alot does not denote I believe in God in the traditional sense. An Atheist can end up saying the word God more than the Pope (lol) in his conquest to express how he doesn't exists, so it doesn't mean I'm a Theist. However, I feel I am closest to a Agnostic Theist (that still doesn't describe me) but that's the best I can get to, and Gnostic mainly strictly relates to the belief of a early group of Christians and other religions...
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@AGentlemanlyScholar Also, I could consider you insulting because you accused me of being insulting to others, without pointing out or researching the cause of me using the term 'caveman'. Would have been less rude if you actually looked at the person that I called it to, and saw what kind of things he was saying to me at first. I find it byas and wrong that you singled me out without doing proper research into the cause of me saying 'caveman' (i know 4yr olds who say worse things)....
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@mystictouch9 If you believe in a god, in whatever form, you are a theist. Fullstop. If you claim to know absolutely that there is a god, you are a gnostic theist. If you accept that you can't be certain, you are an agnostic theist. However you choose to define yourself, your belief in a god makes you a theist. That's what it means.
Codex7777 1 day ago 4
@Codex7777 (continued from my personal definition of God)but believe the intellect "MAY" have the ability to "transform" into something else, which can then understand God. I do not know if all the events in the bible or torah etc actually happened (lol i wasn't there and don't see that kinda stuff happening nowadays lol). However, i still leave room open for its possibility. I personally don't like Atheism, because i feel that Atheism deals with ABSOLUTES.
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@Codex7777 There's a difference between.1. I know super strings exist, but get doubtful at times 2.i haven't yet detected super strings,and not sure it can be detected 3.And Super Strings DO NOTexist.The theist say "i think super strings exist.the Agnostic says "im not sure if super strings exist, and not even sure it can be tested even if it existed.3 And the Atheist says, Icannot test super strings, and havent seen it manifest in the current world ive experienced, therefore it must not exist.
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@mystictouch9 You continue to make category errors. Theism/atheism are to do with belief. Gnosticism/agnosticism are to do with knowledge. They are not mutually exclusive. They are not points on the same sliding scale. They are points on two different scales.
Codex7777 1 day ago 4
Stay HEALTHY....stay 99% leave room for the possiblity of GOD....... Once you find proof of GOD, then you will be 100%...in the meantime, grab a beer, and chill out........then continue seeking the truth...CONCLUSIONS shape the world
mystictouch9 1 day ago
YOU SHOULD ALWAYS LEAVE SOME ROOM OPEN FOR JELLO (remember the jello commercials? lol) THE NUMBER 99 IS A POWERFUL NUMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE NUMBER 100 IS VERY DANGEROUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
mystictouch9 1 day ago
I think the healthy approach to not believning in god, is also to NOT DISBLEIVE in god..From there you become trully RATIONAL for our human intellects do have flaws, and our instinctive nature may go against our highest intentions. So to remain RATIONAL, SCIENCTIFIC ( the word science means "to know" ) and HEALTHY ( a functinal state that promotes our highest quality ) I belive the search should never end, untill PROOF is obtained......AND EVEN WHEN YOU CONCLUDE THAT SOMETHING DOES NOT EXIST!
mystictouch9 1 day ago
Correct me if im wrong...But is it not true that a atheist CONCLUDE that there is NO GOD? If this is so, then that is like a scientist discarding certain scientific mysteries, when only to find 100 years later another scientist proves that it DOES EXIST ! ! !
mystictouch9 1 day ago
This person is always ACTIVELY seeking.........One week they would be at a buddhist temple meditating, and the next year they will be at the christian church praying to god............While another year they will be doing ritual rights with a Pagan Witch.......And yet maybe during the week they will be volunteering to work in a laboratory with a bunch of scientist....................And at nights they may try "leaving their physical bodies" with the new age physical/Astral dynamics.
mystictouch9 1 day ago
They do not say "i believe in god" and they do not say "i do not believe in god" What they would more likely say is........"I am still searching" - "I am still seeking" - Unfortunately this third conclusion requires the most work! and actually is the most innocent............and I would say the most healthy..........
mystictouch9 1 day ago
3. The third conclusion is one that i find to be "missing" in most humans. I would for arguments sake say this is the middle of both conclusions.- This is the PERSON who does NOT BELIEVE and does not DISBELIEVE in God, but ever searches for answers.This is what I would like to call a Healthy Atheist(if it can be called that), or a HEALTHY SCIENTIST for that matter. This is the person who has NO proof, but also has NO extreme conclusions............
mystictouch9 1 day ago
HOWEVER - not believing in something just because you do NOT have the proof is simply the other side of the SAME coin in regards to faith believers like Christians. Why believe in something without PROOF ?? ?? ? Also, why DISBELIEVE in something without PROOF?
mystictouch9 1 day ago
2. To "NOT" believe in something without proof- These are atheist who do not believe in god because they did NOT get their tactical PROOF or evidence. They claim rationally "why should i believe in something that does not make any sense? or offers no proof? And rightfully so this is a "INNOCENT" and "HONEST to oneself" conclusion.
mystictouch9 1 day ago
1. To believe in something without proof(Proof is that which is experienced and is repeatable with other humans experiences with the 5 senses, emotions, etc and is STABLE) - examples are christians who believe in heaven or hell. etc
mystictouch9 1 day ago
The fact is. There is no easy open proof that there is a Deity, and there is no easy open proof that there isn't an all powerful and deity (In the same way there is no easy open proof that there are multiple dimensions with life according to string theory). The most healthiest and sane approach, is simply accepting that most of us, JUST DON'T KNOW. An Atheist says DOES NOT EXIST hence not believing, and a THEIST says EXISTS hence believing. Neither one has proved yay or nay.
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mystictouch9 1 day ago
SO pretend there is God A and God B. God A wants an earthquake in Japan, God B doesnt. If God A get his decision and there is an earth quake in Japan, then by defintion God A is God. However if God B gets his decision and there is no earthquake then by defintion God B is God. There is only ONE God.
pinkrose101s 1 day ago in playlist Favorite videos
God is real and kand to the good ones.
jonathan55751 2 days ago
Also, I'm not stubborn like most people in my beliefs. In fact, if someone can give me a reason to be an Atheist RIGHT HERE, and RIGHT NOW, on THIS YOUTUBE CHANNEL, than I will immediately give up my beliefs in Agnostic theist like ways of thinking, and jump on the Atheist train. So there you have it, a person willing to give up his own belief system, if someone can explain Atheism over Agnostic theism. Call me irrational or insane all you want, but for those who want to help.. u have my offer.
mystictouch9 2 days ago
@mystictouch9 The rational default position, for anyone not relying on faith, (belief without or in spite of evidence) is agnostic atheism. I accept that almost anything is 'possible'. That doesn't mean that everything is equally 'probable'. I cannot prove that faeries don't exist but I don't believe they do, due to lack of evidence for their existence. Ditto god/s. I could have 'faith' that faeries exist but it would prove nothing, other than I believe in faeries.
Codex7777 2 days ago
@Codex7777 I can agree with you somewhat. However, my choice in being more like an agnostic Theist over a Agnostic Atheist, is more based on personal experiences I have had, which are personal. However, I feel the best Agnostic approach for someone who has not had an "experience" would NOT be agnostic atheism, but rather PURE agnostic. There is a distinct diff between an Athiest and a Pure Agnostic. Pure Agnostic seems most rational.
mystictouch9 2 days ago
@mystictouch9 What do you mean by a 'pure agnostic'? Someone who claims to know nothing? Most (non-religious) atheists are agnostic. It is religious belief that offers absolutes & unfounded assumptions. Most theists are gnostic theists. Religion, by it's very nature is dogmatic. Faith is central to most religions for a reason... because there is no real evidence to support their claims.
Codex7777 1 day ago 2
@Codex7777 Pure Agnostic means, an Agnostic with nothing attached to it. Such as Agnostic Theist and Agnostic Atheist.
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@mystictouch9 That makes absolutely no sense.
Codex7777 1 day ago 3
@Codex7777 And there is no evidence to deny their claims. If a detective is at a scene of a crime and has a suspect and no evidence, it doesn't mean he didn't do it.
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@mystictouch9 Lack of evidence does not equal evidence. I could believe everything, no matter how absurd or contradictory, as everything is 'possible'. Not all things are equally probable. I can't prove that faeries don't exist. That doesn't mean I have to believe they do. Belief and knowledge are separate things. Theists tend to claim absolute knowledge. Most (non-religious) atheists don't. Most religious people shut themselves off from every other possibility for truth.
Codex7777 1 day ago 3
@Codex7777 Lack of evidence does not equal evidence.. EXACTLY, I agree with that 100%.
mystictouch9 1 day ago
Another way to explain myself is, imagine the christian on one side of the pole, and an Atheist is on the other side of the pole. I feel both of them are majority of the time wrong with how they go about with their absolutes. I am the guy who is in the middle of the pole taking the opinions of both. I usually get flamed by Christians who think I'm an Atheist, and flamed by the Atheists because they think I'm a religious freak. The truth is, I'm more like an Agnostic Theist. if u dont know.
mystictouch9 2 days ago
If anyone wants to know my personal beliefs, instead of just calling me insane. You could call me somewhat an Agnostic Theist. However, that was the best explanation for what I believe in. To explain it further. I believe that the way Christianity and other religions is taught is very flawed, however I still believe there is some truths to those teachings. I believe that humans inherently do not know and we need to stay NEUTRAL. I feel Atheism destroys neutrality.
mystictouch9 2 days ago
Atheism is NOT entirely bad, however, sadly it's used as a scapegoat for many people to manifest their negative mindset on the world. There are many Angry, sadistic, and upset people in the world who actually have high IQ. The flaw however is underestimating the power that negative emotions have over intellect. In the development of the Ego and Super Ego over the id, many people find rational ways to excuse their irrational id. The masking of insanity with sanity, or compassion for cruelty.
mystictouch9 2 days ago
my already huge respect for Stephen Fry just shot up a thousand fold.
chemicalBR0 2 days ago
Stephen needs to also embrace Windows 7, or shut up.
dewexdewex 3 days ago
"But evolutionary mechanism of natural selection depends on death, destruction and violence of the strong against the weak - these things are all perfectly natural. On what basis, then, does the atheist judge the natural world to be horribly wrong unfair and unjust?", Timothy Keller — The Reason For God.
isthatachalange 3 days ago
@isthatachalange
The Natural world minus humanity is not wrong, unfair and unjust. Only humans have the capacity to make the world a horrible place. And conversely, we also have the power to improve it.
And the only way to do that is with a better understanding of Nature.
lolgepwnt 3 days ago
Ah Stephen Fry, what a babe...
Karateworm 3 days ago
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I am an atheist and an enormous fan of Stephen Fry, but I don't really feel he's dipped too far into the history of Christian and Jewish theology. "Why the world sucks" has been a topic of debate since the beginning of theism. A person of faith might say "Yes, there's evil and horrible things in the world so that we can learn to how to fix them." The WHO says 10.4 million children die of malnutrition every year... The idea is that we are supposed to do something about it, but we don't.
Mangina9000 3 days ago
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Mangina9000 3 days ago
If there is a god, why am I an atheist?
ridered300 3 days ago
I love how people overgeneralize other people. Don't we love it when people cease to be people? Isn't it a momentous occasion when we judge a person as an idea rather than as a human being? There is nothing greater than dehumanizing one man over the next man. I would wish nothing more for my children than to become desensitized social-cannibals in our thriving global community. Long may we prosper as cynical oversimplifiers.
SimulacraMan 3 days ago
I would love to believe in god but there is more evidence to suggest god doesn't exist than to suggest he/she/it does. fact
041292sm 3 days ago
I love how the theists flag as spam any comment they don't like.
wyndam71 3 days ago
man I love this. Could not have been said better.
apollotreatingyou 3 days ago
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Fry points out that the Greeks got it right because their Gods were cruel and unpredictable. He seems to forget that God is also described that way in the bible.
anthem4truth 3 days ago
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anthem4truth 3 days ago
I love this man.
superduperdurkadurk 3 days ago
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gasmask4poop 3 days ago
what happened to his nose
asdasdasdasdasdas497 4 days ago
@asdasdasdasdasdas497 I can't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure he had a bad breakage at some point when he was younger.
Tellasation 3 days ago
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@mystictouch9 America had that pray-banner buisness where the atheist Jessica Ahlquist had it removed because it was a public school. All over the country 'christians' were acusing here to be evil, that she want's to destroy faith and god ETC. Even that politician Peter G. Palumbo called her an evil little thing. Wow way to go religion. I'm sorry sir but you are an idiot. (sorry for the crappy english, it's been a while since high school)
Vinnie187S 4 days ago
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@mystictouch9 Hell, in there mind it's just normal to be violant because their holy book says so. For example" People in the middle east killing each-other because they don't believe in the same god or follow the same rules. Even if there is no violence it creates animosity towards one-another. The so-called 'moral-superior' christians in europe and america are knee-deep in violently judging anyone that doesn't play by their rules
Vinnie187S 4 days ago
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@mystictouch9 Let me get this straight. You think it is a good idea to impose religion on people because a minority is not smart enough to find ways to be moral without religion? I'm sorry but that is THE most flawed idea I heard in a long while. It is evident all over the world that religion is dangerous. Religion, not atheism, is a basis where the less intelligent people become dangerous. With that i mean the extremist views and what not.
Vinnie187S 4 days ago
I fucking love Greek Mythology. It's just beautiful. SO MUCH more credible than this Christ tale.
Soilpt 4 days ago
People have to remember, Religion didn't create itself. Religion is a natural byproduct of humans finding ways to keep order in social structures, so that there wont be a constant "ramming of a rock" on the next tribe leaders head. The only ones who fall for the "tricks" of Religion are the Fools. and it's the fools that usually are liabilities for mankind. Atheism is dangerous because it unshackles the super ego of those who are not smart enough to find ways to be moral without religion.
mystictouch9 4 days ago
@mystictouch9 Your ranting is self-evident only to you, and proves nothing. Logic beats personal experience every day of the week.
MrDeviant82 4 days ago 16
@MrDeviant82 And what exactly is the competition?
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@MrDeviant82 My ranting is self-evident only to me? and proves Logic beats personal experience every day of the week? ok you got a few thumbs up.... feel proud now? Let me know when you get off the false "pedestal" and get your face out of your ass. My personal beliefs is more like an Agnostic Theist. I am not your so called Christian, nor am I your so called Atheist. Look up Agnostic Theism. And when you get your face out of your ass, let me know what I said exactly that's illogical. pick one
mystictouch9 2 days ago
@mystictouch9 you need to chill out and stop being so on the defense about everything you/people say. While you were busy defending the tiny point of view you're still obsessing about, you failed to see that I was both agreeing, disagreeing with you. If you were going to take your "debating" seriously, I personally would do it publicly, not in youtube where comments are more often than not misinterpreted, as you will surely misinterpret this one. Man, what a drag.... relax.
llieske 2 days ago
@llieske No, what you don't realize is that I was 100% aware that you were agreeing with me somewhat. When you started talking about the Pagans, and my reply to you were also two fold. The first part was towards your FIRST REPLY, which was more insulting. The second reply I gave you was towards your agreement.
mystictouch9 2 days ago
@mystictouch9 and once again... you're STILL ON THE DEFENSE. RELAX!!!! I'm not going to fight with you.... Take a chill pill. Imagine for one second that the people around you are like your friends, not a bunch of rabid badgers attacking your ideals. Maybe it's not your points you address that make you such a drag to talk to, maybe it's the way you say them. Be more lighthearted. less aggravated. Seriously, be more a freind and your messages will reach further...
llieske 1 day ago
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@llieske ill copy and paste myself here "No, what you don't realize is that I was 100% aware that you were agreeing with me somewhat. When you started talking about the Pagans, and my reply to you were also two fold. The first part was towards your FIRST REPLY, which was more insulting. The second reply I gave you was towards your agreement..." Now in what part of that reply was I being defensive? I was very relaxed when i made that reply (honestly). What part of it is defensive? o_0
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@llieske I think you're creating voice tones to something that has no tone. When typing via internet, the text are not crying out with emotion. So off my last reply, please explain to me how you concluded I was being on the defense? There is a difference between explaining and correcting something, and thinking someone is out to get you. Not really sure what you're trying to get at.
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@llieske Honestly, I'm just expressing my beliefs on a forum that's supposed to encourage "FREE Think", and I'm being crucified for it and being called insane. True intellectuals however never do what you guys are doing. And true intellectuals keep going against the ignorance, even if they get bashed for their free thought. Such as Copernicus, Bruno, Galileo, Descartes, Newton, Halley, Darwin, Hubble, even Bertrand Russell.etc etc etc
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@mystictouch9 Ok, just by the way you're asking me why I think you come across as defensive.... comes off as defensive. LOL! I'm a little too busy atm to nitpick each and every single detail of the words exchanged between us/them, but all I'm saying, not necessarily directed to you, is that more often than not in a debate, or even casual conversation for that matter, what you say and how you say it go hand in hand. It's usually more powerful to make your point in a friendly way, that's all.
llieske 1 day ago
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@llieske And if someone explains it clearly, with a good rational explanation, I even said I would abandon my Agnostic like beliefs, at a snap of a finger.
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@mystictouch9 I believe you're a bit wrong. Religious was not created to keep order in things. Religion was created to explain natural events. "Why the hell is it raining? It must be the god of the rain!" Religion kinda does the opposite of what you stated. It makes "tribe leaders" "ram rocks in the heads" of other because their gods are better. Although today's religions kinda take that role, yes.
Soilpt 4 days ago
@Soilpt Why can't it have more than one purpose? It was a way for primitive men to explain natural phenomena, but also as a means of establishing laws. No one wants to take orders from another man, but convince those men that there is an imaginary man that can condemn you to an eternity of burning if you're not good, then people start to listen.
rsmith1240 3 days ago
@rsmith1240 absolutely.
couldn't have said it better myself.
chemicalBR0 2 days ago
@rsmith1240 We all know that religion has, and always had that influence. No question. I'm just stating that that was not how it started. I mean, do you think primitive man would have the intelligence to plot such a scheme? Probably all of them believed the same thing. Not until the point where man could explain some natural phenomenons, you would find any non-believer. I think you are speaking of a very modern/elaborated religion and i'm thinking of a more primitive/tribal/simple one :)
Soilpt 2 days ago
@rsmith1240 By the way, when i say that religion started like "this", what i mean is "i think that.." or "the logical thing to me is that..". The limited number of characters on youtube won't let me make that very clear. Don't wanna be the guy who thinks that knows it all :)
Soilpt 2 days ago
Atheism is like driving a car without a safety belt and speeding on the highway. Can it be done? sure, can the person drive this way and stay alive and safe ? absolutely. However, it's not universally sustaining. Just because wars have been fought in the name of Religion, and other evils in the name of religion, DOES NOT mean that religion is the cause of that. That's like saying the car accidents with safety belts on, that the belts were the motivating factor for the accidents.
mystictouch9 4 days ago
@mystictouch9 Same problems. Less excuses.
PiratesVersusNinjas 4 days ago
When the mind truly breaks, it returns back into its original components. The original components of the mind, is the original components of the universe. Which could be called God. or whatever name you give. Religion is not true spirituality, but it's a "TOOL" for spirituality. Religion is the speed limit on the highway, the traffic light, the seat belt. Are those things NEEDED to keep everyone safe? no. but it can help generally keep things in order to some degree. Atheism is dangerous.
mystictouch9 4 days ago
I-AM-NESS is simply a state of being. In which you are not fluctuating between wants and diswants. A state of pure being. Now you may ask, how does pain and death help bring us to that state of I AM NESS ? It's through the experience of pleasure, pain, that our soul gains data, when that data reaches a critical mass, we break into a state of absolute frustration. This absolute frustration leads one to absolute disliking of the way the mind works, hence leading to its breaking.
mystictouch9 4 days ago
He ends the Video saying "they're really not all loving". He just doesn't get it, sigh. He is still associating his limited perceptions with things beyond him. Love does NOT mean, give that which you love what it wants all the time. Love means, giving that which you love what it ULTIMATELY wants. Things we don't want now, we may want later. And things we want later, we may not want even further beyond that. So what is it that we ULTIMATELY want? We ultimately want to be in a state of I AM NESS.
mystictouch9 4 days ago
I would have 100% respect in this guy if he said "I don't agree or like what the lord does", but to say that he doesn't exist because of cruel things going on in the world is just, ignorant. Also the opinions of the general populace of church leaders do not define God 100%, which any honest christian leader would admit. So don't judge God based off some stupid Christians interpretations. That's like me bashing Albert Einstien because a moron interpreted his writings wrong to me.
mystictouch9 4 days ago
I personally know there is a One God. However, i do admit that my limited mind naturally doesn't like the way I see the Lord allow things that i conceive as bad happen.However, that doesn't mean I will stop believing in God. That's like saying, I don't believe in nature anymore, because nature allows deers to die. If the Lord Created all things, your saying he doesn't have the right to destroy anything ? what sense does that make? You may not like what the Lord does, doesn't mean he doesnt exist
mystictouch9 4 days ago
This guy is such a moron it's not even funny. He is associating pain and pleasure of the world with God or Gods having human like emotions and desires. I would have more respect for him if he simply said "I don't want to belong with the way the lord governs the world" vs "I don't believe in God". In all concepts of spirituality God is allowed to Kill things, and still love them. It's man that is not allowed to kill. God can kill, because in truth, there is no death, simply transformation.
mystictouch9 4 days ago
I don't have respect for the minds of the blind Theist, nor do i have respect for the spoiled Athiest who rejects a concept simply because that have obtained poor interpretations from other blind theist like foolish so called Christians. The Atheist and the blind christian are two sides of the same coin, both are blind and impatient. I have more respect for the Agnostic if i were to choose one. Atheism is dangerous, because it chips away at the Super Ego, which is needed in a world of atomBombs.
mystictouch9 4 days ago
When you all can finally solve the gap between Quantum mechanics and relativity theory, and can bring unity to physics, than you can start denouncing the one God. Physics is the Father of all science, for the laws of the operation of the universe branches out into chemistry and biology. If you do not have clarity at its base, than nothing is for certain. You say the theory of ONE GOD, doesn't make sense. When the basic laws of physics don't even make sense anymore.
mystictouch9 4 days ago
The One God does exist. It's just you short minded atheist construct poor understandings of what that one God is. The one God created all things, sustains all things, and will destroy all things. The one God is beyond the limits of your small intellect, in the say way your mind is beyond that of a maggot. How do i know this ? The same way something swims in the ocean knows he could never fully grasp the Ocean, however he can swim in it.
mystictouch9 4 days ago
How dare him justify there not being a one God by giving examples of pain and suffering in the wild life ecosystem. Ask yourself this question: is there Science? is there Man ? so if there is science, and if there is man, than ask yourself... What has killed more Animals in a painful death in just a years time, animals left out in the wild? or the Cows ,pigs,chicken etc in slaughter houses? The Rats and mice that are literally tortured into insanity with no pain medication in labs? u tell me?
mystictouch9 4 days ago
@mystictouch9 You appear to be mentally unstable and incapable of rational thought and logical thinking. I suggest therapy.
blindwit 3 days ago
@blindwit If i appear to be mentally unstable, and incapable of rational thought, than why would you waste your time trying to give me a rational suggestion for therapy? Wouldn't that require for me to use my rational planning to achieve the therapy you say i need? So based off how you replied to me, I would just have to say to you that you made yourself look like a fool. Enjoy :)
mystictouch9 3 days ago
@mystictouch9 And again with your irrational thought processes. There is no such thing as "rational planning." Call a therapist. I was responding to you in a kind manner (as opposed to how other people are responding to you) to suggest something that you clearly need. Get help. You have some mental issues.
blindwit 3 days ago
@blindwit There is something called rational planning. It's when you combine being rational with setting future goals. Which becomes a rational goal. You seem to insist that things do not exist simply because you say they do not. You say something is irrational, when there is rationality. You say there is insanity when there is none. You say you are being 'kind', when if fact you are manifesting the opposite. Stop playing doctor phil, and stop playing mr compassion. Makes you look bad :)
mystictouch9 2 days ago
@mystictouch9 *yawn* Really? You're going to try to play some semantic game with me? There is clearly insanity. Look at your posts from a non-biased point of view. They sound ridiculous. You're the one making absurd claims without any evidence whatsoever (here's a hint: that's what "faith" means). There is no rationale in what you're saying just because you have convinced yourself that there is. Stop trying to make yourself look competent, it makes you look bad.
blindwit 2 days ago
@blindwit Once again, you're acting like the crazy people of history who screams out "he is mad", "he is crazy", "Blasphemy", "Off with his Head"!!! When a really true intellectual, keeps his cool. Stays calm, and with rational caution (the caution part comes from the possibility that you could be wrong) tries to explain the folly of someone. I am still waiting for you to explain what I said that makes me "insane". However the way you have handled this argument, I can assume you're unstable.
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@mystictouch9 Really? You're still here? No one is saying anything of blasphemy nor "off with your head." Stop with the dramatics, and stop trying to turn this around. You have not a single rational statement in any of the stuff that I replied to. It's amazing that you're actually able to carry on a conversation at all. Oh, and by the way, nice attempt at turning it around. Stop being a jackass, just go away and stop speaking your rubbish as though it's evidentiary truth.
blindwit 1 day ago
@blindwit LOL ! you start the argument by saying "you're still here?" when you, yourself is still here. ROFL. Anyways, moving along. You still have not explained anything and the more I talk to you, the more your "caveman" nature is manifesting in your text. Words like "jackass" is surely a sign of your complete rational nature. wink wink
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@mystictouch9 Yes, I have explained. I explained it very clearly. It seems you have a comprehension problem as well. Who's the caveman? Spouting two thousand year old garbage like it's factual... And me saying you're being a "jackass" is no less acceptable than *you* calling someone a "fool." Time to grow up, kiddo. Time to grow up.
blindwit 1 day ago
@blindwit Now you're resorting to lying. In not one of your replies did you explain any of my statements and why they are false. All you have done is make rude claims with no explanation to them. Luckily youtube saves all the past comments, and anyone can go back and look at your comments, and see that all you have done is cry and shout and insult. In fact, ill even let you try and copy and paste something and copy the time you said it, that proves you tried to explain something rationally.GLuck
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@blindwit Find one reply that "you made" that you can copy and paste here, that proves you were trying to be open and rational, and allowing "free thinking" (whether you think a person is being rational or not, hence the term 'free'). Put the Time of it also, so I can go back on this channel and others can go back to see if you really typed it (Since now you're lying, you need to be evaluated lol). Hopefully you will see that this entire time you have had nothing rational to say. Mr.Caveman
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@mystictouch9 First off, I'm no liar. The fact that you can't read a single sentence in a reply and understand it points out that you haven't a clue where I pointed out where you were being irrational. Secondly, I'm not doing your fucking dirty work. Go do it yourself. It's not that hard. And lastly, it's nice to see that you're now signing your work with a name that suits your beliefs: "Mr. Caveman" I've not "cried" or "shouted." I pointed out that you are clearly insane with the crap you spew.
blindwit 1 day ago
@blindwit LOL just like I thought, typical of a "caveman" to not want to debate or talk. Intellectuals never shy away from proving a point. oh well, it's unfortunate Mr. Caveman that it has come to this lol. I hope eventually u can do that little thing called copy and paste your statements to prove that you tried to be intellectual. Oh well, as for now, I'm just gonna copy this and paste it over and over again to anything you say to me, until you can copy and paste me what was requested. Mrcave
mystictouch9 1 day ago
@mystictouch9 if we point out that you are potentially batshit insane, yet continue to talk to you, it's probably to encourage you to get your head checked before it really serious and go and do something like drown your first-born baby, or fly a plane into a building because that little voice in your head told you to...
llieske 2 days ago
@llieske Instead of dealing with the concepts I have said, and actually trying to show me the errors of what I said, and actually doing something intellectuals do, called "intellectual debate" you resort to putting on this childish immature attitude of calling someone insane, which is most likely a projection of what you have felt about yourself in the past. In history they killed the intellectuals. I guess now the new way of trying to do that is called them insane, since murder isn't an option.
mystictouch9 2 days ago
@mystictouch9 true, religion was like law for a while. The Pagan winter solstice was basically bloodbath, for a whole week people would storm the streets killing, raping, robbing, looting without consequence. Then Christianization came along and they applied their rules. Now people have more common sense, at least most places, so it's not as useful anymore.
llieske 2 days ago
@llieske And what do you think led to the Pagan winter solstice? Technology may have changed, but our caveman instincts haven't. instead of having a club to attack someone now, we have nuclear weapons and guns. Religion IS needed for many people who do not have the intellectual foresight to realize that harming their own species lowers the effectiveness of mans conquest to master their environment. oh and, it's about time you decided to debate, rather than cry insanity like a child.
mystictouch9 2 days ago
"Really its just not good enough" lol
MrHolden17 4 days ago
Only one God is possible. There is no need for more.
Kostly 4 days ago
@Kostly we dont need any , religions hold human beings back
castlezfinest1 4 days ago in playlist Favorite videos
@castlezfinest1 I'm irreligious and outright hostile to any form of fundamentalism. So, not only do I agree with you, I LIVE it.
Kostly 4 days ago
I "wonder all the way" to the point of considering why there is evil and good. I don't simply call all that I don't understand "god." Rather, I attempt to understand God.
goodinatux 4 days ago
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La ilaha il-la-Allah translation: There is no deity except Allah
MashAllah you just got it.
spotakallxoj 4 days ago
It's amazing. In 4 minutes he said everything that I I feel towards religion.
WolfGuitar93 5 days ago in playlist Belief
Also, Stephen can be funny, but this is in no way "Big Thinking". Especially the bit with "pagan religion (with bloody sacrifices to half-mad and mostly unpleasant "gods") is ma-arvelous, but the idea of One God, creator, who is perfect, is himself the greatest thing - Love, the ultimate self-sacrificing love, decided to die in order to save us from the trap of death that we caused by sin, and only wants us to keep our hearts clean and directly has shown and told us how to do that - ridiculous!
JktuUekmw 5 days ago
@JktuUekmw But Humans can't do that, we can't keep our hearts clean or resist death. Everything and everyone will eventually decay and die. That is the nature of life.
As for the bloody sacrifices, didn't people slay other people in the name of this "One God"?
Midnight0Mistress 4 days ago
@JktuUekmw He is not saying it was marvelous, he's saying that it is realistic. One God, creator, who is perfect, isn't realistic and he was all-loving the whence come evil? With unpleasant and half-mad gods, it is very easy to see why there is death and destruction.
HackersRUs 2 days ago
Okay, the Greeks also knew there is One God, but He was mysterious, hidden, unknown and He was not taking action in what was going on, so the was no way, or, in fact, reason to worship Him, as He had always stayed away from human understanding.
JktuUekmw 5 days ago
@JktuUekmw No, that's not what he means. The Greeks had lots of gods, Zeus, Hera, Aphrodite amongst them. Much is known about them and they were worshipped until Christianity and other religions came along, the new flavours of the era, as it were.
TheFocomo 5 days ago 7
Oh goodness, I need to hear more of his American accent. "Where is your god now?" That just had me cracking up.
s3xypie 5 days ago
La ilaha il-la-Allah translation: There is no deity except Allah
MashAllah you guys just got it. God bless you :D
spotakallxoj 5 days ago in playlist Belief
Ah, FINALLY!!! THANK you!
phlearze 5 days ago
Why does such a topic of a video always spark a disagreement between the "atheist" and "believers"? Listen, I'm not trying to discredit religion, but as far as I see it, it's just another form of indoctrination. It was a weapon used in the past to unite the disparity between human groups. Yes, I'm thankful for that as that pave a new unison era where science may thrive. But now, open your eyes, we have a common goal, which is to use science to improve our life further. No characters left -_-
hardc0r3gam3r 6 days ago
when i look into my cats eyes i love him hes so cute
MrGingerbollz 6 days ago
Ok God is not real. But Santa is real. I saw him from my window one night on his slay riding up on air in the distance. Not even lying. I believe in Santa
ncripzx 6 days ago
true that
cnce145 6 days ago
Notice how he does illuminate sign at the start with his hands.
Joonagoona 1 week ago
@Joonagoona lol
bewilderedkettle 6 days ago
Nice american accent you have there lol. Where's your god now?
PAC0SANCHEZ 1 week ago
its funny how the most brilliant people are atheists and people still buy into the fantasy
phildirt3 1 week ago
Were I God though, I would do exactly what the Christian, Muslim,Jewish God is supposed to be doing! I would not show myself anywhere or to anybody and I would intervene in the world in very rational ways.Otherwise show would be over very soon! You got to admit that an entity of infinite intelligence and power as the biblical One presumed, would not just go around on earth demonstrating Himself just like that.That would eventually be very boring and not Godlike intelligent at all.What a puzzle!
tryphonkorm 1 week ago
I don't subscribe to his beliefs but I love hearing them..they're very interesting and he's so well spoken. And he has a lovely speaking voice!
discovoodoodolly 1 week ago
@discovoodoodolly
Thanks for saying that. It's nice when at least people who are religious or spiritual are open to hearing the insights and criticisms that atheists make. I always like to say that we criticize the religion, not the person practicing it. I too have heard some progressive-minded religious people say some very interesting and insightful things that I had never before considered. So thanks for being so friendly! :)
icarus313 6 days ago