a Thai kick boxer is an animal, they fight well because they are so stupid, they know nothing else in teh world except fighting, they start fighting from 5 years old to make money for mooeys drug addiction and daddies prostitutes
I don't think we should try to know who's the best between RAMON and the thai legends...Ramon was excellent but his style was not a pure Muay thai style, not worst not better, different. Respect to all
@Swagger9605 Couldn't agree more with you. Respect to all of them, yet Thais fight in a way that no farang does, just different. Even tough I admire Ramon Dekkers and love his fights -and plenty of times he won the fight even though the cards said different- I must say that calling a farang the best muay thai fighter is disrespecting Orono, Sakmongkol, Sangtiennoi, Saenchai, Jongsannan, and the Thai people. The best fighter still is Nai Khanomtom. Today I'd say Saenchai.
I always tend to think its more than just athleticism. It's the ability to harden your whole body into a pain proof machine. That's all they do is kick and punch and knee and elbow each other and just stand there like it didn't hurt. Amazing pain tolerance. And these guys can hit hard.
Why can't Westerners accept the fact that Ramon was obviously never as good as these two fighters. Ramon was the best foreign fighter not the best fighter. But foreigners keep saying he's the best.
@findpocketmoney i tottaly agree with you BUT ramon was GREAT he fought the best orono koban sakmongol namkabuan sangtienoi.we should respect him for only getting in the ring with these legends
@karabouzouklis that has nothing to do with what is being said. People say ramon was THE BEST but he wasnt anywhere near as good as these two. Read before you start talking next time.
@findpocketmoney i dont know man its hard to say. coban in my opinion was the best and rammon beat him twice. rammon took out many of the thais number ones at the time. he was also the first foreiner to get fighter of the year over thais. give credit where credit is due. they are all titans of the game in my opinion
Sakmongkol non è mai stato al livello di dekkers, guarda bene i match....Dekkers ha perso solamente perchè sak è stato allenato da 6 diversi istruttori, appositamente per buttare giù dekker...tutto qui...
Infatti hai ragione era a un livello nettamente superiore rispetto a dekkers. ricoda anche che che sakmongkol aveva appena 18 anni quando combatte' contro dekkers. in piu sakmongkol riusciva a vincere praticamente tutti i match (eccetto quando si slogava la spalla) contro combattenti piu forti. dekkers contro i piu forti tipo jomhod, orono, coban, namkabuan, dany bill... perdeva quasi sempre
World champion isnt much its the stadium title that meansd the most both sakmongkol and orono are lumpinee champions is dekkker ummmmmm NOOOO nuff said
Sakmongkol already proves that he is better than Ramon. Dekker was overwhelmed by the younger fighter's elbow attacks and teeps of Sakmongkol. Throughout most of the fight, Dekker was a bloody mess.
I saw orono posing n group picture n younger years with a belt Hes known loved n well respected & considered a legend a awesome fighter, tough as nails, great elbow, smart fighter dangerous from all angles n clinch. Especially his elbow & knee combo He was a relentless fighter still semi active. Anyone can get there ass kicked at sometime thats no measurment of his accomplishment or skill. Its opposite hes been kicking so much ass its hard stop. 2 lose what better way other than 2 a champion.
It wasn't a TKO... now i know you're a fucking douche.. he couldn't stop Ramon, he did win on points.. but he couldn't stop him. Last two Rounds went to Ramon though.
Wow, you're either thinking of the wrong fight or you're just in loser denial. another Dekkers nuthugger. He was never the champion at any stadium, just considered the best foreigner at the time.
Man you really are a die hard dekkers lover... RELAX. All great fighters lose sometimes. Sak beat him, Orono beat him... And it wasnt because of bias. Sure, they didnt fuck him up, credit to Dekkers he is an awesome fighter and hard as nails. But its a sport, its judged with points...But even if there was bias, it was clear he lost those fights. And anyway, stop dissin the Thai fighers, without them we wouldnt have fighters of any where near Dekkers calibre.
Rayhey, Im afraid that Lumpinee Champion is the bigger compared to World Champion titles from different federations, Dekkers was good but the Thais will always dominate, Now a lot of fighters go to thailand and live and train like real Nak Muays so maybe someday.....
You know, when it comes to Ramon Dekkers, please remember he got "Fighter of the Year" award in Thailand. Now that's something! Thai will generally dominate because there are a lot of them. I believe there is more than 60.000 professional fighters in Thailand! Ramon was just brutal and he won most of the fights. In my opinion he really was the greatest in his times.
ramon lost to sakmongkol. get over it. i saw the fight. ramon got dominated. who was hurt in that fight? ramon looked hurt and gassed. sak was still going strong. nuff said. quit hugging and start respecting.
to earn best point in MT, you have to master in grappling and knee. This look not dangerous, but this hit directly into your stomach and spleen. It could cause you seriously injured afterwards. Many thai fighter suffered these injures quitting their job, unless you don't want to eat anymore
couldnt have said it better my self... dekker was out classed by a more well rounded fighter..dekker was very limited in his technique, he was an iron train moving foreward
a Thai kick boxer is an animal, they fight well because they are so stupid, they know nothing else in teh world except fighting, they start fighting from 5 years old to make money for mooeys drug addiction and daddies prostitutes
maxawesuse 3 weeks ago
Sakmongkol was awesome! But top 3 all-time: Diesel Noi, Samart, and Saenchai!!!
H8lowlives 8 months ago
Hippy was/is the greatest. Period!!
jonboy44ify 10 months ago
I don't think we should try to know who's the best between RAMON and the thai legends...Ramon was excellent but his style was not a pure Muay thai style, not worst not better, different. Respect to all
Swagger9605 1 year ago 2
@Swagger9605 Couldn't agree more with you. Respect to all of them, yet Thais fight in a way that no farang does, just different. Even tough I admire Ramon Dekkers and love his fights -and plenty of times he won the fight even though the cards said different- I must say that calling a farang the best muay thai fighter is disrespecting Orono, Sakmongkol, Sangtiennoi, Saenchai, Jongsannan, and the Thai people. The best fighter still is Nai Khanomtom. Today I'd say Saenchai.
SirNenon 5 months ago
some of my very favorite fighters going at each other.
why are todays muay thai fighters so different ?
what happend to my muay thai ?
where did it all go ??
its not the same . i have said this for the last 15 years
FUSSYMUAYTHAI 1 year ago
sak looks much bigger. does anybody know the weights?
ElephantRage 2 years ago
Both these fighters beat Ramon Dekkers and Ramon Dekkers was a damn good Muay Thai fighter.
admirer66 2 years ago 2
Ramon dekker el mejor =)
kaletaf2 2 years ago
diamond vs diamond
lncomplete 2 years ago
Amazing athletes these guys are.
nurtsurt 2 years ago
I always tend to think its more than just athleticism. It's the ability to harden your whole body into a pain proof machine. That's all they do is kick and punch and knee and elbow each other and just stand there like it didn't hurt. Amazing pain tolerance. And these guys can hit hard.
RegistrationCop 2 years ago
is there something wrong with the video? sakmongkol is a south paw and orono is an orthodox fighter!
kingtong1 3 years ago
orono is southpaw
DrBabyCube 2 years ago
yeah your right. but sakmongkol is a south paw. i wonder if he changed stance to counter orono. does anyone have the whole fight?
kingtong1 2 years ago
SAKMONGKOL won.
urbsasusual 3 years ago
ORONO OR SAKMONGKOL WIN THIS FIGHT ?
togzltaz 3 years ago
sickkkkk fight 2 very well rounded fighters one of the best muay thai fights ive seen
wyldsi 3 years ago
Sakmongkol best Clincher and Orono very good complet Fighter 2 Thailegendfighter
muayfarang 3 years ago
Why can't Westerners accept the fact that Ramon was obviously never as good as these two fighters. Ramon was the best foreign fighter not the best fighter. But foreigners keep saying he's the best.
findpocketmoney 3 years ago 23
Well that's just because Ramon was awarded by THAIS a "fighter of the year" award. That meant something.
Gatokrk 2 years ago
no he wasn't
Cacti45 2 years ago
yes he was. google it
grehan19 2 years ago
@findpocketmoney i tottaly agree with you BUT ramon was GREAT he fought the best orono koban sakmongol namkabuan sangtienoi.we should respect him for only getting in the ring with these legends
karabouzouklis 1 year ago 4
@karabouzouklis that has nothing to do with what is being said. People say ramon was THE BEST but he wasnt anywhere near as good as these two. Read before you start talking next time.
thecrazyoftheinsane 1 year ago 4
@thecrazyoftheinsane did you read my post before commenting you ignorent fuck?
karabouzouklis 1 year ago
@findpocketmoney back then the thais were untouchable
BUSSECOMBAT 1 year ago
@findpocketmoney not even the best foreign fighter. Danny Bill was much better than him and could win in thailand
nww135 11 months ago
@findpocketmoney i dont know man its hard to say. coban in my opinion was the best and rammon beat him twice. rammon took out many of the thais number ones at the time. he was also the first foreiner to get fighter of the year over thais. give credit where credit is due. they are all titans of the game in my opinion
muaythaigenius28 9 months ago
when was this fight how old was orono and sak then/ here ?
ramon is never the same class as these two going at it here ..
Dopedenim 3 years ago
both can beat buakaw
juandiego90 3 years ago 2
what great fight
muaythai1786 3 years ago
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ramon is the greatest ever
moederskutje 3 years ago
het is niet omdat ramen dekkers een hollander is dat hij de beste is.
Orono > ramon
sexytimenot22 3 years ago
master chana is the coolest cat ever
IwantAhumanGUISO 3 years ago
i could be wrong but i believe John w Parr was ranked 4 at lumpini when he was living there.
rusaii 3 years ago
shadyeskimo exactly!
kasakee 4 years ago
Sakmongkol non è mai stato al livello di dekkers, guarda bene i match....Dekkers ha perso solamente perchè sak è stato allenato da 6 diversi istruttori, appositamente per buttare giù dekker...tutto qui...
FIGHTAREA 4 years ago
Infatti hai ragione era a un livello nettamente superiore rispetto a dekkers. ricoda anche che che sakmongkol aveva appena 18 anni quando combatte' contro dekkers. in piu sakmongkol riusciva a vincere praticamente tutti i match (eccetto quando si slogava la spalla) contro combattenti piu forti. dekkers contro i piu forti tipo jomhod, orono, coban, namkabuan, dany bill... perdeva quasi sempre
suriya883 4 years ago
Secondo me non c'è paragone Dekkers è il più forte...è solo la mia opinione...se tu ritieni più forte Sak a me sta bene.
Semplicemente lo stile che ha Dekkers e soprattutto il suo cuore non hanno eguali
FIGHTAREA 4 years ago
sakmongkol>dekkers, no doubt.
yodoe321 4 years ago 10
World champion isnt much its the stadium title that meansd the most both sakmongkol and orono are lumpinee champions is dekkker ummmmmm NOOOO nuff said
kasakee 4 years ago 4
Just Curious, you must know, I dont Think Dekkers ever beat Sakmongkol or Orono is that right??
shadyeskimo 4 years ago
Sakmongkol already proves that he is better than Ramon. Dekker was overwhelmed by the younger fighter's elbow attacks and teeps of Sakmongkol. Throughout most of the fight, Dekker was a bloody mess.
muaythai4ko 4 years ago 3
a glorious display of the art right there!
amazing!
markyboy1418 4 years ago 2
What no orono was in pink
kasakee 4 years ago
was orono the one with blue shorts
juannpabloo 4 years ago
When was this fight?
hollaatyadogz 4 years ago
I saw orono posing n group picture n younger years with a belt Hes known loved n well respected & considered a legend a awesome fighter, tough as nails, great elbow, smart fighter dangerous from all angles n clinch. Especially his elbow & knee combo He was a relentless fighter still semi active. Anyone can get there ass kicked at sometime thats no measurment of his accomplishment or skill. Its opposite hes been kicking so much ass its hard stop. 2 lose what better way other than 2 a champion.
lionsdance 5 years ago
Didn't come close to kicking Dekkers ass.
Sexums 5 years ago
for pound to pound fight no one rarely could beat Thai fighters
stgw 5 years ago
yep ,me and sexmuchinegun are praticing with orono in hk ,if you want to see the prove?you can ask for pictures XD ,he is really good
Itsoeasyafterall 5 years ago
haha i am now training with orono in hk , he is really good
sexmuchinegun 5 years ago
hi,how old is orono?
KERIKIL 5 years ago
Wonder why Sak went othordox for this fight. He didn't do many legkicks to Orono's bad knee.
icemountainwillet 5 years ago
My bad, Ramon fought both of them. lawl.
Sexums 5 years ago
Too bad Ramon Dekkers kicked sakmongkols' ass :)
Ramon lost on Decision of course... but he really won the fight.
Sexums 5 years ago
Who was bloodied in the fight? Sak was the superior striker that night. He beat Dekkers rather easily.
AHCHOIMY 5 years ago
Got one elbow... cut him... he wins? LOL OK FAG
Sexums 5 years ago
It was TKO form the cuts Skamongkol gave to Dekkers. Kicking Sakmongkol's ass? watch the fight again, or learn some muay thai first.
abeu 5 years ago
It wasn't a TKO... now i know you're a fucking douche.. he couldn't stop Ramon, he did win on points.. but he couldn't stop him. Last two Rounds went to Ramon though.
Sexums 5 years ago
Wow, you're either thinking of the wrong fight or you're just in loser denial. another Dekkers nuthugger. He was never the champion at any stadium, just considered the best foreigner at the time.
jakub1980 5 years ago
I wonder how he kicked the shit out of so mant Thai champions then.. hmm : O
Sexums 5 years ago
EX-champions. He never won a belt. And so many? Waht about all the thai champions that kicked his ass?
jakub1980 5 years ago
Many rather...
Sexums 5 years ago
Man you really are a die hard dekkers lover... RELAX. All great fighters lose sometimes. Sak beat him, Orono beat him... And it wasnt because of bias. Sure, they didnt fuck him up, credit to Dekkers he is an awesome fighter and hard as nails. But its a sport, its judged with points...But even if there was bias, it was clear he lost those fights. And anyway, stop dissin the Thai fighers, without them we wouldnt have fighters of any where near Dekkers calibre.
Descenter 4 years ago 2
good point
gunpup 4 years ago
Well, your dead wrong, Dekkers beat a lot of so called champions and is considered a 8 times worldchampion in the art of muay thai.
rayheyheyhey 4 years ago
yeah but he's still not a lumpinee champion
yoshikirby 4 years ago
Lumpinee = World Champion. Ask any top muay thai fighter about what belt counts the most in Muay Thai.
wijse 4 years ago
Rayhey, Im afraid that Lumpinee Champion is the bigger compared to World Champion titles from different federations, Dekkers was good but the Thais will always dominate, Now a lot of fighters go to thailand and live and train like real Nak Muays so maybe someday.....
shadyeskimo 4 years ago
You know, when it comes to Ramon Dekkers, please remember he got "Fighter of the Year" award in Thailand. Now that's something! Thai will generally dominate because there are a lot of them. I believe there is more than 60.000 professional fighters in Thailand! Ramon was just brutal and he won most of the fights. In my opinion he really was the greatest in his times.
Gatokrk 4 years ago
Correction my friend, The award was FOREING Fighter of the year, You know The best NON THAI fighter!
shadyeskimo 4 years ago
wasnt it the point that he won the fighter of the year award, as winning the NON-thai fighter of the year award was obviously already acheived ?
T3T2U0 3 years ago
no no, that's not right....he was the first foreigner to win 'fighter of the year award' in thailand...not the 'best foreign fighter'..
thegreatwhitemaaori 3 years ago
I guess Id better make sure of what im saying is correct. Ill check it out.
shadyeskimo 3 years ago
ramon lost to sakmongkol. get over it. i saw the fight. ramon got dominated. who was hurt in that fight? ramon looked hurt and gassed. sak was still going strong. nuff said. quit hugging and start respecting.
VpY22 4 years ago 3
really?.. i've been dying to see that. Could you find out where to find the clip. Thanks.
muaythai4ko 4 years ago
to earn best point in MT, you have to master in grappling and knee. This look not dangerous, but this hit directly into your stomach and spleen. It could cause you seriously injured afterwards. Many thai fighter suffered these injures quitting their job, unless you don't want to eat anymore
ketting00 4 years ago 4
couldnt have said it better my self... dekker was out classed by a more well rounded fighter..dekker was very limited in his technique, he was an iron train moving foreward
jovossuck123 4 years ago 4
Excellent effort from two muay thai legends.
JM06UK 5 years ago