Myth: The government that governs best governs least.

[MirageScience]

May you should have a little more imagination as to what the saying means. It doesn't read "The government that governs best doesn't govern at all." It's obvious that we need laws, as of where or how we should come up with laws is a separate issue.

Libertarian's don't want to get rid of the military and police force? Are you fucking stupid? We don't want taxation WTF does that entail do you think? maybe NO MORE WARS? MAYBE? dumbass

[guidedmarkets]

@MirageScience Please stop posting here. Your histrionics don't clarify your point of view or give me an interest in helping correct your misunderstandings of ours.

[MirageScience]

@guidedmarkets why do i can about you interests on someone elses channel?

[Beingism]

@MirageScience Please find another set of videos to troll.

[MirageScience]

@Beingism yeah because my first post was a toll comment.

[suarezguy]

@ineptsegue As for ownership, it's very difficult to determine what proportional role people play in creating a product.

I don't see how the fact that luck plays a part in people's success means that the community has a right to take from people's incomes. It does have a right to tax people to pay for those programs that have and continue to help people to gain success, like education and roads, but not for other programs.

[suarezguy]

@ineptsegue There may be other immoral acts but I don't think they're so wrong that they shouldn't be allowed. Things you might like to do could also be outlawed and the society would be run entirely according to the opinions of majorities, rather than a society that didn't impose its will over people aside from banning attacks, theft, business fraud, which are objectively harmful.

[suarezguy]

Why should there be regulations aside from those that directly prevent harm to people? As I see it, physical harm is the only objective wrong; other things are matters of opinions that people should decide and act on by themselves.

Forcing others to join in your projects is a bad idea because it's better that people choose how to spend their own finances.

[suarezguy]

How does that justify regulations aside from against pollution and unsafe working conditions?

Saying that companies should be prevented from physically harm people is very different from saying that the government should meet every "social need" that a majority decides they'd like it to.

[suarezguy]

I'd like evidence for the idea that consumers can't hold institutions accountable. That they choose not to, at least not as much as you might like, suggests that they have different values and views than you.

Institutions and individuals can be unethical but for the most part behaviors aren't so objectively bad that they should be made illegal, rather people should be free to choose how to act and how to react to others' actions (the latter would influence how people initially acted).

[suarezguy]

Privatized systems would be held accountable by consumers choosing what seller to use.

[nocturnezero]

@suarezguy No, they're not; corporations can keep secrets. They can hide their nefarious practices and put a smiley face on their representatives so no one actually gets an idea of the environmental harm, monopolization, globalization, union busting, etc that they practice. A misinformed society is not a democratic one any more than a society plugged with governmental propaganda is democratic.

[suarezguy]

@nocturnezero Media eventually does report on many questionable practices and people can spread news to each other. It's not a secret that Wal-Mart, for instance, benefits from cheap foreign labor or that they work against union-forming.

I agree that monopolization should be prevented (although not by propping up those that can't compete) but globalization has benefits as well as flaws and people should be able to choose how much they want to support or oppose it.

[nocturnezero]

@suarezguy Eventually. Stories can take years to break, years of environmental damage, worker abuse, union busting, extortion, price fixing, what have you; I don't see why we should rely on the media or word of mouth to protect the environment and worker welfare rather than have the workers govern themselves so these practices don't occur.

[suarezguy]

The government can work to set up and maintain monopolies or break unions. I agree there should be protections for the environment, worker safety and against price-fixing. Yet today people want the government to manipulate prices on various products.

[suarezguy]

Libertarians don't believe in having no laws but only having laws that prevent unjust harm to others. The police and military are supposed to protect everyone's interests.

We thinks it's a bad idea for people to rely on the government and for the government to constantly expand. Money shouldn't be taken from and ostensibly spent for the public except when there's a very large consensus, even then it'd be better for people to decide for themselves how they'll spend their money.