Shtokolov was first and foremost a Russian singer. It matters little whether he was technically sound or not. What matters is the soul. And in the genre of Russian romance, practically terra incognita for western audiences, he was the best ever, Trust me, I've heard them all, including Petrov, Nesterenko, Gmyria, Reizen, Pirogov, Eisen, Shaliapin, Michailov etc.Christov and Ghiaurov had beautiful voices but their Russian accent was bad, which matters greatly..
The most amazing thing is that he, like Caruso, could not hit the high tones when young.There is/was no other singer with dramatic characteristics that could do what he was able to do. Most renowned lyric tenors would not dare to tackle what
Corelli became able to do. His tenacity and discipline helped polish his natural talents.
Carlo Tagliabue (baritone) was in my opinion king of the descrescendo. It really was unique. I have all my violin students study it with some examples which actually are here on youtube. Without fail they get a lot of comments on the beauty and control. I feel that Corelli has an excellent diminuendo but that it is not as evenly diminished as Tagliabue. There is always some slight change of vowel sound you don't get with the the latter.
See Di Stefano's 'Salut, demeure' (Gounod). There is also a fantastic example of control in Carreras in a recording of 'E lucevan le stelle'. Unbelievable.
When one sings Bb forte on a open vowel, rasonating the mask, nasal and frontal cavities and head. And to diminuendo from all these rasonance causes tension on the larynx. One can diminuendo to certain extent but diminuendo into pianissimo could cause the open throat to snap into falsetto or plain headsound. I think this is the reason why even the great tenors avoid on recording and especially on live performance.
@steakopera Damn right we do! Unless we can keep enough nerve to do some chest resonance transfer but slim, smaller guys (I am 1m83 & 92 kilos) don't get that opportunity.
Slim or small has little to do with chest resonance. Most of the great tenors, Del Monaco, Bjorling, Tucker and etc. They are stocky and small but their high registers all have well balanced head and a chest resonance. Without a chest resonance they wouldn't have great high notes. But yes, the baritones and basses are usually taller.
This is my opinion about diminuendos between "ah leve toi" and "celeste aida". One being easier and other harder. Why even most great tenor do not diminuendo in the end of "celeste". I have come to conclusion. Because it is bit strainuous and one has to rely on the thoat rather than sing through the mask.
If you are a tenor and actually sung or tried to sing these arias you'll understand my point. Some might disagree but I have listen to many different recordings and almost everyone of them diminuendo in "ah leve toi" and very rarely diminuendo in "celeste"
How fasinating! Where did you find that informaion? When questioned on the program "opera fanatic" I remember Corelli saying he was born with a natural ability for controlling dynamics. Of course that is nonsence as we clearly can hear him developing it throughout his career. I suspect he had some secret he wanted to keep to himself about his methods.
You can find some nice recording with lot of diminuendo from Miguel Fleta here in youtube. If you ceck "e lucevan le stelle" there is a version where he does an incredible diminuendo. Ceck also how he sings the spanish songs.. He's a monster ot techinique. I heard about him in a master class with Alfredo Kraus , when someone asked him: "who had a perfect technique?" he replyed:"Miguel Fleta in the past".. enjoy..
con tutto il mio rispetto ,ma se non sbaglio e la mia memoria e buona boris shtokolov era andrea bocelli fra i bassi e ha cantato 2 ruoli nella sua vita ! Franco Corelli era una legenda , era vero tenore lirico,come puo mettere accando di Corelli un basso con poca voce ,e chi e stato mai un cantante lirico? i miei rispetti
@bodiloto il numero de ruoli? questo non e importante...tu dici questo perche sei italiano(a) forse corelli e stato la piu grande legenda del canto, ma shtokolov non e quella merda que tu dici. Stokolov e un grande, benche nessuno lo conosce. E se tu sai lire "THE MOST CONTROLLED AND DYNAMIC VOICES EVER!" non dice que i dui sono uguale. i miei rispetti.
Corelli fu più che altro un autodidatta e, deluso dai risultati ottenuti sotto alcuni maestri, creò la sua propria tecnica studiando i grandi cantanti precedenti, ma il suo preferito era Pertile, basandosi sugli studi di foniatria del tenore spagnolo Manuel Garcia.
Fu però solo grazie agli incontri con Lauri Volpi che riuscì a prendere pieno possesso del suo strumento vocale, riuscendo a perdere quella caprinità nelle note alte che gli era valso il nomignolo di peCorelli.
I'v only heard Corelli and Bjorling make diminuendo in "celeste aida". Alot of the great tenors even Pavarotti did not diminuendo. Either sustain piano or sing forte or sing short the high Bb then sing octave down.
I find diminuedo in "ah leve toi" much easier than the diminuendo in "celeste aida." I think it is because of the vowels. One is e and the other is o. It's harder to diminuendo with open vowel.
hmm, interesting points you made. But I dont think vowels are universally easy or hard, it depends on the singer. For example I find e and a the easyist. I made these selections however not based on vowel difficulty, but on the magnitude of the dynamics displayed.
The "academics" have little to do with my view on voices, my conclusions here are my own. And you are doing Lanza a dis-service with such statements. It makes his fans appear ignorant to say "he is the best, dont bother listening to any other singer". Do you not think Lanza was a fan of Corelli and vice versa? And futher I do not appreciate comments that have nothing to do with the video I posted.
Thank you for introducing us to this great basso. I did not know of him before. On Corelli, yes those who do not listen widely and carefully to him do not realize the range of capacities he had--in his prime the tremendous support and breath control he developed and his constant search to test the limits of his own vocal potential make him fascinating to hear. The little aria "L'anima ho stanca" live and studio versions are precious gems of dynamic control, for example.
Thank you for that insightful comment! If you want to hear more Boris Shtokolov, he can be found all over my channel and on the channel of my best internet buddy:) -khankonchak
podelos citar a Pavarotti....Voz muy formada, lo mismo que a Bjorling, Tucker...Voces con mucho estudio, pianisimos NO FORZADOS, agudos ascendentes y descendentes, volumen controlado y modulado
Son un Verdadero Ejemplo de ATLETISMO y MAESTRÍA VOCAL!!...Hay que tener en Cuenta:- *lo difícil* que es para *Voces Caudalosas*, el Mantener la línea de Canto en los *pianissimos* (y los pianissimos en sí, ya son casi Imposibles! para ésta clase de Voces)-¡¡¡BRAVO POR SIEMPRE MAESTRO FRANCO CORELLI!!!- ¡¡¡BRAVO BORIS SHTOKOLOV!!!-Gracias MusashiTzu, por éste Didáctico y Bello Recuerdo!!!-
Both singers have marvellous control.Opera aficionados are all familiar with the great Corelli but I must admit I had no idea who Shtokolov was until khankonchak uploaded several of his songs here on Youtube.I was absolutely astonished at how a basso profondo like that could sing such beautiful pianissimi.And the way he utilized diminuendo almost to the point of extinguishing the note.I love Christoff and Siepi but in my opinion,Shtokolov is in a class by himself!Che bella voce,Bravo Boris!
Thanks for the comment! Another reason I made this clip is because I was sick of people calling Corelli a Brute who only shouts, I hope this video shows them his true greatness.
Some will always insist on emphasizing what he lacks with no reference to the many positive qualities he worked hard to develop with a naturally splendid instrument. Our best way to demonstrate what you have here is to constantly refer readers to posts that counter biased comments as well as to pieces Corelli sings with the qualities they claim he lacks. Thanks for giving us another way to do so. I do this for negative posts on Corelli, Pavarotti, Domingo etc--all have weak and strong points.
Shtokolov was first and foremost a Russian singer. It matters little whether he was technically sound or not. What matters is the soul. And in the genre of Russian romance, practically terra incognita for western audiences, he was the best ever, Trust me, I've heard them all, including Petrov, Nesterenko, Gmyria, Reizen, Pirogov, Eisen, Shaliapin, Michailov etc.Christov and Ghiaurov had beautiful voices but their Russian accent was bad, which matters greatly..
victorio1940 8 months ago
The most amazing thing is that he, like Caruso, could not hit the high tones when young.There is/was no other singer with dramatic characteristics that could do what he was able to do. Most renowned lyric tenors would not dare to tackle what
Corelli became able to do. His tenacity and discipline helped polish his natural talents.
He had the complete package.
Heroictenor 1 year ago
Two great singers, each of whom at his best had extraordinary control over his upper register -- God bless them both:) --
stevevandien 1 year ago
Wonderful singing indeed. BTW please allow me to say that Boris Shtokolov is an excellent bass, but not a basso profondo.
Thanks for this nice video.
Aetion 1 year ago
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soren476 2 years ago
Masters indeed! Thanks MT.
dngrbunny 2 years ago
HOT DAMN AT BORIS!
CatalinaDM56 2 years ago
Carlo Tagliabue (baritone) was in my opinion king of the descrescendo. It really was unique. I have all my violin students study it with some examples which actually are here on youtube. Without fail they get a lot of comments on the beauty and control. I feel that Corelli has an excellent diminuendo but that it is not as evenly diminished as Tagliabue. There is always some slight change of vowel sound you don't get with the the latter.
tadcastria 2 years ago
See Di Stefano's 'Salut, demeure' (Gounod). There is also a fantastic example of control in Carreras in a recording of 'E lucevan le stelle'. Unbelievable.
venetianmike 2 years ago
When one sings Bb forte on a open vowel, rasonating the mask, nasal and frontal cavities and head. And to diminuendo from all these rasonance causes tension on the larynx. One can diminuendo to certain extent but diminuendo into pianissimo could cause the open throat to snap into falsetto or plain headsound. I think this is the reason why even the great tenors avoid on recording and especially on live performance.
steakopera 3 years ago
@steakopera Damn right we do! Unless we can keep enough nerve to do some chest resonance transfer but slim, smaller guys (I am 1m83 & 92 kilos) don't get that opportunity.
parabat7 2 years ago
Parabat7
Slim or small has little to do with chest resonance. Most of the great tenors, Del Monaco, Bjorling, Tucker and etc. They are stocky and small but their high registers all have well balanced head and a chest resonance. Without a chest resonance they wouldn't have great high notes. But yes, the baritones and basses are usually taller.
steakopera 2 years ago
This is my opinion about diminuendos between "ah leve toi" and "celeste aida". One being easier and other harder. Why even most great tenor do not diminuendo in the end of "celeste". I have come to conclusion. Because it is bit strainuous and one has to rely on the thoat rather than sing through the mask.
steakopera 3 years ago
The reason I'm making these comments about vowel is because I feel that Corelli's best diminuendo is from "celeste". No offends.
steakopera 3 years ago
If you are a tenor and actually sung or tried to sing these arias you'll understand my point. Some might disagree but I have listen to many different recordings and almost everyone of them diminuendo in "ah leve toi" and very rarely diminuendo in "celeste"
steakopera 3 years ago
Corelli studied an old techinque for diminuendo from the spanish tenor of the 20' miguel fleta.
ceck some records, it's amazing.
principecalaf 3 years ago
How fasinating! Where did you find that informaion? When questioned on the program "opera fanatic" I remember Corelli saying he was born with a natural ability for controlling dynamics. Of course that is nonsence as we clearly can hear him developing it throughout his career. I suspect he had some secret he wanted to keep to himself about his methods.
MusashiTzu 3 years ago
You can find some nice recording with lot of diminuendo from Miguel Fleta here in youtube. If you ceck "e lucevan le stelle" there is a version where he does an incredible diminuendo. Ceck also how he sings the spanish songs.. He's a monster ot techinique. I heard about him in a master class with Alfredo Kraus , when someone asked him: "who had a perfect technique?" he replyed:"Miguel Fleta in the past".. enjoy..
principecalaf 3 years ago 2
con tutto il mio rispetto ,ma se non sbaglio e la mia memoria e buona boris shtokolov era andrea bocelli fra i bassi e ha cantato 2 ruoli nella sua vita ! Franco Corelli era una legenda , era vero tenore lirico,come puo mettere accando di Corelli un basso con poca voce ,e chi e stato mai un cantante lirico? i miei rispetti
bodiloto 2 years ago 4
@bodiloto il numero de ruoli? questo non e importante...tu dici questo perche sei italiano(a) forse corelli e stato la piu grande legenda del canto, ma shtokolov non e quella merda que tu dici. Stokolov e un grande, benche nessuno lo conosce. E se tu sai lire "THE MOST CONTROLLED AND DYNAMIC VOICES EVER!" non dice que i dui sono uguale. i miei rispetti.
weylwargot 1 year ago
@weylwargot Amico,
1io non uso mai la parola"merda"...
2non é importante per te quanti ruoli un cantante lirico ha cantato nella sua vita?
3Stokolov dal vivo aveva voce piu piccola di Ghiuselev,lei sa di che cosa parlo?non credo.
4Spesso sul YT mettono le voci di Giacomini e Kaufmann,Boccelli e Caruso insieme,la nuova moda hahaha
5Corelli dal vivo aveva una voce stupenda.
Stokolov dal vivo non si sentiva da 10 metri e quando parliamo della lirica non e male di sapere di chi parliamo e come...
bodiloto 1 year ago
@weylwargot ² Una registrazione amico é una dolce ILLUSIONE.
Durante una registrazione il cantante non puo cantare con la sua vera voce lirica,e obligato di cantare meno forte possibile perche?
Il microfono non "ama" le grandi voci,chiedi á un tecnico del suono ti spiegherá meglio di me...
Ti parlo perche vedo che sei giovane e per questa ragione ti rispetto
Io non sono italiano,ma per la lirica il mio cuore é ITALIANO.
Da 1958 vado nel teatro,questo anno ho visto dal vivo 130 recite.
Ciao.
bodiloto 1 year ago
@principecalaf
Corelli fu più che altro un autodidatta e, deluso dai risultati ottenuti sotto alcuni maestri, creò la sua propria tecnica studiando i grandi cantanti precedenti, ma il suo preferito era Pertile, basandosi sugli studi di foniatria del tenore spagnolo Manuel Garcia.
Fu però solo grazie agli incontri con Lauri Volpi che riuscì a prendere pieno possesso del suo strumento vocale, riuscendo a perdere quella caprinità nelle note alte che gli era valso il nomignolo di peCorelli.
Miauriceful 7 months ago
I'v only heard Corelli and Bjorling make diminuendo in "celeste aida". Alot of the great tenors even Pavarotti did not diminuendo. Either sustain piano or sing forte or sing short the high Bb then sing octave down.
steakopera 3 years ago
I find diminuedo in "ah leve toi" much easier than the diminuendo in "celeste aida." I think it is because of the vowels. One is e and the other is o. It's harder to diminuendo with open vowel.
steakopera 3 years ago
hmm, interesting points you made. But I dont think vowels are universally easy or hard, it depends on the singer. For example I find e and a the easyist. I made these selections however not based on vowel difficulty, but on the magnitude of the dynamics displayed.
MusashiTzu 3 years ago
forget what the academics say forget hollywood and listen to the golden voice that inspiered many the great Mario lanza
captianrat 3 years ago
The "academics" have little to do with my view on voices, my conclusions here are my own. And you are doing Lanza a dis-service with such statements. It makes his fans appear ignorant to say "he is the best, dont bother listening to any other singer". Do you not think Lanza was a fan of Corelli and vice versa? And futher I do not appreciate comments that have nothing to do with the video I posted.
MusashiTzu 3 years ago 2
Thank you for introducing us to this great basso. I did not know of him before. On Corelli, yes those who do not listen widely and carefully to him do not realize the range of capacities he had--in his prime the tremendous support and breath control he developed and his constant search to test the limits of his own vocal potential make him fascinating to hear. The little aria "L'anima ho stanca" live and studio versions are precious gems of dynamic control, for example.
sospello 3 years ago
Thank you for that insightful comment! If you want to hear more Boris Shtokolov, he can be found all over my channel and on the channel of my best internet buddy:) -khankonchak
MusashiTzu 3 years ago
Thank you. I have subscribed to your videos and will visit khankonchak to see the offerings there.
sospello 3 years ago
podelos citar a Pavarotti....Voz muy formada, lo mismo que a Bjorling, Tucker...Voces con mucho estudio, pianisimos NO FORZADOS, agudos ascendentes y descendentes, volumen controlado y modulado
FERNANDO GONZAGA( MEXICO D.F)
IlgruppoDiDocci 3 years ago
Son un Verdadero Ejemplo de ATLETISMO y MAESTRÍA VOCAL!!...Hay que tener en Cuenta:- *lo difícil* que es para *Voces Caudalosas*, el Mantener la línea de Canto en los *pianissimos* (y los pianissimos en sí, ya son casi Imposibles! para ésta clase de Voces)-¡¡¡BRAVO POR SIEMPRE MAESTRO FRANCO CORELLI!!!- ¡¡¡BRAVO BORIS SHTOKOLOV!!!-Gracias MusashiTzu, por éste Didáctico y Bello Recuerdo!!!-
laonirica 3 years ago
Bel esempio di tecnica vocale. belli entrambi da sentire. Grazie. Walter.
macciboma 3 years ago
Both singers have marvellous control.Opera aficionados are all familiar with the great Corelli but I must admit I had no idea who Shtokolov was until khankonchak uploaded several of his songs here on Youtube.I was absolutely astonished at how a basso profondo like that could sing such beautiful pianissimi.And the way he utilized diminuendo almost to the point of extinguishing the note.I love Christoff and Siepi but in my opinion,Shtokolov is in a class by himself!Che bella voce,Bravo Boris!
CraigFrancisSoto 3 years ago
Thanks for the comment! Another reason I made this clip is because I was sick of people calling Corelli a Brute who only shouts, I hope this video shows them his true greatness.
MusashiTzu 3 years ago
Some will always insist on emphasizing what he lacks with no reference to the many positive qualities he worked hard to develop with a naturally splendid instrument. Our best way to demonstrate what you have here is to constantly refer readers to posts that counter biased comments as well as to pieces Corelli sings with the qualities they claim he lacks. Thanks for giving us another way to do so. I do this for negative posts on Corelli, Pavarotti, Domingo etc--all have weak and strong points.
sospello 3 years ago
Always a dream of mine to unite these two in one clip:)
MusashiTzu 3 years ago