ONE'S MINDSET IIISSSS MORE IMPORTANT THAN GRIPPING A GUN/AIMING. 99.9% OF THE POPULATION DON'T WAKE UP IN THE MORNING THINKING: "I'M GOING TO KILL SOMEONE TODAY"
I'm new to shooting and am shooting a G22. I'm having a problem with control due to having small hands. Can this grip be adjusted to compensate for my hand size?
@shootingcoach Hi. I appreciate your video. It is very informative on proper sidearm stance. I normally try to hold my sidearm as you demonstrate with my weak hand. I have experienced the benefit of proper form first hand. Thank you sir.
well even tho Im a noob with guns, I thank you for this informative video. I do not know why some people can just stay quiet. I do understand a few trolls but for those people talking smack about his technique and how yours is superior or what not.. well all I can say is wise and professional people keep quiet while loud mouths keep blasting away. If his technique is wrong then with due time one will find out. Thanks shootingcoach the video was helpful.
Very nice video and I am a firm believer in the style your are teaching here! The one thing I am working on now though is shooting right handed with a left eye dominant approach. I am naturally left handed but am finding I am more accurate shooting right but I am concerened it could slow down my draw to fire time a bit.
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Ha Ha Ha nice!!! you deleted my comments. got ego anxiety? Got a better one for you buddy. Go to mozambique and use your limitless technique on the little afros with AK's and try not to die and land on your "a-zone" in under a second. Then youll have shooting credibility. and youll get rid of the shit grip when you get back as well (because it almost got you killed)
@macleod212 No, I got rid of your comments because in all the 30 comments you didn't say anything worth saying. Other than trying to say how you are God's gift to operators and shooting. While at the same time disparaging SF and S.E.A.L.s. The funniest part is that you are so dense that you don't get that you don't get it. You misunderstood what was in the video and didn't have a clue. You couldn't attack the facts so you want to attack me.
SPECOPS units have paid to learn from the top competitive shooters like Shaw, Leatham, Jarret and others. They all use this technique. I've shot with all of them and was good enough to be sponsored by several companies, win lots of matches including state championships and several stages at the National Championships. Those fact are indisputable, end of story.
@macleod212 thats not shooting credibility thats military credibility, no disrespect kudos if you really were in mozambique. shootingcoach thats how i was taught to hold a pistol and i must say im a pretty good shot. my buddy is in the navy hes an airman and im not sure what theyre teaching them but his stance and grip was ass backwards. just because your in a military branch that doesnt make you a sharp shooter or a hero. your the same person you are going into it. good video
@macleod212 Guys like you are a dime a dozen, always quick to run your mouth. So busy operating that you have nothing better to do than try to spread hate and discontent on you tube. The SPECOPS guys I know are all quiet professionals. Frankly, I don't give a shit what you think. I've got the trophies and DD214 to prove what I did.
Based on the videos macleod212 has uploaded via his channel, I would say you are dealing with someone that has the mind of a small child... you're wasting your time trying to reason with that one.
My dominant eye use to be my right, and I am right handed, but the vision went in that eye, so now my left is dominant, to compensate I use both eyes open to look down the sight, is there any tips for proper grip when using both eyes?
@kjz28 You should always shoot with both eyes open. Regardless of dominance, you can still only look down the sights with one eye; it's impossible to do otherwise. If your left eye is dominant and you're right handed, turn your head so the left eye aligns with the sights. Watch my Cross Dominance Video
Hi coach, where do you direct your pressure with the weak hand? To the side of the gun or pull back? Another person on youtube says to push forward with the strong hand and pull back with the weak. What do you think?
@mickeylehuynh Think about this: if you apply uneven pressure (or push w/one hand, pull with the other) to the gun as it is recoiling, it is going to move in other than a straight line. That means it will take longer to get back on target. You want neither push, nor pull but a neutral grip.
As you were talking about rotating the weak hand down to compensate for the neutrality, what does someone like myself do if I am right handed(strong hand) but my dominant eye is my left eye... How does this effect how I should be holding the weapon?
@PeaksGamingHD Jeez, now you're sounding much more intelligent... especially telling someone in another country whom you know nothing about that you're 16 and already more successful... yeah, you're real mature and real smart. Tip: Throwing a tantrum is not a good way to prove your point.
@PeaksGamingHD I have better things to do than go back and read the history of an ignorant person making comments on YouTube that have nothing to do with the video. I don't know what point you're trying to make by saying I agree with you... what's it matter? I've said my part, and now I'm moving on.
@PeaksGamingHD so if NATO is involved in a conflict, it counts as America being the only country being involved? Not much sense there... also, have you looked at the middle east or Africa just about ever? There's constant warfare going on in those areas NOT involving the United States, just not as highly publicized.
@PeaksGamingHD That's not exactly true. There have been wars all over the world and many of our allies have been involved in the same wars that we are.
While an expert in his own right, Mas will acknowledge that he is not the same caliber of shooter as Leatham, Jarrett, Enos, myself, etc.. He believes that what works for me may not work for you. I believe that there may not be one right way to do things, but there certainly is one best way. All of the top shooters in the world use this technique, there is a reason for that.
@shootingcoach People with a lot of muscle development experience their grip as not too strong, but people with less upper body strength--like top shooter Julie Goloski--describe a much firmer grip. This seems to be something of a blind spot for practiced male shooters. The right grip may well represent 20 percent of your overall strength but for someone else it may be 80 percent when they are just starting to shoot, or because of their specific constitution.
Thanks for the video, I am not a gun owner but intend to be very soon. I came here to learn as much as I can before I do. That said, I learned something I didn't know about guns. Not sure I like looking down your barrel, 2:20 though.
@NullusxVotum It's a gimmick. If it was so good, all the professional shooters would use it. So would the World's elite forces. I have seen quite a bit of stuff on it, but wouldn't recommend anyone waste their time with it.
@shootingcoach I agree. It's also distracting when you are concentrating just as much on trying to keep the slide from hitting you in the face as you are trying to connect with your target.
What if you are cross-eye dominant? So your shooting hand is right, but you are left eye dominant. Does the rotating of the weak hand make this worse?
I cannot understand why americans holding pistol with 2 hands. It's maybe ok at small arms hall, but in real combat... you just cannot grip a pistol with 2 hands in winter gear.. or driving a car... Actually, at competitions we shoot only with one hand.
I would need more information like what part of it specifically can you not do? What are the difficulties you experience and why? If I had a better understanding, I could offer a solution.
The problem I have with keeping my dominant hand thumb positioned ABOVE the thumb safety (springfield M1911a1) is that I do not always get the grip safety squeezed enough to allow the trigger to pull. This problem disappears if I place my thumb below the thumb safety. Any thoughts as to why this happens? My hands are fairly large, could that be why?
The problem I have with keeping my dominant hand thumb positioned ABOVE the thumb safety is that I do not always get the grip safety squeezed enough to allow the trigger to pull. This problem disappears if I place my thumb below the thumb safety. Any thoughts as to why this happens? My hands are fairly large, could that be why?
I'm just getting started in handguns, and haven't had any semi-automatic experience with handguns, but would there ever be a time for that dominant stance when the gun is moreso over your dominant eye and off to the side a bit more?
@TheTimCat Or you can just squint your left eye. I'm also left eye dominant but just squint out my left eye to force right eye dominance. Once you work on it you can even shoot with both eyes open and change eye dominance to the right. Just takes practice. You could practice by putting a target up in the house while safety checking a firearm and just practice aiming and such.
Also thanks for the tips on a proper way to grip a pistol.
Hi Coach, thanks for the videos! I have started training (8 hour class last wknd) with a .45 1911 and have had some wrist pain, shot a lightweight New Agent other night and had lot of flip --wrist feels beat up, do I really need a more relaxed grip? Won't my wrist be too loose and jammed upwards and be further beat up? From your description it sounds as though the gun should be sort of floating in the flesh of the hand, as much contact as possible--does the gun move within the hands? Thanks!
Your wrists should be firm, elbows relaxed. The key thing to remember is "neutrality" you should grip the gun only as tight as is required to hold it. If you grip it too tightly, your hand will start to tremble. I have a video on my site that addresses the wrists & elbows. The gun should NOT move within your hand. If it did, you couldn't have a consistent grip. Also make sure your wrist is in its natural position. Hope that helps.
@tommyyau221 It doesn't matter whether your thumb is touching the slide as long as you are not putting any pressure on the slide. That would qualify as "undue force". Your thumb doesn't have to be on the safety (except perhaps on 1911's), but you want your thumb as high as possible. The higher your thumb (and hands) are relative to the axis of the bore, the less muzzle flip.
Thanks for the info coach! I've noticed you've got a nice looking pistol you got there. May I know what kind it is and what brand is your Magwell? Thanks again and more power!
@hhmha1997 It's not necessarily a question of right or wrong. It is certainly less efficient and not the best way. All of the top shooters in the world use some variation of this grip. There is a reason for that.
You are the simplest and truest trainer i have come across for gripping. I am a trainer and that is the solution for most of my problem students. You are saving the day brother.
This got me thinking. This is nothing relevant to what I do. I keep my strong hand like you showed, but my weak hand is underneath the clip of the weapon. Is that okay, or is there a problem with that?
hi coach. what if i cant ride the safety, which i normally do with the 1911? because i accidently decocked the gun on my first few days of shooting a 9mm. ( Taurus PT917cs). any advice on how to adjust? i know its stupid to ask you this, but i just wanna see how would you do it. thank you so much for a reply.. btw, thank you for that vid, cross dominant eye. really helped me.
It's really a matter of awareness. If you're decocking your Taurus, it's indicative of gripping too tightly. Think about the amount of pressure you are exerting w/your thumb in order to do that. Your grip (including your thumb) should be relatively neutral, loose yet firm. Let your thumb just lay there w/out exerting undue (in this case downward) force.
@eatmeaters It is what it is. It's not as efficient as not having your index finger there. For the vast majority of people, it is counter productive because the finger comes off of the trigger during recoil. You have to watch a super slow video to see it. Also, it creates a tendency to grip too tightly and exert too much force on the gun because you try to grip the trigger guard tightly.
Hey, great video. I really appreciate the attention to detail you covered like centering the sights on the dominant eye and rotating the weak arm. I'd never thought of these as factors before.
good tips...(even though I don't use firearms :P) If I ever decide to own a handgun these tips would help. :)
I know this may sound stupid or unnecessary for that matter but I was wondering about a grip style that I saw in a game I was playing. (Splinter cell conviction) where he holds it at i think a 120 degree angle (i'm guessing it's 120) I was wondering if that is really a way of holding a weapon or was that just made up for "cool factor" I apologize if this isn't the place to ask.
Most things you see in any movie or video game are at best questionable and at worst ridiculous. That said, I've talked with a few chaps who recommend holding the gun at a slight angle... Not "gangsta" style, but with a slight angle. Allegedly, this is done in order to keep the bones of the wrist in better alignment than you'd get shooting with a normal, completely vertical grip.
Some of them claimed that it really helped in controlling the gun, but I doubt it.
@ThunderousWrath Ah ok..I was wondering about that. Thank you for clarifying.
Speaking of "gangster" style of firing I was wondering how the hell they hit anyone with that since the gun is almost always aiming toward the ground and they almost always hold it above their heads....or I could just be stereotyping.
Still, if they actually "went" to a firearms class we all would be in trouble...maybe...
@Firan25 Glad to help. For myself, I've experimented with holding the gun at the slight angle I mentioned, and it actually is more comfortable on my wrist. But I still recommend the traditional vertical grip. It seems to me that it's easier to acquire the sights that way, and I'll take smoother aiming and shooting over a smidgeon of comfort which, all told, makes no other real difference.
Hey coach, I noticed that your thumb is riding the safety which I believe is what most schools will teach these days as another measure of recoil control.
Do you think it makes much difference if you don't ride the safety?
@jimothy183 Depends on the gun. With the 1911, you want your thumb on the safety for a couple of reasons, not the least of which is to not accidently engage the safety while firing. More importantly, the higher you get your hand relative to the axis of the bore (the centerline of the barrel), the less the muzzle will rise during recoil.
@shootingcoach I remember those 2 reasons for riding the safety and they are good ones, there is no denying it.
However As far as I know some people find the "tradtional" thumb position under the safety to be more comfortable either because of physiological factor(s) such as small hands or because of the design of the safety on a particular model of a 1911.
So in your own experience and opinion is there a huge difference in muzzle control between the two positions?
Your a great instructor, your approach, demeanor and delivery of the info is right on target. I have been looking for a good coach and I have now found you. Excellent instruction.
When you fire the handgun, do you do it with the padding of the tip of the index finger? Tod Jarrett said its the correct method. Alot of people I know just squeeze the trigger with the joint of their index finger. Does it matter?
Depends on the pistol. If it's a single action auto (like a 1911), then yes. Others with longer trigger travel or double action, require you to use more of your finger.
That is an old, way less efficient grip. Most people don't understand that in the 80's a revolution in pistolcraft occured. It became much more of a science and more efficient. Those of us who were on the forefront then teach what is most efficient. Sadly some schools are stuck in the past. Look at all of the top shooters in the world (Leatham, Jarret, Sevigny, et al), they al use some variant of this grip. That alone should tell you something.
Do you have any tips for a person who is right hand dominant and left eye dominant too? Will this have a negative effect. the person i'm thinking of had their archery effected by this fact, have you encountered this problem?
@ToraJutsu01 I'm not a coach but I have found that you can shoot "cross dominantly" by holding the pistol with your dominant hand and rotating your head to the left or right so that your nose blocks your non-dominant eye from being able to see the sights. If you are left-eyed/right-handed then you would turn your head to the right and vice versa.
Shootingcoach can you also explain to all the gangsters out there how to shoot one-handed with the gun tilted sideways? Maybe play a bit of old skool rap during the video.
pulled out my beretta px-4 storm and tried what you were demonstrating. now i really want to go shooting because i feel so much more steady than i have before. ive been shown dozens of techniques and theyve all felt so unstable. THANKS FOR THIS
if im right handed will i lock my right or left arm? ive heard mixed opinions. im asking which you think is more effective or should i just go by personal preference
Nice vid. I'm glad you mentioned rotating the weak side hand forward. No one ever does. Something worth mentioning that you probably covered in another video is how to appropriately draw the weapon and present it while maintaining the proper grip. At the range I see a lot of people draw with a poor grip and then adjust before they fire. That is a bad habit that doesn't fair well in the real world.
Hey i own a glock 9mm n jus for kicks i turn it to d side and let off a shot, u kno like what u see on movies..anyway my question is can u grip wit both hands lik normal and not affect your shot?
this grip can be tricky on the sig because the slide catch is where the dominant thumb would otherwise rest. If you are trying this grip with a sig and the mag doesn't catch after the last round, check to make sure you're not riding the slide catch. Great video shootingcoach
Thumb is not too high, slide cannot "slice it". Firmness of grip has nothing to do with jamming. Again I do this for a living and get paid for it. All of the top shooters in the world use some variation of this grip. Seems you have a problem with limp lipping otherwise known as dumbassedness.
@shootingcoach Pay no attention to lyricsmything. I'm sure he calls a pistol's magazine a "clip" and prefers the 90 degree cant method of shooting because that's how all the rappers and movie stars do it.
After all, his homepage says "I rap and write lyrics, and also produce beets." Apparently he's a beet farmer too. Later
@SonyFoLife simple solution, don't limp wrist any gun. Massaad Ayoob says to squeeze the grip tight enough that your hand shakes, then ease off just enough that it stops.
@davidreefer The "Crush grip" that Mas advocates is much less efficient. Again, all of the top shooters in the world use some variation of this grip.
@shootingcoach Stovepipes are cause by 'bitch gripping'. As in the weapon recoils fast enough to grab the ejecting shell out of the air and catching in the breach/slide. By controlling the recoil, stovepipes are impossible. I use the same grip, and I too do it for a living. Just a thought though, I agree that many who suffer from 'dumbassedness' should just turn the weapon on themselves and do us all a favor.
@ChopperDoc181 Actually, they are not. Stovepipes can be caused by several things. I can take a Glock (the pistol everyone seem to focus on for "limpwristing"), hold it with two fingers and fire it without problem. What is really occuring is your arms/hands/wrists (i.e.grip) is using some of the energy that is needed to cycle the slide. You can get the same result by limp elbowing if it's done improperly. The point is that there is much more to it than "limp wristing".
@shootingcoach Yeah, I know what you mean. I was just saying there. Grip however is a key factor there too. I've seen it both ways. Someone not holding it firmly enough or allowing their wrists or elbows to absorb the recoil are all good ways to cause a stovepipe. Not that you would ever "want" to cause one. Nice video by the way, from one pro to another, keep it up. I was thinking about starting a series similar to what you are doing here. We'll see though ;)
@shootingcoach is there such thing as a proper form of shooting a hand gun or are there just different theories on how to shoot? I saw a german instructor shoot sideways tactically. That threw me for a loop.
@lyricsmything That is a little out of nowhere man, why do people always down others methods. Cant admit that different strokes can work for different folks, cause what works perfect for you has to be right(if it does than ROCK ON, use it, but dont diss others tech's)! Besides his thumbs arent getting sliced, theyre in a sense free floating, not SQUEEZING into the frame at all, and with most 1911's theres an extended safety to keep the slide from biting WEB of hand, never been bit in the thumb.
i shot a glock 9 today for the first time, don't know why the gun is kicking back so much like it almost leaves my hand. i think my hand positioning and sight is wrong. didn't know it would be so difficult
The US military, in fact, used to be trained to fire one-handed. Some forces are trained to hold the bottom of the grip with their off-hand and their dominant hand holding the grip with their finger on the trigger. Others are trained like how you just showed. It's all in preferance I think.
@n1b3luNg Not so much preference anymore. Although I did have a friend go through SFARTIC using the Weaver stance which the instructors only allowed it because he was shooting better than other students. Isosceles is the method almost all of the best shooters use including our most elite forces. It's just a matter of what has been tried, proven and become most useful currently.
hey i need help my dominant (right) eye is a little near sighted so that whenever i aim with it the sights and the target are a little blurry and i try using my non-dominant (left) eye but then the gun would be centered and not on the right side, then i try keeping the gun on the right side and using my left eye to aim while tilting my head to line up the sights but it gets uncomfortable after a while. wut can i do to fix it without wearing glasses or contacts or using scopes?
@BlacktailAdder35 Nearsightedness shouldn't be a problem. The front sight should be in focus. The rear sight and target will be blurred. Use your dominant eye, just keep the front sight in focus.
Great advice.
SagaraSouske 1 day ago
its more comfortable with a g17
UBAairsoft 1 week ago
WITH THESE GUNS U'RE RETARDED IF U WANNA GET IN A SHOOTOUT UNLESS U WANT TO DIE. YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH YOUR MISSION AND THEN CEASE SHOOTING.
Eleetnessful 1 week ago
ONE'S MINDSET IS JUST AS IMPORTANT A-
WITHDRAWN
ONE'S MINDSET IIISSSS MORE IMPORTANT THAN GRIPPING A GUN/AIMING. 99.9% OF THE POPULATION DON'T WAKE UP IN THE MORNING THINKING: "I'M GOING TO KILL SOMEONE TODAY"
OBVIOUSLY HAVING BOTH HELPS
Eleetnessful 1 week ago
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miemullins1025 1 week ago
Everytime i watched your video i can say i've learned something with regards to handling a handgun..Thank u very much again for posting it...
LeftySlide1 1 week ago
I'm new to shooting and am shooting a G22. I'm having a problem with control due to having small hands. Can this grip be adjusted to compensate for my hand size?
IlluisveMan 2 weeks ago
What if its a desert ??eagle
josezunigathaboss 2 weeks ago
I'm left eye dominant and right handed, would I have to change how I'm holding the gun, or keep it the same and bring it to my left eye?
AznAlacran 3 weeks ago
Good solid video on gripping a pistol. Same grip that I've used for the last 40 years.
JPBill2 1 month ago
Great video, my step dad taught me to use the same grip; he's an ex-Marine Marksman, so I support your video.
^_^ Let haters hate, and always remember that they're just trying to make themselves feel better while wallowing in their ignorance.
meisheaven 1 month ago
This video went viral on Yerevan
indseytate718l 1 month ago
@shootingcoach Hi. I appreciate your video. It is very informative on proper sidearm stance. I normally try to hold my sidearm as you demonstrate with my weak hand. I have experienced the benefit of proper form first hand. Thank you sir.
theduke502 1 month ago
well even tho Im a noob with guns, I thank you for this informative video. I do not know why some people can just stay quiet. I do understand a few trolls but for those people talking smack about his technique and how yours is superior or what not.. well all I can say is wise and professional people keep quiet while loud mouths keep blasting away. If his technique is wrong then with due time one will find out. Thanks shootingcoach the video was helpful.
MrUnknown10101 1 month ago
Very nice video and I am a firm believer in the style your are teaching here! The one thing I am working on now though is shooting right handed with a left eye dominant approach. I am naturally left handed but am finding I am more accurate shooting right but I am concerened it could slow down my draw to fire time a bit.
hlads66 1 month ago
Will the amount of pressure in your grip affect the recoil?
thedarkdomino 1 month ago
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Ha Ha Ha nice!!! you deleted my comments. got ego anxiety? Got a better one for you buddy. Go to mozambique and use your limitless technique on the little afros with AK's and try not to die and land on your "a-zone" in under a second. Then youll have shooting credibility. and youll get rid of the shit grip when you get back as well (because it almost got you killed)
macleod212 1 month ago
@macleod212 No, I got rid of your comments because in all the 30 comments you didn't say anything worth saying. Other than trying to say how you are God's gift to operators and shooting. While at the same time disparaging SF and S.E.A.L.s. The funniest part is that you are so dense that you don't get that you don't get it. You misunderstood what was in the video and didn't have a clue. You couldn't attack the facts so you want to attack me.
shootingcoach 1 month ago 16
The facts still reamain:
SPECOPS units have paid to learn from the top competitive shooters like Shaw, Leatham, Jarret and others. They all use this technique. I've shot with all of them and was good enough to be sponsored by several companies, win lots of matches including state championships and several stages at the National Championships. Those fact are indisputable, end of story.
shootingcoach 1 month ago
@macleod212 thats not shooting credibility thats military credibility, no disrespect kudos if you really were in mozambique. shootingcoach thats how i was taught to hold a pistol and i must say im a pretty good shot. my buddy is in the navy hes an airman and im not sure what theyre teaching them but his stance and grip was ass backwards. just because your in a military branch that doesnt make you a sharp shooter or a hero. your the same person you are going into it. good video
ChiggaNad 1 month ago
@macleod212 Guys like you are a dime a dozen, always quick to run your mouth. So busy operating that you have nothing better to do than try to spread hate and discontent on you tube. The SPECOPS guys I know are all quiet professionals. Frankly, I don't give a shit what you think. I've got the trophies and DD214 to prove what I did.
shootingcoach 1 month ago
@shootingcoach
Based on the videos macleod212 has uploaded via his channel, I would say you are dealing with someone that has the mind of a small child... you're wasting your time trying to reason with that one.
jnjoblon 1 day ago
My dominant eye use to be my right, and I am right handed, but the vision went in that eye, so now my left is dominant, to compensate I use both eyes open to look down the sight, is there any tips for proper grip when using both eyes?
kjz28 1 month ago
@kjz28 You should always shoot with both eyes open. Regardless of dominance, you can still only look down the sights with one eye; it's impossible to do otherwise. If your left eye is dominant and you're right handed, turn your head so the left eye aligns with the sights. Watch my Cross Dominance Video
shootingcoach 1 month ago
Hi coach, where do you direct your pressure with the weak hand? To the side of the gun or pull back? Another person on youtube says to push forward with the strong hand and pull back with the weak. What do you think?
mickeylehuynh 1 month ago
@mickeylehuynh Think about this: if you apply uneven pressure (or push w/one hand, pull with the other) to the gun as it is recoiling, it is going to move in other than a straight line. That means it will take longer to get back on target. You want neither push, nor pull but a neutral grip.
shootingcoach 1 month ago
@shootingcoach Thank you.
mickeylehuynh 1 month ago
Thank you so much. Very helpful.
mickeylehuynh 1 month ago
As you were talking about rotating the weak hand down to compensate for the neutrality, what does someone like myself do if I am right handed(strong hand) but my dominant eye is my left eye... How does this effect how I should be holding the weapon?
trab1925 1 month ago
This guy knows what he's talking about. Great vid!
MuffyThePomeranian 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
@PeaksGamingHD lol your logic is amusing. I'm genuinely entertained. Please continue.
newspot221 1 month ago
@PeaksGamingHD and you're a troll. glad we understand each other
newspot221 2 months ago
@PeaksGamingHD lol just because you called him a troll first doesn't mean you aren't the one trolling. Just stop dude. It isn't healthy.
newspot221 2 months ago
When is it proper to use this technique over the Weaver technique?
skeeter2146 2 months ago
@skeeter2146 Always as this technique is superior in every way.
shootingcoach 1 month ago
don't you just hate when ALL THE FUCKING COMMENTS are replies 'cause of idiots who flame eachother?
Bullshitnstufff 2 months ago
@PeaksGamingHD Jeez, now you're sounding much more intelligent... especially telling someone in another country whom you know nothing about that you're 16 and already more successful... yeah, you're real mature and real smart. Tip: Throwing a tantrum is not a good way to prove your point.
CheeseSteakJim 2 months ago
@PeaksGamingHD I have better things to do than go back and read the history of an ignorant person making comments on YouTube that have nothing to do with the video. I don't know what point you're trying to make by saying I agree with you... what's it matter? I've said my part, and now I'm moving on.
CheeseSteakJim 2 months ago
@PeaksGamingHD so if NATO is involved in a conflict, it counts as America being the only country being involved? Not much sense there... also, have you looked at the middle east or Africa just about ever? There's constant warfare going on in those areas NOT involving the United States, just not as highly publicized.
CheeseSteakJim 2 months ago
@PeaksGamingHD That's not exactly true. There have been wars all over the world and many of our allies have been involved in the same wars that we are.
shootingcoach 2 months ago
Masaad Ayoob says to grip the pistol as tight as possible until just before you start shaking. What do you think of that advice?
levelheadsteve 2 months ago
While an expert in his own right, Mas will acknowledge that he is not the same caliber of shooter as Leatham, Jarrett, Enos, myself, etc.. He believes that what works for me may not work for you. I believe that there may not be one right way to do things, but there certainly is one best way. All of the top shooters in the world use this technique, there is a reason for that.
shootingcoach 2 months ago
@shootingcoach People with a lot of muscle development experience their grip as not too strong, but people with less upper body strength--like top shooter Julie Goloski--describe a much firmer grip. This seems to be something of a blind spot for practiced male shooters. The right grip may well represent 20 percent of your overall strength but for someone else it may be 80 percent when they are just starting to shoot, or because of their specific constitution.
AndSendMe 1 month ago
whole LA should watch this vid
321dcba123 2 months ago
Its a firearm not a lemon, we're not trying to get juice out of it........ lol :)
cocainecola6d9 3 months ago
When you were talking about the thumb, I literally said,
"OOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH."
SuperMamat1000 3 months ago
Thanks for the video, I am not a gun owner but intend to be very soon. I came here to learn as much as I can before I do. That said, I learned something I didn't know about guns. Not sure I like looking down your barrel, 2:20 though.
mortsey 3 months ago
Very imformative video, like it. Thanks a lot..
fourthofsix26 4 months ago
Btw im joking...
dkbm95 4 months ago
Fuck this shit, im'a hold it sideways like a ganster so people no what im about....
dkbm95 4 months ago
Great video, thanks for the tips
DaBhaalspawn 4 months ago
Whats your opinion on CAR?
NullusxVotum 4 months ago
@NullusxVotum It's a gimmick. If it was so good, all the professional shooters would use it. So would the World's elite forces. I have seen quite a bit of stuff on it, but wouldn't recommend anyone waste their time with it.
shootingcoach 4 months ago 3
@shootingcoach I agree. It's also distracting when you are concentrating just as much on trying to keep the slide from hitting you in the face as you are trying to connect with your target.
NullusxVotum 4 months ago
What if you are cross-eye dominant? So your shooting hand is right, but you are left eye dominant. Does the rotating of the weak hand make this worse?
Vincerama 5 months ago
I cannot understand why americans holding pistol with 2 hands. It's maybe ok at small arms hall, but in real combat... you just cannot grip a pistol with 2 hands in winter gear.. or driving a car... Actually, at competitions we shoot only with one hand.
Scoutrussp7 5 months ago
@Scoutrussp7
Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that American Shooters have dominated combat shooting for decades.
shootingcoach 4 months ago 47
I mean how to pull the trigger?
satanism90 5 months ago
Hi coach, how to squeeze the trigger?
satanism90 5 months ago
Thanks Coach;)
TheDashHacker 5 months ago
I have cerebrel palsy and can't do this, any ideaS?
BoggleDongMongerFlog 5 months ago
@BoggleDongMongerFlog
I would need more information like what part of it specifically can you not do? What are the difficulties you experience and why? If I had a better understanding, I could offer a solution.
shootingcoach 2 months ago
@shootingcoach I have to hold the gun upside down
BoggleDongMongerFlog 2 months ago
This helped me Very Much. I am Right-Handed, but Left eye Dominant. Fwd pos. of R Thumb worked Great. Thx
SniperSmitty42 6 months ago
2:19 Thumbs up if he Scared the Shit out of you !
alexander2310703806 6 months ago 2
@alexander2310703806 lol it didnt scare me but I kinda leaned away so he didnt point it at me.
WickedNorwegian 6 months ago
Lmao @ 69Semiazas69
0780marco 6 months ago
damn guys hes just tryin to teach u somethin no need to dislike!! people these days
SuperDinkleman 6 months ago
maybe i'm black and i fuckin wanna hold it sideways. xD
69Semiazas69 6 months ago
71 wow this sucks sory cheap shot coash
sk8jake10 6 months ago
Thank you for the video. Very descriptive.
foxfyre841 7 months ago
Audio is completely messed up! :(
SirSmok3Alot225 7 months ago
thank you for your video. :-)
fourtrees44 8 months ago
Miguel nao sejas mitrado
andremartinsism 9 months ago
coach can you watch my tutorial on holding a glock calibur?>
blakeownzu 9 months ago
whoa! safety check! when you pointed it at the camera, I twitched... j/k lol
lenney81 9 months ago
The problem I have with keeping my dominant hand thumb positioned ABOVE the thumb safety (springfield M1911a1) is that I do not always get the grip safety squeezed enough to allow the trigger to pull. This problem disappears if I place my thumb below the thumb safety. Any thoughts as to why this happens? My hands are fairly large, could that be why?
Nerfball6 11 months ago
The problem I have with keeping my dominant hand thumb positioned ABOVE the thumb safety is that I do not always get the grip safety squeezed enough to allow the trigger to pull. This problem disappears if I place my thumb below the thumb safety. Any thoughts as to why this happens? My hands are fairly large, could that be why?
Nerfball6 11 months ago
I'm just getting started in handguns, and haven't had any semi-automatic experience with handguns, but would there ever be a time for that dominant stance when the gun is moreso over your dominant eye and off to the side a bit more?
mystfanc81 11 months ago
wow i guess their is a video on gripping a weapon....so many views........
DragonKid562 11 months ago
69 dislikes....... LOL
idkson61 11 months ago
Thanks for the video I need all the help I can get for the zombie apocalypse
bigjuice909 11 months ago
i shoot a lot but am relatively new to handguns..this grip feels very natural to me..thanx for great way of explaining it
arkee71 11 months ago
Hi coach, thanks for the tut. I have a question. How should I be holding a pistol if i am right handed but left eye dominant?
TheTimCat 11 months ago
@TheTimCat
You don't grip it differently, just turn your head. Watch my cross-dominant eye video.
shootingcoach 11 months ago 3
@TheTimCat Or you can just squint your left eye. I'm also left eye dominant but just squint out my left eye to force right eye dominance. Once you work on it you can even shoot with both eyes open and change eye dominance to the right. Just takes practice. You could practice by putting a target up in the house while safety checking a firearm and just practice aiming and such.
Also thanks for the tips on a proper way to grip a pistol.
ThePopeAndy 11 months ago
@TheTimCat. fix your eye!
Beejtheshooter 8 months ago
Hi Coach, thanks for the videos! I have started training (8 hour class last wknd) with a .45 1911 and have had some wrist pain, shot a lightweight New Agent other night and had lot of flip --wrist feels beat up, do I really need a more relaxed grip? Won't my wrist be too loose and jammed upwards and be further beat up? From your description it sounds as though the gun should be sort of floating in the flesh of the hand, as much contact as possible--does the gun move within the hands? Thanks!
AndSendMe 11 months ago
@AndSendMe
Your wrists should be firm, elbows relaxed. The key thing to remember is "neutrality" you should grip the gun only as tight as is required to hold it. If you grip it too tightly, your hand will start to tremble. I have a video on my site that addresses the wrists & elbows. The gun should NOT move within your hand. If it did, you couldn't have a consistent grip. Also make sure your wrist is in its natural position. Hope that helps.
shootingcoach 11 months ago
hi coach, if i am holding a big pistol.........
do i still need to ride to safety with my thumb?
my thumb is touching the slide
it is normal?
tommyyau221 11 months ago
@tommyyau221 It doesn't matter whether your thumb is touching the slide as long as you are not putting any pressure on the slide. That would qualify as "undue force". Your thumb doesn't have to be on the safety (except perhaps on 1911's), but you want your thumb as high as possible. The higher your thumb (and hands) are relative to the axis of the bore, the less muzzle flip.
shootingcoach 11 months ago
M1911's are the best pistols ever, i want 1 thats chrome
bentheweirdo 11 months ago
Thanks for the info coach! I've noticed you've got a nice looking pistol you got there. May I know what kind it is and what brand is your Magwell? Thanks again and more power!
johwj 1 year ago
Excellent video, just wanted to thank you for this!
mdrdrm 1 year ago
When im holding a gun i usually hold the gun with my right hand and i put the other hand right under the magazine? is that ok or it's wrong?
hhmha1997 1 year ago
@hhmha1997 It's not necessarily a question of right or wrong. It is certainly less efficient and not the best way. All of the top shooters in the world use some variation of this grip. There is a reason for that.
shootingcoach 1 year ago
@shootingcoach so in other words, it's bad but it's less efficient
hhmha1997 1 year ago
@shootingcoach
You are the simplest and truest trainer i have come across for gripping. I am a trainer and that is the solution for most of my problem students. You are saving the day brother.
Stingmni 11 months ago
This got me thinking. This is nothing relevant to what I do. I keep my strong hand like you showed, but my weak hand is underneath the clip of the weapon. Is that okay, or is there a problem with that?
TheDrunkenBoomer 1 year ago
hi coach. what if i cant ride the safety, which i normally do with the 1911? because i accidently decocked the gun on my first few days of shooting a 9mm. ( Taurus PT917cs). any advice on how to adjust? i know its stupid to ask you this, but i just wanna see how would you do it. thank you so much for a reply.. btw, thank you for that vid, cross dominant eye. really helped me.
andoybooger 1 year ago
@andoybooger
It's really a matter of awareness. If you're decocking your Taurus, it's indicative of gripping too tightly. Think about the amount of pressure you are exerting w/your thumb in order to do that. Your grip (including your thumb) should be relatively neutral, loose yet firm. Let your thumb just lay there w/out exerting undue (in this case downward) force.
shootingcoach 1 year ago
i usually put my left hand index on the finger guard, is that normal?
eatmeaters 1 year ago
@eatmeaters It is what it is. It's not as efficient as not having your index finger there. For the vast majority of people, it is counter productive because the finger comes off of the trigger during recoil. You have to watch a super slow video to see it. Also, it creates a tendency to grip too tightly and exert too much force on the gun because you try to grip the trigger guard tightly.
shootingcoach 1 year ago
Hey, great video. I really appreciate the attention to detail you covered like centering the sights on the dominant eye and rotating the weak arm. I'd never thought of these as factors before.
bob7el 1 year ago
wow now i got better in shooting in the police shooting range thnx coach
keeperofsouls1000 1 year ago
great no i can show my dad how to grab his gun...
PabloEmiliosh 1 year ago
Just one question Coach... "wheres your hair?" Great video by the way.
dmanbass 1 year ago
good tips...(even though I don't use firearms :P) If I ever decide to own a handgun these tips would help. :)
I know this may sound stupid or unnecessary for that matter but I was wondering about a grip style that I saw in a game I was playing. (Splinter cell conviction) where he holds it at i think a 120 degree angle (i'm guessing it's 120) I was wondering if that is really a way of holding a weapon or was that just made up for "cool factor" I apologize if this isn't the place to ask.
Firan25 1 year ago
@Firan25
Most things you see in any movie or video game are at best questionable and at worst ridiculous. That said, I've talked with a few chaps who recommend holding the gun at a slight angle... Not "gangsta" style, but with a slight angle. Allegedly, this is done in order to keep the bones of the wrist in better alignment than you'd get shooting with a normal, completely vertical grip.
Some of them claimed that it really helped in controlling the gun, but I doubt it.
ThunderousWrath 1 year ago
@ThunderousWrath Ah ok..I was wondering about that. Thank you for clarifying.
Speaking of "gangster" style of firing I was wondering how the hell they hit anyone with that since the gun is almost always aiming toward the ground and they almost always hold it above their heads....or I could just be stereotyping.
Still, if they actually "went" to a firearms class we all would be in trouble...maybe...
Firan25 1 year ago
@Firan25 Glad to help. For myself, I've experimented with holding the gun at the slight angle I mentioned, and it actually is more comfortable on my wrist. But I still recommend the traditional vertical grip. It seems to me that it's easier to acquire the sights that way, and I'll take smoother aiming and shooting over a smidgeon of comfort which, all told, makes no other real difference.
ThunderousWrath 11 months ago
Thanks a lot for the guidance Sir. Very insightful tips.
virendra24bangalore 1 year ago
Is that an SVI Infinity? Because it looks a lot like it.
nosas111 1 year ago
Great tips coach!!!
Looking forward to getting on the range and trying your tips out.
Thanks again!
captosmosis 1 year ago
lol i dont know why but when he pointed the gun at the camera i was expecting him to fire a shot
csugesad 1 year ago
Hey coach, I noticed that your thumb is riding the safety which I believe is what most schools will teach these days as another measure of recoil control.
Do you think it makes much difference if you don't ride the safety?
jimothy183 1 year ago
@jimothy183 Depends on the gun. With the 1911, you want your thumb on the safety for a couple of reasons, not the least of which is to not accidently engage the safety while firing. More importantly, the higher you get your hand relative to the axis of the bore (the centerline of the barrel), the less the muzzle will rise during recoil.
shootingcoach 1 year ago
@shootingcoach I remember those 2 reasons for riding the safety and they are good ones, there is no denying it.
However As far as I know some people find the "tradtional" thumb position under the safety to be more comfortable either because of physiological factor(s) such as small hands or because of the design of the safety on a particular model of a 1911.
So in your own experience and opinion is there a huge difference in muzzle control between the two positions?
jimothy183 1 year ago
is it possible to hold a pistol in reverse grip and fire it?
and if it is possible, are you less accurate when using a reverse grip?
calebmon 1 year ago
Your a great instructor, your approach, demeanor and delivery of the info is right on target. I have been looking for a good coach and I have now found you. Excellent instruction.
1antennaman 1 year ago
Hey shooting coach thank for the vid. I will applying some of what I learned today with my XDM 40...
istayaway1 1 year ago
When you fire the handgun, do you do it with the padding of the tip of the index finger? Tod Jarrett said its the correct method. Alot of people I know just squeeze the trigger with the joint of their index finger. Does it matter?
24Rorschach 1 year ago
@24Rorschach
Depends on the pistol. If it's a single action auto (like a 1911), then yes. Others with longer trigger travel or double action, require you to use more of your finger.
shootingcoach 1 year ago
i always thought that if your right handed then you hold the pistol with your right hand and cup your hand around the bottom of the gun.
is that a better way? or just for the cool appearance
TheGammingAddict 1 year ago
@TheGammingAddict
That is an old, way less efficient grip. Most people don't understand that in the 80's a revolution in pistolcraft occured. It became much more of a science and more efficient. Those of us who were on the forefront then teach what is most efficient. Sadly some schools are stuck in the past. Look at all of the top shooters in the world (Leatham, Jarret, Sevigny, et al), they al use some variant of this grip. That alone should tell you something.
shootingcoach 1 year ago
Do you have any tips for a person who is right hand dominant and left eye dominant too? Will this have a negative effect. the person i'm thinking of had their archery effected by this fact, have you encountered this problem?
ToraJutsu01 1 year ago
@ToraJutsu01
Cross-dominance is a common occurance. Watch my video on it, the answers are there.
shootingcoach 1 year ago
@ToraJutsu01 I'm not a coach but I have found that you can shoot "cross dominantly" by holding the pistol with your dominant hand and rotating your head to the left or right so that your nose blocks your non-dominant eye from being able to see the sights. If you are left-eyed/right-handed then you would turn your head to the right and vice versa.
iMagUdspEllr 1 year ago
@iMagUdspEllr might give that one a shot, thanks!
ToraJutsu01 1 year ago
2:20 Don't point that gun at us...lol great information video thank you.
TheCamoflauger 1 year ago
Good lesson.
murfguitar2000 1 year ago
Shootingcoach can you also explain to all the gangsters out there how to shoot one-handed with the gun tilted sideways? Maybe play a bit of old skool rap during the video.
Thx
PorchMonkeyPanther 1 year ago
i need tips shooting,i'm used walther p99
adlee3359 1 year ago
great video answered my question completely
Th3Wh1teSp4de 1 year ago
Good vid.
blackyblackblack505 1 year ago
how aobut for my elbows, should i keep them straight or bent? Which way will have less tension on my elbows?
kenng329 1 year ago
The Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC) teaches this grip in their Survival shoot class. GREATLY decreases recoil.
bjmar13 1 year ago
pulled out my beretta px-4 storm and tried what you were demonstrating. now i really want to go shooting because i feel so much more steady than i have before. ive been shown dozens of techniques and theyve all felt so unstable. THANKS FOR THIS
jacobidsc 1 year ago
This video helped me alot. THANKS!!!
bvscfanatic 1 year ago
if im right handed will i lock my right or left arm? ive heard mixed opinions. im asking which you think is more effective or should i just go by personal preference
ibanezkid07 1 year ago
Nice vid. I'm glad you mentioned rotating the weak side hand forward. No one ever does. Something worth mentioning that you probably covered in another video is how to appropriately draw the weapon and present it while maintaining the proper grip. At the range I see a lot of people draw with a poor grip and then adjust before they fire. That is a bad habit that doesn't fair well in the real world.
markquimby82 1 year ago
Hey i own a glock 9mm n jus for kicks i turn it to d side and let off a shot, u kno like what u see on movies..anyway my question is can u grip wit both hands lik normal and not affect your shot?
Underdogfore 1 year ago
this grip can be tricky on the sig because the slide catch is where the dominant thumb would otherwise rest. If you are trying this grip with a sig and the mag doesn't catch after the last round, check to make sure you're not riding the slide catch. Great video shootingcoach
seventyfive1 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
thumb is too high slide will slice it, and you grip the gun firmly, or else your more liable to jam from LIMP WRISTING or also known as bitchass ness
lyricsmything 1 year ago
@lyricsmything
Thumb is not too high, slide cannot "slice it". Firmness of grip has nothing to do with jamming. Again I do this for a living and get paid for it. All of the top shooters in the world use some variation of this grip. Seems you have a problem with limp lipping otherwise known as dumbassedness.
shootingcoach 1 year ago 115
@shootingcoach lol
Dresden1065 1 year ago
@shootingcoach
true
Thats how I hold my pistols, it NEVER sliced my thumb. been working for me perfectly
hi123456789011 1 year ago
@shootingcoach ZING!
boopboopbellybutton 1 year ago
@shootingcoach Love your response to the layman. Thanks for expert opinion. Hope this helps my firing performance.
ReprieveinMadness 1 year ago
@shootingcoach Pay no attention to lyricsmything. I'm sure he calls a pistol's magazine a "clip" and prefers the 90 degree cant method of shooting because that's how all the rappers and movie stars do it.
After all, his homepage says "I rap and write lyrics, and also produce beets." Apparently he's a beet farmer too. Later
jmk1a1 1 year ago 51
@jmk1a1...LMAO Bigtime!!!!! Nothing like a rapping beet farmer!!!!
williamLongino 11 months ago 6
@shootingcoach i've heard that glocks jam if you limp wrist them.
davidreefer 1 year ago
@davidreefer had it happen to me
thats why i stray away from glocks
well that and the fact that i've experienced much more recoil in glocks then in say 1911's using the same loads
SonyFoLife 1 year ago
@SonyFoLife simple solution, don't limp wrist any gun. Massaad Ayoob says to squeeze the grip tight enough that your hand shakes, then ease off just enough that it stops.
davidreefer 1 year ago
@davidreefer The "Crush grip" that Mas advocates is much less efficient. Again, all of the top shooters in the world use some variation of this grip.
shootingcoach 1 year ago
@shootingcoach Stovepipes are cause by 'bitch gripping'. As in the weapon recoils fast enough to grab the ejecting shell out of the air and catching in the breach/slide. By controlling the recoil, stovepipes are impossible. I use the same grip, and I too do it for a living. Just a thought though, I agree that many who suffer from 'dumbassedness' should just turn the weapon on themselves and do us all a favor.
ChopperDoc181 1 year ago
@ChopperDoc181 Actually, they are not. Stovepipes can be caused by several things. I can take a Glock (the pistol everyone seem to focus on for "limpwristing"), hold it with two fingers and fire it without problem. What is really occuring is your arms/hands/wrists (i.e.grip) is using some of the energy that is needed to cycle the slide. You can get the same result by limp elbowing if it's done improperly. The point is that there is much more to it than "limp wristing".
shootingcoach 1 year ago
@shootingcoach Yeah, I know what you mean. I was just saying there. Grip however is a key factor there too. I've seen it both ways. Someone not holding it firmly enough or allowing their wrists or elbows to absorb the recoil are all good ways to cause a stovepipe. Not that you would ever "want" to cause one. Nice video by the way, from one pro to another, keep it up. I was thinking about starting a series similar to what you are doing here. We'll see though ;)
ChopperDoc181 1 year ago
@shootingcoach is there such thing as a proper form of shooting a hand gun or are there just different theories on how to shoot? I saw a german instructor shoot sideways tactically. That threw me for a loop.
runhorun 10 months ago
@runhorun It depends on the system. Like the C.A.R. system, in which you assume a bladed stance (the gun is kind of sideways).
sgshaday 10 months ago
@lyricsmything That is a little out of nowhere man, why do people always down others methods. Cant admit that different strokes can work for different folks, cause what works perfect for you has to be right(if it does than ROCK ON, use it, but dont diss others tech's)! Besides his thumbs arent getting sliced, theyre in a sense free floating, not SQUEEZING into the frame at all, and with most 1911's theres an extended safety to keep the slide from biting WEB of hand, never been bit in the thumb.
reeseman67 1 year ago
i shot a glock 9 today for the first time, don't know why the gun is kicking back so much like it almost leaves my hand. i think my hand positioning and sight is wrong. didn't know it would be so difficult
wall1 1 year ago
Yes, but there are many techniques.
The US military, in fact, used to be trained to fire one-handed. Some forces are trained to hold the bottom of the grip with their off-hand and their dominant hand holding the grip with their finger on the trigger. Others are trained like how you just showed. It's all in preferance I think.
n1b3luNg 1 year ago
@n1b3luNg Not so much preference anymore. Although I did have a friend go through SFARTIC using the Weaver stance which the instructors only allowed it because he was shooting better than other students. Isosceles is the method almost all of the best shooters use including our most elite forces. It's just a matter of what has been tried, proven and become most useful currently.
n3xusunit 1 year ago
That's wrong. He doesn't hold it that way in MW2!!!
...This is a joke comment
XesLanaRm 1 year ago
Coach - What 1911 style pistol is that? Nice weapon.
illamental5 1 year ago
This guy has lots of good information
slavicsk777 1 year ago
Man you know what you are teaching! Grate video thank you for posting
jsdubon82 1 year ago
I have a S&W 4506. That's a tough pistol to get a good grip on if you don't have the right size of hands.
Agent1W 1 year ago
i should have watched this earlier today! juss came back from the LA gun club.
Mat2918 1 year ago
i made my girlfriend watch this...i think you know why.
verylazzyy 1 year ago
i am right dominant but it feels impossible to close my left eye so many times i have to lean should i just retrain to shoot lefty?
farvejets4 1 year ago
hey i need help my dominant (right) eye is a little near sighted so that whenever i aim with it the sights and the target are a little blurry and i try using my non-dominant (left) eye but then the gun would be centered and not on the right side, then i try keeping the gun on the right side and using my left eye to aim while tilting my head to line up the sights but it gets uncomfortable after a while. wut can i do to fix it without wearing glasses or contacts or using scopes?
BlacktailAdder35 1 year ago
@BlacktailAdder35 Nearsightedness shouldn't be a problem. The front sight should be in focus. The rear sight and target will be blurred. Use your dominant eye, just keep the front sight in focus.
shootingcoach 1 year ago
@BlacktailAdder35 Just get glasses.... Seriously, I wear contacts and I can't see shit without them, let alone see my front sight.
ApocalypticMike 1 year ago
we are not trying to squeeze juice out...!! so funny lol
MrAntares11 1 year ago