@moccomocca13 dude.. at the time, Knee was officially the "best" player. Even top guys in Korea said it. What are you talking about? Also NIN is much better than you think he is. During TDR, it was Knee, Holeman, NIN and Qudans who were top 4.
I watched the Knee vs MSR. Knee didn't get owned. He lost some matches, but didn't get owned. Getting owned is never getting your opponent below 75% life. Knee got close to beating MSR and has beaten MSR plenty of times. MSR always had to spam low moves to get a juggle combo. And Heihachi's juggles do so fucking much it's ridiculous. MSR did the same juggle combo every time, he never changed it. But that one juggle combo pretty much takes all of Knee's life. Knee didn't get owned, he simply lost
@NeoGodHand you know why i said he was owned??? msr is the only player that scored a perfect round with perfect 3-0 match against knee..... horrible juggles huh??? its mind games... he used that juggles because its damaging. its not about the way u juggle... its about what juggle is damaging enough to beat you opponent... i am a knee fan... but msr is like out of this world... just like umehara daigo in street fighter... just my opinion
I see. And yeah I did see that perfect round and match. Though the reason for spamming that juggle has a reason, it is spam nonetheless. But I guess you could say he was owned, in that particular match. MSR is a skilled player indeed.
happened after the 06 SBO. Knee pretty much raped everyone there expect MSR.
And MSR on the other hand got owned by Qudans.
Let's not be reminded that the SBO format is a joke. 100% life setting single-elimination in Tekken 5, 5DR, 6, and 6BR is a joke. You can't decide who the best really is...as seen by the scrubs taking all the top places in 08 with Tekken 6.
As for Knee in SBO and at JoyBox, even NIN admitted that year (2006), Knee wasn't playing at his best.
yeah? knee owned japan thats a fact... and there is also a gaming style clash which you can see knee owns qudans... qudans owns msr... and to all you knee fan boys including myself.. "MSR OWNED KNEE" yeah and the korean team with "Leedy,200won, and Qudans" OCV'd "one character victory" by a 1st dan paul player from japan in sbo dr.
Bleachended lool you for real knee isn't a chicken and your only saying this because of this defence match i used to watch all day to make my bryan become better and believe me he became better because of knee his taunt is perfect bdw and foward back punch is like a piece of cake such a fan of him and its true mr naps has a style of his own for me they're both the same :D
sorry to say but i really dont like the way knee play. running around, abuse grab, horrible taunt, running and wait opp make mistake. at my place they call chicken or no ball. try watch mr.naps match. he is really skillfull player. even he loses u find is worth it to watch. knee fan!! dont hate me.. just my opinion.
no walls makes him run around a lot(spacing) and a good heihachi opponent makes him play fairly safe, because he doesnt want a ewgf in his face.
abuse grab doesnt really exist at their level. beginners can abuse grab against eachother because they cant react to break it, but how many time did you see heihachi actually being thrown? (only once iirc)
I don't know what's going on but it seems to be an argument about how these guys are playing safe. In Tekken, knowing frame data is essential to being a good player, and these two represent the highest level of competition. The best players know, that right every time Heihachi risked the df+4, 4, he would have been hit with a JU due to frame data. This is the same reason why you don't see the elite spamming Paul's d+1+2 as ppl do on DR online. B/C Knee knows d+1+2 can punish with JU on block.
Same with the f, d, df+4..., in one of the other vids Knee fought holeman, on block, heihachi was at such a disadvantage that Knee was able to land a hopkick and take heihachi to the wall, that cost him dearly. Knowing your recovery times makes Tekken online and matches with the general players who catch on to a poke string a breeze because all you have to do is punish them on block/whiff, til they are too scared to play offense anymore. At that point you control the game unless they kno frames.
when you have two really really good players like this you are pretty much bound for a boring match. all blocking, moving and looking for one shot to start a combo.
sorry bout going off like that, i tought u were calling me a noob/ button masher.
your right, you can learn a bit from watching these. especially jugs that work in real fights. dont get me wrong, i am defensive at times but i dont think their is really any reason to be quite this defensive.
that was some solid play from both players. i think the Hachi knew exactly what kind of problems Bryan/Knee would have caused him and played it safe, he didnt overpoke and used the timer to stress Bryan out. Solid defense. Best thought out match i have seen in ages.
So you'd have rushed in and gotten beat down then? It's called defensive spacing. Pure pitbulling against a skilled player will only get you stepped/ducked and then you'll be in midair.
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It's called boring yeah i would have rushed in but in a strategic way but if I am fighting for a crowd Hell yeah i'll make that fight worth watching I don't recomend any of these fights to anyone
none of them use any sort of combos besides Air combos and don't say i am lying cause you can watch the video and see
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It's not retarded look at the low llved people who fight these tournaments they win in less than 3 mins but nvm what ever talk shit but STFU when you talkin to me I'm done arguing.
Haha the guy says "STFU when you talkin to me" and then "I'm done arguing". That's really smart. Look: if you really don't want to argue, then don't start it.
im telling it how it is. im not a noob at this game either, i pwn tekken lords on ultra hard on dr and tekken 5. im saying when you have 2 really good human players that this is how it turns out. no one willing to take a chance with riskier moves cuz of the risk theyl get blocked counterd and thrown into a jug or combo.
im not here to start a damn pissing contest so just calm the fuck down.
the fact of the matter is the dragon throw is now easy to unlock. also knee is a gud dvj in ut8 finals. he must have read d moves of qdns. d problem with dvj's are they had few setups. just relying on god fist and dragon throw. look at the low jab and low kick of qdns looks cheap to me.
actually...Knee improved immensely on his defensive game...Qudans just got OWNED...and has been getting OWNED by Knee for quite a few months now...The fact is Kai told me Qudans doesn't play much anymore...you can simply tell by the vids that whether or not Qudans' palm was injured or not, his spacing is really rusty compared to what it was before.
y do people make up execusies. come on know. everyone onez qudans is good but he just got rapped. i give props to knee for getting much better over the past couple months. i say knee = the new person to beat in korea
I am not making excuse mister. You can check the aftermath of the tournament summary. It clearly stated his palm was injured. Nothing to make excuse. Qudans and Knee both are top players, nothing to compare.
Epic , epic frickin epic!
RGScentral 1 year ago
I hate grapple moves.
Those are simply lame.
paddymoep 1 year ago
@paddymoep
You just can't release. Noob.
xGoodbye 1 year ago
@xGoodbye If releasing is possible every time, " Knee " wouldn't use grapples.
paddymoep 1 year ago
@moccomocca13 dude.. at the time, Knee was officially the "best" player. Even top guys in Korea said it. What are you talking about? Also NIN is much better than you think he is. During TDR, it was Knee, Holeman, NIN and Qudans who were top 4.
joshyhandy 1 year ago 4
MSR WHO???? Watch this
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zfk110 2 years ago
FUCKING NOOB>>>. watch part 1-3 knee owned baby
rielax04 2 years ago
Wow comments on a video should never be this long. Good fight btw.
2drc 2 years ago
I watched the Knee vs MSR. Knee didn't get owned. He lost some matches, but didn't get owned. Getting owned is never getting your opponent below 75% life. Knee got close to beating MSR and has beaten MSR plenty of times. MSR always had to spam low moves to get a juggle combo. And Heihachi's juggles do so fucking much it's ridiculous. MSR did the same juggle combo every time, he never changed it. But that one juggle combo pretty much takes all of Knee's life. Knee didn't get owned, he simply lost
NeoGodHand 2 years ago
@NeoGodHand you know why i said he was owned??? msr is the only player that scored a perfect round with perfect 3-0 match against knee..... horrible juggles huh??? its mind games... he used that juggles because its damaging. its not about the way u juggle... its about what juggle is damaging enough to beat you opponent... i am a knee fan... but msr is like out of this world... just like umehara daigo in street fighter... just my opinion
rielax04 2 years ago
I see. And yeah I did see that perfect round and match. Though the reason for spamming that juggle has a reason, it is spam nonetheless. But I guess you could say he was owned, in that particular match. MSR is a skilled player indeed.
NeoGodHand 2 years ago 3
the match says it all... i cant even see or feel the tension between knee and msr... face it someplayers can beat others...
he got owned get over it... but that doesnt mean he isnt the best bryan player...
KellysterOverdrive 2 years ago
BITCHEs... my comment was POOR?? -3??? hah!!! watch knee vs main street ryu.. knee fans its your nightmare!!!
rielax04 2 years ago
@rielax04
You do realize that Knee has been destroying everyone since that failed 06 or 07 SBO.
Knee has been on a completely different level since then. His only competition in korea was pretty much NIN.
Even Qudans has been getting his ass wiped by Knee, before Knee went to the army.
If MSR played Knee right now, MSR would get shit handed to him in 5DR or even 6BR.
I don't think MSR would even deny this...as a matter of fact, you're talking about those JoyBox casuals which
mugengaia 2 years ago
happened after the 06 SBO. Knee pretty much raped everyone there expect MSR.
And MSR on the other hand got owned by Qudans.
Let's not be reminded that the SBO format is a joke. 100% life setting single-elimination in Tekken 5, 5DR, 6, and 6BR is a joke. You can't decide who the best really is...as seen by the scrubs taking all the top places in 08 with Tekken 6.
As for Knee in SBO and at JoyBox, even NIN admitted that year (2006), Knee wasn't playing at his best.
mugengaia 2 years ago
NIN even said all the koreans pretty much expected Knee to take it all out of all the representing Koreans.
Knee was that GOOD even back then, although he had troubles with the atmospere and the sanwa/hori sticks.
As said by MSR after the 06 SBO, Qudans was probably the best in the world...only for that short amount of time.
Knee obviously had alot more to show, he just didn't peak at the time.
LOL...MSR would get bitch-slapped by Knee in 5DR or 6BR right now. Dream on kid.
mugengaia 2 years ago
yeah? knee owned japan thats a fact... and there is also a gaming style clash which you can see knee owns qudans... qudans owns msr... and to all you knee fan boys including myself.. "MSR OWNED KNEE" yeah and the korean team with "Leedy,200won, and Qudans" OCV'd "one character victory" by a 1st dan paul player from japan in sbo dr.
KellysterOverdrive 2 years ago 3
Bleachended lool you for real knee isn't a chicken and your only saying this because of this defence match i used to watch all day to make my bryan become better and believe me he became better because of knee his taunt is perfect bdw and foward back punch is like a piece of cake such a fan of him and its true mr naps has a style of his own for me they're both the same :D
matthewtonna1 2 years ago
sorry to say but i really dont like the way knee play. running around, abuse grab, horrible taunt, running and wait opp make mistake. at my place they call chicken or no ball. try watch mr.naps match. he is really skillfull player. even he loses u find is worth it to watch. knee fan!! dont hate me.. just my opinion.
Bleachended 2 years ago
no walls makes him run around a lot(spacing) and a good heihachi opponent makes him play fairly safe, because he doesnt want a ewgf in his face.
abuse grab doesnt really exist at their level. beginners can abuse grab against eachother because they cant react to break it, but how many time did you see heihachi actually being thrown? (only once iirc)
Vutii 2 years ago
whoa what??? Knee is in Triple V??
xRaize9593x 2 years ago
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beesnipe16 2 years ago
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Where is the skill ? i see 2 noob....
warriorsaiyan94 2 years ago
hole man is good! but main street ryu's heihachi owns knee!
rielax04 2 years ago
knee got owned
KellysterOverdrive 2 years ago 3
holeman is really persistant with hei beautiful :D
matthewtonna1 2 years ago
whats the name of this track guys
shaheersl 2 years ago
Shattered Dreams
from Tekken 5 Dark Resurrection original sound track
GORO911 2 years ago
knee is better than holeman .........
gcaee 2 years ago
knee vs Team "Nothing can be better than this"
maciejsoon 2 years ago
I don't know what's going on but it seems to be an argument about how these guys are playing safe. In Tekken, knowing frame data is essential to being a good player, and these two represent the highest level of competition. The best players know, that right every time Heihachi risked the df+4, 4, he would have been hit with a JU due to frame data. This is the same reason why you don't see the elite spamming Paul's d+1+2 as ppl do on DR online. B/C Knee knows d+1+2 can punish with JU on block.
AIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 3 years ago
Same with the f, d, df+4..., in one of the other vids Knee fought holeman, on block, heihachi was at such a disadvantage that Knee was able to land a hopkick and take heihachi to the wall, that cost him dearly. Knowing your recovery times makes Tekken online and matches with the general players who catch on to a poke string a breeze because all you have to do is punish them on block/whiff, til they are too scared to play offense anymore. At that point you control the game unless they kno frames.
AIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 3 years ago
i thought low parry b+4 was a guaranteed launcher...
dhtjlghks 3 years ago
that changed in dr.. in dr b+4 stuns the opp a bit..
JaKaRtAbOy917 3 years ago
only on tekken 5 but not in dr
rodge111 2 years ago
8 months, man...
dhtjlghks 2 years ago
my apologize, I ignore the date
rodge111 2 years ago
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boring..boooooring!
fpstylez 3 years ago
when you have two really really good players like this you are pretty much bound for a boring match. all blocking, moving and looking for one shot to start a combo.
snore....zzzzzzzzzzzzz
vader329 3 years ago
hows that boring???(if you really understand)
Or do you prefer seeing noobs use christie/eddy button mashing 3 and 4. or probably 10hit combo?
broodm 3 years ago 2
This is the art of "high level tekken"
Sho12345 3 years ago 26
@Sho12345 unggoy!! XD
marytifa 1 year ago
@marytifa Abno malamang sa totoong buhay bading ka no?
Sho12345 1 year ago
well, sorry i didn't mean it like that. but seeing these at least makes you learn a thing or two
broodm 3 years ago
sorry bout going off like that, i tought u were calling me a noob/ button masher.
your right, you can learn a bit from watching these. especially jugs that work in real fights. dont get me wrong, i am defensive at times but i dont think their is really any reason to be quite this defensive.
vader329 3 years ago
constant SS may increase the risk of doing some whiffs for the first person to attack
broodm 3 years ago
yea Heihechi rulez this is it !
mark 5/5 :)
Tefalson 3 years ago
wow this is a long fight why wont they just fight like for real they keep movin around
LiTeSkiN189 3 years ago
thats how pro tekken is played, if u dont move u get hit / lose. thought that part was obvious
Deepwoundjenna 3 years ago 2
that was some solid play from both players. i think the Hachi knew exactly what kind of problems Bryan/Knee would have caused him and played it safe, he didnt overpoke and used the timer to stress Bryan out. Solid defense. Best thought out match i have seen in ages.
Gungrave2k6 3 years ago 2
who tumbed me down is a idiot.
Holeman was superior in that match who don't agree don't know shit of tekken
Rape!
QudansJr 3 years ago
I guess you're a God of tekken aren't you??
Billyboy191 3 years ago
i just can notice when a player imposes his game
QudansJr 3 years ago
wow...nice.Heihaichi defence very well.
Very patient player.
geo1819 3 years ago 3
the music on this stage is just incredible, great fight as well
Jows65 3 years ago 4
damn... holeman's got a very gd defence! it was a very patient match
crimsonshade24 3 years ago 4
raped
QudansJr 3 years ago
holeman was amazin with heihachi.knee did some good combos.
BRYANMcFLURRY 3 years ago
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I hate dancing matches.
nickthebishop 3 years ago
then dont watch dancing with the stars
Sho12345 3 years ago
I hate to see knee lose in some ways.. he is a very awesome Bryan player, in face, best. How i wish i can play bryan like half of he did. T.T
drifter19 3 years ago 3
Cant Fuck with the mishima's nuff said
BrAnDoN919 4 years ago 3
good match. holeman is very good at avoid bryan's punches and kicks.
powst8 4 years ago
dose anybody know how to do bryans b,3,f cancel?
kkslida 4 years ago
ss .
PrinceNaseem 4 years ago
lol bryan is so pale you hardly se his face
k0rn134 4 years ago
wow...Knee lost o_O
JCrest87 4 years ago
Good match....
ataXia420 4 years ago
its finally good to see that KNEE ISNT FIGHTING IN THE ACID RAIN ARENA!!!!!!!!
deepgrudge 4 years ago
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yeah such lame fights dude they dodge too much kinda sissy like...
shazamofgondorsticks 4 years ago
So you'd have rushed in and gotten beat down then? It's called defensive spacing. Pure pitbulling against a skilled player will only get you stepped/ducked and then you'll be in midair.
DigiCount 4 years ago
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It's called boring yeah i would have rushed in but in a strategic way but if I am fighting for a crowd Hell yeah i'll make that fight worth watching I don't recomend any of these fights to anyone
none of them use any sort of combos besides Air combos and don't say i am lying cause you can watch the video and see
"hmm this is boring to watch"
shazamofgondorsticks 4 years ago
Yup... Except they don't fight for the crowd, they fight for the money. They want to win the money so they don't rush like retards.
Cyryl 4 years ago
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It's not retarded look at the low llved people who fight these tournaments they win in less than 3 mins but nvm what ever talk shit but STFU when you talkin to me I'm done arguing.
shazamofgondorsticks 4 years ago
Haha the guy says "STFU when you talkin to me" and then "I'm done arguing". That's really smart. Look: if you really don't want to argue, then don't start it.
Cyryl 4 years ago 10
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I think i told you shut up?
It's over
shazamofgondorsticks 4 years ago
I only needed to prove something. You have done that for me so there's no need to write anymore. I'm going to shut up now.
Cyryl 4 years ago
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thank you?
shazamofgondorsticks 4 years ago
shazamofgondorsticks ur such a noob...
TestingStrat 4 years ago 5
shazam, watching a moron rush in and get triple KO'd isn't fun to watch.
0rcryst 4 years ago
LOL. so you'll go for flashy moves huh? you'll see a lot used against you when you face better tekken players
broodm 3 years ago
wo wo wo
settle down broodm
im telling it how it is. im not a noob at this game either, i pwn tekken lords on ultra hard on dr and tekken 5. im saying when you have 2 really good human players that this is how it turns out. no one willing to take a chance with riskier moves cuz of the risk theyl get blocked counterd and thrown into a jug or combo.
im not here to start a damn pissing contest so just calm the fuck down.
vader329 3 years ago
YOUR AN IDIOT!
Shoureppa 3 years ago
long hard worth it work by holeman. nice job.
deathwish475 4 years ago
why the health bar so long?
PrinceNaseem 4 years ago
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cuz u fucked ur mom
lailum 4 years ago
Pretty sweet to see someone block the first hit of 1,4 with bryan and duck the second...then retaliate!
MasterOGA 4 years ago
Has Knee ever lost a match???
CUTWEST 4 years ago
of coz
PrinceNaseem 4 years ago
i like holeman's heihachi.. id like to see him play against mishimastar, who is a more aggressive heihachi...
SMPotatoes 4 years ago
well i guess your wish got granted. hole man played aginst mishimaster as a kazuya mirror match.
wkan015 2 years ago
qudans you dumb fuck! stop looozing dem it! quit the army, tell em your gay or somethin
tebonginc 4 years ago
tebongincs comment made me lol
0rcryst 4 years ago
Why didn't he use bryan's clip move? That's what I would have did.
shadowthehedgehogman 4 years ago
put yourself playing with the top 5 world players. you cant say what you could have done.
ikickflipstuff 4 years ago
I respect the skill (these guys are 1000x better than myself), but high-level T5:DR is boring to watch, in comparism to 2D, SSBM and/or VF.
IMHO
KikiDaiso 4 years ago
i would of been pissed lol.. Knee was basically taking them all, instead of the team being called Team army should be called "One man Army Knee"
david012 4 years ago
wow, no disrespect but..all the matches were won by either Knee or Nin. In other to win, you gotta have better teammates.
ActaFoolzz 4 years ago
the fact of the matter is the dragon throw is now easy to unlock. also knee is a gud dvj in ut8 finals. he must have read d moves of qdns. d problem with dvj's are they had few setups. just relying on god fist and dragon throw. look at the low jab and low kick of qdns looks cheap to me.
bsaballero 4 years ago
I like Hole man better as Dragunov :p
Jragon7 4 years ago
i like him better as Raven =)
burningshingo 4 years ago
actually...Knee improved immensely on his defensive game...Qudans just got OWNED...and has been getting OWNED by Knee for quite a few months now...The fact is Kai told me Qudans doesn't play much anymore...you can simply tell by the vids that whether or not Qudans' palm was injured or not, his spacing is really rusty compared to what it was before.
mugengaia 4 years ago
It's really hard playing against a bryan like that. With his both offense/defense all what you can do is playing so dirty as you can.
Billyboy191 4 years ago
so boring player heihachi..
lain010 4 years ago
Qudans lost to Knee both time, his hand was injured so he couldn't perform well.
yashinayytu 4 years ago
y do people make up execusies. come on know. everyone onez qudans is good but he just got rapped. i give props to knee for getting much better over the past couple months. i say knee = the new person to beat in korea
angeljintx 4 years ago
I am not making excuse mister. You can check the aftermath of the tournament summary. It clearly stated his palm was injured. Nothing to make excuse. Qudans and Knee both are top players, nothing to compare.
yashinayytu 4 years ago
That must have been very frustrating for Knee... a very defensive game there. Did Qudans lose to Knee??
bobbiness78 4 years ago