While I generally try to stay away from these, as Armed4Life07 and others can vouch for, I think my own two cents is required.
I am CDT Andrew Hill, Commander of the USMA Drill Team the past two years.
The team over the past three years has changed not only it's uniform and routine, but it's goals and attitude. When I first arrived on the team in 2005, it was how Mr. Hobbs describes it.
Thanks for the response. It's MAJ Hobbs, but who cares? I AM biased toward the old style, as admitted previously, but found Cornell '06 to be the best I had ever seen. Who was your unsupportive OC? Was it the Phunkadelic E (Jesse Easter?) I think you should get extra points in any competition for drilling in Dress Gray (I know you won't) simply because A) it's a bitch to raise your arms above your shoulders, and B) you get choked when you do.
It's good to hear USMA is winning some tandem, too. I took ind. ex. at Tulane in '96, despite being "old school". I think you hit upon a key point. Drill teams come from two perspectives 1) competition/athletic-this being JROTC style, all things done to maximize points in competition or 2)military-the team is a recruiting tool, and much of the mindset is driven by a military view.
The military view leads to questions such as: Why would you tape a weapon? You wouldn't, a soldier impeccably maintains his weapon so it will not break. A soldier has complete mastery and control of his weapon, so his fingers will never get caught in the sling.
It might interest you to learn why this mindset was so ingrained. Prior to my Firstie year '95-'96 we were forbidden from drilling in competition by the com. It totally sucked. When you're exhibition only, you're less likely to do things that would help you in competition.
Finally, I commend you on changing things from the inside. Those that refused to join because they didn't like the style were weak. Not the critic, but the man in the arena...
It was a precise, slow, very "Service Drill Team" style routine. And no matter how well it was performed ... was a 2nd place routine. The culture on the team was of disdain for change. Many great drillers from National Championship teams in the 90's went to West Point ... but did not join the Drill Team.
And after speaking to some of them, the reason was this general attitude of "we're better than JROTC drill".The team lost YEARS of great talent because of this exclusionary, elitist attitude. This was brought to my attention my plebe year, when I won 1st place Tandem at Cornell with another plebe ... beating the upperclassmen.
Because we went on in As-For-Class (the dark blue uniform), and our style of routine, we were not even acknowledged by the Officer-in-Charge (an early 90's graduate of the team). '07 Graduate Moises Jimenez however supported us 100%, and the next year under his leadership we changed the team to what you saw at Cornell in 2006.
The As-For-Class and beret was an experiment the team decided to conduct. While it was loved by the team, the overhead costs were enormous compared to the issued Dress Gray. That, and a few other reasons, motivated us to change back this year to Dress Gray.
The USMA Drill Team is NOT the U.S. Army Old Guard. We represent the Academy, and as such the team's goals are not the same as the Old Guard. We strive to expand and perfect the Art of Exhibition Drill second, and to professionally develop our members for service as Army Officers first. The team will not drill like SDT, or TOG. We will strive to change, adapt, evolve, and develop.
I respect your opinion Mr. Hobbs, but rest assured the team has much more talented, focused, and open-minded cadets now than it ever has before. As one of the last cadets to drill in the old USMA style and the new, I can assure you that what we do now is leagues more difficult (even in AFC) than what the team did in past years. Give the team a few more years to transition, finalize, and perfect, and you will not be disappointed.
Also, as you now, the team depends greatly on donations, and we are trying to set up a program where former members donate a modest amount each month. It would be much appreciated if you could help the team out financially!
Come on fellas! Let's take it up a notch! If you're on drillin' in a constrictive as hell Dress Gray w/bayonet, you might as well keep it in the barracks! I was at the very first Tulane the Whiskey Pete participated in. We were better than this.
I respect that you were a former Black Knight Driller but...have you seen all the other teams these days? Do you realize how much Modernized that Drill is today?
I assume by modernized you mean JROTC style. We strived to be all of the difficulty with none of the cheese. I know it's tough, but forget your JROTC roots, and rebuild the drill with all of the "ultimate" elements from the ground up. Don't rule out any "old school" if it helps you get to "ultimate" difficulty, bearing, style, etc.
This is way better than any old school USMA drill by a long shot. Difficulty means nothing if it's not precise, and I'm pretty sure your team back then was not near the same precision and execution.
In a word; No. In a phrase; You're wrong. I was at one, and I've seen the other here. Were you at Tulane in '96? Even calculating bias in, we were better. Better exchanges, more difficult throws, etc. All precise. And more professional, more like the USMC drill team or TOG, not playschool JROTC style.
Throws doesn't make a routine more difficult. How do you define professional drill? That is ridiculous. The Service Drill teams drill the way they do because they have a different mission, to perform for the public representing there branch. That is totally different from competing. You sir are ignorant. JROTC drill is obviously better if more college teams are adapting. Most college teams that try to mimic service drill team style drill sucks ass, period and it's proven.
I'm glad you know everything; now I don't have to know anything. What class are you? With your obvious expertise one USMA, drill, you must be a recent grad or current cadet. Have you seen the Cornell 2006 video. Exactly what I'm talking about, and a 1st place finish.
There's not much of a difference between those two performances, that 06 routine is still "JROTC playschool", and actually, is even more so, just done with the ugly grey reg uniforms. Oh, lets not mention they ONLY competed in ex that year, but wait...Nrowich competed in all events and still took overall and 1st in everything else. Plus the years before that and after Norwich has won Cornell. I know more about drill in general than you think I do.
You're not a cadet OR a grad are you? If you were, you would have called that uniform is Dress Grey. I'm giving my .02 to MY team, from my academy, of which I was a member for four years. Thank you for your advice and commentary; I'm sure that everyone will take it for what it is worth.
Ok, you were a cadet, big deal. Of course you're going to be biased towards your teams style of drill back then because that's the drill in which you were taught and brought up in. This is better, period from an outside perspective of one that's seen all styles and types of drill. So thank you for your arrogant attitude and clear ignorance towards drill. Good job dipshit.
I could name off JROTC teams better than the service drill teams. You need to be more open minded to other drill. The new uniforms fit the new drill, BETTER. So what if there is tape of the weapon, its very little, and helps if a slings comes open and a sling swivel breaks so the sling doesn't fly everywhere during drill. Bayonets are cool yes, but who cares, most college meets will not allow bayonets these days, plus USMA does still drill with bayonets for performances, not competition.
I do think that the Fish D T sucks, they dont do anything special only the single but spins all time. the only thing that amazes me is the frozen foot in the air-thing they do and the fact that they are like 30 people on their block. I have seen many routines and the best one has been the USAFA hg, but i think these guys look very precise but not like a team, like wyrmshadow says, they look like individual drillers, really good , but still individual, and uniform sucks btw.
How in the hell do you figure that they look like individuals? And if you have seen 'many' routines and the best one, to you, out of those has been the AFAHG, then I'd question who's routine's you've been watching.
Commenting on this actual performance, techincaly proficient, it doesn't have a WOW factor. It looks like 15 individual drillers. Hard to get that huge organic feel with such a small block. Like a massive centipede, contantly moving, but moving as one. And speaking from experience... these judges don't like Army style routines, no matter how good they are.
Good performance! Very impressed with the 15 man block. The as-for-class hurt you. I'd recommend India White w/ sash or parade belt, maybe W/G. The routine is a big improvement for sure, but there's a huge element of "this is what I did in high school" which may have also hurt.
To be honest, the 2005 SOCAL performance, if done with a 15 man block, would have beat this one.
Keep it up, I'm impressed that you pulled his off w/ the lack of support the DT has always got.
annoying.... well i guess that the cadence would be to someone that is not used to it. but it is very admirable what they do, all of them being freshmen and most of them never having any previous drill experience other than this year.
it was an honor being able to train the fish and seeing them succeed.
I don't understand how WP didn't place and UI did?
Everyone always thinks that A&M shouldn't win because it is not an east coast academy. The reality is that FDT trains relentlessly and first place is exactly what they deserve.
Great job to all the other teams though, it was a truly amazing exhibition.
I disagree... I was at tulane, Im on the Norwich Shock Platoon, and Im not saying that the Fish didnt deserve it. Its just that when I watched the routine I saw a boundry break and two dropped rifles and the fact that they took first in trick didnt make sense to me. I watched everything else though and the Fish were sharper than anyone in basic and inspection. I think that the rest of us just need to step up our game.
Annoying huh? You have no idea what we've been put through as a team. No other team trains like we do, it's unique. If you saw one of our practices you would know. Plus I know how we won, it's something that different about our drill from others.
That fact that it's different is what's annoying. I'm just used to the military fashion of West Point and a few other drill teams. If FDT appeals most to the judges, what can I do about it.
Well, its that fact that its different from other academies and other military marching styles that makes us unique. We put alot of hard work into our drill and our sophomores are great trainers and we thank them for that. But your right, it is very different from traditional military style but its our tradition that we've done it this way since 1946. Maybe not as old as some, but its just the way we do things.
Because the lawyers of all the academy moms would sue the USMA silly if they trained like FDT does. Or rather did...shhhhhhh... I didn't say anything.
yeah that 3 way tie for second was kinda ridiculous. but there shouldn't be a doubt on how A&M won,the fish just went out and did what they were taught to do. I really liked the USMA individual routine by the commander. it was hella sharp.
tell that to the graders who put us ahead of wp and tied with norwich. I agree that there is a different structure though. Their routines are much more based on timing and rhythm. The U of I routine focuses much more heavily on throws and exchanges.
and yah, U of I AF is terrible. I'm talking about Navy-Marine
Hate to break it to you but the judges at Tulane are notoriously bad. They had a three-way tie for second place solo X as of the last time I heard. The system is just not good and hasn't been for some time (back to '02 ish).
But congrats; I'd really like to see you guys sometime. Do you practice after the school day is over?
did anybody else feel that A&M shouldn't have won exhibition? I mean, they were out of bounds for half their routine/ripple bullshit...and they dropped weapons
I wasn't at the comp, but I've been hearing that A&M wasn't so great. I really don't understand why USMA didn't place. I haven't seen Norwich's routine either, but I heard they were decent.
Nah, I think it looks a little too high school. The uniform is good for individual exhibition, I guess. But as a team performance, I think you have to snazz it up a little. And besides, the Cadet gray tunic is key.
still doesnt beat the texas a&m fish drill team
muellr1369 2 years ago 4
this is the best ive seen so far!good job guys!
giomartin16 2 years ago
While I generally try to stay away from these, as Armed4Life07 and others can vouch for, I think my own two cents is required.
I am CDT Andrew Hill, Commander of the USMA Drill Team the past two years.
The team over the past three years has changed not only it's uniform and routine, but it's goals and attitude. When I first arrived on the team in 2005, it was how Mr. Hobbs describes it.
bodasivrak 3 years ago
Thanks for the response. It's MAJ Hobbs, but who cares? I AM biased toward the old style, as admitted previously, but found Cornell '06 to be the best I had ever seen. Who was your unsupportive OC? Was it the Phunkadelic E (Jesse Easter?) I think you should get extra points in any competition for drilling in Dress Gray (I know you won't) simply because A) it's a bitch to raise your arms above your shoulders, and B) you get choked when you do.
tobinhobbs 3 years ago
It's good to hear USMA is winning some tandem, too. I took ind. ex. at Tulane in '96, despite being "old school". I think you hit upon a key point. Drill teams come from two perspectives 1) competition/athletic-this being JROTC style, all things done to maximize points in competition or 2)military-the team is a recruiting tool, and much of the mindset is driven by a military view.
tobinhobbs 3 years ago
The military view leads to questions such as: Why would you tape a weapon? You wouldn't, a soldier impeccably maintains his weapon so it will not break. A soldier has complete mastery and control of his weapon, so his fingers will never get caught in the sling.
tobinhobbs 3 years ago
It might interest you to learn why this mindset was so ingrained. Prior to my Firstie year '95-'96 we were forbidden from drilling in competition by the com. It totally sucked. When you're exhibition only, you're less likely to do things that would help you in competition.
Finally, I commend you on changing things from the inside. Those that refused to join because they didn't like the style were weak. Not the critic, but the man in the arena...
tobinhobbs 3 years ago
It was a precise, slow, very "Service Drill Team" style routine. And no matter how well it was performed ... was a 2nd place routine. The culture on the team was of disdain for change. Many great drillers from National Championship teams in the 90's went to West Point ... but did not join the Drill Team.
bodasivrak 3 years ago
And after speaking to some of them, the reason was this general attitude of "we're better than JROTC drill".The team lost YEARS of great talent because of this exclusionary, elitist attitude. This was brought to my attention my plebe year, when I won 1st place Tandem at Cornell with another plebe ... beating the upperclassmen.
bodasivrak 3 years ago
Because we went on in As-For-Class (the dark blue uniform), and our style of routine, we were not even acknowledged by the Officer-in-Charge (an early 90's graduate of the team). '07 Graduate Moises Jimenez however supported us 100%, and the next year under his leadership we changed the team to what you saw at Cornell in 2006.
bodasivrak 3 years ago
The As-For-Class and beret was an experiment the team decided to conduct. While it was loved by the team, the overhead costs were enormous compared to the issued Dress Gray. That, and a few other reasons, motivated us to change back this year to Dress Gray.
bodasivrak 3 years ago
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The USMA Drill Team is NOT the U.S. Army Old Guard. We represent the Academy, and as such the team's goals are not the same as the Old Guard. We strive to expand and perfect the Art of Exhibition Drill second, and to professionally develop our members for service as Army Officers first. The team will not drill like SDT, or TOG. We will strive to change, adapt, evolve, and develop.
bodasivrak 3 years ago
I respect your opinion Mr. Hobbs, but rest assured the team has much more talented, focused, and open-minded cadets now than it ever has before. As one of the last cadets to drill in the old USMA style and the new, I can assure you that what we do now is leagues more difficult (even in AFC) than what the team did in past years. Give the team a few more years to transition, finalize, and perfect, and you will not be disappointed.
bodasivrak 3 years ago
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Also, as you now, the team depends greatly on donations, and we are trying to set up a program where former members donate a modest amount each month. It would be much appreciated if you could help the team out financially!
V/R
Cadet Andrew Hill
Commander, USMA Drill Team
Pride and Discipline
bodasivrak 3 years ago
As for Class w/beret - weak
Tape on weapons - weak
No Bayonets - weak
Saber Twirls - weak
Come on fellas! Let's take it up a notch! If you're on drillin' in a constrictive as hell Dress Gray w/bayonet, you might as well keep it in the barracks! I was at the very first Tulane the Whiskey Pete participated in. We were better than this.
Hobbs USMA '96
tobinhobbs 3 years ago
I respect that you were a former Black Knight Driller but...have you seen all the other teams these days? Do you realize how much Modernized that Drill is today?
RearAdmirel 3 years ago
I assume by modernized you mean JROTC style. We strived to be all of the difficulty with none of the cheese. I know it's tough, but forget your JROTC roots, and rebuild the drill with all of the "ultimate" elements from the ground up. Don't rule out any "old school" if it helps you get to "ultimate" difficulty, bearing, style, etc.
tobinhobbs 3 years ago
This is way better than any old school USMA drill by a long shot. Difficulty means nothing if it's not precise, and I'm pretty sure your team back then was not near the same precision and execution.
Armed4Life07 3 years ago
In a word; No. In a phrase; You're wrong. I was at one, and I've seen the other here. Were you at Tulane in '96? Even calculating bias in, we were better. Better exchanges, more difficult throws, etc. All precise. And more professional, more like the USMC drill team or TOG, not playschool JROTC style.
tobinhobbs 3 years ago
Throws doesn't make a routine more difficult. How do you define professional drill? That is ridiculous. The Service Drill teams drill the way they do because they have a different mission, to perform for the public representing there branch. That is totally different from competing. You sir are ignorant. JROTC drill is obviously better if more college teams are adapting. Most college teams that try to mimic service drill team style drill sucks ass, period and it's proven.
Armed4Life07 3 years ago
I'm glad you know everything; now I don't have to know anything. What class are you? With your obvious expertise one USMA, drill, you must be a recent grad or current cadet. Have you seen the Cornell 2006 video. Exactly what I'm talking about, and a 1st place finish.
tobinhobbs 3 years ago
There's not much of a difference between those two performances, that 06 routine is still "JROTC playschool", and actually, is even more so, just done with the ugly grey reg uniforms. Oh, lets not mention they ONLY competed in ex that year, but wait...Nrowich competed in all events and still took overall and 1st in everything else. Plus the years before that and after Norwich has won Cornell. I know more about drill in general than you think I do.
Armed4Life07 3 years ago
You're not a cadet OR a grad are you? If you were, you would have called that uniform is Dress Grey. I'm giving my .02 to MY team, from my academy, of which I was a member for four years. Thank you for your advice and commentary; I'm sure that everyone will take it for what it is worth.
tobinhobbs 3 years ago
Ok, you were a cadet, big deal. Of course you're going to be biased towards your teams style of drill back then because that's the drill in which you were taught and brought up in. This is better, period from an outside perspective of one that's seen all styles and types of drill. So thank you for your arrogant attitude and clear ignorance towards drill. Good job dipshit.
Armed4Life07 3 years ago
As the legendary Ron Burgundy would say, "stay classy San Diego."
tobinhobbs 3 years ago
Bottom line, USMA today is the best college drill team, along with Norwich. Things change, and usually for the better.
Armed4Life07 3 years ago
I could name off JROTC teams better than the service drill teams. You need to be more open minded to other drill. The new uniforms fit the new drill, BETTER. So what if there is tape of the weapon, its very little, and helps if a slings comes open and a sling swivel breaks so the sling doesn't fly everywhere during drill. Bayonets are cool yes, but who cares, most college meets will not allow bayonets these days, plus USMA does still drill with bayonets for performances, not competition.
Armed4Life07 3 years ago
I do think that the Fish D T sucks, they dont do anything special only the single but spins all time. the only thing that amazes me is the frozen foot in the air-thing they do and the fact that they are like 30 people on their block. I have seen many routines and the best one has been the USAFA hg, but i think these guys look very precise but not like a team, like wyrmshadow says, they look like individual drillers, really good , but still individual, and uniform sucks btw.
fdosaq 3 years ago
Your opinion sucks.
RearAdmirel 3 years ago 2
How in the hell do you figure that they look like individuals? And if you have seen 'many' routines and the best one, to you, out of those has been the AFAHG, then I'd question who's routine's you've been watching.
Koenig42 3 years ago
Commenting on this actual performance, techincaly proficient, it doesn't have a WOW factor. It looks like 15 individual drillers. Hard to get that huge organic feel with such a small block. Like a massive centipede, contantly moving, but moving as one. And speaking from experience... these judges don't like Army style routines, no matter how good they are.
Wyrmshadow 3 years ago
Good performance! Very impressed with the 15 man block. The as-for-class hurt you. I'd recommend India White w/ sash or parade belt, maybe W/G. The routine is a big improvement for sure, but there's a huge element of "this is what I did in high school" which may have also hurt.
To be honest, the 2005 SOCAL performance, if done with a 15 man block, would have beat this one.
Keep it up, I'm impressed that you pulled his off w/ the lack of support the DT has always got.
CL '99
brocksdad 3 years ago
O shit, West Point DT is bigger than it was 06. Its a 15+1 man team!
RearAdmirel 3 years ago
Well I deeply apologize for my statement.
RearAdmirel 4 years ago
annoying.... well i guess that the cadence would be to someone that is not used to it. but it is very admirable what they do, all of them being freshmen and most of them never having any previous drill experience other than this year.
it was an honor being able to train the fish and seeing them succeed.
ltdan88 4 years ago
I don't understand how WP didn't place and UI did?
Everyone always thinks that A&M shouldn't win because it is not an east coast academy. The reality is that FDT trains relentlessly and first place is exactly what they deserve.
Great job to all the other teams though, it was a truly amazing exhibition.
aggieAMC 4 years ago
I disagree... I was at tulane, Im on the Norwich Shock Platoon, and Im not saying that the Fish didnt deserve it. Its just that when I watched the routine I saw a boundry break and two dropped rifles and the fact that they took first in trick didnt make sense to me. I watched everything else though and the Fish were sharper than anyone in basic and inspection. I think that the rest of us just need to step up our game.
levisosa 3 years ago
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I watched The Fish Drill Team, they're really annoying. Not sure how West Point or Norwich Lose to them. Esp West Point.
RearAdmirel 4 years ago
Put it this way. If FDT's routine was done with a 9-man or even 12-man team, would they have won?
Personally, I think not.
bryantaa 4 years ago 2
Do you think it would look the same with a 9 or 12 man block? Or do you even think we'd try and do the same routine with a block that small?
bigtruckguy3500 3 years ago
Annoying huh? You have no idea what we've been put through as a team. No other team trains like we do, it's unique. If you saw one of our practices you would know. Plus I know how we won, it's something that different about our drill from others.
chucklebob89 4 years ago 3
That fact that it's different is what's annoying. I'm just used to the military fashion of West Point and a few other drill teams. If FDT appeals most to the judges, what can I do about it.
RearAdmirel 4 years ago
Well, its that fact that its different from other academies and other military marching styles that makes us unique. We put alot of hard work into our drill and our sophomores are great trainers and we thank them for that. But your right, it is very different from traditional military style but its our tradition that we've done it this way since 1946. Maybe not as old as some, but its just the way we do things.
chucklebob89 3 years ago
28+1 Thats alot of members on a drill team. Im curious why West Point isn't like Fish Drill tho.
RearAdmirel 3 years ago
Because the lawyers of all the academy moms would sue the USMA silly if they trained like FDT does. Or rather did...shhhhhhh... I didn't say anything.
Wyrmshadow 3 years ago
@Wyrmshadow what? why what do you mean, lol yeah..... it's awesome.
Blademaster865 10 months ago
wtf I'm just stating the same thing everyone else thinks. I didn't say FDT suck did I??
RearAdmirel 3 years ago
yeah that 3 way tie for second was kinda ridiculous. but there shouldn't be a doubt on how A&M won,the fish just went out and did what they were taught to do. I really liked the USMA individual routine by the commander. it was hella sharp.
ltdan88 4 years ago
the real team was at the bottom of the screen! GIG EM AGGIES!!! WHOOP!!!
texandriller 4 years ago
We'll be at the Villanova meet, which is the same day of the Illinois meet. Are you the guy at the armory always practicing solo?
emiller4 4 years ago
U of I Drill Team practices monday wednesday and friday from 12-1 at the Armory
emiller4 4 years ago
Ah damn...Right in the middle of a class. :(
When is your next meet? I'll definitely be at the U of I meet to spectate.
MWDrill 4 years ago
tell that to the graders who put us ahead of wp and tied with norwich. I agree that there is a different structure though. Their routines are much more based on timing and rhythm. The U of I routine focuses much more heavily on throws and exchanges.
and yah, U of I AF is terrible. I'm talking about Navy-Marine
MattFS37 4 years ago
Hate to break it to you but the judges at Tulane are notoriously bad. They had a three-way tie for second place solo X as of the last time I heard. The system is just not good and hasn't been for some time (back to '02 ish).
But congrats; I'd really like to see you guys sometime. Do you practice after the school day is over?
MWDrill 4 years ago
U of I had hands down the best routine. Way more throws and exchanges than anybody else. They tied with Norwich for 2nd, but should have taken it.
MattFS37 4 years ago
Video?
bryantaa 4 years ago
No way. No way in heck. As a U of I student...No way.
MWDrill 4 years ago
You guys are good but Norwich and WP are both drilling on a different level with a different structure.
Then again, the only team I've been seeing much of is the AFROTC team that practices on Monday...I haven't seen the Navy team since last year.
MWDrill 4 years ago
that was one badass drill routine, too bad i missed it by a couple minutes because of the stupid parking on St. Charles!
deangelis07 4 years ago
did anybody else feel that A&M shouldn't have won exhibition? I mean, they were out of bounds for half their routine/ripple bullshit...and they dropped weapons
that's my opinion
jpfull5026 4 years ago
I wasn't at the comp, but I've been hearing that A&M wasn't so great. I really don't understand why USMA didn't place. I haven't seen Norwich's routine either, but I heard they were decent.
bryantaa 4 years ago
It's over and done with. Don't be a poor sport. :)
MWDrill 4 years ago
I completely agree I was there on the Norwich Shock Platoon and I dont understand how A&M won... and how USMA didnt place either
levisosa 4 years ago
Where are Norwich's videos?
bryantaa 4 years ago
Seriously, what's up with the change in uniform?
bryantaa 4 years ago
I really like this change. The white shirts, not so much. The black is sleek and classy.
MWDrill 4 years ago
Nah, I think it looks a little too high school. The uniform is good for individual exhibition, I guess. But as a team performance, I think you have to snazz it up a little. And besides, the Cadet gray tunic is key.
bryantaa 4 years ago
very very nice.
JMHSDRILL 4 years ago
Beautiful as usual!
spinsanity 4 years ago
GET IT USMA! AWESOME JOB! I'm assuming one Mr. Boda Sivrak runs this account? :P Will you guys be in Daytona again?
MWDrill 4 years ago