M2TW Multiplayer Battle Holy Roman Empire vs Venice (Pike and Shot Renaissance Battle)

[TheRomanRuler]

Quess whats wrong with you formation? If you enemy flank you with his inf, you must take you inf against them, and formation brakes.

[AcoDaGr8]

@TheRomanRuler

I disagree. That's why the ranks of the Imperial Knights and the Landsknecht are overlapping. The Imperials can turn and face the other way or to the side while the pikes buy time and hold the enemy off. Plus don't forget the two units of Zweihander in reserve - they are the first to move in action if my opponent tries to overpower a wing with inf (actually take a close look at my left in this battle me opponent tried to do exactly that but the line did hold).

Cheers

[TheRomanRuler]

@AcoDaGr8 hmm. I see you point

[infokemp]

@AcoDaGr8 Are you in effect describing a similar formation structure to the Roman legionary checker board system?

[AcoDaGr8]

@infokemp @infokemp

Not quite. It's a straight pike line overlapping with heavy infantry, with arqs in front, some inf in reserve, reiters on one wing and heavy cav on the other. It needs some micromanagement but it's great, very versitile and tough to punch a hole through.

BTW, if you have the time, please do check some of the newer vids from my playlist. They are in HD, with voice commentary and most importantly the tactics used here have... "evolved" a bit ;)

Cheers

[Spjungen]

@AcoDaGr8 It's appalling just how utterly weak the dismounted imperials are...they get routed in mere seconds. As cool as they look, they really don't deliver the goods.

[AcoDaGr8]

@Spjungen Left alone they suck badly. Infact, if your just need some good old backbone infantry DFK is what you need when playing as the HRE. Just one defence difference between them and the DCK and Armoured Swordsmen - i'd say they can get the job done.

[Spjungen]

@AcoDaGr8 But doesn't that AP attack count for something at least? =/

And I dunno, I've become convinced at this point that there's more to it than stats...I've engaged armored swordsmen against up-armored dismounted feudals in a one-on-one and the swordsmen managed to win, so I dunno...

I just wish HRE had a good unique backbone unit. Like if for instance the dismounted imperials had the same stats as dismounted chivalrics but still had their armor piercing that would be PERFECT

[AcoDaGr8]

@Spjungen

It counts for something but it doesn't even the low stats out. The real weapon of the HRE are the Tetonic Knights - with AP secondary they can become real killing machines.

[Spjungen]

@AcoDaGr8 True true. I've had great experience with them fighting other cav =P

They are a bit pricey but you know you're getting the best of the best. Plus they just look great ;D

[AcoDaGr8]

@Spjungen

Just for the "looks" - check out the Ritterbruder in Kingdoms...

[hochmeisterjer]

tried my trick didn't ya :P

good work :D

[AcoDaGr8]

@hochmeisterjer Finally actually. I chickened out of the idea a couple of times just before a MP battle before i gave it a go (was mostly worried when i though i'd be facing Janissaries, Cossacks or a Musketeer spam).

Works like a charm now ;)